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3553 No. 3553 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [Last 50 posts]
I came across this video about art that gave me a lot of food for thought, as someone who's made a few failed attempts over the years to "get into" art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMynlk7KhXs

To summarize:

• Commonly repeated learning techniques in the west, e.g. thinking about everything in terms of geometric shapes or scaffolds, are actually debilitating(in general, but especially for otaku art). These are maliciously propagated as a form of ladder kicking; art instructors will draw half-appealing examples, ostensibly because of these techniques, as a way of fooling people into thinking they're useful. "Western art is essentially: how good can we be, while insidiously fucking things up"?

• Saito Naoki is a good source of information.

• Most westerns who attempt to learn "anime-style" drawing, will fail because of all this misdirection and discouragement, which are institutionalized. At best their style will be a "hybrid" of the two. Elements of otaku art may be present, but not the technique. Many of them compensate for this failure by convincing themselves their style is actually superior, or that they weren't "meant" to make the kind of art that inspired them to draw in the first place. This is exacerbated by all the people who validate these delusions.

• The two most important methods for learning how to actually draw otaku art, are meticulously and mindfully copying animation settei, and gesture studies

• When copying settei, do it on a line-by-line basis with the goal of accuracy. As you do it, think about why the lines "work" together, and why the mistakes you make don't. Don't do any rough sketching, because the purpose is to understand and observe the drawing, not imitating the process used to create it in the first place. The spacing between eyes is especially important. "You're trying to memorize all of the key shapes and... You're trying to figure out exactly how and why they work". "Seeking accuracy will inevitably lead to understanding how and why these shapes work".

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>> No. 3630 [Edit]
>>3629
Thank you. Now, about the method... are you really supposed to do the same thing from the very beginning, which is looking at a target picture and trying to imitate it as closely as possible by eye? Or would it be better to start with direct tracing and after some time move onto imitation by eye? Or maybe some sort of hybrid where you try to imitate sections by eye, and directly compare them with the target picture and fix major fuckups before moving to the next section?
>> No. 3631 [Edit]
>>3630
Don't just trace. There's no point where you'll be "good enough" to start copying by eye. Howard has suggested tracing AFTER you copy by eye, if you're really off the mark. I think doing it all in one go is better than sectioning things arbitrarily. The drawing exists as a whole, not in neat divisions. As you draw something, keep the other parts in mind. That's how you keep things proportional and with the correct gesture.
>> No. 3632 [Edit]
I realized that for my purposes I need to learn some SD, and if anything that would have more priority than general art. Has Howard ever talked about SD in his Patreon videos or whatever? Is it easier than general art? Can it be learned before general art or is that unadvised?
>> No. 3633 [Edit]
>>3632
If by SD, you mean chibi, I can't recall him mentioning it specifically. What I think though, is that any otaku art style is going to share the same principles. If drawing chibi characters is what motivates you, just go for it.

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3252 No. 3252 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Can someone helm me creating my own imageboard on my phone only ( I don't have any pc) please people I beg you
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>> No. 3305 [Edit]
>>3304
>>3304
>Computers in the 90s had keyboards, real ones.
You can plug in a USB keyboard to your phone (with the appropriate usb to micro-usb adapter I guess). Or use a bluetooth keyboard.

>They also had screens larger than your hand. So you could actually see what you're doing
Fair, but this isn't a limiting factor. With how large phones are these days (and their resolution) you can still manage to work on things. I'm not saying developing on a phone is going to be a comfortable experience, but it can be done if you're willing to put in the effort to find creative workarounds.

The rest I do agree with, and if one is going to do software dev he should at least learn how to google rather than asking people for help.
>> No. 3616 [Edit]
Getting a VPS might be a nice idea, you can do what the person right above me recommended to have a better experience with logging into the ssh server of said VPS. It would cost maybe about £3 a month? And you may have to learn how to use a Linux distribution of your choice for said server.

Hope this helps.
>> No. 3617 [Edit]
>>3616
>£3
Where?
>> No. 3618 [Edit]
>>3617
Privex's cheapest option is $2 per month. You only get a ipv6 address, but that can be worked around with this:
http://v4-frontend.netiter.com/

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"Writing is not even remotely possible without Congress being informed," Senator Adeline Pierce declared, her voice echoing through the marble halls of the Capitol. Her statement was met with murmurs of agreement and a few puzzled glances. The Senator's chief of staff, David, shifted uncomfortably behind her, clutching a sheaf of documents. He knew the weight of what was about to be revealed.

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Their investigation led them deep
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109 No. 109 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
A thread to post your drawings.

I don't see one.
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This pose was difficult. Something definitely went wrong, but I'm not sure what exactly or why. I don't know what I'm doing with shading either.
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Portrait of Johan Liebert.
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I think this one came out better. The torso is still too long proportionally and I don't really know how to shade the back.
>> No. 3567 [Edit]
>>2357
woah

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3322 No. 3322 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
I don't want to keep flooding the /navi/ thread, so I'll post updates here from now on. Crushed some bugs, and added some features, including rate limiting(ended up only needing the stdlib for that).

I added a feature I'm slightly unsure about since it's pretty unconventional. CSS allows you to define the maximum height and width an image can occupy based on the viewport. I decided to use this to limit how large a thumbnail can expand. I think this improves the user experience, since you'll never scroll to look at an image piece by piece, or open it in a new tab.

I'm a little worried it'll mislead people into thinking images are lower res than they really are . The file info does include the real image dimensions though. Pic is a comparison of my behavior compared to tc's.

https://gitgud.io/nvtelen/ogai

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>>3526
Taking a quick look at a live instance, jschan does not have expandable thumbnails or allow deleting posts without javascript. It does not have embedded youtube videos, or themes, or editing posts at all. You can add your own css, but this also requires javascript.

edit: ogai also uses css to limit the size a thumbnail expands based on your screen size, so you don't have to scroll or open the image in a new tab to see all of it. I've never seen another imageboard engine do this.

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>> No. 3531 [Edit]
>>3526
Never heard of it, but wow, that's actually pretty neat.
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Added code block and shift jis support.
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I've given up on the SVG idea because the firefox code reviewer assigned to that bug still hasn't approved the fix. Worse though is that links accessed in an SVG are added to your history, so if you maximize an image and then press the back button, it'll minimize the image instead of actually going to last page you were on.

I've instead added a context menu to images using JS. I know it's weird using JS as compensation for not using it, but people who have it disabled altogether wont be affected by this, and those who do have it enabled, are now affected less than before. So it seems like a win-win.

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412 No. 412 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
This will be a thread for beginners to post their pictures and have people who are more experienced give them advice on how to improve.
I will be posting some of my work shortly.
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>> No. 3548 [Edit]
>>3547
look nice, at least to my untrained eyes your stuff is already at the level of popular pixiv artists.
>> No. 3549 [Edit]
>>3547
>That's really nice. Are you just starting to learn drawing?
Thanks a lot. No, I used to draw as a kid, but kept going on and off, sometimes with year-long breaks in-between. But I am starting to try colouring. Nice Flandre, by the way.
>> No. 3550 [Edit]
>>3547
That's a cute flan drawing
>> No. 3551 [Edit]
>>3547
I'm glad it helped! "Just draw" works more if you're a beginner like me and don't know where to start. I think it depends if what you want to draw is something that forces you to practice or if you get into the habit of drawing what you're used to but it's fun nonetheless. I'm going to try drawing something other than portraits regularly again after I finish cleaning and rearranging my room. Cute Flan, by the way.

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2775 No. 2775 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
For those of you who upload the things you make, where do you like to upload them?

Aside from here, of course.
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>> No. 3520 [Edit]
>>2775
LBRY
>> No. 3528 [Edit]
>>3519
What is your website anon? I won't comment about it.
>> No. 3532 [Edit]
>>2775
Literature goes onto my personal website on Neocities. Art right now is mostly on Weasyl but I plan to move it to my website at a later date. Games go on Itch, can't put them on Neocities sadly.

>>3461
I can... almost vouch for Weasyl. Most of the stuff uploaded there is DeviantART-tier but it makes up for it with its user interface that I think is the best I've seen on an art site. Don't expect any engagement though.
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>>3461
I think that what site you choose to upload your stuff to should be based upon the functionality of the site as opposed to reception; what's the extent of it's tagging/searching capabilities, how much of it is gated by account-usage, does the site compress your work or have limits (if so how much), privacy aspects etc. Nonetheless, if you are using the site not merely as a means for hosting to link elsewhere but for sake of visibility (whose purpose is indeed lacking) then proceed with your criteria. However, regardless I think you should also choose another site to mirror your work with quality as the priority. I don't know personally which sites are browsable that offer lossless galleries, if any, but optimally it would be both, if none can be found then at the very least upload all your works losslessly to a filehosting service perhaps periodically in an archive, or maybe MEGA, or consider hosting your own simple html site on a free hosting service such as neocities (only really a feasible option if the quantiy is low).

>>3532
Was pleased to see you can upload .swf there, though I didn't find any interesting ones. Odd that there's no svg (according to the faq) though considering.

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3533 No. 3533 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Following the witch: another hymn to Aphrodite. A poem inspired in part by Yume Nikki.

Any thoughts/criticisms?
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>>3533
>Any thoughts/criticisms?
AAAAAAAAAAAああああああああああああ
>> No. 3535 [Edit]
I'm not really into poetry. It requires effort on my part to not skim through. The mention of urine laced tap water, and sports-drinks felt odd. I think I get what you're going for, a dreamy, nonsensical atmosphere, but it still feels inharmonious to include stuff like that and name drop Greek tragedies in the same text.

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2827 No. 2827 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
does anyone else here ever like to draw realistic noses on anime girls?
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>> No. 2953 [Edit]
I just thought up a nightmare scifi scenario I'd like to ask if you think its spooky enough before fleshing out the idea. The hypothesis I'm basing my idea on is that after humans go into space and live in low/zero gravity situations the physical penalties for obesity are reduced and the fatties are able to grow to enormous sizes without being crushed to death under the weight of their own hideous mass. After a few generations the fatties have evolved bodies more in line with their excess nutritional intake and as everything else about them grows, so does their brains. The fattest of fatties grow super smart and conquer humanity completely, possibly eating a lot of us in the process and eventually enormous space whales the size of planets rule the universe an thats how it all plays out in the end. Fatties win bigtime.
What do you think?
>> No. 3524 [Edit]
>>2827
delete this right now you baka
>> No. 3527 [Edit]
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Old thread, huh. I never did realistic noses, I would just add little triangle noses to images to make people laugh.
>> No. 3611 [Edit]
>>3527
unlike op's picture, those triangle noses actually look cute

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3523 No. 3523 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Where should I start? Is it like super hard or something?

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>> No. 3249 [Edit]
>>3220
I suddenly remembered this thread, thought it was a neat idea and wanted to post just to come and see a post vaguely claiming it seems dangerous.
Anyone have any idea why it would be dangerous?
>> No. 3250 [Edit]
>>3249
I can't think of a way it'd be _dangerous_, although I suppose in the worst case it might allow someone in the real-world to learn that you are a poster on TC, but they'd need to have another sample of your writing tied to your real-world identity to compare against. It might also allow someone to forge your writing, but unless that can be linked to a real-world identity it seems useless as well.

So in short I don't see how it could be dangerous, although that being said as a paranoid person I'd still hestiatae in terms of opsec to upload anything that could undeniably link with real-world identity.
>> No. 3251 [Edit]
>>3250
Oh right. I was thinking it was due to feeding algorithms and AI even more data.
Your concerns are more reasonable though, thanks.
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>>2859

>>3250

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