>>26164
>Lately I noticed some posters are acting as if being honest about certain feelings and emotions is no longer considered acceptable here.
Maybe. I don't think anybody here is inconsistent in their position on things though. Contradictions, lack of transparency and inconsistency is what gets under my skin most. If the majority of people openly said men need to shut up about their emotions, that would at least be consistent.

Post edited on 18th Nov 2020, 6:07pm

>>26157
I'm late, but shouldn't have been better to share that here? I'm almost intrigued.
I can think of some things that could explain your disappointment. First, a normal with a mental illness is still a normal. With years I have developed this idea that what separates us, or me, from other people, works in a more fundamental level.
Second, people don't care about people. What's important for you means nothing to others, unless there's some particular piece that resonates into someone.
I can't say the feeling is alien to me. That's why I keep things for myself and only share bits of it in places like this. Maybe this can degenerate into narcicism, I don't know.

>>26164
Just curious, what certain feelings and emotions?

>>26167
>shouldn't have been better to share that here?

>I only trusted that site so much because it had some veneer of professionalism and academia.
Plus I went into my lack of empathy, the violent fantasies I had when I was younger and my current life situation. None of which seemed appropriate for tohno-chan. Tohno-chan isn't the place I would go to for advice on pretty much anything except internet stuff.

>>26168
Various sentiments which if posted on some other imageboards would get you dismissed as a "failed normalfag" and such.

>>26170
It's something against the rules?

>>26171
I'm not him but for how broad the criteria has become to be dismissed as a failed normalfag and simply say it's always against the rules just isn't true.

>>26171
No.

>>26172
What does a failed normalfag even constitutes of nowadays?
I may be wrong, but I think many are using it as a synonym for "incel", but I recall very clearly that it used be for someone who was a normalfag already, but couldn't "score one with the girls" or was essentially a social bottom feeder. The failed normalfag IS a ford-driver, but he doesn't have his own ford vehicle, he has to ask his "superiors" for it, and stays on the trunk the entire ride. These are the kinds of normalfags that "ironically" like 4chan culture, often reads 4chan posts on other normal-friendly websites, and has never posted on a imageboard before, rejects any anti-society ideas, and despite not profiting from it is obsessed with the normalfag world, often looking for the next events or something like that.

>>26174
I think I heard it the most in wizardchan.
At the end a failed normalfag was absolutely everyone who posted in an imageboard except some really smart, handsome and perfect individuals who despite their multiple qualities decided to spend all their time not getting laid and hating things. Because of this you could say the only topic in every board and every thread was discussing who was and who wasn't a failed normal. Of curse things like playing videogames, watching anime or fapping to loli (or fapping at all) made you a normalfag, failed or not.

In my book a failed normal was the kind of person that craves for the normalfag life and thinks that things like getting a grillfriend will solve all his problems, living their lifes between the idealization of what they don't have and deep regreet. I suspect it's the kind of thing you have to end growing up in one way or another.

>>26174
I don't like the term failed normalfag becuase it insinuates that either the things normalfags want have value, or someone isn't actually a normalfag. Low rank normalfag would be better.

>>26175
>the kind of person that craves for the normalfag life and thinks that things like getting a grillfriend will solve all his problems
There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting that.

>>26177
I hate stupid, foolish people, so there is something wrong with it. Fucking brainless cattle. I don't come on the to tc to see this type of shit. There's a million other places for it, so why is it so difficult to keep this insipid, mindless garbage that's regurgitated ad-naeuseum somewhere else? How hard it to understand that people cannot and will not measure up to 2d characters? What are they even doing on here? What is the thought process behind it? They can go to some dating site and pursue their idiotic goals. I have to say all this, I can't just ignore it and let it keep going. This needs to be put out there. I have to state this message as clearly and strongly as possible to put it on record.

Post edited on 26th Nov 2020, 6:20pm

>>26177
It is, because the person is craving for something that doesn't really exist. It's bad for the person and it's bad when the person pollutes anywhere he goes with the same kind of thoughts. And I can understand a moment of weakness, we all can have doubts and I'm not really intolerant, but not a perpetual drama that eats someone's life.

>>26180
>It is, because the person is craving for something that doesn't really exist.
I see where you're coming from but that's something I can't agree with. It's a natural desire that is only further conditioned in most people by media and people's expectations. One I might even feel so bold as to say even people with waifus want or enjoy. To love and be loved by a lover and maybe even have faithful friends. An ideal life with ideal peers.
I agree with the rest of what you said, the reality is that most of the time it just doesn't exist and life is not always so glamorous, everyone here knows that. But even so, not everyone lives the kind of life that disillusions them so early in their life instead of experience hammering it into their thick skull only breaking through when they're old. But saying it's wrong to want natural human desires is, in my opinion, somewhat ignorant and doesn't make much sense. Don't assume I'm saying you should let in normalshits though, absolutely not.

>>26181
I never say it was wrong to have those desires, because it's not something you decide, what I meant is you shouldn't abandon yourself to those desires. There's more in life, be normal or not be normal but don't fall for impossible idealizations or reality will crush you in one way or another. I don't think you need any particular experience to reach this conclussion, just to have your eyes open and accept things for what they are.

>>26168
See, this >>26178 >>26180 is what I was talking about.
They're trying to enforce this toxic, obnoxious wizardchan mentality even though it doesn't belong here.

>>26183
What part of 2d > 3d do you not understand? It's not complicated. I've never used wizardchan, but as far as I know, they aren't about 2d or appreciating anything. You can't conflate these things for your own convenience. Tohno-chan is a website that first and foremost focuses on 2d. It's really, really simple, and all anybody has to do it turn on their brain to understand it. I don't care if that's "toxic".

This sentiment isn't new by the way
>>/fb/1416

Post edited on 27th Nov 2020, 12:28pm

>>26012
Really nice story, anonymous. I remember similar things about the "clubs" where the parents drop you with other kids and expect you to have fun (especially after school since my parents always worked late). I always found it really uncomfortable, and I couldn't tell how genuine people were with their closeness.

Why did you go back to your hotel room after drinking? It seems like that wasn't very much alcohol but I suppose if you were young and never drank before it could have been confusing. Normally people drink a lot more than that on New Year's Eve since it's a big celebration, but also it's supposed to make you feel hot and fuzzy, that's what gets people to socialise. Did you at least wait until midnight to go back to your room? They probably thought you are rude if you are leaving before.

>>26185
>Why did you go back to your hotel room after drinking?
It was already after midnight and people were getting ready to move on to the "disco"(what Russian-speakers call a place to dance while listening to music). My mother is a lightweight(so maybe I am too? plus I was and still am 5'7, 120 lbs) and I had never drunk that much before like you said, though I have had a bit of champagne in previous years. My thought process was that I didn't know if I was drunk or how intoxicated I was, but I was more likely to do or say saying embarrassing, so I got quiet and wanted to isolate myself quickly. I also just felt physically uncomfortable and maybe there was some pressure in my head.

>>26186
> "disco"(what Russian-speakers call a place to dance while listening to music).
I thought this was the common (and only) meaning of disco? Even spanish has the word discoteca, so I don't think it's russian only.

>>26187
>(and only) meaning of disco?
I'm not sure about the average American, but to me disco means the dated 70s music genre. I actually remembered it wrong, they call it a "discotec" I think. When I think of a place to dance, night club, ballroom and dance floor come to mind first.

>>26188
>but to me disco means the dated 70s music genre
The genre is presumably named after the type of music that would be played at a disco (at least in that era).

>>26183
You couldn't be more wrong. While wizchan is all about witch hunting and overreacting, and that made me hate the place, I just expressed my thoughts and advice, little else. If you feel like you really need to talk about that stuff or express your desires then you're free to do it if moderation is ok with that, I will never try to impose my beliefs in anyone since I lack what's necessary for that and I'm no one to say what belongs here and what not, at most I will discretely express an slight discomfort.

In highschool, I went on /co/ once out of morbid curiosity. While there, I got into an argument with someone about whether or not the "animesnob" is a good critic. Eventually, it got to the point where I would spend 30 minutes writing a reply and waiting 30 minutes for them to respond. Somehow, this lasted until 6am when I finally went to sleep. I think I got the last word in, but the next day the thread was already gone, so I'm not sure. For some reason, I still deeply regret participating in this. This wasn't a regular thing for me. I never went on /co/ again. Part of me thinks that I wasn't arguing with a person, but a demon whose sole purpose is to waste as much of humans' time as possible.

>>26191
That's a sick degrading behaviour and you should abstain from it in the future. I know that because I have done it in the past. I could get into the most stupid internet arguing for hours, and I never got anything positive from it, just annoyed others and myself. Since years ago I mostly avoid it and the sole thought of having anything outside a friendly conversation in good terms feels more and more nauseating with time.
I would like to say it's because I have matured but it's probably just my brain deciding to stop doing something stupid for once, a really diminished self-steem that makes me unable to stand an strong point on anything and being more appreciative on whatever time I have left. I still remember all that wasted time and energy with regreet and shame though.

>>26191
/co/ and places like it are sick. Shunning anime in favour of mediocre western cartoons is ridiculous.

>>26192
I've had prolonged arguments on the internet since then, but none have been nearly that prolonged or cut into my sleep. What makes it even worse is that I did it in a place I wasn't invested in to begin with.

>>26193
You consider anyone who has different tastes than you to be ridiculous?

>>26195
Generally no. It's that specific case that baffles me.

Lately I've been having fragments of memories of what I was specifically doing at the time I watched an anime I saw years ago. I was thinking about how I was sitting in bed watching the Galaxy Express film late at night even though I had a test in the morning and just not caring about that. That was probably about 8 or 9 years ago now and I guess nothing much has changed since then.

>>26196
What's different in this case? I can't see what's so sick about them having a board dedicated to the stuff they like.

>>26198
It's not that they have a board, it's the attitude that board has and how it spreads. I'm not explaining this well, but mostly my problems with the western cartoon/comic community is that they look down on anime and its fans a lot, and especially otaku culture related things. I suppose I'm perpetuating a cycle by just hating them back but I really do dislike them. This is kind of off topic for this thread though.

>>26199
I think it goes both ways.

Sometimes, when I spend an inordinate amount of time doing something, I can't go to sleep at night because I obsessively think about doing that thing and it's all I can see when I close my eyes. This doesn't happen every time, but sometimes, for whatever reason, my mind gets stuck in a horrible loop. Once I played Pokemon emerald for an entire day, like ten or more hours straight. At night I closed my eyes, but the game was still in front of me, so I spent the whole night tossing and turning while trying to think of something else.

This happened to me yesterday, but with math this time. I had been studying for an exam for three days, seven to nine hours each day. For some reason, it only happened after the exam. All I could see when I closed my eyes was numbers and nonsensical, impossible problems. My mind also made bizarre connections between my body parts, the blanket and math symbols. My left hand was an =, my head a 3x and my right hand a 4pi. I went through eight hours of this shit and I'm afraid.

>>26201
Being stuck in fight-or-flight. Trying to stop those thought loops makes it worse. Divert your attention onto something else.

>>26201
Yeah this happens to me too. With programming, math and games.
Last I remember was fire emblem and when sleeping I was nonsensically trying to get in a more comfortable position in turn based movement. I hate it.

>>26201
>>26206
This also happens to me, especially with math. When I was studying abstract algebra, I would sit in bed thinking about groups, fields, and polynomials for a long time before eventually falling asleep and dreaming of those same things. I think it is sometimes referred to as the Tetris Effect.

>>26201
>I can't go to sleep at night because I obsessively think about doing that thing and it's all I can see when I close my eyes.
I face this issue at well. When I lie in bed I still keep thinking about how to solve something or generally just pondering things. And then when I think of something I feel the need to write it down so I don't forget it, so I have to get up from bed and so it ends uptaking ~3 hours to fall asleep (which I suppose is still somewhat fortunate seeing as it seems it your situation is far worse).

The only thing that really works for me is trying to prevent those types of ponderings by avoiding mentally stimulating work and limiting myself to mindless things. But then I end up getting bored, so it's quite a hellish cycle. Perhaps I should work on trying to learn how to "clear my mind" as you mentioned in (>>36941). But the issue is I genuinely enjoy thinking about things, and sometimes I do indeed have solutions come to me while my mind is drifting as I'm trying to sleep (supposedly a noted phenomenon in hypnagogia. It also does indeed manifest in the "Tetris effect" as >>26210 mentioned).

In high school, there was this policy that students couldn't be upstairs during lunch. They could be wherever they wanted downstairs, but upstairs was off limits. As lunch was about to end, I was standing outside the stairwell among a crowd of people, waiting to go to my next class. Nearly everybody was talking to one or more other people. I was day dreaming.

Out of nowhere, at least in my memory, a kid who wasn't talking to anybody either came up to me and said something kind of embarrassing I can't remember, maybe a joking complaint about the wait or something. I knew he wanted me to respond with something, but I just gave a one word reply and barely looked at him. In my memory at least, he was kind of chubby and baby-faced. He then told me he was a sophomore and asked me what year I was. Senior. I think he was disappointed by that.

I don't remember if he said anything else, but I never saw him again. I never had classes with him or otherwise saw him before this either. Maybe I come across as mean in this story, but I disliked the vibe and connotations of the interaction. I didn't like how he assumed I wanted to talk to somebody or that my feelings were in any way similar to his own. Maybe I felt "preyed upon". I think he was trying to make a friend or something, but the interaction was objectively pointless. Even more so because I was a senior and like two months away from graduating.

What's funny is that I probably remember this better than he does.

>>25323
>she started talking about how Japanese people have a genetic propensity for cruelness
your mom sounds epic

>>26201
>My mind also made bizarre connections between my body parts, the blanket and math symbols. My left hand was an =, my head a 3x and my right hand a 4pi. I went through eight hours of this shit and I'm afraid.
This will happen to me a lot if I do something too much before sleeping. One time I woke up thinking my body was military strategy map trying to plot nukes on itself and figure out which yields would be the most productive for different targets.

It was the first day of health class(don't ask me why we were doing this there) during my senior year. Everybody in a class of thirty people had to stand in one corner of the room depending on their "communication style". The four options were emotional, people who agree with whatever the other person says, "contemplators"(people who don't have an opinion on most things and take a long time to think when asked for theirs') and outspoken(people who just say what they think point blank). Most people and every girl stood in the emotional or agree with the other person corners. A few annoying guys stood in the contemplator corner, all of which I later found out used reddit. And I was the only person who stood in the outspoken corner. I then had to explain, by myself, how great outspoken people are since nobody else was available. I know this sounds really stupid and unbelievable, but it actually happened.

>>26275
Well are you outspoken? If not then that situation is quite ironic (although why would you go to that corner then?)

>>26276
I am. What suprised me was that nobody else in that room identified that way.

Was walking around a park with a friend I had once and a gypsy woman wanted to read my fortune. I thought "Why the hell not?" and gave her a few coins to tell me. She said some generic/broad things, like that I'll have a very good future, but she had also mentioned something about getting me getting married to an American man. Coincidentally, when my mom had visited a fortune teller years ago and asked about me, the fortune teller had also told her I'd get married to an American man.

>>26275
Being outspoken is one of those things that outs you as an assertive person, which is a problem when people are expected to be more docile than ever before. The idea of strongly holding an idea that is your own is high heresy against the church of never failing to consider each and every point of view until you are convinced that yes, you SHOULD give up your own interests and ideals in deference of other people. I am not talking about any one specific example.

>>26298
And yet society idolizes and promotes outspoken people. The "free-thinking" outspoken man is revered in the media as a symbol of the American spirit, and more practically in the workforce it is those outspoken individuals who shamelessly take credit for others that will be given promotions.

>>26298
>>26301
Sometimes I don't know if I'm a weirdo for being unable to hold strong opinions, or I'm a normal for the same reason. It's confusing.

>>26301
>And yet society idolizes and promotes outspoken people.
It's selective with this. The only promoted ones are the people who state the "correct" opinion, the opinion most agree with that is considered the most socially acceptable.
>The "free-thinking" outspoken man is revered in the media as a symbol of the American spirit
This might be true of what some people think but in practice if the free-thinking outspoken man disagrees with the masses, even if his opinion is as American and logical as it gets, he will be absolutely despised. This kind of archetype just makes an interesting character but not always a well-liked person, especially now.
But you probably already know this.