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23506 No. 23506 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Im completely alone all the time and its killing me. No one to talk to not even online. I live with my parents but i have to move soon. I thought i was stronger than this but i was wrong, being alone feels bad. For some reason i didnt have a problem being alone 10 years algo when i was a 18 yr old neet. But now i look back at all the chances i missed to make friends and its really getting to me. Like i have a big hole in my chest.
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>> No. 23600 [Edit]
>How important is friendship?
That's really up to you to decide.
>> No. 23691 [Edit]
If you ever feel like it or anyone else reading this for that matter, feel free to send me an email. You can write about whatever you want and I'll respond with whatever I want. I'll try to check it once a week.
>> No. 23700 [Edit]
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I often think what I would do differently, if I had the chance to go back in time. Then I remember the times, when I had friends and we hung out in the streets, fooling around or playing games and later drinking beer, breaking stuff or scuffling with each other.

After school everyone went his own way and changed quickly. Few months after graduation I couldn't relate to my once best friends anymore and they had no interest in me either. I went to uni, while they got their job, car, gf and phone and didn't even try to choose a topic, that wouldn't exclude me from conversation.

Nowadays I meet now and then with a former school mate and fellow student back from uni. I got him into anime long ago, so we have that shared hobby, however I don't feel like we are close friends, even though we know each others porn preferences.
In my good days, I have been a quite active guy, getting outside, doing sportsy stuff, adventuring in the woods or exploring urban ruins, but since I lost all my friends, who liked doing such things too, an important part of my social circle has been missing.

How do adults make friends, not acquaintances, colleagues or bedroom prey, but real friends, with whom you can share great experiences, giving you something to talk and laugh about in the future? I might just have to grow up already.

>> No. 23704 [Edit]
Meet people online basically is your answer. People you meet in real life are gonna be too occupied with their jobs and are more often to be the type to have 'grown up' and to somehow find enjoyment or whatever people take in that. You're in prime territory for people who give a crap about all else other than work after all.

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23456 No. 23456 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
How can you be a hikikomori without income? I hear that most don't have jobs so it confuses me. Do you guys just live with your folks or what? I try to be a hikikomori but I still have school and my sister is taking up our room most of the time.. So I don't really understand some of it, I guess.
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>> No. 23561 [Edit]
>see Recovery of an MMO Junky
Despite you didn't actually state it, but since it seems to be a trend here to misappropriate the term... Moriko Morioka is not a hikikomori, but rather a NEET (elito neeto, as she says it). While she has obvious social anxiety due to her seclusion, she doesn't have that much issue with going outside and even enjoys engaging in social interactions in crowded places as shown repeatedly.

That aside, working from home as a hikikomori is very hard because of how few of these types of jobs are. Been looking for such opportunities for years.
>> No. 23562 [Edit]
Good point, very true. I just meant similar in that it's purposefully saving up to drop out of society. This is the route I took.
You are also right about working from home being very hard. I think a good idea is to diversify your income sources as much as possible. I don't personally do it but I hear people can do pretty well from cryptocurrency trading, so that might be worth looking into. You can also resell stuff, there's a guide somewhere about buying things from chinese sites and selling them on ebay for profit, without it ever going to your house. If you have specialist knowledge or skills you could probably turn that into money. Another option is creative stuff, if you build a little fanbase you can set up a patreon or ko-fi and make a little extra there. This could mean music, art, fanart, writing, blogging, reviewing, youtube, streaming etc. If you work hard it's possible even though it takes time and work, I make a little that way. Finally there's things like mturk which are essentially slave wages for a westerner but if you live in the 3rd world that much money can make a difference.
>> No. 23567 [Edit]
>there's things like mturk which are essentially slave wages
Been trying to get into that for years now. Too bad there aren't any decent alternatives.
>> No. 23690 [Edit]
Savings, family support, extreme budgeting and subconsciously/consciously willing it.

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23684 No. 23684 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
What I mean by this is, say you go to a few irc channels/chat rooms or even places like discard or what have you. You get there, and either you are treated like the odd one for being there, or the place is dead or hardly any activity with plenty of people lurking there anyway. I see this shit everywhere, and it pisses me off to no end. What's the point of lurking in a channel and staying there if you only check back every five years to say a few words and fuck off again for another? It's just so lame, I find a place where people are supposed to be talking about something I am interested in as well, so I join and am usually greeted by scarce talk even if I try to start conversation in a normal way. Why are so many places dead pieces of boring shit? Why are so many people such annoyances to try talking with?
>> No. 23687 [Edit]
>or even places like discard
>why are people such massive fags?
It's intrinsic in such platform.
>it pisses me off to no end. What's the point of lurking in a channel and staying there
If you are connected through a desktop client, what difference does it make if you have an extra channel open? It's not like people open IRC just to lurk. That aside, people don't owe you their attention. You're not entitled to being interacted with because you joined a chat room, even if it makes no sense to you.
>Why are so many places dead pieces of boring shit?
A lot of IRC channels, forum communities, etc. are mostly vestiges from years ago, where people who still join or lurk do so out of routine, nostalgia, occasional reminiscence or even off-chance of encountering someone they interacted with in the past. Therefore, the degree of activity is vastly reduced from what it used to be. For discord the issue is different; since as a platform is designed to maximize circlejerking and prioritize identities over topics, people will naturally gravitate to communities that allow them to have their identities grow, or exploit them for attention, making the average lifespan of a channel incredibly short in comparison to IRC, so you're bound to find dozens if not hundred+ channels related to anime that are now either deserted or transformed into a clique's hideout.
>Why are so many people such annoyances to try talking with?
Impossible to answer because the problem could still be you.
>> No. 23689 [Edit]
>That aside, people don't owe you their attention. You're not entitled to being interacted with because you joined a chat room, even if it makes no sense to you.
I see your point here, and now I am realizing that my post came off a bit differently than I intended, which is my fault. No point is good unless it is explained properly. It isn't very often that I visit random channels that I've never been to. I sometimes see one mentioned somewhere and decide to check it out. What I am annoyed by, that I didn't explain very well, is the common trend I see of egotistical bs. As in, people not responding to a simple question or treating one in an otherwise unfriendly manner on purpose. I am taking those things I described and viewing them as that. I understand that there are older communities where people don't talk so much anymore or lurk out of habit or what have you, like you said, but it seems to me that isn't the case with every channel. I don't expect to get social interaction every time I go some place and order people to talk to me or else I flip out and go crazy, it's that it is rare for anyone to even care. For example, if someone joins a channel and asks a simple question related to the community or topic around it, any reasonable person would expect that sooner or later, even after a few days someone would see that and bother to respond (so long as the person who asked is still there and the question isn't stupid). Of course there are places where people legitimately don't look and don't check, for the reasons you mentioned which really I hadn't thought much about, but make some sense. The origin of this is, there are some things I might find one small community for in form of an irc channel, and when I go there and see no active members it seems as if nobody cared about it in the first place. You'd think at least one other person would. As for discord, I realized a while back the platform was crap in more ways than one (namely the identity part as you said, more egotistical bs) and it should be treated that way as anyone reasonable wouldn't be using it as their platform of choice in
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23635 No. 23635 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I just want to talk a bit about this phrase which I am sure some of you have seen tossed around lately. This I think is the most ignorant, moronic, and backwards thing you could ever tell someone, especially if they're feeling frustrated/hurt about something.
It's the sort of insensitive and uncaring thing people who know nothing about the person or what they are feeling will toss around like nothing and I think it can really hurt people and drive them to commit hurtful actions to themselves or maybe others. If you tell this to someone they might just end up deciding they in turn don't owe the world anything and start lashing out, or take it to heart and hurt themselves because of it. But aside from all that, it's a double standard that goes both ways. If you've ever felt wronged by anyone or anything, then by the logic of this statement and what it represents you forfeit any right to complain about said wrong doing or problems. Imagine you just got mugged and and when you ask for help someone says "The world doesn't owe you anything". Failed that test you studied so hard for? well the world doesn't owe you anything. You just got cheated on? Too bad the world doesn't owe you anything. Imagine grieving over the death of a loved one you wish you could see again just to have someone tell you "The world doesn't owe you anything".
I think this is a cruel thing to say in any context and you're a shitty person if you say it to anyone for any reason.
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>> No. 23637 [Edit]
The world doesn't owe you anything. That's true. But if someone has wronged you, the person owes you, not the world itself. If the person who wronged you in some way says that statement to justify their actions, that individual is a fool.
>> No. 23638 [Edit]
I'm the opposite. I use it on myself and it makes me feel less crap. The world takes and takes and it's about all it does. Pretending that it's a just place just gets my hopes up. At the end of the day, all you got is number one, expecting anything else to come through is just a crapshoot.

It's not really tactful, polite or even really correct to use it to cover your own crap, but the statement itself isn't strictly untrue when used in the right context.
>> No. 23639 [Edit]
"The world doesn't owe you anything" sounds like a phrase a baby boomer (who grew up in the wealthiest generation in human history) would tell a millennial who doesn't make much money, after being forced to go into massive debt for college, then do an unpaid internship, then get hired for minimum wage and no benefits. Boomers pretend that the world is just like it was when they were growing up, even though it is in fact vastly different now.
>> No. 23659 [Edit]
The world doesn't owe you anything, not fairness or justice or happiness, as such is the way of the world. If this is true, then it stands to reason that you in turn do not owe the world fair conduct, equal and just exchange, or happiness. To owe, to be owed, and to have a set of rules for the benefit of one party, is something that must go both ways in a relationship between entities, or not at all. If the world and its laws will not regard me, then I shall not regard the desires and needs of the world or its laws. The world can only demand adherence to it's own wishes if it holds up its own end of the bargain, which is, in fact, the promise of just treatment under its care. If it fails to do so, or even refuses to do so, then the contract is voided, and I shall act accordingly with disregard for the world or its laws. You cannot give nothing yet expect to be given something in return.

I owe the world nothing, not observation of its laws nor fair exchange nor just treatment.

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23521 No. 23521 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Here's a crappy attempt at some self help

Name at least one thing you feel is wrong with your life.

Describe how you can fix that thing.

Then explain why you haven't done that thing yet.

And please don't say something like "Being alive, killing myself, I'm a coward". We're looking for real answers here.
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>> No. 23650 [Edit]
Going to college certainly isn't for everyone, and some majors are pretty useless. But many majors lead to pretty straightforward career paths. It's really not as bad as you make it sound, unless someone studies gender studies or art or something. Besides, not all college is university. There's always trade schools, where you can learn welding, HVAC, or something like that.
>> No. 23651 [Edit]
>But what you do need is determination.
What this means, in the case of college, is the ability to deal with four years of BS, that you not only do not get paid for but have to pay for yourself out the ass.

This is true. I hear all the time about people who go to college, complete their degree, and do the exact same jobs they would be doing had they not gone to college in the first place. The only reason anyone should go to college is if they know for sure that whatever they study will let them go into a job that they know exists (and have the money to pay for it/can get financial aid from govt). Really, that's all it is good for. If all you want is to actually learn things, you can very well teach yourself. Going to school, spending the day in classes, then going back home to do work for those classes while having to be around a bunch of retards all day sounds like garbage to me. The only form of post-secondary education that I've seen that seems somewhat worth it are some trade programs at community colleges.

The other question you have to ask yourself is, even if you did go to college and get a degree that is worth something, would you even want to work at that higher paying job that you'd be able to get? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a computer programmer or some sort of highly skilled position, that sounds like a pain in the ass. I'd rather deal with less work and get paid less accordingly. Not like many of us have families to pay for or whatever. It's much easier to live on low wages when you've only got yourself to pay for.

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>> No. 23652 [Edit]
>I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a computer programmer or some sort of highly skilled position, that sounds like a pain in the ass
Programming is pretty much the only thing I enjoy anymore.
>> No. 23655 [Edit]
Funny thing about doing what you love for a living, it turns what you love into a tedious chore.

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22622 No. 22622 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
What keeps you from committing suicide?
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>> No. 23631 [Edit]
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Family and hope that things can get better. I try to think about even the tiniest things to be happy about. Even now, I can find comfort in knowing this chan is still alive.
>> No. 23632 [Edit]
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I do understand that he could have taken a few steps, such as committing suicide in some other place and have the authorities notify his parents to spare them having to behold the gruesome outcome, but in his defense, just as his parents did not wish to see the scene, maybe he neither wished to be born. Maybe he wanted to die in a place that felt like home. It could even have been some form of revenge against his parents. Morals are a flimsy thing at best, he at least left without taking physical revenge on anyone.
>> No. 23633 [Edit]
Even so, he didn't need to livestream it. He blew his head off for an audience of people who didn't need to see that.
>> No. 23634 [Edit]
Isn't watching a live stream voluntary? What logic is that?

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23617 No. 23617 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do you think drinking helps with anxiety and depression, or does it make it worse?

I think it serves a few useful purposes for when you have to interact with people.

Firstly, it calms your nerves. This makes it easier to talk and not be self-conscious.

Secondly, if you say or do something awkward/embarrassing, you can just blame it on the alcohol instead of admitting that you made a mistake.

Lastly, it's useful even if you're the only one drinking, rather than drinking with other people socially. Go to the restroom to open up your hidden flask if you're feeling too nervous.
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>> No. 23626 [Edit]
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This area was extremely hot, but the tour moved to a cooler area afterwards.

There were also other things, like horses and a stable, but I didn't take photos of everything.

Sure, people dis Budweiser and think of it as a bad/cheap national brand. But to me, it's a local beer.

It was weird seeing all of the cars in the parking lot with license plates from different states. People really came here as a tourist destination.

Some people think beer is lame, or some activity for "normal" people, but it can really help if you have psychological issues. It's essentially a form of self-medication for many people. It might not be a permanent solution, but it at least helps people cope in the short term.
>> No. 23627 [Edit]
>Some people think beer is lame, or some activity for "normal" people, but it can really help if you have psychological issues
I think there's a lot of depth to alcohol, in terms of production, taste and variety. It's something I've been interested in learning more about from that perspective, although I completely understand why it has that image as well.
>> No. 23628 [Edit]
I can understand other types of alcohol sure, but beer just tastes like ass, what part of it do people like?
>> No. 23629 [Edit]
Tastes good to me. I didn't like it when I was younger, but I guess my taste buds have changed over time.

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This guy is being publicly humiliated for being mentally ill.

The media is all like: let's ignore societal problems. Let's ignore healthcare issues and mental health. Let's ignore economic issues. Let's just pretend that millennials with financial issues are all lazy.

Regardless of this guy's actual circumstances, it seems that the greater purpose of this particular report is to demonize other millennials who are in bad living situations.
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>> No. 23603 [Edit]
honestly I think the biggest takeaway from this story is that people will eat up any non-issue the news hands to them. This does not deserve to be international news, no matter if you sympathise with the guy or not. It feels like they're trying to distract us from something.
>> No. 23604 [Edit]
He probably browses /tc/.

Well, not anymore I guess.
>> No. 23606 [Edit]
Nah, he has a biological son.
>> No. 23607 [Edit]
A manchild with a child of his own, now that's new.

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23447 No. 23447 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
if sleeping is the only thing you enjoy in life, would you be just as happy dead?
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>> No. 23544 [Edit]
There's this thing call dreaming. It's very popular in some circles.
>> No. 23551 [Edit]
Dreaming = living != dead.
>> No. 23555 [Edit]
> Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams (MILD):
> 1. Set an alarm for five hours after you go to bed.
> 2. When the alarm sounds, try to remember a dream from just before you woke up. If you can’t, just recall any dream you had recently.
> 3. Lie in a comfortable position with the lights off and repeat the phrase: ‘Next time I’m dreaming, I will remember I’m dreaming.’ Do this silently in your mind. You need to put real meaning into the words and focus on your intention to remember.
> 4. Every time you repeat the phrase at step 3, imagine yourself back in the dream you recalled at step 2, and visualise yourself remembering that you are dreaming.
> 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until you either fall asleep or are sure that your intention to remember is set. This should be the last thing in your mind before falling asleep. If you find yourself repeatedly coming back to your intention to remember that you’re dreaming, that’s a good sign it’s firm in your mind.

I've never got this to work but there are many forums with people who swear by it.
>> No. 23556 [Edit]
>you can only experience enjoyment from sleeping while awake
Sleeping is enjoyable while asleep as well. If you have a pleasurable or enjoyable dream, that pleasure and/or enjoyment is experienced while dreaming, not while awake. What you experience while awake is a memory.
It's all fun and games until you get stuck in a waking up loop. Unless you have already mastered resetting and controlling circadian rhythm and managing sleep cycles, I'd stay away from trying lucid dreaming.

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22446 No. 22446 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
How do you ease the pain, Tohno-chan?
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>> No. 23511 [Edit]
Programming and learning about computer science stuff. It's hard at first, but once you can get past a certain point, and you're able to make cool things, it's really enjoyable. It's not easy though.

It helps with painful emotions because it's very complicated and requires your full attention. Helps distract you from negative thoughts.

Debugging can make you feel worse though. When your code sort of does what it should, but with one or two problems, and you can't quite figure out what's wrong. But when you are able to successfully fix an issue, it feels really good.
>> No. 23516 [Edit]
Yeah, that's a good method. Dedicating yourself to something complicated and essentially endless. For the past 2 years I've been studying Japanese. It's very rewarding if you manage to keep at it.
>> No. 23517 [Edit]

For most "normal" people, they just use alcohol and TV and stuff themselves with "comfort food", and that's why the "normal" American family has degenerated since the 50s or so.
>> No. 23549 [Edit]
I can verify that this method works. I tried it with videogames, playing music and weightlifting.

Is this the NEET equivalent of a workaholic neglecting their personal life and "escaping" from their families and other obligations by jerking around at work?

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21342 No. 21342 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do any of you have siblings? What's it's like? For those that don't, did you ever wish you had one?
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>> No. 23496 [Edit]
I have a younger brother. We were inseparable, he used to follow me around incessantly and was very clingy until we were teens, then he gradually got his own life and we naturally grew apart. Nowadays he's some retarded pothead and I hate how he treat my parents like shit so I interact with him as little as I can. I think I hate him.
>> No. 23500 [Edit]
well it's sorta nice to know that i won't be completely and utterly alone when my parents kick it, but they're all kinda selfish assholes
>> No. 23501 [Edit]
I have 7 siblings. I am not in contact with any of them. I deliberately cut off contact with them. They are all ultra-SJW and degenerate. They probably don't miss me though. I hate them and they probably hate me too.
>> No. 23559 [Edit]
I've got three, and they're way younger than me. Oldest sibling is on my mom's side. She grew up happier than I did thanks to mom going through most of her parenting mistakes with me. The other two are on my dad's side, and I've been so distant from him that I have no idea how they're doing. At least they still live with both their parents.

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