>>2877
About drawing? No, unless you don't care about it. Just remember even the most talented people still practice dozens if not hundreds of hours a month. You won't get good with wishful thinking. You need to draw and draw and draw.

>>2878
Thanks anon. I'm kind of bored of everything else so I can keep up drawing

>>2877
Nope. Nice expression.

Might want to give these check:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHfrncvODQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZIqbRDphs

Does Photoshop have an option to display a guide when placing straight lines by shift+click? I remember GIMP had this very useful feature enabled by default. Pic shows what it looked like, more or less.

>>2862
Probably but you would be working as an artist so no longer a NEET.
Patreon seems like a good way to do it though, to me anyway. It seems the best artists only make about $500 a month though, and they draw lewd images that I would not draw.

>>2862
As the previous poster implied - the only way to make a good living off art without working is to be a recognizable enough name that people want your commissions. That either takes lots of skill (not just in art, but in social interaction), or the capacity to draw very, very depraved images that most artists simply don't draw.

I used to draw, poorly. Now out of fucking nowhere my mother promised someone I'd conjure up some pictures for them.
What the shit was she thinking... I can't do it. I only ever did retarded shitscribbles in the back of a notebook, back when I was still in school. Over 10 years ago.
I'm going fucking insane here, it's impossible. I want to claw my eyes out and die in pain.
She thinks I'm pretending to be shit out of laziness or spite.
Kill me, someone fucking kill me already.

>>2971
>>2972
Well, it's been 2 years since I've asked that question. I didn't improve at all.
I'm not squeamish and I have no self respect so I wouldn't be opposed to making porn, but it's not that important now.

For the last couple of months I've been trying to start learning again and it's more dejecting then ever. As usual I attempted to study the standard way. I tried to follow some common anatomy textbooks while doing basic practice based on the popular Draw A Box set of exercises.
It feels like I'm not capable of improving. I've filled hundreds of pages and haven't learned a single thing. It's not like I'm doing it all wrong, like some absent minded grinding. I aimed to understand the whats, hows and whys of the exercises as best as I could to practice consciously.

It was very hard to keep doing it regularly with my depression and worsening brain fog. All of it was plain unpleasant, exhausting, unrewarding. I hoped I'd start having fun again at some point, that it would get easier the more I worked but it never did.
I haven't practiced in a while. I don't have the strength to drag myself out of bed. I'm about to quit.

If anyone knows anything that could help, please reply.
Drawing and painting might be the only thing I've ever really wanted to do, although I've always failed at it. It might be the only thing that could save me from eventual suicide.

>>2980
Have you considered professional therapy, or failing that, Bob Ross?

>>2981
I tried therapy but it didn't help me much. Drugs had no positive influence, only nasty side effects. People find me repulsive so group therapy was a miserable experience and shrinks didn't want to deal with me one on one since I'm a boring and hopeless case.

I never watched much Bob Ross because in my country traditional painting is an expensive hobby. I wanted to start with traditional drawing and move to digital painting eventually. I try to stay as cheap as possible using mostly pencils or graphite, and fineliners where required by exercises.
Maybe I'll watch some more Ross for that famous tranquil atmosphere, as I won't be able to apply his guidelines in practice.

>>2980
>>2982
I'm still here, sometimes. Anyone? Please...

>>2989
It's "possible" but very hard to make money off art, and beating dark souls with your eyes closed levels of hard to make a sustainable living off it. You need a good amount of luck, connections, and determination on top of skill. Plenty of people with art degrees find them to be worthless once they get into the real world.

>I'm not squeamish and I have no self respect
Good, If all you want is to make a few bucks, drawing furry porn is unfortunately one of the best ways of making money via art when you're starting out. Few people are going to pay for typical art, waifu types generally want japanese artists, furfags meanwhile have deep pockets and always want more.
Make a deviantart page with examples of your works along with prices, and keep prices lower than the competition until you get better and get more of a following.

I'd say make two portfolios/profiles, one for selling porn to degenerates, and one for showcasing your skills with more family friendly works that you can use as part of your resume as you seek out work as an artist with various agencies. It wont be easy, and there's tons of competition, but there 'are' plenty of jobs out there for artists, From advertising agencies to game makers. You can also try your hand at making webcomics and such, and trying to collect patron money.

>>2990
I suspected it's a dirty job, thanks for the tips. But these things are beyond my capabilities as I'm practically skilless. I can't make anything worth selling.

To clarify, I wanted to ask for practical learning advice this time. To be honest I'm permanently stuck on a level of back-of-a-notebook shitscribbles. I don't know what to do with it.
I wondered if anyone knowledgeable could point me in the right direction.
How should I learn, what to do, where to go for help. I don't know any places besides the most popular sites featuring tutorials and whatnot.

I know these readily available training materials should be sufficient and I should probably go over them again and again and until there's improvement but it's been a long time and I've been completely unsuccessful so far.
I thought maybe It'd be easier to get unstuck if I could ask for more direct guidance somewhere, but I don't know how and where to ask for it without feeling like I'm bothering people or shitting the place up.

Sorry if I'm obnoxious and this seems like a hopeless case.
I don't mean to nag or waste your time, when I feel really bad I sometimes post without thinking or consideration.
It's just naive venting. I realize it's counterproductive and egoistic to accost people instead of forcing myself to start practicing again but it's all so hard. Living is so hard.

>>2990
Guro is also a good option. It's even more niche than furry porn and fans of it don't seem to care who it comes from(judging by gurochan). Scamtreon is an option for more passive income.

>>2991
Do you know why you're not progressing? By what yardstick are you measuring yourself by? Do you do the exact same thing every single time and expect to get better, or do you look at your attempts and understand the flaws in them? I think these things apply to learning anything. Practice can be useful or useless depending on how you do it. Maybe you're doing something fundementally wrong. Try drawing from life first. Look at an object in front of you and try to replicate it. Do this for different objects and keep trying to improve your replications. Break it down into smaller parts: basic shapes, basic shades, then layer more and more detail onto it. Can you draw a circle? Can you draw squares? Triangles? Can you draw 3-dimensional versions of those shapes? If yes, I think you can draw. Then comes living beings and eventually humans. Architecture, anatomy, nature and PEOPLE are the biggest things in art.

One of the biggest issues I find with learning is that I don't know what exactly I should be drawing to learn so I just draw pictures of a girl standing by herself. Sometimes I modify how she stands and I do get better bit by bit but I feel I should be practising in other ways.

>>2994
While you're learning how to draw people, you should do them naked. Learning how muscles expand and contract depending on the position. Draw individual body parts too. Definitely do other poses. This is called a study.

>>2993
I think I know, more or less. I don't know how to fix it.

I focused on anatomy and perspective with additional exercises for development of the most basic skills.
So I studied anatomy of separate body parts constructed with elemental geometric forms as shown in numerous tutorials, and basic gesture drawing trying to integrate these details.
For perspective I practiced mostly two-point with simple shapes and forms, and did some additional exercises with basic transformations and stuff.
I get lost when the vanishing points are off the page, and I was unable to advance to three-point.
The basic stuff involved different repetitive exercises based on drawing large amounts of lines, circles, ellipses, boxes and cylinders.
I did these the most as I feel I won't be able to ever advance without first acquiring strong line control and ability to properly draw geometry in 3D space. But I never got any better with it.

The worst thing is I can't combine these elements.
I have problems with all aspects of drawing but the major ones are with proportions, construction, practical application of perspective, proper placement of objects in space and in relation to each other.
The logical thing to do would be to keep trying to use everything I learned together until it works, the problem is I'm so bad at it it's fruitless. Especially when trying to draw from life.

I don't always know what I'm doing wrong. I can't seem to learn anything when I'm overwhelmed by everything being wrong.

>>2996
You can't progress by just doing tutorials and basic exercises. You have to go out of your comfort zone and get an intuitive feel for these things. Did you try drawing from life? It doesn't matter how well you have basic techniques down in an exercise, you have to utilize what you do know to get better at the techniques. Have you picked an object, a figurine, fruits, real people, anything, and tried to draw it? Draw it as exactly as possible. You don't necessarily even have to look at something actually in front of you. You can search for subjects online. When I tried drawing, I focused a lot of netsuke and I got pretty good at replicating them onto paper. I never did the exercises you did, and really I should have. I failed to go out of my comfort zone. Don't get caught up in rudimentary exercises. Go at it from a different angle and then go back to exercises and back and forth.

>>2997
Yes, that's what I did. I chose to do the exercises because they were specifically focused on things I can't do which are "out of my comfort zone."
Going back and forth between exercises and studies is literally what I did. But what little I learned through exercising I was unable to put into practice.
I don't know how to explain it. I'm stuck and confused.

>>2995
Thanks. I think I am going to stop drawing on tablet for a while and just do it on paper, that way I won't feel any pressure to make something presentable.

>>2999
Maybe your progress was being stifled by the medium you were using? Paper and pencil might be more natural for you. I could never stand tablets.

>>3000
No, it's an Ipad so I find it quite fine. But I find that I tend to focus more on making individual images and not so much on practising through drawing multiple sketches, there is a feeling that because it's digital it should be more polished. I think if I draw a page of scribes everyday I should improve eventually and I won't feel any pressure because nobody will ever see them.

>>610
I've drawn a little before, but I never tried anatomy. Could somebody give me critique please? I feel like I miscalculated a few things, but i'm not sure.

I think this one came out better, though the angle is easier. I have to start doing faces. Any advice is very welcome.

Her head is too long.

My first attempt at referencing a face. I had no idea what I was doing.

This one was very far off the mark.

I didn't reference the face, it came completely from my imagagination and it looks as bad as I would expect. Taking a "break" and rushing it didn't help either.

The torso is too long yet again. The angle between rib cage and hips is also wrong. I don't know how I can improve.

The perspective of this one was tricky. The torso issue is there yet again. I'll try putting the torso right next to the hips.

The outline of four faces, numbered by the order in which I drew them. Number 3 is strange and disappointing. I like to think I improved after 1.

Post edited on 6th Aug 2020, 10:32am

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>>3112
I dunno. It looks like shit? I have no idea about drawing so I can't criticize your work.
I mean you probably know all the parts that look bad so just think about those parts and fix them yourself.

>>3113
>I mean you probably know all the parts that look bad
I don't. And I don't know how to fix them either.

Post edited on 7th Aug 2020, 4:10am

>>3113
That's a lot easier said than done, and if it was half that simple everyone would be a great artist.

>>3112
Well I am the drawer of >>2994

I don't think I can offer you much assistance...

>>3116
It's been almost a year. Are you still going at it?

>>3112
There's not enough depth on the feet and arms, I think you perposely trying hide them behind for whatever reason. Draw some more thin lines on hair, the hair is one the most graceful thing in women. It is one thing that you should proritize getting it perfectly right. Do practice more on that. Overall I think your drawing lacks of thin lines and because of that, you have an over sized looking ear in your drawing. The part that delicately needs more detail turn out to be flat because there's little to no thin lines. Learn how to shade draw stroke properly. All these have some trick behind it.

>>2994
I think you need a better design on your character uniform. It looks really dull though.

I have taken all the little willpower and energy I have left and decided to start drawing.
But what I should start drawing?
It's drawing objects useful at all? Copying pictures? Drawings of others?
I have read all kinds of tutorials and books but it's all too abstract and advanced. I guess I want to stick into something and mindless grind because if I think just a little about what to do I will immediately hate the whole thing and lose all my movitation.

>>3139
Draw smiley faces. Today, draw 500 smiley faces, with slightly different levels of smile. If you don't want to think and drawing anything is okay, you should have no problem with the smiley face assignment I've given you.

>>3139
>I think just a little about what to do I will immediately hate the whole thing and lose all my movitation.
Don't think. Put pencil to paper and draw fuck whatever comes to mind that second.

>>3140
That doesn't seem particularly useful for improvement, it's some sort of secret technique?

>>3141
You mean starting with drawing from imagination?
You don't recommend copying then?

>>3142
No, my point was that you're coming at it with the wrong mindset. Drawing is more mental than physical. People get better by thinking about what they're doing more than getting stronger arms or whatever.

Doing monotonous, repetitive shit without thinking is how you train your body, not your mind(muscle memory is partially in the brain, but you get the idea). All three of the things you listed are useful in different ways. Learing "how to draw" can't be tackled from one angle.

I like the Vilppu Drawing Manual from what I've read so far. Read it and follow it, or don't. Doesn't make a difference to anybody but yourself.

>>3143
That makes all the sense. It's an important disadvantage in my case, though. I can do things in the same way I do the dishes or brush my teeth, but if I'm doing something in full consciousness I start feeling stupid and depressed, while doubting about progress being possible at all. I guess I will need to overcome that or give up.