>possessed by a persona
What do you mean by this? How are you defining the split between "us" and the "persona"? But yes you are basically a product of society and circumstance, and the notion of an independent free-willed mind is mostly a myth kept alive by the mind's own desire.

>>28576
>How are you defining the split between "us" and the "persona"?
That's what I'm asking.
If people can change their behaviour or their mind, doesn't that mean that is not really them?
Say someone was a nice person, but then he got alzheimers, lost all their memories and turned into a bad one.
Or a musician who lost their arms and can't play anymore
Or an artist who went blind.
What you are or what you do aren't really you, so what are you?
I don't really know.

>>28574
I wasn't really thinking about supernatural, but like you said, language and culture shape how we see the world.

Maybe it's like the "thing in itself" of Kant, as in, you can't really know yourself.

>>28582
I thought you meant a ¨persona¨, like a dualistic soul, but I think I get what you're saying now.
>If people can change their behaviour or their mind, doesn't that mean that is not really them?
Yes, I'd even say they can't change their behavior or adopt a persona by themselves. For example, if I decide to start drawing and call myself an artist, it's likely because I saw a nice anime art online. If I think of myself as a musician and learn to play the guitar, it's because I listened to a good song and wanted to play it myself.

The person with Alzheimer's, who used to be kind (by circumstance), isn't so different from me because we both changed due to circumstances, except his were biological and mine were more psychological. Going blind or losing my arms and having to drop those personalities wouldn't be in my control either.
Finding the reasons why me and others do what we do can be interesting.

>What you are or what you do aren't really you, so what are you? I don't really know.
Me neither and I don't think much about it. I'm not really into philosophy or pondering abstract things like this or the illusion of the self for my own sanity. I prefer to watch mugumogu's cat videos, it helps with overthinking because their lives are simple and I'm a living being on this rock just like them. Maybe.

>I thought you meant a ¨persona¨, like a dualistic soul, but I think I get what you're saying now.
Yeah I initially thought this as well, but after his clarification I think OPs question is closer to the infamous "nature vs. nurture" debate. While in terms of physical attributes (including mental abilities) genetics probably plays a decent role, I think when it gets to what defines our personality, the effect of society & circumstances you grew up in almost surely dominate. There is likely some base layer shared amongst all humans though, e.g. notions of selfishness, that are conserved instincts from more primitive roots.

You might be interested in looking up terms proximate to "collective unconscious".

Also I'll plug the anime Flip Flappers since the theme at its core is the interaction between perception, psyche, and (our view of) reality, and there's lots of good literature to read about this show.

>>28514
>Is anyone else in this situation, or has anyone else been?
Most of my life yeah.
>How do/did you deal with it?
First of all I try to care less and reduce human interaction as much as possible. Second, instead of being "nice" I try to appear as serious and cold as possible. It's better to be perceived as creepy since they're gonna detect something's off anyway. Of course all of this not always works so I plan to keep reducing human interaction to something as closer to 100% to achieve complete peace.

Vibes are a powerful thing. A lot of normies judge other people almost exclusively based on vibes. But it's not just normies to be honest. Certain subcultures can be pretty elitist and arrogant too.
I guess the best you can do to minimize your attack surface is hide your power level and copy other people's style.

If youre neurodivergent, yes, this is par for the course. The only real hard counter I have found to this becoming invaluable in whatever your field of choice may be and a great deal of self-love and self-compassion. Otherwise enjoy being run out of menial jobs or destitution.

John 15:18

>>28490
>some people really are happy?
Are they? On surveys using the Cantril Ladder method most people report between 5-7 out of 10 [1]. And this is probably inflated because one is more likely to remember extreme emotions; a week of mild unpleasantness might be subjectively weighed equally to a day of enjoyment.

I don't think most people are happy. If they were, then why do they always seek new experiences (the cliché of people traveling). I think it's more accurate to say that most people are always striving to fight off tedium/unhappiness.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_map_of_countries_by_World_Happiness_Report_score_(2023).svg

>>28493
I never said most. You know I didn't say most, yet you bring up surveys. Didn't put a question mark after happy either.

The reigning arrangement of the social system consists of rituals that I am forbidden to partake in, and as I cannot rely on this system I am developing a scientific occult aestheticism in order to replace it. As you can tell from the way I type, this technique requires that I act as a massive chuuni when the circumstances are conveniant. If there were any apocolyptic forces I would also unhesitatingly support these movements, but as it happens the people in their desires are gripped by a potent ontological conservatism. For now, all I can do is attempt to dodge the assimilation attempts until conditions become more favourable.

>>28493
What a useless philosophy. Pessimists try to enforce a feeling of universality among the human herd. They take the discontent of dissenters and try to pretend this discontent is felt by everyone, a notion that can be disproved simply by observing the normalfag's behavorial patterns. They are not the same as us.

>>28493
I'm happy, that much i need, some of us simply found our way of life and are happy traveling it, not everyone its this demented social media user that you imagine or the generic pessimistic that you find in sites like tohno.
Instead of bitching about other people you should just genuinely seek your own happiness, the moment i started focusing in my own happiness instead of judging others my life genuinely improved, you should do the same.

A digital facsimile of an abode

Tohno-chan

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Used to be everyone on /r9k/ had an awareness of Wiz and TC

Been a NEET for 6 years and I don't regret it. I will never work in my whole life and that brings me joy. I'm slowly learning how to be happy with the small things and just take it easy. It's a rough journey and sometimes I wish I had more money, but I know for sure I would just waste it all in mundane and unhealthy stuff. So why should I care? I have a roof, a small but lovely collection of DVDs, manga, videogames and plushies. I don't need more from this Godforsaken Earth. I just need to keep focusing on living as comfortable and careless as possible.

>>28131
What you have is what I'm trying to achieve, and I've been wageslaving for the last decade at least. I'm telling you this not for other reason but making the point that yours is actually a great life and never let anyone tell you otherways.
About money... I felt like that a long time ago.
After a few years of wageslaving I just started caring less and less. Now I have more money than I ever had but the only thing that truly makes me feel better about having it is knowing it gets me closer to be free of wageslaving. I don't think any kind of consuming is worth sacrificing such an enormous portion of your life. Obviously I'm in the minority here and I wouldn't express such thoughts to anyone IRL.

>>27724
have you found that place? I'm still looking for something like this...

Wageslaving just isn't worth it. You're litteraly selling your life away one hour at a time, and for what? Most of my free time is spent just unwinding from work, by the time I can actually get involved in anything it's already time to go to bed and wake up to tomorrows nightmare. It's stressful and feels pointless. I make just over $1000 a month after expenses, but then last week I had $2000 in repairs on the car to get me to work. This life is a bad joke. I miss being a NEET. I used to explore so many hobbies, took up various arts and crafts, saw countless movies/anime and played too many games to name. I learned so much in those years. Now I barely have time for anything. I buy games I can't play and add anime I can't watch to my bucket list. Some would say I have "freedom" from my parents, but being a wage slave isn't freedom, in a lot of ways it's worse.

>>28461
>wanna be podcasts with his friends lol
An amusing April 1st joke would be the announcement of a tc podcast, but it's just an hour of static.

>>28462
tohno needs to do another room tour tbh

>>28463
There's not much to see with my current one, and my last one was a bit meh.
https://twitter.com/Tohno__/status/1699647587127837088

stop posting cp then

>>28383
Are you actually willing to do anything about this situation of yours? Have you tried anything so far? No offense, but it comes off as "...and thats how it is and im gonna have another drink now".

>>28441
Hello fellow watcher of Yae's anime.

>>28442
Hello!

>>28383
I am a schizo too but I work in a stay-home internet job. Maybe you can try that.

>>28163
>the more you are willing to help the more the people you are trying to help will think of you as a weakling.
So many posts like these lately bring me despair. Every other person you are kind to will remember your kindness, it's just that like everywhere negative experiences are harder to forget. That's why it's important to not become drawn into this negativity by spreading it. Being nice makes me feel good, and it's my own responsibility to judge if people deserve it or would use me as a doormat, maybe the weakness you talk about is coming from a lack of confidence others smell and not the helping in itself.
I mean everyone can be an asshole if they really want to, but everyone can also be nice too wich takes more effort. Seeing these being nice is weak posts is only encouraging people to become even greater assholes in my opinion.

>Every other person you are kind to will remember your kindness
Realistically, no they won't. Negative memories are stronger, and people are more likely to remember an asshole than a kind person. Maybe if it's some once-in-a-lifetime event then sure they'll remember it, but the day-to-day average kindness is easily forgotten. But on the flipside such once-in-a-lifetime kindness usually require non-trivial effort on your part anyhow, and are a much stronger gamble.

So that's not to say you should be an asshole, but at the same time there's no point going out of your way to be kind. If you will there's some sort of effort/kindness landscape, and the sweet-spot is somewhere in the middle, where the ideal is to be kind so long as it doesn't require too much effort on your part.

>>28433
>Realistically, no they won't.
Well we can only guess, I at least do remember a few strangers from even 20 years ago who did something selfless for me, more than stuff I did to others that I perceived as being nice actually.

>Negative memories are stronger, and people are more likely to remember an asshole than a kind person.
That was the point I also tried to make, I sure remember more dicks from my past than nice people. The question is why would someone prefer putting others down instead, if they're aware of the fact that those memories will last longer. Because they don't give a hoot about others and it's easiest for them, and that's the last thing I want to take as life advice.
Either way I think you're more talking about a stoic approach in general, which can seem arrogant but kind of neutral and definitely fine.

>So that's not to say you should be an asshole, but at the same time there's no point going out of your way to be kind
I think the problem is people don't realize that they're being dicks, because that is their go to and nobody bothered to teach an asshole, so maybe the nice thing would be to point out their behaviour. You shouldn't bend backwards for someone, but if you don't care about your surroundings and about how you're perceived at all then you at least shouldn't be rewarded for being unkind and selfish.

>>28436
I think what also matters is the mental state a person has. Somebody who has got the short end of the stick for a long time will appreciate it way more if they suddenly get some help, even when it is just a small deed.

> That was the point I also tried to make, I sure remember more dicks from my past than nice people. The question is why would someone prefer putting others down instead, if they're aware of the fact that those memories will last longer.
The same applies here, in my opinion. Every little thing could possibly push somebody over the edge. Besides this who knows when you encounter somebody once more? I had it happen so me and was quite surprised to see what was remembered. I would rather be nice and bland, than mean and memorable.

>>28365
>There's probably other less obvious ways in which you're really smart and capable
I appreciate this. I think I understand that you are objectively correct, it just gets difficult to acknowledge that in the moment. Especially given the fact I already overthink just about every interaction that I have, both positive and negative.

>>28364
Reading this reminded me of my problem. I'm not saying this might be your case, just that I can relate to your experience.
I have auditory processing disorder comorbid with some sensitivity to sound. In spite of my good hearing (ie.: listening to subtle noises when it's quiet, that other people don't pick up) I have trouble interpreting the information received. In addition, loud noises can cause pain and discomfort. My APD is enunciated in noisy environments, where I swear I can't understand a word of what people are saying unless they are right next to me and speaking very clearly. It also affects my academic and professional life, albeit subtly. Things make perfect sense to me and I'm able to quickly grasp new information when reading it. When listening however, it feels like I'm "slow".
A striking example is with math. I used to lose my self halfway when teachers talked through exercises without writing them down, but otherwise could figure out the processes and intuition at a normal pace when shown a written example or hint.
My sensitivity to loud noises isn't particularly impairing, but I do find my self complaining about noise when other people don't (ie.: waves at the beach/coast) and would explain my distaste for certain types of places and events. I guess this would subsequently explain why I've always been withdrawn and grew to enjoy solitude as an adult.

Avoidance. Whether it be interacting with others, or tackling a difficult problem, my natural instinct is to hide or make myself small because of an irrational and obsessive general fear. Worse yet, I have practiced this behavior for well over 20 years - since I was a little kid. This has led to a life of reclusion and isolation. I cannot help but run away.

Trusting people.
I want to believe in people, and to assume they mean well, and maybe they do to eachother but not to me. Maybe I'm seeing what I want to see, but it feels like people fuck me over and treat me like garbage all the time with little to no consideration for my thoughts and feelings. If and when I'm shown even the slightest amount of kindness, I assume there's hidden motive, like a used car salesmen buttering up an idiot.
Really it's probably a self fulfilling prophecy. I assume people will either hate me or make life hard for me, so I act in a way that repels them and makes me unapproachable, but that in itself could easily be the cause of why people treat me the way they do.

>My sentiments are more sadness and hate
That sounds like loneliness with a different cover of paint.

>>28356
I imagine if I felt lonely I would feel a longing for the company of others (I don't). But what I feel is more along the lines of sadness over community or a lack thereof in a more abstract sense

I'm just waiting my parents die so I can kill myself without any worry.

I live for creating. Writing, Drawing, Animating, Coding, I can't do all those things if I am dead. I also promised my waifu that I wouldn't want myself dead or kill myself, so I owe it to her too to keep on living.

My only problem is what happens when I've created everything I want to make. That scares me.

>>28350
If you have a lot of ambitious ideas, I can almost guarantee you that wont happen.

>>28351
Which I do. I can easily see myself gong on what I have now until at least 2030. I just know that the life I am living isn't always going to be like this, and that there is no winning solution on what to do after. The bleak uncertainty of the future is terrifying, the present depressing, and I wish I could live permanently in the past and just always go back again after reaching modern day.