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37622 No. 37622 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I feel like getting into card games since they're new to me and can have pretty pictures on them. I've said negative things about yugioh before(mostly the business side of it) without ever playing it, but for the last three days I've got into it using an unofficial online client(money not required).

I did the bare minimum research and made a deck by randomly selecting cards based on the picture mostly and in the recommended numbers of each kind. For obvious reasons I immediately gravitated towards traptrix monsters, bug and plant lolis. After playing with a computer, reading a bit and refining my deck into something usable, I became competent enough beat an actual person and have an opinion on the gameplay.

At its core, yugioh is a game of luck. You start the game with 5 random cards from your deck and each turn draw one random card from it. The main strategy of the game boils down to making it less luck based. Having multiple copies of the same card(up to 3), having a smaller deck, using card effects to select specific cards from anywhere in your deck. In the end though, you and your opponent either start with and draw something better or worse. Who goes first is also based on luck and being first is mostly an advantage. The game only has a very limited form of resource management where you can only "normal" summon one monster per turn(from your hand to the field) and normal summoning something with higher stats requires sacrificing one or two monsters that are already on the field. Most of the time though, people use card effects to circumvent these requirements.

Most cards you'd want to use aren't general purpose. They only apply to specific types of card. There's thousands of yugioh cards, but most fit into archetypes/series or have some effect which only applies to an archetype or even a specific monster. You can't pick random cards and have something usable, disappointingly as somebody who only wants to use monster cards with cute girls in them. Traptrix fortunately also has a gameplay style I like and meshes well with a few outside cards that also look okay. One consequence is that cards have become increasingly verbose over the years, since there's only so many simple cards that could exist and konami needs to release new cards to get people to keep buying.
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Plus I think collecting the cards is part of the fun of the hobby in itself.
>> No. 37637 [Edit]
It's single player and not deeply strategic, but I'll still mention monster monpiece, lest it be forgotten.
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Most (adult)yugioh players would give the advice that you should buy single cards from 3rd parties when making a deck. This can still be expensive, but removes the luck of buying booster packs. You have a point about the meta, but I think people online are less invested in each game and therefore more willing to try other stuff out because otherwise it gets boring.

One good thing about yugioh is that there's so many options, no singular deck could ever be made that's definitively "the best" and certain worse decks can counter better ones.
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Looks like fun. Thanks for the suggestion.

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37399 No. 37399 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
tohno is on google!
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Now do it again with safe search off this time!
>> No. 37404 [Edit]
Interesting results...
>> No. 37407 [Edit]
Well that's it. Nuke the site from orbit.

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32371 No. 32371 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I miss the days when fan subs were still a real thing.
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Since horriblesubs is kill now, we might see a reemergence in fansubbing.
>> No. 36300 [Edit]
Other people are doing their work better than they did. Don't bet on it.
>> No. 37370 [Edit]
Commie can be hit or miss. When they stick to just typesetting the original CR script their stuff is fine. When they try to get clever with their localized translations, they're utter garbage.

I bring this up because I recently found out that there are "uncommied" versions of some shows (yuyushiki and aiura are the two I found about) which preserve commie's typesetting but have the original CR script. I was intrigued enough to do a line-by-line diff to find out how bad the commie version was, but surprisingly for these two shows in particular it wasn't too bad. Generally for both commie removed the honorifics -san/-chan and added "Mrs." for okaasan-sensei (I'm not sure why they used "mrs." since that implies she's married, when that's not likely to be the case in the show).

For Yuyushiki in particular, I noted the following changes between the original CR script (equivalent to the uncommied version modulo typesetting):
Slightly better phrasing on some English (technically less of a literal translation but I doubt even pedantics would mind the below):

"The cost would end up pretty high." -> "It'd be pretty expensive."
"If you were going to die the next day, what would you eat on your last day?" -> "If you were going to die tomorrow, what would you eat as your last meal?"
" Yui is the most shining of all of us." -> "Yui shines the most out of us three."

and eliding repetition of the object in favor of using a pronoun when the antecedent is clear (which I don't mind since it matches the jp and improves conciseness)

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>> No. 37371 [Edit]
The asian anime licensors (Muse, AniOne) manage to release better quality English translations than Aniplex/Funi. It's simply astounding that those (relatively) smaller companies who are probably paying a pittance to translators for whom English isn't even a first language can pump out better subtitles than the American conglomerate can. And Muse even releases their licensed shows for free on youtube while the others have the gall to charge money for their garbage.

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33889 No. 33889 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
How did you get into otaku interests to begin with and how do you think it's affected your life, personality and outlook? What do you think your life would be like if you never became interested in otaku media?

Besides whatever dubbed, public access shounen I consumed, Lucky Star was the first anime I watched. Watching these characters behaving in such an alien way compared to what I was used to gradually opened my mind up beyond the example real people around me set. I imitated slice of life characters a bit by being more polite and gracious than I would have been otherwise. I slowly became very reserved and quiet. At one point, I was a very loud motomouth.

Over the years, I started rejecting societal norms around me and became more and more alienated with real people. I became desensitized to taboo topics and developed "deviant" tastes. I'm still being influenced like this.

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>I'm genuinely curious as to what media you were consuming before finding anime to have that impression.
Not him either but the drugery of fiction that we were forced to read all throughout middle and high-school killed any interest in pursuing reading as an independent hobby. It was always the most boring books with themes I couldn't care less about – Scarlet Letter, Beloved, etc. not to mention the insanity of reading Shakespeare's plays (that's like reading a movie script and expecting it to be any fun; not to mention that some of the puns get lost as a result of vowel-shifts). Even supposed "classics" like Great Gatsby or To Kill a Mockingbird were boring and predictable.

Maybe I'm just not the kind of person who's good at visualizing because for me reading things lacks the visual emotions that can be wrought from watching an anime. The only two books that I can remember sort of enjoying were The Stranger and East of Eden. I might have liked other stuff from Camus as well (and I've heard Dostoevsky's works are also similar in this vein) but at this point I've mostly given up on fiction entirely – reading something like Hōjōki or the biography of Yukichi Fukuzawa has been much more captivating and insightful than I ever remember reading fiction to be.

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>> No. 37338 [Edit]
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>Great Gatsby or To Kill a Mockingbird
Yeah, both of those sucked. In my school we also had to read The Giver, Odyssey and Farenheit 451, which I really enjoyed. We were only assigned excerpts from the Odyssey, but I went ahead and read the whole thing. The ending when he takes off his old man disguise off, brutally slaughters the suitors and then has all the female servants who slept with them hanged was awesome. That part wasn't assigned, but I made sure to tell everybody in the class about it.

It's funny how much lipservice is constantly given about how getting kids to read more is important(or at least people used to say that), but they blatantly ignore the parts about books which would actually be attractive to young people.
>> No. 37345 [Edit]
I read quite a lot of literature growing up, actually reading was pretty much all I ever did before I was in highschool. I can't say I ever read anything that really dug into a few specific themes I really found interesting in anime, maybe Childhoods End. Now there's a certain kind of style western literature uses in an attempt to approach philosophy, and maybe my patience is just too low, maybe the way japanese movies and stories use exposition is more to my liking, but I find that it tries to be TOO serious and takes the setting and characters so seriously that it almost has trouble actually daring to make any real point. Anime has its fair share of shitheaps, and there are no end to the amount of cliches based around being the typical good japanese citizen. But I have never seen a western piece of fiction approach the real world phenomenon of being a hikki NEET. Sure there's stuff that deals with depressing isolation, like jack london, but NHK actually shows a real hikki and to some people that would probably have been their first and only exposure to the concept in its proper form. There's tons and tons of western mdeia, too, that lauds and talks about individuality, but even the most esoteric of stories sort of dance around the concept of the seperation of peoples thoughts in the very real world and depressing fact that you will ultimately only ever know yourself, and that you can never completely connect with another person. Do writers get close? Yeah, they do, but japanese media has a way of just getting right to the point and depicting the problem as an actual element of its setting in no unclear terms. I guess to me, it feels like japanese media actually adapts western and eastern philosophy of the ego to a fictional medium, whereas western fiction tends to only skirt around it and occasionally reference it. Obviously I'm referring to a certain subgenre of anime but even really fucking dumb anime will sometimes touch on philosophical themes in a more substantial way that any popular movie or even book. I think actually seeing philosophy applied to a scenario and ran through as a simulated test of its validity is pretty important. There's something about the way jap
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>There's tons and tons of western mdeia, too, that lauds and talks about individuality, but even the most esoteric of stories sort of dance around the concept of the seperation of peoples thoughts in the very real world and depressing fact that you will ultimately only ever know yourself, and that you can never completely connect with another person.
I think American Psycho did a good job at this.
"It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, Elizabeth, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album." - Patrick Bateman.

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29096 No. 29096 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Who would win?
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I thought about mention them but they are so weird looking and different even compared to EVA's, while they share the heavy stylization.
Model kits are probably the most beautiful I've ever seen but also heard they are hell to build.
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They seem tough, yeah. Do they still make them?
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I think this was from 2010 or so, don't know if there's more newer ones but probably.
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But Evangelion *IS* Godzilla now.
Or will be in January 2021.

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37024 No. 37024 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
All the kind of stuff from the internet 10 or more years ago seems to be treated as cringe now. If not outright shunned. The idea of saying whatever you want in a game chat is seen as an outdated and backwards desire, any sexual joking about highschool aged fictional characters garners a strong and angry response, not from old people but from 18-25 year olds strangely enough. People who actually livestream as themselves and not a carefully edited character are not just "cringe" but hated and even vilified with elaborate narratives created around them, it would seem the very concept of the internet as a place to find anything and say or read anything is cringe, dated, problematic these days. The idea that a game might actually release all its content as a $60 dollar package and then anything extra as completed expansion packs is a ridiculous thing to say now. I don't remember people being like this when I was in highschool, they weren't this touchy and they weren't so accepting of greedy business practices. There's a general feeling here that I'm trying to figure out and it's not just nostalgia, it's like the internet was re-written and re-imagined under my nose and the way people act on it is so different. Did anyone question or care if haruhi was too sexy for a highschooler? I'm not just whining about being censored, there's something else too, the whole chaotic and naively raw internet of the 2000s to early 2010 is unwanted even by kids, teenagers, and college aged people. What exactly happened here?
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>> No. 37050 [Edit]
There's another thing about online social norms that bugs me that centers around the sensitivity you mentioned. Back in the day it felt like I could come on the internet and speak unfiltered without fear of getting shouted down over some petty social rule or ruffling some insecure normie's feathers. That isn't the case anymore. People don't seem to want actual conversation. They want to sit around and pull levers to get a neurochemical fix. That sort of behavior has always existed online but it seems to have gotten a lot worse over time. Like others have said I think it comes down to demographics.

Outside of shitposting banter you used to be able to find people to converse with pretty easily and they actually had varied opinions. These days you say one word that isn't in alignment with whatever the hivemind agrees on and they'll start losing it. It'd be one thing if they explained why they think your viewpoint is misguided, or gave you a bit of shit for having one point of disagreement but that's not what happens. They just throw your entire post in the garbage and focus solely on the part that makes them uncomfortable. The behavior differs depending on what site it happens on but the core theme remains the same: an emotionally charged temper tantrum because they didn't get their worldview validated 100%.

If you're basically normal and fit in with mainstream culture you don't face a lot of criticism. It seems like normals learn to dismiss others ruthlessly as a means of protecting their psychology. Taking the time to weigh what someone's experiences has been is a lot of work and neurotic behavior people only learn through being in a hostile social environment for a prolonged period of time... It seems like with the normie invasion you see a lot of people who would be more considerate learn to quickly dismiss others. Unless a space is explicitly abnormal to start with it'll become normal infested over time. It's one way to stop social gentrification but it comes at the cost of creating a real race to the bottom mentality in a lot of communities.

It feels like the internet of seasons past was a magical place. A fluke that's now being corrected. I've changed some but it feels like the world around me has changed a lot more.
>> No. 37051 [Edit]
Kiwifarms is actually exactly the kind of retards I can't stand. A lot of the stuff they build up "lolcow" resumes over is the kind of whining about creepy or cringey stuff that was taken in stride on the internet before. They're the furthest cry from the wild west of the internet as you can get and, in large part, I genuinely think that tumblr providing a large "alt" platform for women on the internet outside of facebook was responsible for the spread of this kind of shit. Kiwifarms and tumblr used to be closely linked i believe.
>> No. 37052 [Edit]
>So did social norms change in general, or did internet demographics just change?
The internet's social norms were subsumed by real life's norms like a ball bearing getting pulled in by an electromagnet. This was due to changing demographics, specifically that the newest crop of people coming online were ones who from early childhood were using the internet to talk to people they knew in real life. No previous generation did that.
>On the internet, or in real life too?
>> No. 37053 [Edit]
>Who is the imaginary authority in your head... offline authority... or the collective wisdom... the anticipation of their emotional reaction
On the surface this seems like a false dichotomy. Even when adhering to grammatical rules, I think good writing should still be done with the audience's "emotional reaction" in mind. Decisions of semicolon vs. period, en-dash vs. parenthetical remark, etc. all play a role in influencing how the reader interprets the message. That said, the gist of that quote – that there's a sharp difference in the punctuation employed by "older" generations and the (lack) of punctuation by the newer – is something I've seen mentioned elsewhere and have observed myself. But then again, this might just be due to chat being the dominantly preferred medium for the newer generation, and when each message is comprised of only a single sentence or fragmented thought, punctuation can't really apply (aside from the trailing ellipsis; and ironically the overuse of that is negatively associated with the much-older, less computer literate generation).

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32344 No. 32344 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I've been thinking about starting my own image board for a while now, but I don't really know how to go about it. I'm not talking about software and I don't think there's any non-technical guide to it. There's aspects of tohno chan I like which don't seem easy to replicate. For one, the lack of shit that most imageboards are flooded with. How would I advertise my image board without attracting "those" kinds of people? If I advertise on other people's boards, that's also basically spam, so it might bother mods and give a bad impression. How does tohno chan do it? Every new board I've seen spam for has been filled with nothing but cancer and most don't make it past three months.

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>> No. 34657 [Edit]
Do not invite political polarization. In time, tohno will gravely regret the creation of /tat/.
>> No. 34729 [Edit]
Great thing about that, though, is its recent activity isn't shown on the homepage.
>> No. 37044 [Edit]
>Also, to keep cancer out, just have nazi mods. It works for here, sushi and sama.
I was quite confused by what you said, but then I realised that you didn't mean "nazi" literally.
>> No. 37049 [Edit]
While that phrase is one which refers to overly strict moderators, literal nazis are not exactly unheard of among imageboards.

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29674 No. 29674 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Last person to post in this thread wins a free internet!
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And now I will do the only thing there is left to do to the internet. Destroy it.
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I am taking your internet.

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36894 No. 36894 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
hello tohno chan
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28568 No. 28568 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Is it my imagination or does it seem like the non-narutard part of the english anime community has been slowly dying over recent years?
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>> No. 36828 [Edit]
I said he was cool before he was cool.
>> No. 36829 [Edit]
Being into anime before recent times doesn't make someone cooler in the eyes of normals. All they care about is the here and now.
>> No. 36848 [Edit]
You were the kid who took jokes literally, huh?
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30438 No. 30438 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
What relaxing things do you like to do, Anon?
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>> No. 36487 [Edit]
That's only going to make the problem worse as time goes on.
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You could be on to something; drive at night to late-night diners could be worth the effort.
>> No. 36795 [Edit]
You could always move to a small city where people bike/walk instead.

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