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28564 No. 28564 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
For those that aren't so socially gifted, Do you think you could get along with other members of TC if you met them offline? Or do you think you would have the same problems with each other as you do with anyone else you interact with day to day?
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>> No. 28568 [Edit]
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Alas, my mutuals would tremble in my awesome presence.
It's a lonely path on which I walk.
>> No. 28569 [Edit]
>>28564
No. I think I would see them as the same normal people I interact everyday. The internet kinda makes possible the illusion of talking with similar creatures as yourself (only sometimes, not even that often) but that fantasy would disappear IRL. In the end, if normal people finds you disgusting it's very probable the not-so normal people will find you disgusting too.
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>>28564
I've always been too weird for normal people and too normal for weird people. I think I'd seem too normal if I were to meet people from here, even though we might be in the same predicament in real life.
>> No. 28633 [Edit]
Probably, but I figure there will be an underlying sense of mental illness keeping me from becoming truly close with someone.

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28572 No. 28572 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
the world passed by us heisei otaku and now we are left to rot and wither
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>> No. 28607 [Edit]
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Yeah and my thread gets deleted I've been longer than you dorks but anyways I truly do wish y'all happy winter. Winter is personally my fav time of the year.
testing if 'jak gets deleted even if it's a legitmate post
>> No. 28609 [Edit]
Whoa mod deleted xe/xers post I'm sorry.
Seems tohno-Lad is still keeping this board locked downed whih means no fun allowed
>> No. 28610 [Edit]
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>>28609
>no fun allowed
why are you replying to yourself?
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>>28589
>don't even bother looking at places "discussing" tsukihime for instance
I'm sorry this thread is a bit older, but it was linked in the other thread so I had to reply since I relate so much to this post. I have had the very unfortunate experience of getting into Melty Blood and downloading Tsukihime in 2019, actually playing the VN in 2020, and then due to very rough events I forgot about Tsukihime up until they had announced the remake. By that point, I hadn't finished the VN at all, and the fanbase went from one of the most dead peaceful TN fanbases to probably being second worst next to FGO. I haven't touched the fanbase in years, and it's sad to think that while I was reading it my biggest fear of it becoming twitter bait sadly came true. I mean it is a Type-Moon thing after all, combined with the fact that shitty remakes of games seem to attract the barely 18 discord/reddit/youtube trifecta for some odd reason.

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28571 No. 28571 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I wonder how much of what we are/do/represent/believe etc are truly us instead of us being possessed by a persona
Who am I?
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>> No. 28576 [Edit]
>possessed by a persona
What do you mean by this? How are you defining the split between "us" and the "persona"? But yes you are basically a product of society and circumstance, and the notion of an independent free-willed mind is mostly a myth kept alive by the mind's own desire.
>> No. 28582 [Edit]
>>28576
>How are you defining the split between "us" and the "persona"?
That's what I'm asking.
If people can change their behaviour or their mind, doesn't that mean that is not really them?
Say someone was a nice person, but then he got alzheimers, lost all their memories and turned into a bad one.
Or a musician who lost their arms and can't play anymore
Or an artist who went blind.
What you are or what you do aren't really you, so what are you?
I don't really know.

>>28574
I wasn't really thinking about supernatural, but like you said, language and culture shape how we see the world.

Maybe it's like the "thing in itself" of Kant, as in, you can't really know yourself.
>> No. 28584 [Edit]
>>28582
I thought you meant a ¨persona¨, like a dualistic soul, but I think I get what you're saying now.
>If people can change their behaviour or their mind, doesn't that mean that is not really them?
Yes, I'd even say they can't change their behavior or adopt a persona by themselves. For example, if I decide to start drawing and call myself an artist, it's likely because I saw a nice anime art online. If I think of myself as a musician and learn to play the guitar, it's because I listened to a good song and wanted to play it myself.

The person with Alzheimer's, who used to be kind (by circumstance), isn't so different from me because we both changed due to circumstances, except his were biological and mine were more psychological. Going blind or losing my arms and having to drop those personalities wouldn't be in my control either.
Finding the reasons why me and others do what we do can be interesting.

>What you are or what you do aren't really you, so what are you? I don't really know.
Me neither and I don't think much about it. I'm not really into philosophy or pondering abstract things like this or the illusion of the self for my own sanity. I prefer to watch mugumogu's cat videos, it helps with overthinking because their lives are simple and I'm a living being on this rock just like them. Maybe.
>> No. 28588 [Edit]
>I thought you meant a ¨persona¨, like a dualistic soul, but I think I get what you're saying now.
Yeah I initially thought this as well, but after his clarification I think OPs question is closer to the infamous "nature vs. nurture" debate. While in terms of physical attributes (including mental abilities) genetics probably plays a decent role, I think when it gets to what defines our personality, the effect of society & circumstances you grew up in almost surely dominate. There is likely some base layer shared amongst all humans though, e.g. notions of selfishness, that are conserved instincts from more primitive roots.

You might be interested in looking up terms proximate to "collective unconscious".

Also I'll plug the anime Flip Flappers since the theme at its core is the interaction between perception, psyche, and (our view of) reality, and there's lots of good literature to read about this show.

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28514 No. 28514 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Nobody respects me on a basic human level. Like, I am consistently treated worse than everyone else around me, by everyone else around me.

Like, having a hobby--not even an 'easy target for normalfags' one--belittled within days of someone encountering me.
Or asking about someone's situation, wanting to help them, and getting blown up at.
Or someone literally only talking to me when they want money.
Or going out of my way to be considerate towards others and their space, and being trod on in turn.
This happens consistently and for seemingly no discernable reason other than maybe 'vibes,' but I am not good with social cues and I can think of nothing that would give this off. I do not antagonize people, almost always give the benefit of the doubt, do not express that I hate myself to others, and yet it still persists.

There is really do to change this. 'Standing up for yourself' and 'communicating' only works, paradoxically and ironically, if someone sees you as a person to begin with. If not, 'what are you going to do about it?' Nothing. You have no power. This just leads to me internalizing the enmity and disgust people plainly harbor towards me, which leads to people like my mother getting frustrated with me for 'self-loathing.'

Is anyone else in this situation, or has anyone else been? How do/did you deal with it?
>> No. 28517 [Edit]
>>28514
>Is anyone else in this situation, or has anyone else been?
Most of my life yeah.
>How do/did you deal with it?
First of all I try to care less and reduce human interaction as much as possible. Second, instead of being "nice" I try to appear as serious and cold as possible. It's better to be perceived as creepy since they're gonna detect something's off anyway. Of course all of this not always works so I plan to keep reducing human interaction to something as closer to 100% to achieve complete peace.
>> No. 28518 [Edit]
Vibes are a powerful thing. A lot of normies judge other people almost exclusively based on vibes. But it's not just normies to be honest. Certain subcultures can be pretty elitist and arrogant too.
I guess the best you can do to minimize your attack surface is hide your power level and copy other people's style.
>> No. 28520 [Edit]
If youre neurodivergent, yes, this is par for the course. The only real hard counter I have found to this becoming invaluable in whatever your field of choice may be and a great deal of self-love and self-compassion. Otherwise enjoy being run out of menial jobs or destitution.
>> No. 28680 [Edit]
John 15:18

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28487 No. 28487 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do you ever feel like there's something missing from your life? Something important and key to making it whole? That without it life is pointless and isn't really worth living? Do you even know what it is or how to get it?

I thought I could find it online, but lately the internet feels like such a shallow empty lonely place. Sure there's tons of people on the internet, but most come across like empty husks of humans. I keep trying to reach out to them, all the same, connect on any level, but it never goes anywhere. It's like there's just nothing there with most of them, and it only seems to be getting worse. I can tell within minutes of joining new communities that it won't be a good fit. I'm pretty sure I know what I need, I just can't seem to have it. I've been forced to come to terms with the fact there's nothing out there for me, which in turn makes me wonder why bother going on?
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>> No. 28493 [Edit]
>>28490
>some people really are happy?
Are they? On surveys using the Cantril Ladder method most people report between 5-7 out of 10 [1]. And this is probably inflated because one is more likely to remember extreme emotions; a week of mild unpleasantness might be subjectively weighed equally to a day of enjoyment.

I don't think most people are happy. If they were, then why do they always seek new experiences (the cliché of people traveling). I think it's more accurate to say that most people are always striving to fight off tedium/unhappiness.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_map_of_countries_by_World_Happiness_Report_score_(2023).svg
>> No. 28494 [Edit]
>>28493
I never said most. You know I didn't say most, yet you bring up surveys. Didn't put a question mark after happy either.
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The reigning arrangement of the social system consists of rituals that I am forbidden to partake in, and as I cannot rely on this system I am developing a scientific occult aestheticism in order to replace it. As you can tell from the way I type, this technique requires that I act as a massive chuuni when the circumstances are conveniant. If there were any apocolyptic forces I would also unhesitatingly support these movements, but as it happens the people in their desires are gripped by a potent ontological conservatism. For now, all I can do is attempt to dodge the assimilation attempts until conditions become more favourable.

>>28493
What a useless philosophy. Pessimists try to enforce a feeling of universality among the human herd. They take the discontent of dissenters and try to pretend this discontent is felt by everyone, a notion that can be disproved simply by observing the normalfag's behavorial patterns. They are not the same as us.
>> No. 28496 [Edit]
>>28493
I'm happy, that much i need, some of us simply found our way of life and are happy traveling it, not everyone its this demented social media user that you imagine or the generic pessimistic that you find in sites like tohno.
Instead of bitching about other people you should just genuinely seek your own happiness, the moment i started focusing in my own happiness instead of judging others my life genuinely improved, you should do the same.

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28472 No. 28472 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
what is this place
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>> No. 28482 [Edit]
A digital facsimile of an abode
>> No. 28483 [Edit]
Tohno-chan
>> No. 28497 [Edit]
comfy imageboard
>> No. 28679 [Edit]
Used to be everyone on /r9k/ had an awareness of Wiz and TC

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27492 No. 27492 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Since how many times have you been a NEET? What are you doing right now? What are you planning to do?
It's hot roght now I'm heating. I'm doing nothing but browse there. I don't know what to do next since I have no games to play. I'm fucked all my days look the same: I do nothing but browse the internet
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Been a NEET for 6 years and I don't regret it. I will never work in my whole life and that brings me joy. I'm slowly learning how to be happy with the small things and just take it easy. It's a rough journey and sometimes I wish I had more money, but I know for sure I would just waste it all in mundane and unhealthy stuff. So why should I care? I have a roof, a small but lovely collection of DVDs, manga, videogames and plushies. I don't need more from this Godforsaken Earth. I just need to keep focusing on living as comfortable and careless as possible.
>> No. 28132 [Edit]
>>28131
What you have is what I'm trying to achieve, and I've been wageslaving for the last decade at least. I'm telling you this not for other reason but making the point that yours is actually a great life and never let anyone tell you otherways.
About money... I felt like that a long time ago.
After a few years of wageslaving I just started caring less and less. Now I have more money than I ever had but the only thing that truly makes me feel better about having it is knowing it gets me closer to be free of wageslaving. I don't think any kind of consuming is worth sacrificing such an enormous portion of your life. Obviously I'm in the minority here and I wouldn't express such thoughts to anyone IRL.
>> No. 28467 [Edit]
>>27724
have you found that place? I'm still looking for something like this...
>> No. 28468 [Edit]
Wageslaving just isn't worth it. You're litteraly selling your life away one hour at a time, and for what? Most of my free time is spent just unwinding from work, by the time I can actually get involved in anything it's already time to go to bed and wake up to tomorrows nightmare. It's stressful and feels pointless. I make just over $1000 a month after expenses, but then last week I had $2000 in repairs on the car to get me to work. This life is a bad joke. I miss being a NEET. I used to explore so many hobbies, took up various arts and crafts, saw countless movies/anime and played too many games to name. I learned so much in those years. Now I barely have time for anything. I buy games I can't play and add anime I can't watch to my bucket list. Some would say I have "freedom" from my parents, but being a wage slave isn't freedom, in a lot of ways it's worse.

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28145 No. 28145 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I have this problem with imageboards, I always get banned because of misbehaviour that lead to it. I was permabanned from 4chan and now I'm banned 2 days on wizchan, I can't help my self but make blunders online...it makes me sad. Once I got banned from the three imageboards ,4chan, wizchan and tohnochan. It made me really depressed like I was unwanted. I don't know what to do with image oards. I wish I could male one myself but I don't know how to code so all I do is shitpost without looking for the consequences and then...I get banned! sad
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>> No. 28462 [Edit]
>>28461
>wanna be podcasts with his friends lol
An amusing April 1st joke would be the announcement of a tc podcast, but it's just an hour of static.
>> No. 28463 [Edit]
>>28462
tohno needs to do another room tour tbh
>> No. 28465 [Edit]
>>28463
There's not much to see with my current one, and my last one was a bit meh.
https://twitter.com/Tohno__/status/1699647587127837088
>> No. 28466 [Edit]
stop posting cp then

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28383 No. 28383 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Forgive me if there's a better thread for this, but I'm drunk and I wanted to vent and I was wondering if anyone could kinda relate, or just have any thoughts on my situation, I guess.

Without divulging too much information about myself (both because I'm paranoid of doing so and because no one gives a shit) I'm a NEET closer to 30 than 20, I get disability for schizophrenia and have done since I was 21. Basically, I never worked, and I've been an "otaku" (in quotes because I consider it to be something of a loaded term) since I was around 15. In school I had no friends and did poorly due to being heavily bullied for my awkward demeanour and poor hygiene (neglectful family that did not teach me how to wash my clothes and didn't care if I washed myself, so I never did it) so I'd go home and shut myself in since the next time I would be forced to go out for school. And to top this all off there was a traumatic event that caused me to recluse myself even further, so the perfect combination of aspects to make someone a hikikomori for life. Around this time I found anime and manga, and began posting online a lot more whenever I was able to. My home had no PC, but my grandparents' home did and I could sometimes use the library computers, and I would force myself through the school day looking forward to these moments where I could immerse myself in the new culture I discovered. I graduated with terrible grades (I had favourite subjects but was bullied so relentlessly that I dreaded attending school and my grades suffered as a result) and stayed with my parents. Eventually I started hallucinating and after some hospitalisations I was ultimately diagnosed with schizophrenia.

While receiving disability payments I've lived in a variety of situations but the crucial thing has always been that as long as my rent is taken from my disability payment on time and I don't make a whole lot of noise, I'm left to my own devices. No one really bothers me as I don't say much of anything, I wash my clothes and play loud music only I'm on my own so I'm not causing a disturbance. So I just... lurk. Very rarely post, but I lurk a lot. I play an MMO that is pretty much always open on my second monitor, and spend 5-6 hours a day on anime and manga viewing. I taught myself enough Jap
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>>28383
Are you actually willing to do anything about this situation of yours? Have you tried anything so far? No offense, but it comes off as "...and thats how it is and im gonna have another drink now".
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>>28441
Hello fellow watcher of Yae's anime.
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>>28442
Hello!
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>>28383
I am a schizo too but I work in a stay-home internet job. Maybe you can try that.

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27963 No. 27963 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
People are hard.

When I'm around them, I want to try and give people what they want, to make them happy and be viewed favorably, but it's so mentally exhausting. It's like they're all draining my energy when they're near. It's a never ending game of trying to say and do the right thing, but it's never enough. You can do everything perfectly day in and day out, but one little slip up and it's all over. It's all for nothing anyway. I've spent most of my life without friends(and certainly nothing more than that). The more I'd give the more they'd take. I find myself hurting myself and sacrificing my own happiness for other people all the time, for people who don't notice or don't care. I try to act the way they want me to, talk the way they want, anything to just give them whatever it is they want and ask of me. Maybe that makes me a doormat. It makes me not want to be around people or interact with them.
The other day someone told me I seem very introverted, like a nice friendly guy who talks when talked to but won't start conversations. That just left me thinking about how demanding people are, and how insane the idea of long term relationships with them is. To play their stupid games with someone everyday for years, I'd go insane
One of the reasons I avoid people and want to be (left)alone is because I know I'm just going to get roped into whatever it is they want/need. Worse yet is if they start getting attached, then they'll want even more from me, bigger and worse things, and I'll just do it.
I also have this fear of being a bother, and do lots of things big and small to avoid being an inconvenience to strangers, even hypothetical ones. Like not doing X because someone 'might' have an issue with it later.

I rather just look like an asshole, maybe even act a bit like an asshole, and hope no one talks to me. This has been what's generally worked for me so far. I actually have to try and hold myself back from trying to bend over backwards for people. Instead, I just kick myself endlessly afterwards for not doing more or doing better. Maybe people will take one look at me and think I'm a douchbag, but I think it's better this way. At least that way they'll avoid me. Nothing good comes from
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>>28163
>the more you are willing to help the more the people you are trying to help will think of you as a weakling.
So many posts like these lately bring me despair. Every other person you are kind to will remember your kindness, it's just that like everywhere negative experiences are harder to forget. That's why it's important to not become drawn into this negativity by spreading it. Being nice makes me feel good, and it's my own responsibility to judge if people deserve it or would use me as a doormat, maybe the weakness you talk about is coming from a lack of confidence others smell and not the helping in itself.
I mean everyone can be an asshole if they really want to, but everyone can also be nice too wich takes more effort. Seeing these being nice is weak posts is only encouraging people to become even greater assholes in my opinion.
>> No. 28433 [Edit]
>Every other person you are kind to will remember your kindness
Realistically, no they won't. Negative memories are stronger, and people are more likely to remember an asshole than a kind person. Maybe if it's some once-in-a-lifetime event then sure they'll remember it, but the day-to-day average kindness is easily forgotten. But on the flipside such once-in-a-lifetime kindness usually require non-trivial effort on your part anyhow, and are a much stronger gamble.

So that's not to say you should be an asshole, but at the same time there's no point going out of your way to be kind. If you will there's some sort of effort/kindness landscape, and the sweet-spot is somewhere in the middle, where the ideal is to be kind so long as it doesn't require too much effort on your part.
>> No. 28436 [Edit]
>>28433
>Realistically, no they won't.
Well we can only guess, I at least do remember a few strangers from even 20 years ago who did something selfless for me, more than stuff I did to others that I perceived as being nice actually.

>Negative memories are stronger, and people are more likely to remember an asshole than a kind person.
That was the point I also tried to make, I sure remember more dicks from my past than nice people. The question is why would someone prefer putting others down instead, if they're aware of the fact that those memories will last longer. Because they don't give a hoot about others and it's easiest for them, and that's the last thing I want to take as life advice.
Either way I think you're more talking about a stoic approach in general, which can seem arrogant but kind of neutral and definitely fine.

>So that's not to say you should be an asshole, but at the same time there's no point going out of your way to be kind
I think the problem is people don't realize that they're being dicks, because that is their go to and nobody bothered to teach an asshole, so maybe the nice thing would be to point out their behaviour. You shouldn't bend backwards for someone, but if you don't care about your surroundings and about how you're perceived at all then you at least shouldn't be rewarded for being unkind and selfish.
>> No. 28438 [Edit]
>>28436
I think what also matters is the mental state a person has. Somebody who has got the short end of the stick for a long time will appreciate it way more if they suddenly get some help, even when it is just a small deed.

> That was the point I also tried to make, I sure remember more dicks from my past than nice people. The question is why would someone prefer putting others down instead, if they're aware of the fact that those memories will last longer.
The same applies here, in my opinion. Every little thing could possibly push somebody over the edge. Besides this who knows when you encounter somebody once more? I had it happen so me and was quite surprised to see what was remembered. I would rather be nice and bland, than mean and memorable.

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28142 No. 28142 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Is there anything in particular you have difficulty in life with?
These days, I find that I have no ability to get help. To put it simply, in most cases I'd rather die than admit failure.
I've never really had anyone to rely on or anyone to talk about my issues with, so it's a matter of forcing success or being fucked for me.
How do you deal with it? My natural instinct is to try and do things faster and harder, but it's starting to leave injuries I can't ignore.
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>>28365
>There's probably other less obvious ways in which you're really smart and capable
I appreciate this. I think I understand that you are objectively correct, it just gets difficult to acknowledge that in the moment. Especially given the fact I already overthink just about every interaction that I have, both positive and negative.
>> No. 28382 [Edit]
>>28364
Reading this reminded me of my problem. I'm not saying this might be your case, just that I can relate to your experience.
I have auditory processing disorder comorbid with some sensitivity to sound. In spite of my good hearing (ie.: listening to subtle noises when it's quiet, that other people don't pick up) I have trouble interpreting the information received. In addition, loud noises can cause pain and discomfort. My APD is enunciated in noisy environments, where I swear I can't understand a word of what people are saying unless they are right next to me and speaking very clearly. It also affects my academic and professional life, albeit subtly. Things make perfect sense to me and I'm able to quickly grasp new information when reading it. When listening however, it feels like I'm "slow".
A striking example is with math. I used to lose my self halfway when teachers talked through exercises without writing them down, but otherwise could figure out the processes and intuition at a normal pace when shown a written example or hint.
My sensitivity to loud noises isn't particularly impairing, but I do find my self complaining about noise when other people don't (ie.: waves at the beach/coast) and would explain my distaste for certain types of places and events. I guess this would subsequently explain why I've always been withdrawn and grew to enjoy solitude as an adult.
>> No. 28396 [Edit]
Avoidance. Whether it be interacting with others, or tackling a difficult problem, my natural instinct is to hide or make myself small because of an irrational and obsessive general fear. Worse yet, I have practiced this behavior for well over 20 years - since I was a little kid. This has led to a life of reclusion and isolation. I cannot help but run away.
>> No. 28399 [Edit]
Trusting people.
I want to believe in people, and to assume they mean well, and maybe they do to eachother but not to me. Maybe I'm seeing what I want to see, but it feels like people fuck me over and treat me like garbage all the time with little to no consideration for my thoughts and feelings. If and when I'm shown even the slightest amount of kindness, I assume there's hidden motive, like a used car salesmen buttering up an idiot.
Really it's probably a self fulfilling prophecy. I assume people will either hate me or make life hard for me, so I act in a way that repels them and makes me unapproachable, but that in itself could easily be the cause of why people treat me the way they do.

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