My most recent drawing of Tohno's character and another TC user. I'm a bit more proud of this one and I spent some more time on it than usual. I can spot a lot of things wrong with it on my own but some critique would be welcome.

My first completed digital drawing.

>>2748
Could use some more shadows.

I was too lazy to finish this one since I've been on it for so long and time has been sparse. I should probably be more dedicated though, for sure.

>>2762
it's cute

>>2763

But she is stabbing herself in the shoulder with a (poorly drawn) pencil.

Here is my last drawing, it only took so long because I was dumb enough to not use tabs. This is where my inability to draw proper anatomy shows the most so don't hold back anything with this one.

My most recent drawing, I got a bit exhausted with digital drawing. I also tried out a new style too. What do you think?

I'm able to critique my drawings on my own but I figure that it might help to post it here anyway. I can already see a lot of flaws myself such as the hands being different sizes, same for the boots, the hips not looking quite right as well, and the shading on her face looking like a burn scar.

Something I made a while after Tohno streamed Yooka-Laylee.

>>2835
Please add something like [3D Warning] before, not after, the hyperlink so people don't open it before reading the rest of the text.

>>2836

[3D warning]

Some anatomy practice using Quickposes.com this time, I know I'm violating a rule by linking to 3D but I'm hoping it's okay in this context since I know to give the best possible criticism on a drawing the person giving critique needs to be able to see the reference as well.

https://www.quickposes.com/assets/poses/4753a684aa95705f1d3cd5dffb509122.jpg

Thanks for the warning >>2836, I reported the post to have it deleted.

>>2837
Oh, I didn't mean you should have deleted the post, just to keep it in mind for future reference. Thanks for your consideration. I agree on the notion that context is extremely important when making an exemption, like in your case.

I feel like this one ended up more as coloring and shading practice but I tried using the airbrush tool on a final drawing for the first time and I decided to try and use the bucket tool as the base for colored parts.

I look forward to reading thoughts on this one. I'm not entirely sure if I'm finished with this one but for the time being this is all I can think of to do on this that I feel like doing.

By the way, I feel like the wisps need to also look like some kind of light source. If I failed to make them look like such and you have any better ideas on how to achieve this, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Give this guy a check. He has neat tutorials on anatomy for animatic drawings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNmBiNkcUQ

Trying to draw again and experiencing some technical difficulties, felt tip pen question:
How long do tips normally last?

I only used pencils before but some exercises are supposedly better done with pens so I bought a couple of Sakura Microns (normal 0.5mm tip), I'm surprised and discouraged by fast wearing nibs.
After 2 days it was already flattened and hard to use, tried to stick with it for a week but I ruined it to the point it's unusable- it was worn almost to the metal sleeve and ground completely flat.
I thought my paper might have caused excessive wear- cheap recycled brown paper, unfortunately it's rather rough textured so with the next pen I used ordinary printer paper however the results are similar.
I read some reviews on the pens before buying, people warned they tend to run out of ink quickly if pressed too hard so I was careful not to use much pressure. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

>>2843
I bought Sakura microns.
The first exploded the very first time I went to use it on some lined paper when I was going to be taking notes.
The other lasted a little more than week of notebook use in my pocket before it was worn to the metal and started leaking through the nib.

Never again, Sakura.
I'm smacking myself for even trying them when I know and love Pilots.

>>2844
Fuck. I really hate it, always doing my best to try and find the best possible solution for me but getting burned again and again.
Very unpleasantly surprised considering some people claim to even refill these Microns and have them last for years.
Unfortunately other popular brands (Pilot, Staedtler, Rotring, Copic etc) are either unavailable here or too expensive for me. Not willing to try less known makes with no opinions.
Anyway I'm back to not drawing so my pens will last a long time after all.

>>2845
I mean, no offence towards >>2844, but it's just one opinion. They cost like $2-3 each so you can still buy one or two and try them yourself.

>>2846
I'm both of 'them' so this opinion was formed empirically, unfortunately.

>>2848
That's terrible. Are the other brands really that different in price?

>>2850
Yes, over here other specialized art/technical brands usually cost 2-3 times more for basic models.

Stupid question, can a NEET learn and survive on art?

>>2842
Here are the drawings I made using his drawings as reference. These are the first of my attempts.

>>2842

>>2842

Should I give up?

>>2877
About drawing? No, unless you don't care about it. Just remember even the most talented people still practice dozens if not hundreds of hours a month. You won't get good with wishful thinking. You need to draw and draw and draw.

>>2878
Thanks anon. I'm kind of bored of everything else so I can keep up drawing

>>2877
Nope. Nice expression.

Might want to give these check:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHfrncvODQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZIqbRDphs

Does Photoshop have an option to display a guide when placing straight lines by shift+click? I remember GIMP had this very useful feature enabled by default. Pic shows what it looked like, more or less.

>>2862
Probably but you would be working as an artist so no longer a NEET.
Patreon seems like a good way to do it though, to me anyway. It seems the best artists only make about $500 a month though, and they draw lewd images that I would not draw.

>>2862
As the previous poster implied - the only way to make a good living off art without working is to be a recognizable enough name that people want your commissions. That either takes lots of skill (not just in art, but in social interaction), or the capacity to draw very, very depraved images that most artists simply don't draw.

I used to draw, poorly. Now out of fucking nowhere my mother promised someone I'd conjure up some pictures for them.
What the shit was she thinking... I can't do it. I only ever did retarded shitscribbles in the back of a notebook, back when I was still in school. Over 10 years ago.
I'm going fucking insane here, it's impossible. I want to claw my eyes out and die in pain.
She thinks I'm pretending to be shit out of laziness or spite.
Kill me, someone fucking kill me already.

>>2971
>>2972
Well, it's been 2 years since I've asked that question. I didn't improve at all.
I'm not squeamish and I have no self respect so I wouldn't be opposed to making porn, but it's not that important now.

For the last couple of months I've been trying to start learning again and it's more dejecting then ever. As usual I attempted to study the standard way. I tried to follow some common anatomy textbooks while doing basic practice based on the popular Draw A Box set of exercises.
It feels like I'm not capable of improving. I've filled hundreds of pages and haven't learned a single thing. It's not like I'm doing it all wrong, like some absent minded grinding. I aimed to understand the whats, hows and whys of the exercises as best as I could to practice consciously.

It was very hard to keep doing it regularly with my depression and worsening brain fog. All of it was plain unpleasant, exhausting, unrewarding. I hoped I'd start having fun again at some point, that it would get easier the more I worked but it never did.
I haven't practiced in a while. I don't have the strength to drag myself out of bed. I'm about to quit.

If anyone knows anything that could help, please reply.
Drawing and painting might be the only thing I've ever really wanted to do, although I've always failed at it. It might be the only thing that could save me from eventual suicide.

>>2980
Have you considered professional therapy, or failing that, Bob Ross?

>>2981
I tried therapy but it didn't help me much. Drugs had no positive influence, only nasty side effects. People find me repulsive so group therapy was a miserable experience and shrinks didn't want to deal with me one on one since I'm a boring and hopeless case.

I never watched much Bob Ross because in my country traditional painting is an expensive hobby. I wanted to start with traditional drawing and move to digital painting eventually. I try to stay as cheap as possible using mostly pencils or graphite, and fineliners where required by exercises.
Maybe I'll watch some more Ross for that famous tranquil atmosphere, as I won't be able to apply his guidelines in practice.

>>2980
>>2982
I'm still here, sometimes. Anyone? Please...

>>2989
It's "possible" but very hard to make money off art, and beating dark souls with your eyes closed levels of hard to make a sustainable living off it. You need a good amount of luck, connections, and determination on top of skill. Plenty of people with art degrees find them to be worthless once they get into the real world.

>I'm not squeamish and I have no self respect
Good, If all you want is to make a few bucks, drawing furry porn is unfortunately one of the best ways of making money via art when you're starting out. Few people are going to pay for typical art, waifu types generally want japanese artists, furfags meanwhile have deep pockets and always want more.
Make a deviantart page with examples of your works along with prices, and keep prices lower than the competition until you get better and get more of a following.

I'd say make two portfolios/profiles, one for selling porn to degenerates, and one for showcasing your skills with more family friendly works that you can use as part of your resume as you seek out work as an artist with various agencies. It wont be easy, and there's tons of competition, but there 'are' plenty of jobs out there for artists, From advertising agencies to game makers. You can also try your hand at making webcomics and such, and trying to collect patron money.

>>2990
I suspected it's a dirty job, thanks for the tips. But these things are beyond my capabilities as I'm practically skilless. I can't make anything worth selling.

To clarify, I wanted to ask for practical learning advice this time. To be honest I'm permanently stuck on a level of back-of-a-notebook shitscribbles. I don't know what to do with it.
I wondered if anyone knowledgeable could point me in the right direction.
How should I learn, what to do, where to go for help. I don't know any places besides the most popular sites featuring tutorials and whatnot.

I know these readily available training materials should be sufficient and I should probably go over them again and again and until there's improvement but it's been a long time and I've been completely unsuccessful so far.
I thought maybe It'd be easier to get unstuck if I could ask for more direct guidance somewhere, but I don't know how and where to ask for it without feeling like I'm bothering people or shitting the place up.

Sorry if I'm obnoxious and this seems like a hopeless case.
I don't mean to nag or waste your time, when I feel really bad I sometimes post without thinking or consideration.
It's just naive venting. I realize it's counterproductive and egoistic to accost people instead of forcing myself to start practicing again but it's all so hard. Living is so hard.

>>2990
Guro is also a good option. It's even more niche than furry porn and fans of it don't seem to care who it comes from(judging by gurochan). Scamtreon is an option for more passive income.

>>2991
Do you know why you're not progressing? By what yardstick are you measuring yourself by? Do you do the exact same thing every single time and expect to get better, or do you look at your attempts and understand the flaws in them? I think these things apply to learning anything. Practice can be useful or useless depending on how you do it. Maybe you're doing something fundementally wrong. Try drawing from life first. Look at an object in front of you and try to replicate it. Do this for different objects and keep trying to improve your replications. Break it down into smaller parts: basic shapes, basic shades, then layer more and more detail onto it. Can you draw a circle? Can you draw squares? Triangles? Can you draw 3-dimensional versions of those shapes? If yes, I think you can draw. Then comes living beings and eventually humans. Architecture, anatomy, nature and PEOPLE are the biggest things in art.

One of the biggest issues I find with learning is that I don't know what exactly I should be drawing to learn so I just draw pictures of a girl standing by herself. Sometimes I modify how she stands and I do get better bit by bit but I feel I should be practising in other ways.

>>2994
While you're learning how to draw people, you should do them naked. Learning how muscles expand and contract depending on the position. Draw individual body parts too. Definitely do other poses. This is called a study.

>>2993
I think I know, more or less. I don't know how to fix it.

I focused on anatomy and perspective with additional exercises for development of the most basic skills.
So I studied anatomy of separate body parts constructed with elemental geometric forms as shown in numerous tutorials, and basic gesture drawing trying to integrate these details.
For perspective I practiced mostly two-point with simple shapes and forms, and did some additional exercises with basic transformations and stuff.
I get lost when the vanishing points are off the page, and I was unable to advance to three-point.
The basic stuff involved different repetitive exercises based on drawing large amounts of lines, circles, ellipses, boxes and cylinders.
I did these the most as I feel I won't be able to ever advance without first acquiring strong line control and ability to properly draw geometry in 3D space. But I never got any better with it.

The worst thing is I can't combine these elements.
I have problems with all aspects of drawing but the major ones are with proportions, construction, practical application of perspective, proper placement of objects in space and in relation to each other.
The logical thing to do would be to keep trying to use everything I learned together until it works, the problem is I'm so bad at it it's fruitless. Especially when trying to draw from life.

I don't always know what I'm doing wrong. I can't seem to learn anything when I'm overwhelmed by everything being wrong.

>>2996
You can't progress by just doing tutorials and basic exercises. You have to go out of your comfort zone and get an intuitive feel for these things. Did you try drawing from life? It doesn't matter how well you have basic techniques down in an exercise, you have to utilize what you do know to get better at the techniques. Have you picked an object, a figurine, fruits, real people, anything, and tried to draw it? Draw it as exactly as possible. You don't necessarily even have to look at something actually in front of you. You can search for subjects online. When I tried drawing, I focused a lot of netsuke and I got pretty good at replicating them onto paper. I never did the exercises you did, and really I should have. I failed to go out of my comfort zone. Don't get caught up in rudimentary exercises. Go at it from a different angle and then go back to exercises and back and forth.

>>2997
Yes, that's what I did. I chose to do the exercises because they were specifically focused on things I can't do which are "out of my comfort zone."
Going back and forth between exercises and studies is literally what I did. But what little I learned through exercising I was unable to put into practice.
I don't know how to explain it. I'm stuck and confused.

>>2995
Thanks. I think I am going to stop drawing on tablet for a while and just do it on paper, that way I won't feel any pressure to make something presentable.

>>2999
Maybe your progress was being stifled by the medium you were using? Paper and pencil might be more natural for you. I could never stand tablets.

>>3000
No, it's an Ipad so I find it quite fine. But I find that I tend to focus more on making individual images and not so much on practising through drawing multiple sketches, there is a feeling that because it's digital it should be more polished. I think if I draw a page of scribes everyday I should improve eventually and I won't feel any pressure because nobody will ever see them.

>>610
I've drawn a little before, but I never tried anatomy. Could somebody give me critique please? I feel like I miscalculated a few things, but i'm not sure.