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1036 No. 1036 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Over the last two weeks I've had an inordinate amount of free-time, a lot of which I wasted torturing myself by exposing my mind to normalfag neurotoxins because I'm masochistic, self-destructive and frustrated by my complete inability to control the enviroment around me. The result of all this was a list I made about feminism. So lets talk about it to heal our addled minds and restore a bit of sanity.

Feminism, regardless of whatever someone's nonsensical personal interpretation of it, tends to have a few common tenets:

1. There is a patriarchy, a society-wide, concerted effort to keep woman down. Every man who does not "fight it" is part of the patriarchy.

2. Promoting feminism is the way to promote general equality. If society reached "peak feminism" there would be no issues that disproportionately affect either sex. Quality of life and happiness will also certainly be higher for everybody.

3. Women are a victimized class of people today and in the western first world. They are victimized more so than men. Feminism cannot exist unless woman are "the victims" and will never become obsolete because the goalposts will be perpetually changing.

4. Human beings are born blank slates. There are no innate psychological differences between men and women that tend to occur. If there are any exceptions to a potential trend, that proves that the trend does not exist. (extension of Marxism)

5. Feminism cannot be characterized by the words and actions of individuals or groups with money and power who identify as feminist. It is only characterized by vague, theoretical ideas.

6. Women are not a hive mind and are all unique individuals who can not be generalized in any way, but they should have a strong sense of group identity and work towards common interests. "Sisterhood" and individualism are somehow not contradictory. A shared victimhood should be the unifying factor among women.
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>> No. 1414 [Edit]
>>1412
I agree with them so far as photographic depiction of 3D women goes, but as 2D is the best realistic alternative to this, 2D is in fact the only way of achieving what they wish to achieve. that plus the fact that a lot of the focus on anime specifically arises from the extremely racist stereotype of the "yellow peril" being perverted and arriving to rape white women. but it can only be expected that such bigotry remains amongst radical feminists such as Clare Short.
>>1413
it's best to ignore all 3D
>> No. 1415 [Edit]
>>1414
>so far as photographic depiction of 3D women
Why? People are individuals. Nobody owns any body but their own. The rest of what you wrote is incomprehensible.
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>>1415
why? well to combat objectification of women, which psychologically speaking only occurs through photographic depictions. so the government should crack down on 3D, and promote anime as a healthy alternative.
>> No. 1475 [Edit]
>>1416
Even if objectification can be proven to exist as something real, and separate from natural male sexuality, what is wrong with it? No one ever explained that to me. Okay, so let's say I'm treating women like an object of my lust rather than a person. And? Women DON'T own the concept of the female body, that's the point. They can't, no-one can, only the mind that imagines it owns it.

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519 No. 519 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
So, what's your current political standing? Find out:
http://www.politiscales.net
Mine, pic related and:
>Additional characteristics (textless icon at the bottom):
>Pragmatism : politics objectively boil down to looking at where the problems are and trying to solve them according to the means available.
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>> No. 1404 [Edit]
>>1402
>The plebs that are brainwashed by the media which is my point.
if they were brainwashed by the media they wouldn't have voted for Brexit, the whole media was against that.
>Well then it's not a trade off between independence and accountability then is it? Seeing that you admit they are both as unaccountable as each other.
the lower house is independent insofar as "corporate voters" in the form of donations can outvote any normal voter. I think that there is a greater accountability to be had at the expense of this existing independence for the lower house also.
>Are they though? And are no American politicians ever bringing religion into governance?
at least Americans don't do so in an official capacity. Christians are luckily a much weaker force in Britbongistan these days, but they still have their grip and aren't gone yet.
> I would also remind you just where exactly it was that the industrial revelation was started, who exactly discovered gravity and who it was the coined the term dinosaur and laid the ground work for the theory of evolution and who had the tallest building in the world for a quite substantial period of time.
those are piddling, meager efforts of an inferior people compared to what literally any other nation has acheived.
>>1403
>Are you not a heterosexual man?
no, but a clitoris (as I have since researched) is a feature of 3D women, and as a heterosexual man I am obviously only attracted to 2D women. 3D women are the exclusive province of the most homosexual of men.
>I'm only arguing that Britain HAS a culture with some significance and tangible achievements. Never said it's the greatest on Earth.
a middling Victorian culture means nothing if it has no descendants, and it doesn't. Brits today have nothing at all to do with the autho
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>>1404
>a clitoris is a feature of 3D women
>literally any other nation
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>> No. 1408 [Edit]
>>1404
>those are piddling, meager efforts of an inferior people compared to what literally any other nation has acheived.

I'm going to stop now. I don't really see a point in continuing this if you are going to continue saying ridiculous things like that. Clearly what you are saying has no basis in reality.
>> No. 1409 [Edit]
>>1408
>I'm going to stop now. I don't really see a point in continuing this if you are going to continue saying ridiculous things like that. Clearly what you are saying has no basis in reality.
I was gonna drop the reveal and post a timestamp with the guy down the street's union jack from his backyard flying in the background, but he put up his fucking wiltshire flag this week, so that's ruined.

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867 No. 867 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [Last 50 posts]
I'm worried. They're already here in Europe. It makes no sense.
How do you feel about it?
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>> No. 1390 [Edit]
>>1385
absolutely this. what a supremely based post.
>> No. 1391 [Edit]
>>1385
absolutely this. what a supremely based post.
>> No. 1410 [Edit]
>>1385
Plugging your ears and calling something a spook doesn't make it not a reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald
There were demonstrations in Europe, it's not as fuck it nevermind someone who stills parrots old /lit/ memes isn't gonna understand anyway
>> No. 1422 [Edit]
>>1385
For a "european" that's a suspiciously American sentiment which was only formulated and disseminated by filthy yankee kike driven media during the past 5 years.

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1059 No. 1059 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do you guys believe in anything that might be called a conspiracy?
Pic might be related
I think a global Orwellian state is coming into existence
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>> No. 1384 [Edit]
Since the moment I came to conclusion that the phrase "conspiracy theory" was created to discredit all discussions of potential hidden plots and agendas, and that most people start associating the word "conspiracy" with some nutjob rambling, I started giving everything with the label attached at least a deeper consideration.

Some people are pulling the strings and the world politics are coordinated in some way. You can see who influential people meet with, maybe see some money flows. The politicians seem to use the same language, last phrase I heard was "build back better".

>>1061
It's just modern form of slavery.
>> No. 1386 [Edit]
>>1123
Why should they have had to leave their homes and the lands they have lived in for god knows how long? I don't agree that those that stayed can't be serious about there faith either. This is quite a simplistic view of things that you seem to have that fails to give even a passing glance to the thoughts and realities of those that are actually there.
>> No. 1387 [Edit]
>>1386
>Why should they have had to leave their homes and the lands they have lived in for god knows how long?
Because they're a bunch of assholes who choose to follow a violent, militaristic ideology.
>> No. 1388 [Edit]
>>1387
I'm not denying that but it doesn't factor into why they should themselves feel the need to leave or even have the ability to practically leave.

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1262 No. 1262 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do you believe in the existence of non-material phenomenon (not necessary god but things like reincarnation, collective consciousness, astral/ethereal "bodies", etc.)? Or do you instead view the world only in strictly material terms? Or maybe there's a third option?

Note again that this question is not strictly speaking about any sort of god; (of course clearly if one existed then non-material phenomenon exist, but we can still have non-material phenomenon without needing to invoke a god).

I personally ascribe to a more materialist viewpoint since while it's true that our knowledge of the world is ultimately mediated by our senses (and hence potentially imperfect), most (all?) non-material phenomenon seem to implicitly mark humans as "different" from things like rocks or insects and this seems apriori unlikely.

On the flipside, I recently read about how one guy seemed to have documented cases of "reincarnation" [1] (but the fact that all of these rebirths seemed to have happened in a geographically close town seems quite suspicious).

[1] https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/ian-stevensone28099s-case-for-the-afterlife-are-we-e28098skepticse28099-really-just-cynics/
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>> No. 1362 [Edit]
>no matter how much low frequency light you shoot at that thing it will not produce a current. this directly points to light not being a particle because if this phenomenon could be explained by particles then simply shooting more particles would produce the current

Why do you say that? A physical analogue would be activation energy. Or if you want a mechanical analogue, dynamical systems exhibit bifurcations which can be loosely interpreted as requiring a high enough "energy" for a state change to visibly occur.

And if you don't like the photoelectric effect there's also compton scattering.
>> No. 1363 [Edit]
>>1361
>Are you saying that the sun orbits around the earth then?
i would say thats the next best thing now that heliocentrism is out of the way.

>If you want to invoke the aether, then what would explain lorentz invariance?
honestly i had no idea what lorentz invariance was until i read about it a few minutes ago, from my understanding it means the laws of the universe dont change no matter where you are. if i do have this right then i think it would be you that has to explain how lorentz invariance exists without any underlying fabric on the universe. the ether easily explains it because everything is the ether and therefore everything is bound by its laws. without an ether, what is stopping something from not following the laws of physics or even leaving the universe altogether?

btw the random bullshit i was talking about was lorentz contraction, which to my knowledge was invented solely to account for the failure of the michelson morley experiment.

>If you can reliably reproduce this, then sure
i mean in principle how psychic communication and magnets work are the same. hypothetically if it did exist then it would work through the same medium magnets do, so its nonsensical to classify magnets in a different domain.

>I'm not sure what you're arguing against
what im trying to do is show that there is something non-material enveloping the whole universe that would be the foundation for all other types of non-material phenomenon.

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>> No. 1364 [Edit]
>>1363
>now that heliocentrism is out of the way.
This is opening up a whole new can of worms – if you reject heliocentrism then the assumptions we're working under are so radically different that it's not going to be productive to continue this line of discussion. (You'd have to go back to epicycles to explain orbits, let alone the tangible evidence from telescopes)

>>1363
I think it'd be prudent to at least understand a bit more about SR (and GR) before dismissing ideas outright. And if you dismiss lorentz contraction then you're implicitly dismissing time dilation which we know is experimentally true given the correction factors needed for GPS.

>and one low frequency but having much more energy than the high frequency one
Please lookup the planck equation.
>> No. 1366 [Edit]
>>1364
>Please lookup the planck equation.
i think you misunderstood me, i know high frequency means more energy. i guess what im trying to say is you can have a high amplitude low frequency beam of light that doesnt produce the photoelectric effect, meanwhile a low amplitude high frequecy beam of light will produce it.

>if you reject heliocentrism then the assumptions we're working under are so radically different that it's not going to be productive to continue this line of discussion
it is much easier to just accept the results that the michelson morley experiment showed than to claim that distance contracts in order to explain why the motion of the earth cant be detected.

>I think it'd be prudent to at least understand a bit more about SR (and GR) before dismissing ideas outright
it would be

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1007 No. 1007 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
If China takes over the whole world, what do you think would change? Do you think there's anything that would be improved? What would it look like?
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>> No. 1011 [Edit]
>>1010
>Would they stop putting effort into stuff that makes them seem more "normal" like anime related stuff
They'd probably continue to do it to make themselves more friendly and palatable. It's also a cheap method of exerting and maintaining soft power.

>forced into being less religious
They seem to hate falun gong and uighurs but I think that's because within China, they don't want any organized opposing force (not sure why they hate falun gong in particular since it just seems like a blend of taoism/buddhism). I don't they would particularly care about exerting control over religions in other regions since it really doesn't pose much of an issue to them.

Overall the changes would be done very slowly. E.g. rather than mandating Chinese from the start, they would first gradually increase foreigners' exposure to hanzi, and then slowly introduce it in the school curriculum, and so by two or three generations it would come to be ingrained in the culture as the defacto medium for communication. Although when we're speaking about that long of a timescale it really depends on how the successor of Xi will take things; because as I understand it there are various factions still trying to gain control.
>> No. 1025 [Edit]
>>1010
>>1011
>Also religion, would people be forced into being less religious
The Chinese today seem to be embracing traditional Chinese religions more and co-opting it to work with the already-existing Communist system, so as to fill the spiritual void of the modern Chinese. I think they may make some attempt to spread things like Confucianism and Taoism, as people will feel more intrigued by the more exotic aspects of their society than by the boring, soulless Marxist aspects. Xi Jinping
The Chinese governments is also attempting to forcefully reform other religions like Christianity or Islam, to make it work with the political system, by creating their own edited/censored versions of the Bible for example.
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In my opinion, China "taking over the whole world" would be its undoing. Over-expansion, and an angry United States, Russia, surrounding Asian countries who dislike China like Taiwan and Japan and their allies would also not just let them take over unopposed. Especially since these countries have pretty nasty technology developed that they wouldn't be afraid to use when they're not intentionally prolonging war for profit. The Chinese do as well but we all know how they fare in open war.

People who support China because they dislike the powers that be in the west don't know what they're asking for either.
>> No. 1261 [Edit]
>>1086
I kind of agree. It's my biggest criticism of their foreign policy right now. They keep pushing at other nations, bullying them and threatening them and claiming their lands. It's only making them enemies and even militarising the region against them. A good example of that would be the Quad alliance of Australia, Japan, India and the US. Australia actually dissolved that as they wanted to get on well with China and trade with them, now they have started it up again due to Chinese aggression.

If China had just waited, just bided their time, build up their navy in peace, build their defence industry up and set up their belt and road nobody would have bothered them about it indeed nobody was, as I mentioned Australia even dissolved an alliance against them but not only that some Australian politicians wanted to be part of the Belt and Road(they have changed their tune about that now). They could have waited until it was to late and then revealed themselves for that they are.

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242 No. 242 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Policemen
>refers to a post-war council consisting of the Big Four that U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt proposed as a guarantor of world peace. The members of the Big Four, called the Four Powers during World War II, were the four major Allies of World War II: the United Kingdom, the United States, the Soviet Union and the Republic of China
>As a preventive measure against new wars, countries other than the Four Policemen were to be disarmed. Only the Four Policemen would be allowed to possess any weapons more powerful than a rifle.[2]

'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.'
- Benjamin Franklin


'In America everybody is of opinion that he has no social superiors, since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors, for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal applies only upwards, not downwards.'
- Bertrand Russell
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>>246
>That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed.

Citizens of foreign nations didn't consent to US rule. Maybe in some exceptions, don't nitpick me.
>> No. 248 [Edit]
>>246
The Declaration of Independence is different from the Constitution. The Constitution is an agreement between the Federal Government and the people. Even state governments aren't held to the Constitution in the same way that the Feds are. The point of the document was to establish the Union out of the then independent colonies.

I agree with your point that the very notion of such a thing as the Four Policemen is very hypocritical, but it does need to be said regardless.

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>> No. 1124 [Edit]
>>242
>>As a preventive measure against new wars, countries other than the Four Policemen were to be disarmed. Only the Four Policemen would be allowed to possess any weapons more powerful than a rifle.[2]
Isn't this exactly what the NPT does? I find it really fucking funny that the only country to actually use a nuclear weapon in combat, against civilians no less, makes the claim that they, yes THEY in particular need to keep those weapons out of the hands of everyone else, including their allies. I guess they're smart about one thing; being a U.S. citizen would suddenly become very unpleasant, if the U.S. military lost a war hard enough to lose its place as a superpower, after all the enemies we've made in the last century.
>> No. 1131 [Edit]
>>244
But US militia only get rifles as well.

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1087 No. 1087 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Do you like ancient Egypt?
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Hittites are better.

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798 No. 798 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
What do you think japan and it's culture would be like today if it stayed out of WW2?
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>> No. 969 [Edit]
People seem to forget that Japan was culturally genociding the Koreans and really killing others at the time.
>> No. 1004 [Edit]
>>968
That's simply impossible since the state ideology of Imperial Japan, State-Shinto, was religious in nature. Japan staying out the war or winning the war would have meant a strengthening of its native religious traditions (Shinto) and a weakening of all foreign doctrines, including Buddhism, which wass already happening prior to the war.
That and the fact that Christianity had already been present in Japan for centuries and never managed to spread outside of these obscure little communities.
>> No. 1005 [Edit]
>>969
Korean culture is shit so that's okay.
Chinese killed more of each other during their civil war than Japan did in their war against them.
>> No. 1006 [Edit]
>>825
>Age is irrelevant
'They cannot believe that there are cultural values that are the result of centuries of historical development, which cannot simply be bought. It was no bad joke when, after the war, they bought the ruins of German castles and moved them stone by stone to the U.S.A. They really thought that they had purchased a piece of national history embodied in stone, and were naive enough to think that mocking laughter from Europe was respect for the wealth that enabled them to buy what their own tradition and culture lacked'.

'Although we affirm the technical achievements of our age, we see behind them an intellectual strength that grows from the roots of our people. Machines are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. As much as we appreciate the achievements of modern civilization and use them to improve life, we know that they are not the sole meaning of life. There are national values that are the result of centuries of history and tradition. They cannot be purchased, only built by the labor of generations'.

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986 No. 986 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
This thread is for talking about the general trend of certain fields of science becoming more focused on supporting pre-existing, politically correct ideas than observing reality.

Today I looked at the wikipedia article on Mongoloid and noticed how bereft of information it is. Then I looked at the talk page and I think I finally get why some people hate wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mongoloid

The Japanese version of the article on the other hand is still full of info https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/モンゴロイド
The Chinese version is sparse, but based on my translator, the opening paragraph mentions higher IQs in East Asian children than European and African ones. It also links to this https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/101410v6
>Using improved methods and public data, we have revisited human evolution and found sharing of genetic variations among racial groups to be largely a result of parallel mutations rather than recent common ancestry and admixture as commonly assumed.

The Japanese race article https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/人種 has a section about dna which includes charts and plenty of references to Chinese and Japanese studies. There is no Chinese or Japanese version of the Scientific racism article.
>> No. 987 [Edit]
>>986
Social sciences always had an undertone of politics. Sadly even biology/medicine is starting to fall under its sway.

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Did you know that, ever since the US forced Japan to do Democracy, the Japanese have elected the Liberal Democratic Party 95% of the time?
That means the LDP has been in government ever since 1945, with only maybe two exceptions.

What ever the Americans had hoped Democracy would do, I don't think they achieved it.
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historically Japan likes cute from the start which is why Bokko will always be better received than garbage like Minnie Mouse and the only reason westerners complained over Minnie looking sexy in that fashion commercial is because the west is a mentally ill culture, after all the west celebrates fat women.
>> No. 984 [Edit]
>>983
>the west celebrates fat women.
I'd say it's something that a lot of people here are reluctantly forced to live with. Yes there are some people who claim to like it, but for every one who does I think there's another who's only saying as much to hopefully win some favor. I refuse to believe everyone here is okay with it. I see average sized men with women twice their size all the time, and I wonder to myself how these guys don't mind that. Call me vain but I think physical attraction is half of a relationship, and you can't have a healthy relationship if the sight of your partner naked makes you want to vomit.
I think it's something men here accept because there's not much choice. They want companionship, but they can't be picky. When most of the women are like this and complaining would get you ostracized, they must feel like there's no alternative.
Ironically, these same men would consider someone like me pathetic for not giving in and taking whatever I can get.
>> No. 985 [Edit]
>>984
>Yes there are some people who claim to like it, but for every one who does I think there's another who's only saying as much to hopefully win some favor.
It seems like it's a commitment thing. Very few guys actually prefer fat girls and if you dig down into those who claim to it's because "they try harder" or "are more loyal". I've seen women use the same logic to justify dating someone far larger than them. I can understand the visual appeal of chubby but these people try to talk people who are downright obese into being sexy when fat fetishism is really rare. Just look at porn and then look at the amount of self proclaimed "chubby chasers". It's gross that people view a partner fatter than them as a plus because they "try harder" and "won't leave". The extreme of this is feederism but you see the same thing play out in a much lighter way all the time.

Polite sage for off topic.
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>>983
Fat acceptance is widely mocked even by progressive types, the only celebration of that is by fat fetishists and that happens in the east too if you dare to brave certain tags on Pixiv.

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