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16448 No. 16448 [Edit]
Ponderings general 2. Post things you've thought about.

Previous thread >>15685
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>> No. 16455 [Edit]
What if there is a yet undetected force, even weaker than gravity, but one that, over vast distances overcomes gravity. Distances like those between galaxies. A force which doesn't attract, but repells.

And that force drives the repelling of galaxies which we see today.
>> No. 16456 [Edit]
I think that's more to do with the lack of any friction or air resistance in space that might prevent objects from moving away from the center of the universe.
>> No. 16457 [Edit]
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Are bears. the missing link between man and dog?
>> No. 16662 [Edit]
If 666 is the number of the beast, does that mean that the Devil got trips?
>> No. 16748 [Edit]
A long time ago, I realized that life was far more complicated than it should of been through a simple game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that people sometimes switch Scissors and Paper around and also with the fact that people have changed the standard timing (another hand swing before throwing their hand or throwing it immediately after Scissors/Paper. Even with specific details, they sometimes manage to get it wrong unless fully explained in full detail on how the game is to be played, which feels like a waste of time.

I came up with this thought when I used to go to elementary, so pardon me if it seems like a pretty meaningless thing to base the over-complication of life, but that was enough for me and still is as I was right, much to my disappointment.
>> No. 16857 [Edit]
You know the whole "going back in time to create something before it really gets created so you can take all the credit" thing?

What if a really famous game, manga, etc. was the result of that? Maybe your favorite work is technically a ripoff of something that would have come out two years later, had this one not come out first.

Just a thought I had, not trying to incite an argument or anything...
>> No. 16858 [Edit]
interesting idea.
>> No. 16994 [Edit]
Why does "effeminate" mean feminine (roughly), but "emasculated" means un-masculine (roughly)?
>> No. 16995 [Edit]
Well, the definition of Emasculated is: "the removal of the genitalia (castration) of a male, notably the penis and/or the testicles."

So, I guess that might answer you question? It all has to do with penis.
>> No. 16997 [Edit]

My question was more about why they both have the "e-" prefix, but it means something different in each case. If "emasculate" followed the same logic as "effeminate", it would refer to a woman who acts in a masculine way. Or vice-versa, "to effeminate" would mean to remove (parts of) the female genitalia.

Similar to how flammable and inflammable mean the same thing, I guess.
>> No. 17000 [Edit]
Apparently it's one of the words where the "e-" has "little effect on the signification".

I got that from here:
>> No. 17001 [Edit]

Interesting, thank you.
>> No. 17046 [Edit]
That detective said that pickpocketing could be learnt in an afternoon. I wonder if I can learn it alone, in my house.
>> No. 17112 [Edit]
I was masturbating to a mindbreak-themed manga yesterday night when I was very tired. It was a frightening experience.

The usually trite writing seemed all too relatable, it's as if I was becoming a slave to my penis through overwhelming sexual pleasure. Maybe there's more to the genre than meets the eye.
>> No. 17149 [Edit]
Maybe this belongs in /mai/, but whatever.

For some reason, I've been comparing the whole idea of having a waifu to religion in my head. I don't even mean that as a bad thing really. If anything, I'm thinking having a waifu is more or less the ideal religion without all the retarded bylaws.

Granted, there's probably always going to be at least some ratio (in both) of lone nuts who take things too far into delusion to those with the common sense to know that their (Haruhi/waifu) doesn't physically exist, but if their (Haruhi/waifu) lives on in their hearts and minds and inspires them somehow or helps them get through the stress of daily life, etc. etc. then there's really no harm done.

Not much of a point to all that, but it crossed my mind, so I guess I just felt like putting it out there.
>> No. 17154 [Edit]
why don't zombies ever try to rape people or have sex with each other?
no really. the whole I concept behind reanimated dead bodies eating people comes from the idea that when brought back from the dead, they're incapable of thinking properly, so they just carry out the most basic human needs, which of course means eating, but why don't they sleep, shit or fuck? and why do they only eat humans? If I had to guess I'd say the rotting smell of fellow zombies keep them from eating each other, but why not animals? wheres the logic behind that? it's not like they eat them off camura and they never show it, they've pointed out this fact, and one zombie movie, survival of the dead, focused on this as they tried to force zombies to eat animals.
>> No. 17158 [Edit]
The closest that I've come to that is the Crossed comics. They're not really zombies, though.

It's a western comic, so I'm not sure if you'd be interested in it.
>> No. 17159 [Edit]
Hasn't the blood stopped circulating in a zombie? They are walking corpses after all. They can't have sex if they can't get an erection.
>> No. 17161 [Edit]
You're trying to use logic on an illogical science fiction creature. Zombies can have erections if they can have super strength and super fast regeneration.
>> No. 17163 [Edit]
Don't forget about the lack of Rigamortis.
>> No. 17179 [Edit]
An obvious and probably stupid thought that I've been considering: I can say that the sky is blue, and another person might agree, but we may be seeing completely different things. If one person sees what I see as blue as red, and is taught from birth that that is blue, he'll certainly not be lying by agreeing that the sky is blue, but we are in complete disagreement while thinking we agree. Just an analogy and I'm sure science has already proven that our eyes interpret certain wave frequencies in the same way, but hopefully my point is clear and makes sense.
>> No. 17180 [Edit]

I thought of this too when I was in middle school after one of my teachers said he was colorblind and saw green as grey.
>> No. 17186 [Edit]
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I asked my teacher that in 6th grade (about colors of the sky, and pain) and she said that she didn't understand. If you're interested in this topic, it has a name: qualia.

We can now today assume a numeric, object value to the colors we perceive around us with specialized technical devices, and we as well can analyze the relationship between rods and cones in our eye and see how a persons' relationship with colors can be affected through one defect or another.

A famous philosopher named George Berkeley used qualia (color, taste, pain, and so on) to argue that a sensible, functional picture of reality was dependent on the human mind, and following that, that our realities were primarily (if not totally) mental. His philosophy has a few flaws, but it's very easy to read and I find it amazingly exciting to read... if that sounds interesting to you, read one of these books by him:


He talks about "Haruhi" some, but if you'd like, mentally replace that word with "nature" or "the world" or other such terms, as he uses it to refer to a non-personal force which unifies and gives source to a person's thought rather than to describe some kind of angry bearded man in the sky. So don't be scared off by that word if you see it! His language is quite antiquated; if possible, look past that and try to think heavily on his points. If nothing else, it'll be a good way to waste a bit of time. Hopefully that helps you think some.
>> No. 17187 [Edit]
Today I wondered if anyone has ever been banned from here.
>> No. 17188 [Edit]
I've been banned from the IRC 3 times, each time by a different mod.
>> No. 17189 [Edit]
There's been a few shitposters here, so I wouldn't doubt it.
>> No. 17190 [Edit]
a few dozen, yes.
Sometimes people show up and spam the site with whatever shit they think is funny, and you just know they're never going to post anything coherent, so there's no question about it when it comes to banning them. on the other hand with people who just seem to be confused and not understand that we aren't 4chan, I prefer to just delete their retarded posts, and maybe give them a short ban of a day or few if they got really carried away.

Post edited on 24th Sep 2012, 5:28pm
>> No. 17217 [Edit]
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So you just delete whatever posts you don't like without a word?

No wonder this place comes off as such a dull, lifeless hivemind sometimes.

Oh well, guess there's always /jp/ for a change of pace. Really comes down to the question of preference, I guess. The utter chaos of near complete lack of moderation or the iron-fisted order of Nazi moderation?
>> No. 17220 [Edit]
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that's how things are here, filthy anarchist, love it or leave it.
>> No. 17221 [Edit]
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Believe me, I've tried the latter now and again.

But despite every non-4chan imageboard trying to distance themselves from 4chan, there's a certain little something they all still have in common. Pic very related.

Anyway, I honestly do kinda like it here, but if this was the only place I posted, I'd go batshit.
>> No. 17222 [Edit]
>there's a certain little something they all still have in common. Pic very related

i don't understand
>> No. 17223 [Edit]
yeah okay, next time some dickhead fin spams /mai/ with reaction faces making fun of the users, I'll just leave it. when /ot/ is flooded with prom photo threads, people will know who to thank.
>> No. 17224 [Edit]
I mean imageboards are fucking addictive. Much like 4chan, I find it hard to leave and stay gone forever.

Sorry, wasn't sure if I was being clear there.
>> No. 17225 [Edit]
kinda overreacting there
>> No. 17226 [Edit]
fuck you, holy shit, what the fucking hell is wrong with you?! where do you get off saying I'm overreacting?! I'll perma ban your whole country you fucking cunt faced faggot! eat my shit and die motherfuckETR$$# nr4hegtsrg are45tr75t4eghrdgkf fds
>> No. 17227 [Edit]
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I'm really fast + strong and could totally beat you up!
>> No. 17234 [Edit]
Of course. Whenever normality does as much as fart in our general direction we go ape shit. Even hardcore otaku have to be careful what they say here or else they'll get heckled off the board. Thats the whole point of Tohno-chan.
>> No. 17236 [Edit]
In hindsight, I can't say I mind that much, just need a break from it every now and then, I guess. While I stand by most of what I said, sorry if the thread got derailed a bit there.
>> No. 17237 [Edit]
Like around a week ago I went back to /jp/ to check on it because I haven't been there in forever because it got ruined by spam, people from other boards, and people so normal I question why they are there in the first place. It was horrible, some interesting things going on but the amount of trolls, normals, and complete assholes was overwhelming. It was like I just stepped into /b/ with a theme. I wanted to enjoy it and not care because they will always be there and always were but now it's just too much.
>> No. 17248 [Edit]
There's nothing really wrong with memes, as long as they're not popping up too much.
>> No. 17250 [Edit]
Except that they are.
>> No. 17251 [Edit]
All human communication is just a complex of memes, in the sense of being units of cultural information subject to the evolutionary forces of being replicated and modified or being forgotten. The fact that this sentence begins with a capital letter and ends with a period is a meme in the original sense of the term.

/tc/'s supposed hatred of "memes" in general is really just an attack on certain low-status memes that we, as a small elitist culture, deem unfit for survival and replication. It's all the same brutal Darwinian bullshit that has always made the world the hellhole it is.

One doesn't win at the game of evolution, O Monks; one only minimizes one's losses at the expense of others.
>> No. 17253 [Edit]
>brutal Darwinian bullshit that has always made the world the hellhole it is.

citation needed. what is the alternative?
>> No. 17257 [Edit]
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What you have to do is just scroll past a lot of shit to find a small nugget or post good threads.

Not really rocket science, but I seem to hear it a lot when people talk about what boards suck.
>> No. 17259 [Edit]
it's hard to find the motivation to swim through a sea of diarrhea just to read one or two decent posts
>> No. 17263 [Edit]
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Believe me, I know what you mean.

Tohno-chan is a nice break from the fake NEET bragging threads and shit posing as /jp/ culture.
>> No. 17265 [Edit]
i think "/jp/ culture" is shit regardless of fakers and whatnot

that's why I'm on tohno-chan after all
>> No. 17270 [Edit]
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Never said there was an alternative. Doesn't make nature any less horrifying, now does it?
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>> No. 17376 [Edit]
You'd be a lot happier if you dropped the EPIC QUALITY IMAGEBOARD POSTER pretensions already.

It's not like any of us are.
>> No. 17413 [Edit]
I wonder if women who had double masectomies have to wear tops in public.
>> No. 17416 [Edit]
I don't see why not. Flat chested women still have to wear tops.
>> No. 17417 [Edit]
Some women who have had breast cancer and had their breasts removed wear tops that barely cover anything and show it off.
>> No. 17418 [Edit]
this is the first I'm hearing of this
>> No. 17482 [Edit]
I don't think showing everyone your hidesous scars would be very nice.
>> No. 17492 [Edit]
Oddly, it's completely legal for women to go topless in public in my country (Canada). The feminists fought for years to get this right but I can't say anyone really does it. Typical feminists...
>> No. 17498 [Edit]
why the hell people would want go topless in Canada anyway?
>> No. 17499 [Edit]
I don't want to see anyone topless on the streets, women or man.
>> No. 17501 [Edit]
>> No. 17502 [Edit]
I wouldn't mind topless men.
>> No. 17504 [Edit]
I bet you wouldn't.
>> No. 17536 [Edit]
I'm sick of Orwell quotes. People from all over the political spectrum like to quip them, while imagining themselves as champions of truth and justice.
>> No. 17540 [Edit]
Whats so bad about Orwell?
>> No. 17542 [Edit]
Nothing at all, it just feels cliché.
>> No. 17546 [Edit]
I'm surprised that I didn't even notice that this was a new thread.
>> No. 17599 [Edit]
After watching Chuunikoi EP2, I realized that live action productions have a very hard time making cats unrealistic because, as it turns out, they use real cats.
>> No. 17687 [Edit]
mysticism is the rhetoric of unknowables
>> No. 17696 [Edit]
capable hawks hide their talons out of sight
>> No. 17733 [Edit]
Today I was pondering which one is the right way: enjoy small enjoyments often and suffer long, or suffer small sufferings often and enjoy happy and healthy life. Yes it's junk food and sweets against exercise and restraining your food habits.
>> No. 17740 [Edit]
Studying shouldnt be some kind of all-consuming battle. Other people deal with it okay and there shouldn't be any reason why you can't too. Its just that you're studying dumb instead of studying smart. There is no way you can expect to get a decent mark if you don't go to every lecture. It is easy to get a decent mark by doing 2 hours of study a day.
>> No. 17791 [Edit]

I love sweets, junk food and fizzy drinks so I consume a lot of them and have done so for years and years. My teeth are now so ruined that they can't really be called teeth anymore. It's a real mess. However, I don't regret my dietary habits and don't intend to change them. I think that since this life is the only one I have I should take whatever pleasures I can from it. Every so often I will get extreme constant pain that lasts for days at a time. For me, this isn't enough to deter me from something I love.

The only wrong thing I consider myself to have done is neglect my dental hygiene, such as brushing teeth regularly. But I wouldn't change how I eat.
>> No. 17792 [Edit]
While I have been trying to restrain myself from snacking and only eating when I am actually hungry - it's hard for me to resist when I face constant boredom and browsing the internet somehow fuels this habit. I've gone back to drinking green tea, maybe as a substitute for coffee.
>> No. 17798 [Edit]
Why not just smoke a cigarette every time you reach for the Twinkie or Ho-oh? You'll lose a hundred pounds before you know it.
>> No. 17799 [Edit]
Smoking is for normals.

Post edited on 18th Oct 2012, 5:41pm
>> No. 17802 [Edit]
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>> No. 17803 [Edit]
Breathing is for normals
>> No. 17805 [Edit]
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Not him, but that's exactly what I've been doing over the last 15 years; now I'm starting to get really fucked up by it...

And so, I'm about to switch into e-cigarettes (Halo) which, apart from allegedly less damaging, come in several and tasty flavours (including sweets).
>> No. 17811 [Edit]
I should quit smoking...expensive habit.
>> No. 17819 [Edit]
I would also lose much weight if I just cut my arms off. Stupid logic, why would anyone ruin their health to lose weight? (because purpose of losing weight is to feel healthier) And >>17799

I think ruining teeth isn't the worst part of eating unhealthy. One just notices ruined teeth pretty soon. Maybe now it might feel okay but when you start to grow older, your blood veins will be filled with shit.

I usually chew gum when get similar boredom feeling and I feel like eating, but I am not hungry.
>> No. 17871 [Edit]
I need to stop also, it pisses me off so much when I do find myself snaking so much. Especially on Sundays which is the most boring day of the week to me. I just ate a bunch of popcorn out of total boredom and the depression of the moment since my head is flooded with terrible thoughts right now. It feels good when I actually do hold myself back though, like a huge burden has somehow been lifted off my back. It's a little thing that can make a big difference in my mood since feeling depressed and more ugly is just that much worse than feeling depressed not as ugly to myself.
>> No. 17875 [Edit]
Tohno-chan has been unusually slow recently. I ponder why.
>> No. 17877 [Edit]
So it's not just me, then?

It's strange.
>> No. 17879 [Edit]
I haven't noticed that much of a difference. I lurk here most days even if I don't always post. The other boards besides /ot/ and /so/ don't seem to get that much attention. Maybe we're all running out of things to say and talk about.
>> No. 17880 [Edit]
we are all dying
>> No. 17881 [Edit]
Are you guys being sarcastic?
>> No. 17882 [Edit]
>> No. 17883 [Edit]
>> No. 17885 [Edit]
This website had been bothering me lately, and because my opinions are stupid and the stuff I like is brain-dead, I decided to stop posting about them and let the people with 'good' taste carry the site for a while.
I really didn't even think it would make much of a difference at first.
>> No. 17886 [Edit]
My opinions on most things would be equally disliked most of the time so I also usually just keep my mouth shut here as I would anywhere else. I think I'm such a shit person that even this place would reject me.
>> No. 17925 [Edit]
I got to thinking about how people brake up with each other when one cheats on the other and it made me wonder.
Can you really say you ever truly loved a person if you're willing to completely brake off your relationship with them and never see them again?
If the person I really truly loved cheated on me or killed my mother or whatever, I'd be hurt sure, but I still wouldn't want to loose them. I'd just try to work past whatever problem we're having.
I might not have any experience with romance, but I don't think love is like a light switch you can just turn on and off.
>> No. 17926 [Edit]
love is caused by chemical signals in your brain that can be turned on and off
>> No. 17927 [Edit]
Usually when people break off when one cheats, they still love each other.
>> No. 17928 [Edit]
If only it were like a light switch so that it could permanently stay off.

Life is nothing more than some bad joke.
>> No. 17929 [Edit]
oh yeah, Decided to start posting again, whatever.
>> No. 17931 [Edit]
If they still love each other, why would they brake up?

Post edited on 24th Oct 2012, 1:48am
>> No. 17934 [Edit]
Because they don't see happy future together? Why would anyone in stay in relationship which just keeps hurting and problems seem unfixable? Like said, love isn't just switch you can turn off in instant.
>> No. 17935 [Edit]
sounds like they don't really love each other in that case.
>> No. 17938 [Edit]
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>> No. 17943 [Edit]
How? Love isn't something which automatically removes all obstacles, hardships and makes world perfect.
>> No. 17947 [Edit]
love can move mountains, it can overcome any obstacle.
>> No. 17948 [Edit]
What makes a work of art good?

I'm sure you'd get irritated seeing your murderous whore ex-3DPD at the store with her arm wrapped around some other dude even if you still loved her. And limiting contact or displayed affection can certainly be controlled like a flip of a switch, even if the underlying irrational emotion can't.
>> No. 17954 [Edit]
>What makes a work of art good?
First: what is art?
>> No. 17955 [Edit]
A better question: what defines Art as an aesthetic experience?
>> No. 17956 [Edit]
what do you mean by "aesthetic experience"?
>> No. 17958 [Edit]
What Immanuel Kant might define as a heightened awareness of one's process of perception. Somewhat comparable to a 'altered state of consciousness' but not necessarily in the sense of taking hallucinogenic drugs.
>> No. 17959 [Edit]
>What makes a work of art good?
The subjective taste of a ruling minority that wishes to indentify themselves as so. That is, if we are talking about paintings, music and such.
>> No. 17960 [Edit]
>What is art?
Anything that a select group of people that think they know better wants it to be. This is as honest and true a concept as it may sound ridiculous.
>> No. 17965 [Edit]
I was trying to make a joke but thanks for replying
>> No. 18163 [Edit]
The mistakes we have made in the past lead us to circles: we go back to the same point and make the same mistakes again and again.
And it's interesting to think about the concept of what we consider to be insanity.
An insane person believes that reality is what he experiences and sees.
He has created walls around him, imaginary structures that in his mind are the only reality. He isolates himself from all other realities.
And I would say that there's something selfish in that.
Now, it's also very interesting to think about some elements that characterize us all, absolute elements. Like the fact that we block things from our surrounding world.

Very interesting beings, don't you think.
>> No. 18228 [Edit]
Truth is not actually stranger than fiction; we just hold truth to a far lower standard of strangeness.
>> No. 18295 [Edit]
There are a certain class of philosophies, which tell we should not hold anything as true at all, because we can make mistakes in thought, and whatever we feel certain about, can easily prove to be one. There's a grain of truth in there, but it's impossible to doubt everything, as it is a form of the liar's paradox, it's a self-defeating idea. Notice that whenever we err, we err little, leaving the rest of our knowledge intact.

Maybe I'm fighting straw men.
>> No. 18303 [Edit]
That is not philosophy. It is rhetoric, which is specifically what good philosophy should attack whenever possible. Socrates and Plato said of philosophy that there is a truth out there, and it is our job as philosophers to find it and bring it to light when possible, using logic as a framework and sensory information as evidence.
>> No. 18328 [Edit]
It is really strange to think that people actually exist. Maybe I've been too affected by games and anime and whatnot, but life seems a bit unreal whenever I go out, so when I think that things actually exist, I feel really surprised, since I feel as though I haven't experienced them at all.
>> No. 18332 [Edit]
I wonder how many tohno-channers don't have any mental problems.
>> No. 18358 [Edit]

How many people have no mental problems? I doubt there are any.
>> No. 18362 [Edit]
Okay, maybe not 'problems'. Everyone has problems. Maybe mental illnesses.
>> No. 18364 [Edit]
I don't think I have any pathological mental problems. Never been to a psychiatrist though.
>> No. 18380 [Edit]
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Utility poles must look really fucking sinister to someone who's never seen them. Endless rows of mutated, branchless trees connected by thin, black tendrils that hang menacingly over roads and buildings. Yet for us in the industrialized world, the creepy things just blend into the background.
>> No. 18381 [Edit]
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High voltage transmission lines make me feel so secluded. Thousands of miles of pylons and wires stretch through forests and endless fields. And they don't break up at all. The wires are hundred- or thousand-mile-long objects. It's amazing.

There is an area near my place with them. Walking under them is... therapeutic.
>> No. 18383 [Edit]
They never blend into the background for me, I always stare at them. They're pretty.
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I like transmission lines, too. There are a lot of them near my house. It's nice, but I never leave the house, so I never walk near them.

I also like scenes like the one pictured (enlarge it - it's big!). My entire "neighborhood" (If you can call it that) is like it. Isolated and dirty, and giving off a vibe of solitude. Just like me.

Post edited on 12th Nov 2012, 2:00pm
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>> No. 18388 [Edit]
They're bad for you. I've been in areas with so many of them that the flashlight on my multimeter lit on its own.
>> No. 18646 [Edit]
I should learn how to make chicken katsu.
>> No. 18648 [Edit]
For a second I had thought that you had typed up "chicken kakusu".
>> No. 18695 [Edit]
All bagpipe and drum songs begin exactly the same.

First five seconds of each of these:

I noticed this at the highland games but I didn't really think about it until I heard a playlist on someone's mp3 player. There were several different pipe and drum bands but all of them started out *drummmmmmmmmmTUM*... *drummmmmmmmTUM* *dying cat being pumped up the ass with a bicycle pump noise*
>> No. 18698 [Edit]
Hmm, I've thought about this a lot. I see it as a control of your own emotions. Yes you are hurt even though you might still love them, but its a breach of trust. Why would you continue to date that person that ended up violating something so vital and central to your romantic world view such as monogamy? It's best to cut it off at that point and simply call it quits and consider the other person dead.

I see something like this with many other things that may define me as a person. If someone else ridicules what I like, or wants me to change, then can you really say they actually love me for me and not just my looks? It's also why I never saw the big deal with people trying to "fit in" by having sex with prostitutes just to say they're not a virgin. I have no problem with whatever the hell you do, just don't bother me because we just are not compatible.

see how easy?
>> No. 18840 [Edit]
I realize that it's only twenty-two days until the supposed end of the world. I've managed to substantially spook myself out. I read that the atmosphere might just drift away due to magnetic disruption from the sun and...that idea is terrifying.

Also, the whole Ponponpon back-masking thing.
>Let's die!
>The world is ending anyway!

And...yeah. I feel like a more insane Satou right now. Could a scientifically-minded Brohno debunk the atmosphere hypothesis for me? I just want to get some SCIENCE behind it.
>> No. 18841 [Edit]
Actually, I just googled it, haha. Fears at ease, I'm a paranoid fool~ Sorry for wasting bandwith.

On the topic of fear...The idea of innocent-seeming things (such as the aforementioned Jpop backmasking) hiding sinister messages/symbols can both simultaneously fascinate me and give me the most black fear. Why is that? Is anyone the same way?

The idea of Kyary saying stuff like that to a bunch of Japanese tweens/American hipster otaku really horrifies me.
>> No. 18869 [Edit]
I know giving advice to other Brohnos is often a futile measure, but for the love of Haruhi, please, stop taking drugs.
>> No. 18888 [Edit]
It fascinates me to, I've always saw something twisted in the most innocent seeming things too before I even knew what subliminal messages and such were. For these reasons when I was little and my parents put me in front of the TV I always felt uneasy watching your ordinary American children's shows. I don't know what I saw, but to me there was always something wrong with them. I had no problems watching anime though even though the case was the same, so anime and many Japanese things stuck with me.
>> No. 19011 [Edit]
Aren't there theories of magnetic fields from high voltage lines giving you cancer?

At least the shit which makes you paranoid.
>> No. 19079 [Edit]
I realized why I'm clingy today.

I'm not clingy in the traditional sense - I'll try and put people at an arm's length if I can, but I cling to memories like there's no tomorrow. I'll try and relive them while lying in bed, often for hours, when I should be sleeping.

This is because I don't have many happy memories. I have "small memories". To elaborate, I have petty, shitty memories. I've never truly lived and had a normal life. It's interesting to realize this.
>> No. 19085 [Edit]
Thanks for telling us.
We were all just waiting for you to post about your life.
>> No. 19126 [Edit]
Same here, memories may keep me awake sometimes if it's not too many thoughts invading my head all at once. My good memories are so personal and stupid in the eyes of others I'm not even going to bother typing an example. But I can be out of the house and just go somewhere at the right time and I'm happy with the experience. Very little of my good memories have to do with any people altogether, it's more like people like my father and such have to be in them constantly since I can hardly go anywhere on my own. I take comfort in places and times with small events and important details tying them together. That's meaning to me.
>> No. 19148 [Edit]
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel as though the advancement of Personal computing technology is kinda redundant when everything out there becomes more and more demanding while setting the bar for minimum PC standards higher and higher?
makes it feel kinda pointless to keep spending money on 'upgrading' your computer just to stay at the same minimum required levels.
a crappy PC today might be ten times more powerful than a high end PC from 10 years ago, but it's still considered a crappy PC all the same just becuase everything is more demanding, and sure enough it'll be a worthless pile of scrap you can't even give away at a yardsale in another 10 years from now.
We've got bigger hard drives, but everything takes up more space now. Ram is more affordable, but now operating systems require more than before. we've got better internet connections, but websites have become more resource demanding.
I guess it's a natural part of advancement in technology, but it still seems weird for some reason...
>> No. 19150 [Edit]
That's why I don't play PC games until they've been out for five years or so.
>> No. 19151 [Edit]
It really is, I always thought this my entire life I've been playing them. There would always be games you can play and games you can't. When the computer got upgraded I could play a little more but then most things were still out of the reach. When I got a new pc a long time ago with a Nvidia 9800GT and a quadcore processor running at 3.2 GHz I thought I was all set but no some games require a super computer to run smoothly. I can play everything but many newer games just don't run smoothly. I play mostly older games anyways so what I have now is fine for me though. Don't know when I should replace parts though to keep the pc going. Already had it for years and had to replace the power supply. But soon I think we really will hit a wall in computer technology. When the standard pc is so powerful there isn't much need to upgrade since it will come with a large 1 TB HD at least and a processor and graphics card so good it can run everything. But then when we reach that point they will start making computers more easily broken so they can keep raking in the money.

Post edited on 11th Dec 2012, 7:15am
>> No. 19152 [Edit]
I bought my PC tower prebuilt ($800) a few years ago and came with a 1TB harddrive, 8GB of ram and a quadcore, but the guys still make fun of me for it and call it shit.
>> No. 19153 [Edit]
I have a computer with a 500GB hard drive and 4B of memory
>> No. 19155 [Edit]
I think that people are getting worse at optimizing their code, but it's not a problem for most people since new hardware is continuously being pumped out. But for those of us who can't afford new CPUs and graphics cards every other month (or use a laptop), we're out of luck.

I hope someday we reach a limit on hardware speeds, which will force programmers to learn how to code properly again.
>> No. 19156 [Edit]
I typed up a rant about how programmers these days are terrible and have piss poor coding with very little optimization to none, but I ended up not posting it. I also forgot most of it.
>> No. 19163 [Edit]
I shouldn't have to buy a new processor just to view a website run by retards who have no self control with flash or scripts.
I'm looking at you Danny cho and your piece of shit!
>> No. 19164 [Edit]
High-level programming languages let a single person write a program in a day that used to take a month for a team to write. But all of this is off-topic.
>> No. 19170 [Edit]
The whole board is off topic, who cares?

oh wait, it's Otaku Tangents now...
>> No. 19173 [Edit]
You mean technology is becoming more advanced as time goes on? That's a shocker.
>> No. 19174 [Edit]
It isnt always the case. Ask the people in Western Europe after the fall of the Roman empire about technology. I dont think its a stretch to say something similar could happen if our communications infrastructure was destroyed and there was no more internet.
>> No. 19175 [Edit]
I think what he means is that higher level languages may be slow, but they allow you to get stuff done faster since they're much easier.

But that doesn't mean that both interpreters/compilers and the programs that run on them can't be better-written.
>> No. 19176 [Edit]
The advancement of computer technology (at least the kind for personal use.) feels like running on a treadmill. you'll always be barely keeping up to the current levels while never really getting anywhere no matter how fast you run.
>> No. 19177 [Edit]
RAM and processing power becomes cheaper so Microsoft release a new OS that uses more resources and every company comes out with new bloatware...

I just upgraded to the latest iTunes btw. I've never had any complaints about this program before but the new interface is terrible.
>> No. 19217 [Edit]
If you work on personalising windows 7 and Vista UI to look like Windows 95 then it usually runs a lot faster.

Basically, more OSs are using more memory to make things look pretty(translucent windows, docks, multiple "desktops", fade transition backgrounds, wiggly windows, etc etc) Which is basically what consumer electronics exist for now.

Meanwhile Ubuntu can do all the visual stuff Windows 7 can do (and more if you want) while being able to run without freezing up any PC with hardware from pre-2008.
>> No. 19219 [Edit]
I've been doing that to save battery power on my laptop. I just wish it didn't make so many programs look awkward, since they're mostly tailored to work with Aero.
>> No. 19220 [Edit]
I'm still using XP and I highly recommend it.
>> No. 19221 [Edit]
So true, you just can't completely keep up. There is no way I am upgrading (more like downgrading) to Windows 8, terrible OS that probably also consumes a shit load more pc resources whilst being even less functional than a traditional all desktop focused OS. Hope Windows 9 will be back to normal again.

Also I have heard a lot of news about the new itunes update, I never update my itunes so I don't know what it's like but almost everyone is saying it's horrible. What is it with all of these updates ruining everything? That's almost all they ever do these days for most things.
>> No. 19222 [Edit]

Me too. Well, I have XP in a VM on Linux Mint just in case I want to run a game or something that Wine can't handle. Still, for an 11-year-old OS, it does pretty much everything I need it to do.
>> No. 19224 [Edit]
Yeah I hate updates unless they're actually adding something usefully.
>> No. 19249 [Edit]
almost everyone in Lucky Star is left handed, wtf
>> No. 19256 [Edit]
Really? I didn't know. I didn't eve know that there were any south paws on that show.
>> No. 19262 [Edit]
Do console companies plan the slim version of a console first, but release a more inferior one just to make more money later?
>> No. 19263 [Edit]
you serious?
They use the best technology availability at the time(more or less), then when the parts get cheaper and smaller, they release cheaper and smaller versions of their consoles.
and fyi, slim versions aren't always better than lunch versions. In the case of ps3 for example, the original versions were the best with each one after being a downgrade.
>> No. 19264 [Edit]
Yeah, only Patty and Konata are not (and Konata's ambidextrous).

I thought for a bit that left-handedness is common in Japan (if you've ever written Japanese in the traditional orientation you notice your hand may drag through the wet sumi if you're right handed) but no, statistically Lucky Star is incredibly unrealistic.
>> No. 19279 [Edit]
I had read that left handedness is quite disencouraged in China and Japan and children are forced to write right-handed only(this last seems more common in China), also heard from left-handed foreigners natives were oftenly amazed by how they were even able to write hanzi/kanji with the left hands at all.
And while it's true what you've said about writing in traditional orientation, as a left-handed person I feel the direction of most horizontal strokes is quite optimized for right-handers, as it's easier to keep stability when moving towards your arm rather than away from it.
Now it makes me ponder why did they stick with stroke orders which favour the right handed but writing orientation that favours the left handed. Some deep zen yin-yang shit, man.
>> No. 19284 [Edit]

Yeah, I wouldn't know anything about that. I just assumed like the companies would do that because I never really understood why they would release a "better" version of the same console. I guess I thought that way because of the 4 versions of PSPs there are. 1000, 2000, 3000... and Go..
>> No. 19286 [Edit]
I've been noticed Chinese people are treated as sort of below Japanese and Korean people. And lets face it, they are.
>> No. 19309 [Edit]
Society is just a series of hat changes, no ideology matches reality and even the most purportedly liberal person will approve of making certain people the underclass.
>> No. 19312 [Edit]
When people are allowed to vote for leaders, they always seem to vote for the ones that will give them free stuff from the government at the expense of other tax payers. Does that mean democracy is a form of implicit socialism? Either it is or I'm just a cretin who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>> No. 19314 [Edit]
That's how I vote and it's just simple self-interest, not socialism.
>> No. 19323 [Edit]
The most liberal people seem bent on making themselves the underclass. Well, here in the US at least, where the most liberal people are middle class and saddled with white guilt. Whether this compulsion would stem from trying to assay their crippling white guilt or from longing for a more "authentic", less privileged life, I'm unsure. Probably a healthy mix of the two in most cases.
This is my impression, at least. I'm hardly educated in the subjects that relate to this.
>> No. 19409 [Edit]
I had amassed approx. 4000 e-books. Now I've deleted about half of them, but still a lot remains to get rid of. According to my estimations, I won't read more than 500 books in the next ten years.
In a way, this makes me sad. There's so much I'll never know. I'll have to prioritize my learnings, decide what's important and what isn't.
>> No. 19414 [Edit]
>In a way, this makes me sad. There's so much I'll never know.
This is why libraries make me sad. It reminds me of how worthless I am.
>> No. 19560 [Edit]
If there's no friction or air resistance in space, why can't a object with a propulsion system gradually and continuously accelerate faster and faster and eventually travel faster than light? What's holding it back?
>> No. 19566 [Edit]
I heard that mass increases (slightly) with speed, so the faster you're going, the harder you become to propel.

But I haven't studied physics in years, so I don't really know.
>> No. 19567 [Edit]
I think thats the correct answer (i only did high school physics though). As you continue to add energy to an object travelling near light speed, the object "stores" this energy as an increase of mass rather than an increase in velocity. This can be understood from the famous Einstein equation e = mc², ( energy = mass * speed of light squared ) in this case becoming m = e/c². Energy and mass are just different forms of the same thing. When you pump more energy into an object to make it go faster that energy is translated into mass. -some dude on yahoo answers
>> No. 19591 [Edit]
Stephen Hawking did a documentary several years ago about this kind of thing. I think it was Stephen Hawking's Universe, but I can't remember. It covered stuff like this and was very interesting. Go check it out.

As you approach the speed of light, some shit happens and the time around you slows down. Like a clock on a plane going near the atmosphere will have a different time to a clock that was just kept on the ground. I can't remember relativity theory that well.

Post edited on 25th Dec 2012, 8:47am
>> No. 19706 [Edit]
I wonder if people were actually honest and sincere in the old days or if people have always been cynical pricks and thought that the horrible things they did were done 'ironically' for shits and giggles.
>> No. 19707 [Edit]
They were done because it couldn't be helped.
>> No. 19713 [Edit]
When people rail against "the rich", does it occur to them that they themselves (and their families, friends, etc.) are included therein too?...
>> No. 19714 [Edit]
Most people who hate the rich don't view themselves as rich by comparison, even if they're rich by comparison to people in third world countries, or even the poor/homeless in their own country. they just don't think about or care about those people.
>> No. 19960 [Edit]
Why do they assume a line is a collection of points? Clearly, where two lines intersect, a point is created, but was the point of intersection already there? We cannot even talk about that point, without giving a description of it, so why assume it's something basic?
>> No. 19987 [Edit]
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Short answer:
So the line has no thickness.

Longest answer:
1. So the definition 4 in Euclid's Elements has some sense, since previously he only stated that the ends of finite lines were points.
2. So we can conceptually arrive to the general function L of any given straight line, by which the very 2-dimensional object can be understood as the subset of points of the plane that results from the cartesian product of the real numbers with themselves, and which relation is given by that very function y=L(x) (i.e. L={(x,y)/y=mx,m∈Q} ⊂ R^2). In consequence, by such new aproach and definition, it can be later proven that the line, just like any n-dimensional trajectory and finite collections of dots, is a zero content set on his space (i.e. something without any "thickness" indeed, be it area, volume or nth-hypervolume).

The more you know...
Note that this does NOT imply that the line is a sequence of points (not even infinite) and that believing such thing would be a nonsense, since no continuity (the main property of a line and any given trajectory) can be obtained by putting in discrete order, one right next to the other, a bunch of things with no extension at all (namely: points). Thus, another property is needed to complete the line with only points; not even density alone can do it, since Q is a dense set alright (i.e. there's always a rational between any two given rationals) but there are constructible numbers which hence should be in the (real) line but can't be reached by quotients (e.g. √2). What is needed to complete the continuum, and which makes line the universal representation of real numbers, is the least upper bound property, thus acknowledged and set in stone as THE real numbers' Completeness Axiom.

Post edited on 10th Jan 2013, 10:08pm
>> No. 21072 [Edit]
Reflection is not rotation, somewhat counter-intuitively. This fact still makes me uneasy and frustrated: I'm certain about it, yet somehow I still feel a slight sense of falsity.
Someone should make a game, where certain teleports not only translate and rotate you, but also reflect. For you, it would appear you arrived to the mirror image of the world you started in. Where you had to turn left, you would have to turn right, &vv. For others, the weapon which was in your right hand, would be in your left hand from then. Both effects would be reverted by passing through that portal once again.
>> No. 21073 [Edit]
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>Reflection is not rotation, somewhat counter-intuitively.
And that's why intuition (let alone feminine intuition) isn't worth a dim.

You might have figured it out already. However: you think of it as a rotation because, "intuitively", you can very well rotate a papercut to such effect in the 3D space where you and me belong alright; but that's not the case with the 2D figure or graphic of the function you're really dealing with: for a 2D entity, to do such thing as "flying away and landing the other side" would be like... dunno, sorcery, bullshit, opening its chakras with LSD or some shit. Despite reflection being a rigid transformation, it's impossible to get a mirror version of a 2D figure with any composition of 2-dimensional rotation functions; it's like how, in 3D, you can ideally spin any way you like without compromising the integrity of your body, but I'd like you to tell me how to turn you bilateral left side into your right one and vice versa without something like magic, as you already kind of pointed out yourself.

However, there was another guy who failed to see that flying papercuts cannot constitute a 2D formal proof for anything: Euclid, when trying to prove the proposition about congruent triangles, if I remember correctly.
>> No. 21078 [Edit]
Why did people ever think domesticating elephants for warfare was a good idea? Seemingly every second battle involving them ends up with the enemy faction scaring the elephants via horns or chariots and ends up with them going completely berserk, trampling all over their allies. Really now.
>> No. 21567 [Edit]
Browsing depressing forums like /so/ will not help you. It will not make you stronger. All it will do is poison your brain. Surrounding yourself with other people who agree and encourage your pessimism and self-wallowing can only do bad things.
>> No. 22073 [Edit]
I read in a book about logic, that two objects are equal, when their properties are exactly the same. (Russell seems to have agreed.)
I'm not sure if we can accept this definition, as it is self-referent. Let there be two objects, A and B. In one of possible worlds, A and B match in every property, except for "being equal to A", which holds for A, but doesn't hold for B. Conversely, we cannot conclude A=B, before assuming A=B (as "A=_" is a property by itself), making any inference of object equality trivial.
So Wittgenstein was right, equality is not between objects, but between formulae; equality is a metalingual relation.
>> No. 22074 [Edit]
On a slightly related note, the Morning Star is not the Evening Star. If I said "Today at 4AM, I saw the Evening Star.", you would correct me, as you should, indicating the two cannot be interchanged.
>> No. 22463 [Edit]
Considering how powerful modern day computers are, and how advanced ai is becoming along with our understanding of other cultures and their languages... why can't machines produce proper translations worth a damn yet?

Is it really so hard to make a program that can understand the context of words in a sentence based off the other words in the same sentence to create a translation rather than just translating each individual word on it's own? Is modern day computing technology really incapable of analyzing a combination of words and determining the most logical meaning of those words for a different language?
>> No. 22674 [Edit]
When someone uses a straw man argument, stop reading immediately. He either has bad logic, didn't research enough, or wants to deceive you.
>> No. 22675 [Edit]
Those that go out of their way to appear intellectual or educated to others, particularly on the internet, are generally insecure about their own cognitive abilities (and for good reason). To be clear, I'm not bashing this thread, as only a couple people here are really guilty of this.
>> No. 22683 [Edit]

Being insecure and having self esteem issues doesn't really have much to do with one's cognitive abilities.
>> No. 22688 [Edit]
What are you even going on about? I only mentioned insecurity in regards to intellectual capacity, not self-esteem as a whole. The point I was trying to make was that people that like to portray themselves as highly intelligent/educated tend to be:

A) Of near-average intellectual ability and wisdom
B) Insecure about it

This is saying nothing of their security or their self-esteem in any other 'area'. The idea is that legitimately intelligent people (as opposed to those simply putting up a facade) don't feel the need to keep proving or reaffirming their supposed intellectual talents to everyone else, especially to strangers over the internet.
>> No. 22694 [Edit]
if you are going to open every post you make with "What are you even going on about?" you may as well just become a namefag, it sticks out like a sore thumb ever to someone of near-average intellectual ability and wisdom like myself.
>> No. 22696 [Edit]
That's literally the second time I've ever used the phrase, and the third time I've seen it on the site to my knowledge. Are you actually so upset about my calling out your strawman arguments that you're going to resort to whining about something as trivial as that?

Post edited on 8th Aug 2013, 6:18pm
>> No. 22701 [Edit]
I'm one of the guys who said 'What are you even going on about?' recently, and that was the first time I said it in a while on T-C. What are you even going on about is a fairly common phrase anon, not like everyone who says it is the same person.

Post edited on 9th Aug 2013, 1:51am
>> No. 22705 [Edit]

>The idea is that legitimately intelligent people don't feel the need to keep proving or reaffirming their supposed intellectual talents to everyone else, especially to strangers over the internet.

And I'm saying that's a bullshit generalization based on nothing but your own imagination (or at very best your own limited experience). Considering where you are I think explaining it with self esteem issues is a rather safe bet.
>> No. 22706 [Edit]
>limited experience
I'm curious as to what makes you think your own experiences are less limited than mine. I've been a hikikomori with far too much time to spare for a good decade now. It's nothing to be proud of, but I've seen more than enough "pseudo-intellectuals" (for lack of a better term) pushed and called out on their facades over the years to be pretty confident that they're not even a fraction as educated as they believe themselves to be. There are exceptions to every rule, and I'm sure there are more general 'self-esteem issues' to take into consideration on TC than other places on the internet, but it doesn't make the site immune to the type of shmuck I described above.

Again, I'm not bashing the thread. I've participated in it prior to this myself. Some people (two?) just seem more intent on talking about themselves than actually discussing or pondering anything.

Post edited on 9th Aug 2013, 1:26pm
>> No. 23061 [Edit]
What do you think /tc/?

Can we think without language?
What's the purpose of silence?
Do we need bodies to love (or live at all)?
Where does truth lay (language or the world)?
Where does true love lay (the thought or the world)?
>> No. 23117 [Edit]
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"Maybe any serious communication between two people is useless. Even when they're outright lying, people only hear what really want to hear or what they're capable of hearing, which often holds very little resemblance with what is actually said..."

I've found this to be probably the most important and persistent problem within the human condition. Not injustice, not violence, not the failure of any meaningful category but the problem of them really computing at all. The problem of communication. The problem of language, as an alleged bridge between one and the others, between one and the world. And I sincerely feel utterly lost about it; I thought the only thing that could bring some hope was anonymity, but I was utterly wrong: I'm usually just as misunderstood in these kind of places as I am everywhere else; and I guess the same goes for the others: I do not understand you either (how could I possibly?). We're all echoing the same chants on each one's heads and imposing them on others each time we allegedly identify with someone else, be it a living person, an author or a character. This is just damned sad and disheartening... allow me to finish the previous quote:

"I've been wondering... whether love is something I'm really capable of."

...or what could it mean at all, other than the soliloquy of the waifu. I don't know what I want to be but I just know that I don't want to be like this anymore. I don't want to be this "human" thing anymore, as it persists to be, because:

"I can't tell what is real"
----Paul Weston ("In Treatment")

And just deciding nothing is... well... left me in this place, where I'm bounded to fall into nonsense, into nothing, into this artifact of me babbling myself to death.

Is there anybody out there?
Who are you?
>> No. 23118 [Edit]
The fact that people can not fully understand each other doesn't mean there is no value in communicating or that human relationships are worthless. Its still worth it, even Shinji accepted this in the end.
>> No. 23121 [Edit]
Life is a joke.
>> No. 23126 [Edit]
How nihilist.
>> No. 23131 [Edit]

Not necessarily. I agree with >>23121 but it doesn't mean the joke has to be on you. Taking life seriously is a surefire way to make yourself miserable. You're supposed to laugh along.
>> No. 23181 [Edit]
Repeat after me: Breasts and uteruses and penises are not sexual. Sociology distinguishes between biological reproductive organs and sexual acts. Breasts may be considered a sex signifier on female-coded people, but they are not actually for sex. Society makes them about sex by emphasizing the purpose of breasts in titillating men, but in actuality breasts are just lumps of fat and muscle that excrete milk. Penises, likewise, aren’t there just for sex: people with penises use them to pee. And people with uteruses who have periods often like to make jokes about how they want to violently remove their uteruses, because they seriously suck. Notice what all these body parts have in common? That’s right. They are not about sex.
--- Texts From Walpurgis Night

To think that this was written by a woman left my mind in blank. To realize she's a lesbian put me back together.
>> No. 23183 [Edit]
That isnt anything groundbreaking, everyone learns that stuff growing up.
I might as well start writing down really basic observations and stamp my name on it, so jizzbags online will quote me and maybe earn me some dosh.
>> No. 23185 [Edit]
that wasn't the point but ok: give it a shot. I'll read you shit.
>> No. 23187 [Edit]

Funny, I picked up some random compilation of Oscar Wilde's plays when I was at the library a couple weeks ago and...

I was on the point of explaining to Gerald that the world has always laughed at its own tragedies, that being the only way in which it has been able to bear them. And that, consequently, whatever the world has treated seriously belongs to the comedy side of things.

Always nice to randomly find your thoughts expressed in literature. In a way better manner of course.
>> No. 23190 [Edit]
Tragedy and Comedy are twin children of Poetry. Haruhi knows who's the evil one though.

"I don't know if this is a comedy or a tragedy, but in any case is a masterpiece" ---Haruhiard
>> No. 23191 [Edit]
well that was unexpected
>> No. 23268 [Edit]
why are people from earth always called 'humans' in scifi when pretty much every other race is named after their home planet?
>> No. 23269 [Edit]
The same reason people from the USA are called "americans" when pretty much every other nationality is named after its home country, I guess.
>> No. 23270 [Edit]
Don't aliens call us earthlings?
>> No. 23271 [Edit]
Because it emphasizes the fact that they are non-human.
>> No. 23272 [Edit]
What else would you call people from the united states of america? u.s.a.ers?
>> No. 23273 [Edit]
In both spanish and portuguese there are common words, roughly equivalent to "unitedstatian", to describe US nationals. It would get messy should United States of Africa ever materialize, but then, so would "USA".
>> No. 23275 [Edit]
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Oh for fuck's sake.

America is not a continent. North America is a continent. South America is a continent. Together, they are called "the Americas".

"America" by itself is a country. Its people are called Americans. These words don't mean anything else. Please let this retarded "durhur but Canada and Mexico are part of America too!!!!1" factoid die already.

Fucking hell.
>> No. 23276 [Edit]
So then, "British" only refers to the English then?
>> No. 23277 [Edit]
Yeah pretty much. You wouldn't call something Scottish "British".

Or at least I wouldn't.
>> No. 23278 [Edit]

The terminology there is more complex and FAR more contentious. See In any case, it's a totally different context. The closest equivalent would be referring to a person from the Republic of Ireland as British just because Ireland (the island) is part of the "British Isles".

Would you really call someone from Canada an American? No, because they'd think you're a moron. "American" unambiguously refers to people from the United States of America.
>> No. 23280 [Edit]
>America is not a continent.
Never said it was.

>"America" by itself is a country.
Merriam-Webster partly disagrees

Bit of a language tangent, but it is of note that in spanish and portuguese "América" is indeed a continent, no nitpicking about the plural "s" either.
>> No. 23343 [Edit]
I dream about a women-less world.
I really, really, really do.
>> No. 23344 [Edit]
I'd rather live in a world where sex and masturbation harm your health than one where swabbing the inner year does.
My hopes for our transhuman future is precisely the development of a new ear which not only is not harmed by the act, but which presents a greater sensibility to the soft cotton touch, being able to elevate us to an yet unknown state of pure climax, sensual experience and intimacy both with oneself and the world; twice, once for each ear. Also, no yellow-ish wax, it looks gross. Maybe everyone could chose what color their wax would be.
Not only that, but the vulgar contortions and abrasions of penetrative sex would be replaced by the gentle and pure resting on your lovers' lap as s/he tends to your ear, then you his/hers, and yet again from the beginning for the other ear. A lot more symmetric too, that's good.
>> No. 23346 [Edit]
that'd be pretty gay
>> No. 23347 [Edit]
I wouldn't go that far. I dream of a world where they all simply act like and identify as regular human beings, instead of a self-entitled faction that both plays the victim and accepts favoritism in the same breath.
>> No. 23348 [Edit]
Now this guy, he's got the right idea.
>> No. 23350 [Edit]
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Just like dinosaurs and fern forests had to disappear in order to become the oil and carbon we use, women should go extinct so their insidious presence can be completely overwritten with their image in our heads, which is the actual fuel for our dreams and nightmares of love.
>> No. 23356 [Edit]
Both women and men are pieces of shit.
>> No. 23357 [Edit]

Always good to see somebody who is smart enough to forget about misogyny and fully embrace superior misanthropic beliefs.
>> No. 23358 [Edit]
Oh so us smelly neckbearded master race can shuffle around like mindless zombies doing nothing but aging until the inevitable decline and erasure of the species? Yeah sounds great I'd love to live in a world with no internet, electricity, or food.

I can get on board with entering 2D but this shit's pretty mindless.
>> No. 23361 [Edit]
I really hope you're not implying that believing that women shouldn't receive special treatment for simply being born female qualifies as 'misogyny'. I see enough of that dreck outside of TC.
>> No. 23362 [Edit]

Nah, it's you who actually distinguishes between men and women. Human beings are all equally shit regardless of their gender.
>> No. 23363 [Edit]
Swing and a miss.

I'll agree that humans are all shitty, but I don't think you're grasping what you're even replying to. An individual person's opinions on each gender has absolutely nothing to do with how they're treated as a social class.
>> No. 23364 [Edit]
If you get into an accident and some paramedics hall you away in a ambulance without your permission, couldn't it be considered a form of kidnapping? Could it not also be considered a form of extortion when they bill you for services you didn't ask for or were unable to refuse? (like if you were knocked out)
>> No. 23369 [Edit]
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So it was true, Shinden: you really suck...

The point was precisely about finally fulfilling love with technology, replacing flesh with number, towards becoming ourselves something better than panting, aging and idiotically breeding beasts. Power and knowledge belong to men; women, as such, are mere troublesome sex toys and incubators that bleed on the Moon's command: they're way too "natural"/animalistic, thus a burden for posthumanity; so the point is to eradicate them and substitute them with dolls, AI, eugenics and such, rendering gender roles as entirely social, as a first step to abolish our disgusting biological condition. To live up actual love stories, we must first aim it towards actual characters and finally become actual characters ourselves.
>> No. 23380 [Edit]
Not my own thought, but I felt like sharing,

Until you value yourself, you won't value your time. Until you value your time, you won't do anything with it.
>> No. 23393 [Edit]
I feel like that song about the fox was written by a furry. It's possible that the person asked what sound it made on some message board and got joke responses, then made a song out of it. Then again, I'm pretty much just making a bunch of stupid guesses.
>> No. 23397 [Edit]
What song is this?
>> No. 23398 [Edit]
That popular song called The Fox (What does the fox say?).

Some people take it as satire. I was just taking it from a serious point in that last post, but I dunno what to think of it. It's too much effort to actually put thought into that though.
>> No. 24130 [Edit]
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Asked Cleverbot about my thesis.
Didn't help much.
>> No. 24133 [Edit]
I wonder how hard it would be to sneak popcorn into a movie theater. Popcorn that hasn't gotten stale during the trip there mind you.
>> No. 24135 [Edit]
Buying the popcorn at the movie theatre?
>> No. 24136 [Edit]
You can hide the popcorn in your anus/vagina or just swallow the whole package without opening it and going to the bathroom to retrieve it in the middle of the film.
Works for coke, why shouldn't it work for popcorn?
>> No. 24140 [Edit]
The Taylor Swift song "You Belong With Me" could be interpreted as Death lamenting someone deciding not to suicide. Or, as Life stealing someone away from Death. Here are some excerpts that support this interpretation.

>You're on the phone with your 3DPD, she's upset
>She's going off about something that you said
People tend to get upset when someone announces suicidal ideation.

>'Cause she doesn't get your humor like I do.
This suicidal person clearly has gallows humor

>Dreamin' 'bout the day when you wake up and find
>That what you're looking for has been here the whole time
>If you could see that I'm the one who understands you
>Been here all along, so why can't you see
>You belong with me?
>You belong with me
>Walkin' the streets with you and your worn out jeans
>I can't help thinkin' this is how it ought to be
>Laughin' on a park bench, thinkin' to myself
>Hey, isn't this easy?
Self explanatory. Especially, the "hey, isn't this easy?" A desire to take it easy more than anyone else has ever easyed it before is a possible reason to kill yourself.

>And you've got a smile that could light up this whole town
>I haven't seen it in a while since she brought you down
>You say you're fine, I know you better than that
>Hey, what ya doin' with a girl like that?
Suicidal people tend to get happier when they make plans to kill themselves. The song's subject clearly rejected suicide, and is now miserable again. Death laments the subject's choice to "date" Life.

>I'm the one who makes you laugh, when you know you're 'bout to cry
Same concept as above. Gallows humor. Suicide is funny when you think about how sweet it's going to be.
>I know your favorite songs, and you tell me 'bout your dreams
She knows you listen to The Cure.
>Think I know where you belong, think I know it's with me
Death is increasingly showing her controlling demeanor.

Post edited on 12th Jun 2014, 6:12pm
>> No. 24142 [Edit]
buying food from a movie theater? you must be mad!
>> No. 24143 [Edit]
I guess I am. I find that it has a larger selection of loose weight candy, shit's expensive though.
>> No. 24144 [Edit]
Something I noticed on my drive home today.
All cars come in colors that can be divided up into 5 groups. White which is the one I noticed the most of, black and other really dark colors, silver/grey and similar looking tones like really light browns. There's variations of red and finally the very rare 'other' including yellow, pink, green, or multiple colors. For the most part it's like they made cars with modern shooter games in mind.
It's sad but there's absolutely no personality to most cars on the road unless they're somehow related to a business.
>> No. 24152 [Edit]
The paramedics took you away in their ambulance and provided you with medical treatments 'in good faith', therefore it isn't extortion.
>> No. 24153 [Edit]
Then they shouldn't throw a fit when you can't afford to pay their unreasonable fees.
>> No. 24160 [Edit]
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Been trying to find some fair points of view about fathers' lust for their daughters (not the other way around, which is usually referred to the Electra Complex), but all I've found is christian rants (and poems!) against it plus a bit of erotica. Scholar Google results seem to focus on cases of rape and psychological treatment of the victims, rather than offering a purely analytical view on the lust itself. Maybe I should go look at the university's online catalog, for this isn't taking me anywhere.
>> No. 24164 [Edit]
Give me some search words and I'll look it up.
>> No. 24166 [Edit]
Try Laius complex. The object isn't specifically gendered but the phenomenon's probably the same.
>> No. 24171 [Edit]
What the hell does "edgy" mean, exactly, in the context of otaku imageboards and why is it abused ad nauseam as an insult?
>> No. 24172 [Edit]
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Sort of like chuunibyou syndrome. Someone young who thinks they're dark and unique and got the world all figured out.
>> No. 24173 [Edit]
It's another unwarranted way to call you pretentious.

You make a post that shows certain knowledge, and some people who do not have that knowledge hurt in their pride and react calling you a fake.

Notice that the people who do know about the matter and legitimately disagree with you, do not use such roundabouts and directly refute your claims instead, or at least start discussing them in appropriate terms.
>> No. 24174 [Edit]
If you don't have some activity or hobby you enjoy, if you do nothing enjoyable each day, you are effectively only waiting. Perhaps you're not depressed, but you aren't happy either. You don't actively seek to make anything occur in your life, so the next event to break the monotony will occur for reasons outside your control.

But what will that event be? You can't tell. What you can know is this asymmetry: there's no guarantee of any good events in your future, but there is a guarantee of a bad one (and high likelihood of more than one). Before you die you will probably become sick many times. Perhaps the next event will be a bout of food poisoning - you'll be vomiting into a toilet bowl wondering what the point of such suffering is when you don't really enjoy anything in life anyway. Maybe the last event will be a cancer diagnosis, or the emotional suffering that generally precedes a suicide.

So relearn how to enjoy the things you used to, or search for some new hobby you like. It can be watching anime, playing video games, bike riding, cooking, anything. If you don't, life is only monotony interspersed with periods of suffering.
>> No. 24175 [Edit]
>relearn how to enjoy the things
Sometimes it can be as simple, other times it's not. I do believe it's possible to experience a (possibly) life changing impulse, but it's insanely hard to act upon it in seclusion. That's from personal experience, anyway.

Sometimes I do wonder how healthy people can revolve around so little, when they have the means to rule the world.
>> No. 24238 [Edit]
'edgy' is something that attempts to take unthinkable risks and push boundaries. Something almost rebellious meant to offend and invoke strong emotions in people. Problem is nothing professionally made that claims to be or tries to be edgy ever really is, it's always calculated and planed by a team of professionals who are taking anything but a risk. For example, call of duty thinks it's being edgy when they have you gun down innocent people at an airport or show a child being blown up. These are little more than crys for attention from something as generic as can be, which is what most 'edgy' things ultimately amount to. This is applicable to people as well. When called out on it many will simply act like pretentious pricks and claim no one understands them or the things they like; Much like emo/goth kids or even beatniks. As >>24172 stated 'edgy' things are typically something popular with adolescents desperate for a sense of individuality.
>> No. 24380 [Edit]
I wonder if conspiracy theory videos are made by individuals, or if there are organizations dedicated to their production.

Videos like
for instance.
>> No. 24425 [Edit]
What's the point of getting a girl's number when you don't know anything about her? I see it a lot in tv and film but do guys really expect a girl to fuck some random stranger she's never seen just because he called her on the phone?
>> No. 24426 [Edit]
>do guys really expect a girl to fuck some random stranger
They actually do that. Never heard of a one night stand?
>> No. 24427 [Edit]
yeah but with a phone call you have no idea if the guy is some old ugly fatass.
>> No. 24430 [Edit]
I'm fairly sure "getting a girl's number" means hitting on her in a bar/party/whatever and convince her to hand over her number so he can get in touch with her. I don't know, maybe everything's on facebook now.
>> No. 24624 [Edit]
Today, I think I had a revelation.
I think normals like talking to each other because they do things that give them a sense of accomplishment. And thus, they have things to talk about.

I don't like talking to people because I have no accomplishments and therefore nothing to say, and so talking to people uses up time I could be using to try and do something that makes me feel like I'm a sack of shit. However, because I am a sack of shit, it takes me an inordinate amount of time to do something and inevitably fail. And then I have nothing to talk about with people because I can't do anything.

Another day waiting to die...
>> No. 24625 [Edit]
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I don't really think "It's all boasting about your various achievements." is a very encompassing view of why people would talk to each other. Probably a kernel of truth to it though; when I last met some of my old acquaintances from school times they mostly discussed some real esoteric tech research one of them was doing for some fancy university title thesis and various get-rich-quick schemes.
But eventually things did turn to the dreaded "So what have you been up to?" which deflected things to a pleasant conversation on the latest news in Chinese cartoons, physics, and hot 2hu tips after some slightly shocking concern over me "not doing anything with my life." (Were they always the kind of people to worry about stuff like that?)

So I guess my latest singular sample of anecdotal non-evidence on social interactions in "normal people" partly does confirm that having to prove something about your undeniably high societal status and wealth might well be a very common part of the formula, but also that reasonable and potentially enlightening discussion about things and not people is likely at least somewhat commonly had.

Everyone agreed we should meet up again. Haven't seen or heard anything of anyone in well over a year once again.
Maybe next summer will be one of those. Or the one after. Or maybe not.

Hard to keep track of how many it's been lately. Maybe that was actually this year for all I know.
How old am I really?
Don't think about it. Just go play one of them video games or something.
>> No. 25224 [Edit]
I can't stay interested in things.
Inevitably, after a few days of doing something, I get existential about it and wonder why I'm even doing it and I lose interest. If I look up discussion about something online, this happens immediately. I think looking up stuff online ruins my interest mostly because I see all the other related things people recommend and I get overwhelmed by how arbitrary my choice of activity is.

I downloaded Touhou 13 yesterday and this already happened.
>> No. 25225 [Edit]
Man, tell me about it...

I can't even remember the last time I finished a game / book / anime. I just lose interest way too fast these days. Everything's just so pointless.
>> No. 25323 [Edit]
Of all the kinds of people on Earth, the nouveau riche might be one of the worst.
>> No. 25324 [Edit]
Thank god the increasing social inequality of our times and the decline of the middle class mean that those will get rarer and rarer as time goes by.
>> No. 25340 [Edit]
Why are pedophiles considered to be automatically evil? It's not like they had a choice in what they feel attracted to, I feel like it's similar to being gay.

You aren't doing anything wrong by just being attracted to children. Yet if you told normies you're a pedo, even though you would never try to act on it, majority would likely want to send you to a prison.
>> No. 25342 [Edit]
Because Ford Drivers do not understand the difference between pedophiles and child molesters. They see the two as synonyms, and refuse to believe that it's possible to have a sexual attraction without acting on it (particularly if the person in question is male).

Psychologically speaking, the events that lead to being a pedophile are no different than the ones that create homosexuality (being born with an abnormal sexual orientation)- but trying to explain any of this, no matter how calmly or simply, will just get you labeled as a child molester or a "child molester sympathizer" in any situation involving Ford Drivers.
>> No. 25345 [Edit]
Contrasting with homosexuality, maybe it's a PR problem more than anything. And understandably so I suppose. Removed from religious motivations it seems insane that anyone would think it a good idea to limit the freedom of adult people to have whatever kind of relationship with whatever other persons they want to (as long as none of them are against the idea) based on ultimately arbitrary notions of gender-appropriate behavior.

But factoring in all the complexity that comes with counting in non-adult people, right in the middle of the most rapid phases of development humans go through, with potentially huge individual disparity in relevant physical and mental maturity at all points, it's just nowhere near the same amount of clear-cut. So there's little chance for a really cohesive movement on the side of anything related to pedophilia to form. "Maybe don't vilify and dehumanize people based on thoughts they have that you find disturbing, because having thoughts and feelings isn't the same as acting on them." just isn't that catchy.

I suppose NAMBLA for one takes a stronger more dramatic stance than that, but even then they don't have any easy answers either, and when people get so emotional about THE CHILDREN—understandably, perhaps—calling for a complex and nuanced discussion on how any law on things like age of consent ultimately has to be somewhat arbitrary and any judgment, sex-related or not, should always be based on the individuals involved in any given case... I mean, on the face of it that premise sounds quite reasonable to me personally, with my European hyperlibrul mentally ill completely removed from reality faggot values. But man-boy, am I glad I'm never planning to try my hand at representing any part of NAMBLA's views in any official capacity, because I would obviously only be saying any of it because I want to, nay, I MUST RAPE THEIR CHILDREN.

Of course the numbers being probably notably lower (But I don't really know. Nor do I know that anyone really knows, due to the baggage of the mere question.) than homosexuality probably is also a big factor in pedophilia remaining so alien to culture at large. And I'm sure trying to build a cultural community around repressing sexuality—especially for non-religious reasons—would be a much harder proposition than one focusing on affirming and expressing a formerly maligned and forcibly repressed flavor of sexuality.

I guess it's just a dauntingly nuanced issue shadowed by a high perceived risk of CHILDREN GETTING HURT with the negatively affected a relatively tiny and fiercely—whether largely unjustly or not—vilified minority. A world where there remain a non-trivial number of people who think the color of your skin determines your moral character probably isn't collectively ready to even consider the existence of a shadow of a possibility of treating pedophiles like humans instead of monster-shaped targets, much less challenge any norms on what should be considered harmful, or indeed that non-harmful behavior could even exist within the sphere of pedophilia.
>> No. 25348 [Edit]
>> No. 25353 [Edit]
That people think attraction to and raping a child are synonymous might actually indicate that they have problems themselves. I mean, do they find it difficult to keep themselves from raping other adults? Their assumption indicates so, and that they assume everyone else has such difficulty.
I think this is what goes on in the mind of a normal:
"If I couldn't ever have sex consensually I would want to rape someone. If I could get away with it, I would do it. I am attracted to adults but if I attempt to rape one they will tell the police and/or fight back. Pedophiles can't have sex consensually, and children can be raped with less fear of being caught. If I were a pedophile I would probably rape children, so I think most/all pedophiles are child molestors."
This kind of thinking is why wise men in the past invented the idea of divine punishment. Because normals only avoid crime because they fear punishment, and they are driven by base instincts.
>> No. 25356 [Edit]
Well in Canada it is up to the judge what is illegal and what isn't because "imaginary people are people too". That was literally the Supreme Court verdict banning lolicon. So far only a couple of people have been charged/convicted for it and they were all really asking for it (one was a reservist at work, one commissioned 10000 shota pictures with his credit card, and one tried to bring dozens of movies and doujinshi across the border). I am not a pedo or a loli viewer so I should be OK, but if they ever try to arrest me for it I will sooner kill myself than go to court/prison. I keep poison pills in my pocket everywhere I go for that purpose. Granted, I'm a bit paranoid but I have social anxiety already without being accused of what many consider the most heinous crime.
>> No. 25359 [Edit]
He wasn't even talking about loli laws or politics or whatever.
>> No. 25360 [Edit]
Yes, but that law is a direct consequence of people thinking that pedophilia=child molestation. The law is essentially banning people from expression of pedophilia in any way, regardless of whether it actually hurts people. It is also worth noting that the law includes literature.
>> No. 25370 [Edit]
Not the same situation where I live, but I like to imagine I'd stand firm and calm and persuasive in the face of any obviously ridiculous accusations like that.

Kind of to a point where it looks megalomaniacally insane upon introspection. I would demonstrate to the people of the world how wrong they all are! Once and for all! For I am the most level-headed and cleverest thinker of all!
Anon, if they ever enact laws like that where I live, you have to mail me some of those poison pills before I say anything the entire rest of the human race will regret.
>> No. 25383 [Edit]
My poison pills are just 15000mg of caffeine so you should probably be able to get some.I would like to imagine I would stand tall under ridicule, but really pedophiles are by far the most hated demographic and a simple accusation is a death sentence, never mind a conviction.
>> No. 25401 [Edit]
>15000mg of caffeine
I wonder what taking that would feel like...?
>> No. 25402 [Edit]
It would probably be a pretty painful death
>> No. 25403 [Edit]
Internal bleeding, heart attack, seizures. Not so good.
>> No. 25527 [Edit]
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While women are urged to wear heels for beauty standards, they are not pushed to use these or those heels in particular within their range of consumption. So, despite its rienced coercive origin, there is a component within the use of heels that falls legitimately within the scope of personal choice, or (just like the reader before the author) of taste before fashion as an empowerment of the individual and the recapture of some freedom. However, heels, among other historically renowned examples of women's footwear, have the indisputable feature of preventing them from walking too far or too fast: to weaken a degree of mobility and power that they'd perfectly have if not using them. Thus, beyond their cosmetic function and their problems within that scope, heels are a clear example of the possibility of means of control being effectively disguised as means of expression and thus, in general, of the fully functional but essentially fraudulent status that even the most common signs can reach...

All this except in Kill La Kill, of course.
>> No. 25528 [Edit]
I think you're forgetting about cars. Women aren't restricted from traveling anywhere anymore than men are. It's just something for formal wear, not meant to be an everyday thing. Formal wear is always going to be impractical. In the real world women who are going to be on their feet a lot rarely wear stuff like that. It's no where near as common as anime/game/tv/movie make it seem. As with many tropes in those media it's only there because it looks good. Women don't all feel forced to wear them anymore than men feel forced to get sixpack abs simply because all the guys in the movies have them.
>> No. 25530 [Edit]
Haven't seen Kill la Kill so maybe that makes the above moot, but are you seriously saying heels are a sign of male patriarchy?
>> No. 25531 [Edit]
>Haven't seen Kill la Kill
Don't bother. It's nudist propaganda for casual anime fans.
>> No. 25532 [Edit]
He's saying that they handicap themselves, but by controlling the situation they appear/feel more attractive or "cool" for lack of a better word. Like peacocks.
>> No. 25535 [Edit]
Awesome way to put that, actually. Made me laugh.
>> No. 25548 [Edit]
Is being dishonest with yourself or others justified when some ideas and philosophies are just more intuitive and get better results?

Like, knowing what we know today, it's likely that free will does not exist, but the illusion of it is just so strong and visceral, that trying to think and act against it is counterproductive.

Or as less esoteric example: People who think, or are led to believe, that they stand for freedom and liberty, will have a much happier and productive life, even though in practice their actions don't reflect their views.

Is it justified to extend these 'personal' lies to society as a whole, for the same purpose?
>> No. 25551 [Edit]
I would say so. Just looking at historical examples can clearly show the benefits of some degree of "free will".
>> No. 25553 [Edit]
I think the genesis for "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" comes with an increasing mental weariness to unproductive tinkering that you tend to acquire as you age, making you more inclined to use "tried and true" methods.

A while back, I was going through learning Adobe After Effects for a project, but found myself frustrated that I was not picking up the interface after a few go-arounds. Everything seemed unintuitive and unexplained. Just as I was about to go back to Sony Vegas, it occurred to me that when I was a teenager, Sony Vegas and other tools were equally unintuitive and unexplained, but I just messed with them until I found a solution. So I waited until I had a vacation to pick to dedicate my time to messing around with After Effects with Google by my side, and now its slowly becoming second nature.

I also have this conflict with GIMP and Photoshop, in that I always use GIMP because I am familiar with its quirks, but its hardly ever failed me and it is more cross-platform than Photoshop, so I find sticking to it to be worth the time-sinks in various particularities of the software.

I feel this experience highlights the necessity of experimentation, which people often try to bypass with an increasingly dated knowledge of a skill. And the more you hold out, the rougher the paradigm shift will be when and if you finally try and challenge it.
>> No. 25729 [Edit]
I watched some videos and testimonials about how it is to be "high-functioning autistic" or aspie and whatnot. From all I saw, it seems like being a perfectly average person growing up in the highly competitive, alienating and information-overloaded postmodern world, rather than any neurological or cognitive group-specific condition (apart from always using an extremely victimizing and apologetic rhetoric). They really have to try harder with that autism spectrum popularization efforts of them, cause honestly it's a bunch of crap.
>> No. 25733 [Edit]
>> No. 25750 [Edit]
Yeah, that's a legit autist, not an aspie moron.
>> No. 25751 [Edit]
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There's something staggeringly beautiful about De Morgan laws.

They turn me on.
>> No. 25753 [Edit]
It's their inner symmetry.
>> No. 25771 [Edit]
Presumably these video testimonials are filmed by professionals in a manner that allows neurotypical people to relate to the individuals in question. This means mitigating the presentation of symptoms, whether by coaching or skilled filming and editing. It should not come as news to you that people permanently wear a "perception filter" that excludes some sources of information and privileges others. To publish the video without any photoshoppery will simply present a source of information that offends the viewer's perception filter, negating the purpose of the video.

>it seems like being a perfectly average person growing up in the highly competitive, alienating and information-overloaded postmodern world
>They really have to try harder with that autism spectrum popularization efforts of them, cause honestly it's a bunch of crap.
In the first you seem to be acknowledging the reality of their experience and in the second you seem to be denying it. Are you suggesting instead that they ought to be campaigning for a more sedate world to live in?
>> No. 25773 [Edit]
I think he's saying that there's a disparity between the message and the content of these videos.
>> No. 25777 [Edit]
No: in the first I acknowledged such gloomy lives as all of us contemporary citizens' general condition; in the second I bashed the videos presenting those hardships as aspie exclusive problems and pushing their image of a group with special needs. I don't disbelieve autism, I disbelieve aspies propaganda.

Here's one of the videos, so you can judge by yourself:
>> No. 25800 [Edit]
If 2d breaks the 4th wall, does it become 3d?
>> No. 25803 [Edit]
no it becomes 6th.
>> No. 25894 [Edit]
If heroin is so bad, why is it called hero win?
>> No. 25895 [Edit]
It's heroine originally, like female hero.
>> No. 25896 [Edit]
>From the Ancient Greek ἥρως (hḗrōs, “hero”, “demigod”).

The ine suffix just denotes it an alkaloid - caffeine, morphine, mescaline, amphetamine etc.
>> No. 26490 [Edit]
Love isn't really that different from being hungry, but no one makes songs about people being hungry.
>> No. 26491 [Edit]
I think that I've heard a Vocaloid song about hunger, but that was a long time ago so I'm unsure.
>> No. 26493 [Edit]
There's also a book called hunger/sult.
Hunger is easily satiated, at least in most places, so it's easy to forget terrible it is.

But why do people feel the need to make more love songs? Are they even trying to add something new? Really, I've always thought that the melody accompanies the lyrics and theme, but it's actually the other way around: the lyrics are simply there to make the music sound better, not to convey a meaningful message or feeling. Love songs are nothing more than rhyming words and a melody, and it's no better than singing scubbedy bubbedy slabbety wabbety.
>> No. 26502 [Edit]
I know one with a meaningful message: rack city bitch, rack rack city bitch, 10 10 10 20s on yo titties bitch...

Nevermind, I got nothing.

Post edited on 12th Mar 2015, 2:34am
>> No. 26536 [Edit]
Blind people don't see blackness, they just don't see shit.

I got to thinking about that in comparison to death.
The concept of nothingness is so lost on us that we can't understand it, or just flat refuse to believe it.
>> No. 26537 [Edit]
There's an album by psychostick that's almost nothing but songs about food and hunger
>> No. 26556 [Edit]
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No wonder my motivation is so shit.
>> No. 26568 [Edit]
Not even passion?
>> No. 26580 [Edit]
>> No. 26596 [Edit]
I'm no stranger to convoluted language in philosophy, but Heidigger seems to be really taking the cake with his Essays in Metaphysics. I've been following alright, I feel, but it's a real chore to read through some of this shit.
>> No. 26597 [Edit]
This venn diagram bugs me because the bubbles on the opposites can't be combined without atleast one of the other attributes.
Consider that you could be great at something the world needs and not be love or get paid for it.
>> No. 26600 [Edit]
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I think my life was more interesting when i didn't have a job and was neet. endless "free" time and no money led to creative efforts to entertain myself.

But in saying that, the constant burden of worrying about my future is lifted. Now I just need to figure out what to do with myself.
>> No. 26606 [Edit]
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I'm in the other boat at the moment. I'm dying to get a job. Nothing is fun any more, all I can think about while whittling away my time on games and anime is how unsure my financial future is. Sucks the fun out of everything.
>> No. 26608 [Edit]
>I'm dying to get a job. Nothing is fun any more

That sounds like me. I've applied for jobs but I'm still scared. I mean, what am I supposed to do if I get a job? Shovel dirt around, pass groceries though a checkout and shit like that? I don't know.
>> No. 26623 [Edit]
And I'm in the third situation of having a mind-numbing job that doesn't pay enough to actually move out. So I work all day hating my job then watch anime all night while this feeling of helplesness eats away at me.
>> No. 28006 [Edit]
Testicles are outside of the body because body-heat kills sperm right? So if you dunk your junk in warm/hot water for a few minutes before getting freaky would that negate the need for birth control?
>> No. 28007 [Edit]
Is doing this just a way to say "yes" or "I agree with this post" nowadays?
>> No. 28008 [Edit]
word son
>> No. 28009 [Edit]
The question Im more interested in is why the sperm making machinery didn't simply just evolve to work at a higher temperature
>> No. 28201 [Edit]
Scum normies being unable to conceive of the idea that sexual arousal does not translate into "I want to do this. I should do this if I'm ever able to" isn't that hard to imagine. I've seen loads of statements and sentiments that seem to indicate it from some of them.
>> No. 29023 [Edit]
Do transformers get car insurance or life insurance?
>> No. 29025 [Edit]
Is the only way to remain with pure intentions to have the mentality of a herd-like farm animal?
Existentialist emptiness and corruption abound
>> No. 29081 [Edit]
Why do people come back from baby changing stations with the same baby?
>> No. 30132 [Edit]
Why do people like Steve Jobs so much? People act like he's some revolutionary hero who changed the world and idolize him as such. Far as I know he was just the face of a company that produced overpriced fashionable electronics designed for morons.
>> No. 30141 [Edit]
Is death the end? What happens to our personalities, our memories, our thoughts, our feelings, our experiences and our sentience when we die?
>> No. 30142 [Edit]
I don't believe in gods in the traditional sense or an afterlife, but I do sometimes wonder if our consciousness is like an electrical field or something and our mind lives on after our body dies.
>> No. 30144 [Edit]
They simply die with your brain, presumably.

I would like to believe in the concept of a soul or something similar, but I honestly doubt anything like it exists.
>> No. 30574 [Edit]
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Do ojousama exist in reality? Just about every anime character type has it's real world counterpart it's based on, but are ojousama actually a thing? I've never seen or heard of one outside of anime. Real world rich people are fucking lame.
>> No. 30576 [Edit]
That's what I mean though. I know real people aren't as two dimensional as anime characters in personality, but you can still draw some parallels to the type of people they're based on, be it book worms or tomboys. With ojou vs real world stuck up rich skanks they're miles apart. It makes me wonder what ojousama are actually based on.
Real world rich women are slutty cunts who get shit faced drunk at parties around the world, and take part in drug fueled sex orgies with strangers while breaking every law in the book, knowing they'll get bailed out by daddy. How did it even become a thing to represent rich women as eccentric 18th century style debutantes? I'm not complaining, but it is a pretty big leap.
>> No. 30578 [Edit]
>that aren't really present in the west.
Aren't most ojou in anime represented as being foreigners though?
>> No. 30585 [Edit]
Technically yes, they do. I'm relatively sure the ojou-sama laugh comes from the stereotypical French laugh "oh hon hon hon" (Male example; 3D Warning - which is why it's almost invariably a western-looking person. It's also possible this was a common thing decades ago (Female example; Wizard of Oz; 3D Warning - and it just extrapolated from there to represent rich people who look down on others.
You're partially right. A lot of stereotypes are based upon constant anecdotes and a lot of people are quite one-dimensional in their behaviour. Tsunderes are very much a thing in real life, for example.
>> No. 30675 [Edit]
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If Spice and Wolf was set in modern times, Lawrence Kraft would be a truck driver.
>> No. 30676 [Edit]
So American adaptation of Spice and Wolf would be... Smokey and the Bandit?
>> No. 30686 [Edit]
Maybe, but your average truckers don't buy or sell the products they move. They just get paid to move things for a transport company. Said transport company meanwhile would be contracted by people like Lawrence to move his products for him. It's not unlikely though that he would buy his own truck to transport his own goods, but those trucks are expensive as fuck unlike a wood cart. Those trucks cost as much as houses, so it's more practical to pay for the transit so you can use that saved time to arrange other deals.
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How often do they drain pools in Japanese schools? Is this like a weekly or monthly thing? Never really thought about this till I got myself a house with a pool, but draining and filling a pool can be a real pain in the butt. The cost of all the water needed to fill one can be pretty high depending on your location.
>> No. 30702 [Edit]
You are supposed to use chemicals and natural additives to control the scum, and cover it in the fall and winter months from debris.

draining and filling a pool to clean it shouldn't be necessary, I wonder if the Japanese don't use filtration or chlorine?
>> No. 30707 [Edit]
our perception of japanese school life is probably pretty skewed. i doubt students get locked in the PE shed or attacked by youkai in IRL japanese school nearly as often as anime would lead us to believe. the pool cleaning thing might be overemphasized
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I was just now thinking about the trolley ethics problem. The one with five people on one track and one person on the other. It occurred to me, the obvious answer isn't to take the track with the one worker, it's to stay on the track with the five workers. Five workers means the people on that track are five times more likely to notice your trolley and get the fuck out of the way. The one guy on the other track might not hear/see you due to whatever he's doing and doesn't have a buddy or two with him to say "hey dude, a trolley is coming to fuck yo shit up bra, mights wanna move ya know". I guess part of the issue involves having a level of trust in your fellow man, you trusting them and them trusting each other to have their backs. Besides, if one or more see the trolley and run without helping the other workers, their death is on that dipshits hands not yours. What's he gonna do, say something like "yeah sure I ran, but like, well, shit, you should have gone down the other track and killed Jerry over there, you jackass." ?
>> No. 30714 [Edit]
An interesting take but what kills utilitarianism for me is the simplicity of it, and that it's based on silly utopianism where humans are rational, objective, and universalist.

If it's a group of five old people already on death's door vs a small child that really changes the game. Same for if it's five strangers vs a person I really care about. Or five crack whores vs one upstanding citizen? Evil? Wrong? Maybe. But in the real world nobody gives a shit about people outside their in-group. Just look at how the normies treated us as kids. Shoved us down so they could stand on our backs. Altruism truly is a mental disease.
>> No. 30716 [Edit]
>You are supposed to use chemicals and natural additives to control the scum
Yeah, and scrub the remaining scum from the pool while it's still full of water using really long brushes. I don't know much about Olympic sized pools, but I can say that residential ones should only need to be drained for repairs or resurfacing.
>> No. 30718 [Edit]
The more you feel, the less you think.
The more you think, the less you feel for others.
>> No. 30720 [Edit]
Wasn't the problem's sole purpose was to determine whether you would actively sacrifice one person to save five others? Stuff like screaming to warn them or other realistic ways to solve the problems (like yours) weren't actually asked, I think.

>what kills utilitarianism for me is the simplicity of it
The main rule of it is simple, yes but its application can be complicated as fuck. Utilitarians do consider stuff like age, expected life span, use for others.
They would have to save the child. If there aren't other situation-changing aspects, you would have to sacrifice the person you love for the strangers and it would be your duty if you were an utilitarian. Crack whores are interesting because you would have to ask how long they'll live if they don't change their ways, what contribution they give to the greater good etc. and compare it to the same of that upstanding citizen.
Also probably funny for some is that you'd have to do nothing if the one person was a doctor or something similar and would save more than five lives.

In my opinion utilitarianism (or rather consequentialism) still makes the most sense but yeah, you do have a point with most people only caring about the people/groups close to them and the idealistic image they have of humans. As I see it that's not a problem with utilitarianism but rather with humanity itself. Like with probably every other ethical theory they have to make a system which proposes someone with a way to do the right thing and if everyone started following it, it would make the world a lot better.
I mean what (reasonable) ethical system could you possibly create if you take most people's nature into account?
>> No. 30727 [Edit]
>Wasn't the problem's sole purpose was to determine whether you would actively sacrifice one person to save five others?
Indeed. It's pointless to think of other solutions because it's not part of the exercise.
>> No. 30908 [Edit]
I like to imagine what life would be like if dinos still existed. Maybe dinosaur meat would be popular, I suppose it must taste a little like chicken. Maybe knights would ride dinosaurs rather than horses into battle. Texan rodeos would feature cowboys riding dinos rather than bulls. Maybe there could be domesticated breeds of dinos, meant to be pets and/or livestock.
>> No. 31297 [Edit]
"It's all down hill from here."
I don't understand this phrase. It means that things will only get worse from this point on. Generally speaking when you're traveling down hill it makes the journey easier. It's easier to walk down hill, a bike can coast down hill, a car will use almost no fuel going down hill. More often than not going down hill is a good thing. The only instances I can think of in which going down hill is a bad thing are when you're falling or loose control of your vehicle, or stock prices. I doubt these are what the term originates from, so it's confusing.

"I slept like a baby"
This is another phrase I don't understand. It suggests you had a good long sleep and are well rested. Infants however do not yet posses proper sleep rhythms and will wake at random hours crying and screaming. Likewise parents of newborns apparently do not get much sleep during the first few years of raising a child.
>> No. 31298 [Edit]
>I doubt these are what the term originates from

>Infants however do not yet posses proper sleep rhythms and will wake at random hours crying and screaming.
Probably more about the impression a sleeping baby makes in the arms of its mother or something. Them being safe, comfortable etc.
>> No. 31299 [Edit]
Because one would assume it would refer to the common way in which people interact with downhill slopes and doesn't seem like it would become popular if it was something people couldn't related to, unless falling down hill or declining stocks were common when the phrase was created.
>> No. 31304 [Edit]
I always thought "down hill" was more like veering of a cliff and bouncing down hill while getting destroyed, not actually going down a road downwards from a hill.
>> No. 31305 [Edit]
But would you actually say "it's all downhill from here" while getting destroyed? Or would it be more likely for someone to say it while riding bikes with a friend?
>> No. 31306 [Edit]
All I'd think while tumbling on a death roll would be "Shimattaaaaaa" and I don't know how to ride a bike, so no clue about the latter.
>> No. 31456 [Edit]
Why aren't hamster wheels for dogs a thing? Seems like it'd be more practical than paying a dog walker.
>> No. 31459 [Edit]
I think you're supposed to take dogs outside also to do their excretory business, socialize and sightsee, more than only exercise. Also dogs can end up weighting a lot on the bigger side, so you'd need a massive, heavy and sturdy construct to serve as an exercise wheel for them, which by default would cost a prohibitive amount of money.
>> No. 31470 [Edit]
So they should only be used with small dogs with a TV installed?
>> No. 31493 [Edit]
The true key to success is having rich parents. Any fool can do well in life if he comes from the background that facilitates him along that path. 99% of problems can be solved with enough cash. Rich fuckups can afford second chances, and no hole is too much to dig yourself out of, so long as your pockets are deep enough.

Money is everything.
>> No. 31494 [Edit]
>The true key to success is having rich parents. Any fool can do well in life if he comes from the background that facilitates him along that path.
Usually yes, but not always. My own father is rich and he's rich because he's selfish and greedy to the extent of putting money before his own family. He never cared about me, my mother, or any of the women he was with after they split up. While I was driving a beat up decommissioned police car from auction to my minimum wage dead end job, he was buying Ferrari and Corvette and traveling the world. Never much mattered to him how much I tried to help him when he needed me, never cared about putting me in danger or how much I was struggling with life. I'd take time off work and break my back to help him fix up one of the dozens of homes he owns, only for him to randomly tell me he's not going to leave me a cent when he dies. To this day he seems to enjoy bragging and rubbing his wealth in my face so I've given up on him and haven't spoken to him in a year. Last I heard he was buying a plane or some shit and I hope he flies into a mountain.
>> No. 31495 [Edit]
>only for him to randomly tell me he's not going to leave me a cent when he dies
Man, I thought my insane religious father was bad.
>> No. 31511 [Edit]
Seeing this universe as being under the wing of some evil entity, Satan, the Demiurge, Yog-Sothoth, as bleak as it is, still offers more comfort than approaching this question through a more "rational" lens of chance and casualty, as it means that in the infinite pool of possibilities born out of the chaos of chance, it all naturally converges to evil, to suffering and to death. The very building blocks of existence are tainted with this depravity.
>> No. 31519 [Edit]
>it means... it all naturally converges to evil, to suffering and to death.
It absolutely doesn't. Death as a concept is an inevitability so in the end isn't affected by chance. Suffering seeing in the most rational sense is born from expectations that are not met or violated, so it's not affected by chance, events that lead to suffering are, but the feeling itself is human, not universal. Finally, evil is a choice that stems from depravity, ignorance or genetics. To say that the current existence of evil on Earth is to be blamed on probability is nothing short of the grandest denial of collective responsibility that we can argue for. Evil can be weeded out and exterminated, but there's little interest when the people on the top profit from it, the people at the bottom are to miserable to care, and the people in the middle are perpetually (and wilfully) distracted.
>> No. 31521 [Edit]
how did he get wealthy enough to buy cars and planes
>> No. 31522 [Edit]
Far as I can gather from his brother, he's been twisted in the head since childhood. He never had friends even as a kid and started small by stealing stuff from his first job to re-sell. Then onto reselling bikes. Then flipping cars as he got older. I guess there weren't enough opportunities for him in Jersey so he packed his things and went to California. Bought a catering truck and muscled his way into the business getting more trucks and hiring employes while taking out the competition by whatever means necessary. Sometimes this meant sabotaging rival food trucks, other times it meant beating the shit out of rival drivers over prime spots. Then he decided to sell the business, which apparently tanked as soon as he handed it over. The buyer as well as his former employees who were now out of jobs all wanted him dead. From there he went into flipping houses while still doing cars on the side and eventually got more houses which he started to rent out. At one point he owned a dozen or so hours worth 250k each while renting them for $1,200 a month each. Now that he's old and doesn't feel he has much time left, so he's selling the houses one by one and burning the money on trips around the world, cars, planes ect. Where he used to buy things for resale, now he only buys them to collect or play around with.

To this day his entire family hates his guts, he doesn't have any friends, and the only reason he has a woman in his life is because, well, you know how women are. Money or not however, Those women have hated him. His current one has cancer and he has commented on how gross and depressing she is now and can't wait to find a much younger replacement once she's dead. His last one hates his his guts for talking her into selling her family home.
Unfortunately due to laws and regulations I can't realistically follow in the food truck business even if I wanted to, and buying houses to resell/rent sounds very appealing but the cost of houses have gone up massively since his time.
I won't be able to pay off the one I'm in now for another 10-20 years at best. Having to take care of my gambling addicted and borderline mentally challenged mother doesn't help much. She's a drain on our finances and hinders my attempts at making money while pushing for her own moronic ideas that never pan out.
I can't say my father hasn't worked hard for the things he has though, even if it meant breaking laws and bones along the way. I've always thought his way of doing things and his life style was wrong. But here I am, someone who couldn't dream of hurting another person or taking advantage of them and who's tried to convince this guy there's more to life than just money. Yet I've been forced to live my life friendless and alone, distend to die poor and miserable as a wizard. Makes me think maybe he wasn't so wrong after all if being kind and fair has gotten me kicked around all my life and left with nothing. Meanwhile hurting, abusing, and manipulating people has left him with everything he could ever want.

Post edited on 21st Apr 2018, 2:37am
>> No. 31523 [Edit]
This is just nitpicking and semantics, unless you are really trying to convince me animals do not experience suffering because you see it as a concept.

Taking away from others is tantamount to evil. Your very basic sustenance is grounded on the act of murder. Every creature alive is condemned to be tormented in any way that makes itself opportune. Evil can't be exterminated insofar life itself can't be exterminated, it's ingrained into everything from microorganisms to societies as a macrostructure. There's nothing the sort of the political game of interests keeping it from being achieved, it stays a constant.
>> No. 31524 [Edit]
there has to be something between being a greedy misanthrope who only interacts with people to victimize them and being a "nice" person who tries to be a decent person and only ends up getting taken advantage of. it sure don't seem like it sometime though.
maybe you can take advantage of your current situation by announcing somewhere that greedy women look on the internet that your old, rich father is about to be single again and then selling his contact info to them
>> No. 31598 [Edit]
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How much mass would be needed to fill up the oceans and lakes to current sea level? Is there enough material for it to be possible?

If we flatten Earth, how much will the ground and sea level rise and/or decrease?
>> No. 31599 [Edit]
thats pretty simple math, you can look up all the necessary numbers to do to calculation yourself.
>> No. 31611 [Edit]
temperate controlled, fluid filled daki
>> No. 31612 [Edit]
It would be pretty inconvenient if the daki started leaking
>> No. 31613 [Edit]
That just means you're making your waifu wet.
>> No. 31614 [Edit]
I was reading Katawa Shojo. There's this scene where Shizune talks how Hanako doesn't really love chess because she knows so little about chess. The logic being if you really love something you should know more about it and share it to make a connection with other people. And that makes me think if I don't really love anime and manga. That I only like them because they make me feel good. Maybe that's true.
>> No. 31798 [Edit]
We all know youtube is full of fear mongering videos about the world ending, the next dark age, or what have you. My thought is, aren't the people who make these sort of videos essentially terrorists? I mean they're trying to spread fear on a large scale and get people into a panic, right?
>> No. 31799 [Edit]
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I love to learn about and share what I've learned and thought about anime and manga. For some time I thought that maybe I don't like them for themselves as much as I thought, and what I really liked was sharing my knowledge, and receiving more in return through either discussion or research. But I've come to think that that's only an aspect of how love is expressed, rather than the love itself. Whether a feeling is held or expressed, it's still there. There's no need to doubt the love you have, regardless of the careless words of others.
>> No. 31927 [Edit]
Yes, but the same goes for people who say ">tfw ywn" with the feels guy next to it. All forms of that are fear mongering in a certain 1984ish way.
>> No. 31930 [Edit]
This will sound like a conspiracy theory itself, but there’s FUD spread by organizations, definitely. It depends on the video.
>> No. 31933 [Edit]
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Man, these new year pixiv pictures are so nice.
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Very much so. I've been thinking though, I haven't seen anything from Etotama this year, I liked Uri-tan. Though I suspect many have forgotten the series since.
>> No. 32042 [Edit]
I've been drawing an image a day since late December last year. I am seeing improvement but the more I improve the more my motivation fades and the more effort I have to focus on art and the more time I think about it. Why bother? There are thousands of good artists now, nothing I make will contribute much. I don't even have any amazing ideas or projects anyway, my only ideas are military anime girls and some lewd things I won't say, while these are relatively obscure they have all been done before and are still being done all the time. Would I even view my own images in the same way if I got to there level? Would getting to their level bring down how I see their art works? These thoughts are far too distracting, I have barely been watching anime, playing games or reading.
>> No. 33647 [Edit]
Do animals have souls?
>> No. 33650 [Edit]
Do humans have souls?
>> No. 33651 [Edit]
What is the purpose of living? Is it to perform finite tasks with no ultimate goal until death? IS THERE an ultimate goal possible for a finite creature? Is the purpose of life to find peace within nothingness during life, to find peace within the act of not doing anything? Is it to unravel the secret of immortality, to become an infinite being? Is procreation a true immortality, or does one really and truly end with their own death? How can I take it easy again, when this existential crisis bothers me more every day? Why do I feel a need to DO anything? Why am I no longer satisfied with following my impulses every day as I surf the web meaninglessly, oblivious to worries of time or death? Why can't I take it easy?
>> No. 33653 [Edit]
What is a soul?
>> No. 33654 [Edit]
I never got this. For me, life justifies itself, since if decent it's miles better to being death.
I never needed a superior reason, never understood the existencial crisis concept.
All the problems I ever had could have been solved with having more money. With time and money I can't possibly be unhappy because I would be too entertained for that.
I guess it's one of the advantages of being dumb.
>> No. 33655 [Edit]
You need to believe in a metaphysical framework first before you can ask the purpose of humans. For example, I am just a hard materialist who believe life comes about accidentally and humans are just a product of natural selection. I don't believe in purpose the same way a Christian do. I see purpose simply in a practical sense. What satisfies the brain and nervous system is good, what hurts it is bad. There is no reason why it's the way it is. We just evolve that way. Note that I use the word "satisfy" instead of simple pain and pleasure so what exactly satisfy constitute is open to interpretation. The pursuit of these simple values is our purpose. How you fulfill this purpose is extremely flexible whether you want to drown in cheap entertainment or become a monk. If you don't feel that you receive satisfaction in one lifestyle, you should figure out what could do so and try it out. Yeah, my views is really common and most people in the modern world probably believe something along the same lines. It's literally "My purpose in life is to find a purpose" tier platitude but I believe it is the most parsimonious belief since anything else would have to resort to immaterial or spiritual assumptions.
>> No. 33656 [Edit]
There is no intrinsic purpose to living, purpose is a construct of the individual. Most people however will never find a real purpose, that's okay, you don't need a purpose in order to live.
>> No. 33658 [Edit]
I, the original poster, do have the same materialistic view as you, which is why I ask those questions. As someone who feels a necessity for purpose, yet knows there is not intrinsic purpose, it frustrates me to no end that I must exist finitely and without meaning for the few precious days until death.
>> No. 33660 [Edit]
>since if decent it's miles better to being death.
On what basis do you make this comparison?
>> No. 33665 [Edit]
Well, I can't do absolutely anything I like while being death.
>> No. 33666 [Edit]
But if you're dead there is no urge to do anything in the first place.
>> No. 33674 [Edit]
I think what seperates life-loving, normal, unwashed cattle types from those with existential crisis is how much you think about certain things, overanalyzing, and looking at too big a picture. If you don't beloeve in that baseless assertion of "Unexamined life is not worth living", then maybe being more thoughtless can make you happier.

Stop thinking about purpose and whatnot. Get busy. Worry about short term things like your job, project, or that event in mmo that you want to grind for. Jump to another meaningless, petty, worldly goals after you're done with one. Maybe you'll become one of those workaholic who works his while life and is already on his deathbed by the time he realizes it. I am still trying to see if it works but it's sonethink to think of.
>> No. 33675 [Edit]
>I think what seperates life-loving, normal, unwashed cattle types from those with existential crisis is how much you think about certain things, overanalyzing, and looking at too big a picture.

There isn't anything that separates them, they are the same. Most 'unwashed cattle types' have existential crisis and are miserable, suicide and mental health are big issues among the people now. People on sites like this just like to feel special and enlightened in some way but they are not. If anything what separates them from the people that actually kill themselves is the attachments they have, if you have a job and a family living on your income then it becomes harder to kill yourself, hence why most people that do kill themselves either are young and don't have kids or are middle aged and their kids have grown up.
>> No. 33676 [Edit]
OK who let the ford sympathizers in? Disgusting.
>> No. 33677 [Edit]
All of you have it so wrong it hurts. The spectrum of normalfaggotry isn't defined by depression or how bad your exestential crises are or even whether you have a job of not. If it were, all those unemployed and clinically diagnosed with depression would belong here. Those things just loosely correlate with not being a normalfag. Normalfaggotry is more defined by a conformity-first mindset and certain attitudes.
>> No. 33678 [Edit]
I agree with you, I'm just remembering how it was in wizardchan, were normalfaggotry was determined by how much you were able to still enjoy things. So having hobbies and interests, specially the autistic/nerd ones, was quickly condemned.
It totally looked like a bunch of angsty teens competing for who was more depressed than the other and how much they hated things.
At the end, if normalfag meant being happy and not a normalfag meant being unhappy you could easily reach the conclusion that being a normal was just plain better. And that's awfully wrong.
If something, it's more normal not being able to enjoy things than social recognition, having crisis "when no gf" and all that kind of shit, while the unnormal is more like Dwarf Fortress guy, who can obsess and enjoy doing one autistic thing all his life just because it's fun.
>> No. 33679 [Edit]
Any place where people can't be shamelessly passionate about something is not worth being in. A big part of normalfaggotry is reeling in your interests, either in content or intensity, so as to not diverge from what's considered acceptable. Even among people who do seem "abnormal" on the surface, like those on wizardchan or some incel forum or who go to anime conventions, have the same mindset. Instead of revelling in how society sees you because of whatever you lack that's considered valuable, it's better to simply reject society's value scale.

Post edited on 17th Nov 2019, 4:40am
>> No. 33682 [Edit]
>Normalfaggotry is more defined by a conformity-first mindset and certain attitudes.
I think this is a good characterization. They have an unconscious tendency towards conformity (either not realizing this action, or justifying it based on some superficial reason). This is usually accompanied by a desire to jostle for social prominence, which probably is in and of itself the primary distinguisher. Most actions are carried out towards that end: "watching anime" is not merely a comforting medium to be enjoyed in solitude but rather perverted into a competition to see who can be the most outspoken "weeb," overtly marking oneself as part of some supposed trendy in-group. Going to anime conventions becomes merely an avenue for partying with friends.
>> No. 33686 [Edit]
That's what exactly is. And that's what always bothered me of people. At the end it's all about socializing, even with weirdos, it all ends in the same. And I think females are probably 100% about that while some males can show some genuine appreciation, but social pressure makes them cynical.
>> No. 33956 [Edit]
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Advertising is bad.. mmkay?
>> No. 34620 [Edit]
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Empathy and kindness are bad predictors of trustworthiness and selflessness. Both of those things are spontaneous, inconsistent and fleeting. A person with those traits might also be less aware of their own action's selfishness. They may have a tendency to spin their actions in a way that seems morally acceptable to them. If it feels right, it is right to them. When strong feelings are a person's main captain, they're more likely to act selfishly.

Better predictors of trustworthiness are conscientiousness and stoicism. A person who is not concerned about their own pleasure or pain, but cares about diligence and honesty is way more dependable. How sweet or warm they are doesn't really matter. Those things are superficial and don't actually have much to do with a person's long-term actions. Maybe a person can be both sweet and trustworthy, but sweetness on its own doesn't tell you anything and can be misleading.

Post edited on 17th Apr 2020, 10:48am
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Both are as fleeting as empathy and kindness. The only good indicator of trustworthiness is loyalty.
>> No. 34622 [Edit]
I don't think loyalty is a personality trait or temperament. Temperament isn't fleeting. Personal relationships aren't built on militaristic principles.

Post edited on 17th Apr 2020, 1:10pm
>> No. 34638 [Edit]
If a person wants to be interesting, he needs to show things of interest. But if the things of interest are so interesting, there's no need for attention for that person.
>> No. 34873 [Edit]
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If all over the world, machines appeared that could produce an endless amount of exact copies of you, with only the press of a button, how do you think the world and you would be affected?
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>> No. 34875 [Edit]
I'd imagine for most people, the thought of having more than one of them existing at any time would be cool at first, but then incredibly unnerving. They would all eventually start to turn on one another and commit mass murder, until one was left standing, who would then proclaim themselves to be the "true" one.

In my case, I'd hardly imagine anything other than the opposite. I've thought about it, and if I were a clone, I'd probably come to terms with that fact. The problem more or less is that I've essentially been spat out onto the world with nothing onto a lazy mind and unfit body. Clones of me would essentially fill up homeless shelters, as they largely lack the self-confidence to work. Eventually, a breaking point would be hit and the clones would all start committing mass suicide. The only ones I'd ever see are the ones that are close enough to where I live, and a few of which may or may not ever try to take my place, in which case I'd probably just shoot them since I'm the only one with a gun. My clones would probably just be sick of eachother, so I can't imagine any sort of "mass uprising", and the clone experiment would be chalked up to a total failure and completely shelved until the whole world forgets about the incident or rationalizes it.
I wonder what sort of person you'd clone to get a "clone utopia". I vaguely remember a chapter in Kino's Journey where Kino comes across this place filled with clones of the same two people (A man and woman) who live in what seemed to be relative harmony. They even had the smarts to avoid getting wiped out by some military strike.
>> No. 34876 [Edit]
I was thinking more human slavery and cannibalism, but this works too.
>> No. 34877 [Edit]
That'd never happen with today's values. Maybe in the past, but nowadays there'd be clone's rights activists who'd parade that the non-clones should have less rights than the clones.
>> No. 34878 [Edit]
Plenty of people don't hold those values.
>> No. 34880 [Edit]
I'm going to be honest with you, I don't really understand how people could consider clones less than humans unless they were somehow biologically different from humans. I mean, sex is just the process of taking sperm and putting it in an egg, isn't a clone of you just a twin? Unless they had some sort of mental modifications to make them like slavery or whatever, they wouldn't be any less human. Unless you believe slavery in general is fine, which may be a valid point, then you're basically just using semantics to justify something that doesn't actually make sense in the real world. It's just an argument that never made sense to me, a clone of yourself would be in actuality more human to you than someone of another race or just of the same race with lower intelligence. In fact to me my clone would be the most valuable and rights-deserving person in the world besides myself. The whole point of blade runner was that society was using semantics and the circumstances of the birth of real, sentient humans to do mental gymnastics and justify enslaving and killing people who had just as much a "soul" as they did. I don't personally have a problem with slavery in general, or even slavery based on the type of person being enslaved, but enslaving someone who is a higher lifeform along the same lines as yourself, a person who is much more genetically and intellectually valuable than many "people" in the world is just a waste of resources. If I was gonna clone and enslave someone, I wouldn't enslave myself. I would clone and enslave someone already worthy of slavery.
>> No. 34882 [Edit]
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You're missing the point of scenario. A bunch of clone making machines appearing out of nowhere all over the world and requiring no resources. At least a good number of people would use their clones of you for inhumane purposes because it would cost them nothing to make more.
>> No. 34883 [Edit]
Who controls the cloning machines though? Me? Someone else?
>> No. 34884 [Edit]
I would use my army of hyper-intelligent clones to take over the world because I'm not foolish like those people.

Post edited on 2nd May 2020, 8:12pm
>> No. 34893 [Edit]
Whoever gets to them first and can move them around.
>> No. 34962 [Edit]
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I wonder, about the Miranda rights. If the cops tell you that you can remain silent, otherwise what you say could be used against you, and then they ask you if you understand, what are the possible answer that can be used? Like if you say you understand, you're abdicating of the right to reaming silent by providing them with information that can be used against you later, when they say "He said very clearly that he had understood his right to silence". If you do say that you do not understand you also abdicate of this right, but then the cops theoretically have to say it over and over, and you may get something out of it. But they could also use that against you, like saying "He pretended not to understand and tried to piss the police off" or something. The right thing seems to be saying nothing. This way they can't know if you understood or not, and theoretically you could use this for future attacks on a court of law, afterwards.
>> No. 34963 [Edit]
I don't think they care if you respond or not.
>> No. 34964 [Edit]
I don't think there's any legal holes in something as common as the Miranda Rights. As long as they've told them before questioning nobody would probably give a shit.
>> No. 34975 [Edit]
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Not exactly pondering. I just hope we get there soon.
>> No. 34976 [Edit]
I'd like to think the world would be a much more peaceful place if nothing else.
>> No. 35317 [Edit]
If insects and spiders had human faces, but were otherwise the same, would you have a harder time killing them? If lobsters had human faces, would you still eat them?
>> No. 35318 [Edit]
>If insects and spiders had human faces

I would be extremely terrified of them?
Hiruko The Goblin had spiders with human heads and it was the stuff of nightmares.
>> No. 35319 [Edit]
We're getting closer (in America).
>> No. 35321 [Edit]
Against who, exactly?
>> No. 35322 [Edit]
Hair salons and barbers shops.
>> No. 35323 [Edit]
What they have done?
>> No. 35324 [Edit]
What haven't they done? They overrcharge, they spread disease, and there's nothing they do which you can't at home for free.
>> No. 35325 [Edit]
>During medieval times, barbers performed surgery on customers, as well as tooth extractions. The original pole had a brass wash basin at the top (representing the vessel in which leeches were kept) and bottom (representing the basin that received the blood). The pole itself represents the staff that the patient gripped during the procedure to encourage blood flow.
>> No. 35332 [Edit]
Against anyone who won't bend the knee to the New Kultureâ„¢ built by the corporate tyranny megablob, unfortunately. It should have been the other way around.
>> No. 35333 [Edit]
In reality, normalfags don't like someone because he's "interesting". They like someone because he can "vibe well" in casual conversation. Nothing else matters, a quantum physicist with any shyness or introversion is less valuable to socializing people than an 80IQ wigger because he can't seamlessly engage in mindless chit chat, and for no other reason. Looking for self-aware reason or motive in the social world is wasting your time.
>> No. 35334 [Edit]
>like someone because he can "vibe well" in casual conversation
This is the key. Most people don't strike up conversations with such lofty goals as "learning about others" or "being interested in sharing knowledge" – at best they do it because they want to pass the time, ingratiate themselves to you, or make a good impression for some future favor; at worst they do it because they like hearing themselves talk and any conversation is just another opportunity to recount their life.
>> No. 35355 [Edit]
If you heard "they drowned", would you assume that person died? You can drown without dying, but wouldn't most people assume death unless stated otherwise? Most people wouldn't assume a person died if you just say "they were shot" though. In a sentence like "they were almost hung", you don't know whether they literally were almost hung, but weren't, or they were put in a noose, but the noose broke or something.
>> No. 35359 [Edit]
This is quite funny. As a young outcast I envied normals because they were always talking with each other and I thought that would have to be so enriching and interesting. Then I could know better and noticed it was all babbling about inane shit and reading a shitty wikipedia article was already miles better than engaging into conversation with most people.
>> No. 35369 [Edit]
Assuming that neither would bring you any profit, would you rather own the greatest art collection in the world, or be able to paint anything you want really well?

Post edited on 26th Jun 2020, 8:57am
>> No. 35370 [Edit]
If there's no profit, then I would like to have the skill to paint, draw or anything. What's the point of owning the collection? It's not going to be too much better than most of the great museums in the world I could visit and taking care of it would be too much of a responsibility.
>> No. 35371 [Edit]
I think some people like collecting paintings just for the sake of owning them.

Post edited on 26th Jun 2020, 9:36am
>> No. 35372 [Edit]
It's mostly a rich people thing, status has lot to do with it, sometimes it's an investment and sometimes money laundering. If it's really good and important art I don't think it should be in the hands of one person. If I owned that collection I would cede it to some good museum or public place were it could be shown and that itself would beat any purpose of owning it in the first place.
>> No. 35373 [Edit]
I would rather own the greatest collection. Even if I knew how to paint the act itself still takes a lot of time.
>> No. 35374 [Edit]
A good artist can crank out nice looking stuff within half an hour at most. Not every art piece has to be a give it your all.
>> No. 35375 [Edit]
They could do rough line art in that time but it takes much longer for a fully done character and then longer still if you want a background or a more complex scene.
>> No. 35400 [Edit]
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Why does most imageboard software use MySQL instead of PostgreSQL?
>> No. 35401 [Edit]
I'm just guessing, but it's probably a legacy of the main php-based imageboards needing to run on shared hosting sites, and mysql seems to be a more popular offering there.
>> No. 35437 [Edit]
I've been gone for several years. I thought I could find my old posts, but I have no clue which ones I wrote and which ones I didn't. Maybe you can only see yourself when you're still hooked into the hivemind, I must have lost the ability.
>> No. 35492 [Edit]
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I eat proper ice-cream.

"Soft serve contains the expected dairy and sweeteners, like milk, nonfat milk, sugar, corn syrup and whey, but, there’s more.

We took a look at the ingredients found in McDonald’s and Dairy Queen soft serve, and here’s what we found is lurking on the list:

Polysorbate 80 is used as an emulsifier in foods and cosmetics. It’s added to soft serve to prevent milk proteins from completely coating the fat droplets. This allows the soft serve to bind and locks air into the mixture. (McDonald’s, DQ)

Mono- and diglycerides come from fatty acids. They’re used as another emulsifier. They help combine ingredients containing fat with ingredients containing water (because the two don’t normally merge well on their own). (McDonald’s, DQ)

Carrageenan is a carbohydrate extracted from red seaweed. It’s used for its gelling, stabilizing and thickening properties. (McDonald’s, DQ)

Guar gum is made from the endosperm of the guar bean. It’s used as a thickening agent. The use of it in diet pills was banned in the 1980s because it was dangerous, but small amounts of it ― like what’s found in soft serve ― have been established as safe. (McDonald’s, DQ)

Cellulose gum comes from the cell walls of plants such as wood pulp and cottonseeds. It is another thickener. It is commonly used in the food industry and adds to the mouthfeel and texture of a product. (McDonald’s)

Sodium Phosphate is used in many foods and serves many purposes. It can be used as a texturizer, an emulsifier or a leavening agent. (McDonald’s)"
>> No. 35509 [Edit]
Most brand-name ice-cream in supermarkets isn't actually ice cream (in that it doesn't contain enough cream) and is labelled "frozen dairy dessert" or something along those lines.
>> No. 35510 [Edit]
I don't know if I've missed any good anime with bad or no OPs but the OP is generally what convinces me to watch and often even to keep going.
>> No. 35511 [Edit]
Anecdotally I can't think of any stellar anime I've watched that hasn't had either an ED or OP that I've also enjoyed. So your heuristic is probably not too bad. You could potentially broaden it a bit by considering both the op/ed.
>> No. 35512 [Edit]
Yeah great EDs are less common but they work too.
Sadly this same reason led me to finish chaos;head
>> No. 35523 [Edit]
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Best ED in recent memory is Chika Dance ED
>> No. 35665 [Edit]
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Any sufficient large corporation will eventually be evil aka "power corrupts".
>> No. 35672 [Edit]
Many businesses aren't ethical and fair even when they're small. Facebook for example was always a corrupt scheme ran by a psychopath.
>> No. 35673 [Edit]
Yeah, gotta climb the ladder somehow.
>> No. 35713 [Edit]
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Why are people so unkind?
>> No. 35714 [Edit]
Could be a number of reasons. Being treated poorly by people around them, having a hard life with lots of built up stress, having been brought up in a culture that teaches against kindness, or could be you're just meeting them on a bad day.
>> No. 35716 [Edit]
I don't think they are they are just dumb and self-centred.
>> No. 35717 [Edit]
Misery loves company
>> No. 35718 [Edit]
Because kindness can be seen as weakness.
>> No. 35817 [Edit]
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Does Summer stop in September?
>> No. 35819 [Edit]
Yes and no
>> No. 35820 [Edit]
it stops on the day of the autumnal equinox.
>> No. 35822 [Edit]
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>> No. 35972 [Edit]
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I just found out about Demonophobia. Does anybody remember it?
>> No. 35985 [Edit]
I haven't heard about it in years, I remember being quite fascinated by it, I think I even played it a bit but not too much for some reason.
>> No. 35986 [Edit]
Trial and error games are tedious.
>> No. 36007 [Edit]
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Does anyone remember aisp@ce?
>> No. 36008 [Edit]
I was talking about that with someone over irc just last week, mainly about how dead it was even when it launched, and that the Japanese players would always freak out and run away from English speaking players. I remember it had a few nice colabs, like with Navel, touhou, and KEY. I feel like it was a bit ahead of it's time. Something like that would be much more popular these days now that we actually have not only a use but a need for virtual hang outs.
>> No. 36009 [Edit]
It was very ahead of its time. It's also interesting in that it was something that was cult in both the west and Japan, you don't see that very often aside from maybe furrydom. I guess there is VRChat but that has kind of a weird connotation about that in the west with the dreaded ironic weeb label being put on it and all.
Yeah, it sounds nice, reading about the islands and whatever else info there is on the english-speaking internet is both interesting and wistful at the same time.
I suppose Mabonigi was filling the same niche with more stuff to do, just without the IPs.
In general, MMOs are kind of sad, considering that most of them will eventually die, and while most do get private servers, they are usually not the same as it was during live.
>> No. 36058 [Edit]
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What's good for the GEESE is good for the GANDER.
>> No. 36366 [Edit]
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I've realized from time to time that I have a bad habit of taking the good things I do have in my life for granted. It's kind of easy to do that when I feel miserable so often in my life. For what is probably more than one reason I find myself wanting more. I want the fun happy friend-filled life I see in anime, I want someone I can express my honest feelings to, I want friends who share my likes and dislikes, I want to be less tired, I want to be loved and a whole bunch of other things. Thankfully I remember, sooner or later if not immediately, that I'm fortunate enough to have good friends online that are probably better friends now than any friends I ever had when I was a kid. I can at least go outside at all and now have the means to actually do so. I think maybe it's just easy to say I'm ungrateful but when ideals unfold before my eyes then desire can disregard the fact that it's usually fiction, especially when I know plenty of normalfags are lucky enough to live that ideal if they don't throw a wrench in it because they hate good things. To call myself selfish every time those feelings come up probably isn't healthy but it's hard for me to not consider the possibility. Maybe it's because of how I was raised and I think too much about other people. If nothing else, it would be nice if healing anime wasn't such a double-edged sword for me.
>> No. 36367 [Edit]
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I can only relate to wanting love and some kind of company. I don't see the appeal in having an entourage of people expecting your time and attention because I don't think there's different kinds of intimate relationships. A friend is at most a 50% relationship. A family member is at most a 60% relationship. A partner is ideally a 100% relationship. If I had a 100% relationship with something that could do that for me, I wouldn't want any lesser relationships in my life sucking my time and energy.
>> No. 36368 [Edit]
I don't really want love or a friend I just want to be able to talk about more niche topics with people on an image board format who are not scum. For example, with games like Genshin Impact, Nioh or Dark Souls I sometimes feel like I want to talk about it or hear what people are doing with it and what they are talking about. Of course I could go to 4chan but it's 4chan and boards like here and the /jp/ spin-offs don't really talk much in depth about this as they simply don't have the numbers.
>> No. 36370 [Edit]
Maybe because I didn't have too much when I was a kid so I never had that problem. In my fist 12 years of existence I didn't even have electricity for most of time and the little I ever had burnt to flames at that same age.
I could use my first computer at 14 yo (actually it was my father's) and while amazing it was kinda shit so just being able to have a modern computer of my own still feels great 20 years later. I never had childhood friends or on-line friends, but I just find my existence really good compared to high school considering I don't get physically abused in a daily basis and can do whatever the fuck I want almost all the time I'm not working. Everything is quite comfortable and I consider myself a really lucky person, while I recognize most people would consider my life absolutely horrendous. I just think they don't have their priorities clear and like you said, take things for granted. It's quite amusing when someone tries to convince you you aren't really happy and you should change it all drastically. Maybe it helps that I basically have the same needs and wishes I had when I was 15, so all the complex needs and existential problems of an adult just fly over my head, good thing of being immature, I guess.
>> No. 36371 [Edit]
As I've been trying to penetrate multivariable calculus, I've noticed that a creative and an adaptive mind is a necessity. Thus, how does one extend and improve such thinking? By doing? Doing what?
>> No. 36372 [Edit]
I'm still on single variable calc, so I can't help you much. I don't believe in "general" brain training. You'll get better at solving multivariable calculus by doing a lot of progressively more difficult multivariable calculus problems and recognizing patterns. That's it.
>> No. 36387 [Edit]
It depends on whether you're doing this recreationally or as part of formal academic study. The unfortunate fact is that most math textbooks are downright terrible (blame the bourbaki group). Calculus hasn't changed must in the past century. Get yourself the oldest multivariable textbook you can, and chances are you'll find it more illuminating than the stuff in today's books.

Also, it's quite possible that your foundation in single-variable calculus is not as strong as you think it is. It might be beneficial to go over it once using a different (preferably older) textbook. Most of multi-variable calculus is a natural generalization of single-variable calculus.
>> No. 36399 [Edit]
I don't know what your situation is but from this post I wouldn't find it hard to believe that you are satisfied. Gratitude certainly has a role in determining a person's hedonic set point. That said, I've tried keeping a gratitude journal for the sake of raising my mood and it didn't work. I'd try to think of things to write and only end up feeling that they weren't actually that good, and I wasn't too grateful for them after all, and other stuff like that, not getting much down on the page. Or I'd manage to express a thought after all and find that my mood remained exactly the same.
Have any of you tried keeping a gratitude journal with successful results?
>> No. 36401 [Edit]
This idea of forcing oneself to be satisfied and grateful for an objectively shit life is fucking insulting.
>> No. 36405 [Edit]
It's probably just tokiko again.
>> No. 36406 [Edit]
>Have any of you tried keeping a gratitude journal with successful results
Tangential, but I once took an "MBA" class as part of a tedious humanities requirement. What I got was two hours a week of pure, concentrated bullshit – the kind you'd find at fluffy ted talks. We covered the whole lot of insanity: from how myer-briggs types can be used to determine "leadership styles" to how you should keep "gratitude" in mind as you deal with conflict resolution.
(And we had as an exercise that gratitude journal bullshit, which ended up being 100% fabricated nonsense).

The only thing I ended up learning from that class was that mba should stand for master bullshit artist.
>> No. 36455 [Edit]
You're generally correct. However, I've been trying to develop sufficient pattern recognition for years, but I've yet to achieve moderate success therein despite doing many problems and exercises. Am I being limited by my intellect, or is there something yet to be done? (I hope your studies go well, by the way. Calculus is enjoyable for those whose minds are capable.)

I'm learning calculus III in preparation for an actual class, and using a textbook (Stewart) that will probably be required by that institution. However, I've been using other, and older, textbooks for alternate viewpoints on matters I could not grok. I'll see about utilizing older textbooks as per your suggestion.

>blame the bourbaki group
I will read more about this later, but from my cursory reading they seem outputting to say the least.

>Also, it's quite possible that your foundation in single-variable calculus is not as strong as you think it is. It might be beneficial to go over it once using a different (preferably older) textbook.
I'd like to think that's not the case as I've aced both of my former calculus I & II classes. But something is clearly wrong. Perhaps academic standards have fallen more than I thought.
>> No. 36568 [Edit]
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Sometimes, when I checked out some tiny imageboard on the clearnet or with tor or an abandoned 8chan board, they would be filled with pages and pages of the same text and images. I know that boorus and the like can ban images based on their hash value though.

If the image is changed at all, the hash value is different, but at least it would be more work for the spammer, so why haven't I ever seen hash banning on an imageboard? The people that run imageboards have above average programming knowledge, but I don't think any have thought of this.

Post edited on 5th Nov 2020, 9:51am
>> No. 36569 [Edit]
I encountered it on 4chan many times. They just tell you it's a duplicate file and prevent you from posting it. Banning for that might be a bit extreme as it's something which can happen accidentally easily if it's a popular image (such as a meme). I've actually used the system to my advantage a few times in fact to prevent people from posting images I didn't like. There was a particular thread I would make, and when I did some people would post scat and guro images. Posting those in some thread on page 8 or something before making the thread helped to prevent this, as mods couldn't give less of a shit.
>> No. 36570 [Edit]
It'd only be an incredibly minor amount of work. All you'd need to do is switch a single bit somewhere in the body of the file, which may well not even be visible (images can have random non-image data embedded). If you're capable of writing a spamming script, writing a script to flip a random bit in a png isn't a real amount of work.
That's probably why most IBs don't bother, the users and spammers are more tech savvy as well.
>> No. 36576 [Edit]
I came across the book Advanced Calculus by Woods which is the book where Feynman learned the slick "differentiating under the integral sign" trick. It's a wonderful trove of information that you would never find in modern textbooks. Just mentioning it in case you'd like to take a look.

You could use a perceptual hash instead of ordinary bitwise hash. That would take care of the "flit a bit" issue, albeit at the expense of additional server-side processing.
>> No. 36631 [Edit]
>It's a wonderful trove of information that you would never find in modern textbooks. Just mentioning it in case you'd like to take a look.
I very much will, thanks!
>> No. 36644 [Edit]
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I wondered today if I see things for how they really are or if I'm deluded in some way. Even some of the most cynical people I've talked to find solace in something. They see the good in at least one thing. I don't see much of anything positively, not new stuff at least or even plenty of old things. I at least have the things I managed to love somehow like games I'm fond of and foods I like to eat but that's about it, very minor things that aren't enough to keep someone going and feeling happy. Others can see the world as something beautiful and honest or enjoy 2d as some perfect world or even enjoy modern games or talking to people or something but I can barely stomach most of it, if not all. It feels like I've been slowly sliding down into increasing pessimism for years of my life to the point where I feel like I live in a completely different world from most people. The way they describe things is so annoying and untrue to me, so different from how I see it that it makes me wonder if I'm seeing things wrong or that many people really are completely illusioned. It's a bit of a scary thought but nonetheless, that's the reality of it. Thinking about it more, it would be disturbing if I wasn't so used to bad things.
>> No. 36645 [Edit]
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I don't agree with the "good" vs "bad" dichotomy of seeing the world. I don't think the world has to be beautiful or honest or whatever. What's important to me is that things are interesting. If something is interesting, I can get some kind of enjoyment out of it. I don't see why pessimism would spoil interesting things unless boredom also comes with it. Maybe you're just unhealthy and your feelings have nothing to do with your perception of the world.
>> No. 36649 [Edit]
I always disliked the attitude of "it's all shit", commonly mixed with elitism. I somehow see it more often these days and to me that's the kind of thing that feels untrue. But if you really feel like that, I can't really say anything. It's an alien feeling to me, maybe because I didn't have too much as a kid but I always find so many things interesting.
>> No. 36650 [Edit]
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>I always disliked the attitude of "it's all shit", commonly mixed with elitism.
Reading this on Tohno-chan feels kind of bizarre. It makes me wonder if you honestly feel that way or are just being a contrarian for the sake of it. If you do feel that way, it sounds nice.
Even though it feels kind of dismissive, I hope sometimes that the world isn't as terrible as I see it and that maybe it's just me. It would feel very lonely if that were true but it would be nice to believe that things aren't truly so terrible.
>> No. 36651 [Edit]
I don't know if I'm like you, but I can't remember the last time I truly enjoyed something. I have to go back around 6-7 years, when I was still young and idealistic. I can't say when everything slipped away from me, but be it anime, games or imageboards I don't have fun with anything new nowadays; my only salvation are the brief flashes of nostalgia that I feel when I watch something I truly loved when all those years ago.
>> No. 36688 [Edit]
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Something I have struggled with for a long time is ruin by association. A lot of the things I used to like have been ruined because the people who like it are very unsavory people or because it has negative associations. Something like awful fanbases or negative memories. It sounds really silly and it feels that way to have this kind of problem for so long. Some while ago I tried to take actions against this but it was really hard and I couldn't do it. When something you like has such negativity surrounding it, it's hard to see that something in the same positive way as before.
I have been given advice more than once by more than one person throughout the course of my life to not let the things I like be ruined by such petty things but I have almost no idea how to make that happen. The only thing I can do to prevent this is distance myself from associations and groups. To keep my interests to myself from the very start. But that's always only so effective before anything that can ruin it seems to follow me and appear more often. It's strange and frustrating and I don't want to deal with it anymore.
>> No. 36693 [Edit]
What does liking something look like for you? How do your actions or thoughts change when a thing you like is "ruined" in this way?
>> No. 36702 [Edit]
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I wonder if mainstream pop-culture is ever going to be nostalgic for right now in the future, or if it's so unappealing it never will be.
>> No. 36703 [Edit]
I think the teens of today will look back on it fondly when they're middle aged. Many of them do seem to be aware of how fucked up world is, both economically and culturally, but the majority don't seem to care from what I can gather.
Besides, Everything always seems like shit to older generations, it's a cycle that never ends.
>> No. 36704 [Edit]
I think there's enough for existing children to get nostalgic over. Minecraft, for example. That game absolutely captivated my niece and nephew when they were in the range of 10--15 years, but they don't play it so much now. In 2030 they and millions of others like them will be nostalgiafags over it in their late 20s.
>> No. 36756 [Edit]
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For as long as imageboards have existed, there have been people who want to draw like Japanese artists, and there have been people recommending them Loomis and similar western drawing guides. Not once though have I seen anybody ask if that's actually how Japanese artists learn to do it. If you want to draw like Japanese artists, doesn't it make sense to learn like they do? Do Japanese people actually read translated copies of Loomis? Are their drawing books the same? Do they even use drawing books? What is the answer to this massive mystery?

Post edited on 21st Nov 2020, 2:52pm
>> No. 36757 [Edit]
The fact that they learn calligraphy (or at least learn to write kanji with proper stroke, composition, etc.) probably gives them an edge. Also an environment where from an early age manga and doujins are accepted.
>> No. 36758 [Edit]
It's not like every single Japanese person can draw though. They still have to learn somehow.
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I've found a lead, but I can't dicipher it

I put it through a translator and "the bite" kept coming up. What the fuck is the bite? It's probably a mistranslation.
"I love to paint.
But lately I've been jealous of the kids who are good at drawing.
It's kind of painful to see people the same age and better at it on Twitter.
A good friend of mine has been writing since she was really young, and probably the better Twitterers have been doing it for years.
I'm only 2 years old!
But I feel there is a difference with kids who started at about the same
I don't know if it's because she started taking painting classes and has spent more time painting than me, but
I envy the children who are allowed by their parents to draw
I need half an hour of free time every two days and to stay up late at night to paint.
There is no way
I have to study at an important time
Even children who have a good environment for painting
I'm jealous of the kids who are better at drawing than me
I'd like to say that it's not a choice because of the difference in time spent.
Ah, I want to be
I had a strong feeling that
I should have more time for this year's end!
So you can do better!
So you can catch up.

Sorry for the jumble of sentences
What I'm trying to say is that
How not to be jealous of a good painter

The better painters also practice, right?
You've been practicing since you were younger than me, right?
If it's all about talent, I won't be able to do my best."
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I found more info and few actual book recommendations. Even if this info isn't useful, it's very interesting. One person actually mentioned loomis. Here are my findings -

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 9:19am
>> No. 36766 [Edit]
I assume you're referring to "アタリ" (atari) in this sentence, which for some reason DeepL translates as "bite"
It seems that "atari" translates as rough drawing (without detailed features).
The etymology of this was a bit harder to trace down (and as this appears to be an art-specific term, apparently even native JP people are mystified by it at first)
From the above, it seems that it is indeed derived from the well-known 当たる (ataru), which has among its meanings the idea of "hitting upon (an idea)" or "feeling out (something)" from which the art-specific usage of "アタリ" as in sketching a rough guideline follows.

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 1:58pm
>> No. 36767 [Edit]
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Does anybody else form passwords based on simple physical motions on the keyboard? Stuff like diagonal rows of keys and opposite motion of both hands can make really long, but easily remembered passwords. Something like 1/2.3,4m5n6b is considered a strong password by password testers, but I don't know if it actually is or not because it's based on human intuition. You could also use basic arithmetic like (20-5)*2=30, which would apparently take 1 million years to crack, but I don't know.

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 5:41pm
>> No. 36768 [Edit]
That's not likely to be a strong password because most common patterns will already be part of released password lists. That particular password is clearly no good as can be verified against [1]. Your arithmetic example is also not strong since just knowing that your password is an arithmetic expression greatly reduces the search space.

Don't try to get clever with your passwords. Either generate a completely random alphanumeric (plus symbols) string, or use the diceware method (basically a fancy name for just picking words at random and then concatenating them together. This isn't technically as strong as an alphanumeric sequence of same length, but the advantage of dice ware is that it's more memorable so you can choose a longer password to compensate. Best of all, use a password manager (doesn't need to be paid or fancy, just gnu pass works fine).

>> No. 36769 [Edit]
>most common patterns will already be part of released password lists
I wouldn't actually use that password, but I would use some expanded variation of it based on the same principle with a few extra characters at the end. 1/2.3,4m5n6b6bthfuc8+~ for example isn't verified. (20-5)*2=30arth1? also isn't. You could also do triangles: zsedcnjik,zn or circles: zawedxju89okzj or trapezoids: zserfvcxnjiol.,mzn. I'm wondering if anybody actually has picked up on these tricks yet or not.

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 7:10pm
>> No. 36770 [Edit]
Why rely on security via obscurity when you could just pick a strong password uniformly at random in the first place? The fact that the "shape" sequences you mentioned have the property that the next character is proximally close to the previous character on the keyboard means that anyone who implements this in a brute-force heuristic will crack those passwords easily.

> but I would use some expanded variation of it based on the same principle
Dictionary/existing password list + additional characters is already a well-employed heuristic. Since that "1/2.3..." prefix is part of password-lists, tacking on a few extra characters isn't going to change much.

If you want to create something memorable, use the dice-ware method and pick ten words from the dictionary (you may counter that the fact that we're using dictionary words makes this "insecure." It doesn't: even if the attacker knows the exact word list we chose, the fact that it's done uniformly at random means we can calculate the entropy of a passphrase, or equivalently how long it would take to brute-force even with that knowledge. Note that no strategy can do better than pure brute-force here. I.e. unlike your password schemes where heuristics can easily narrow the search space, here one is forced to enumerate the entire space. The only way to narrow the space is if we leak information on the password itself, the first character/etc. There's probably a way to formalize this as a counterpart to cryptographic perfect-secrecy, but either way the underlying principle is that the only rigorously secure passwords are those that are chosen uniformly at random from an underlying set. Whether that set is a set of characters or words only changes the entropy by a constant factor and you can adjust the length to compensate. If you really wanted you could enumerate all possible algebraic expressions or "keyboard motion" sequences up to a certain length and then pick one of those at random. However, I suspect the lengths needed will be excessively large since both of those are very constrained sequences and adjacent characters are not independent.)

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 7:41pm
>> No. 36771 [Edit]
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>Why rely on security via obscurity when you could just pick a strong password uniformly at random in the first place?
I wouldn't want to be completely reliant on password managers(I could be using a different machine to access the same account) and I really like being able to type things in with muscle memory. If I ever need a password for something really important, I guess I'll use a randomly generated one. One last thing I came up with since you mentioned a problem with adjacent keys would be also alternating the hands while making two or more shapes like: ajwieodlx,zm, but I'm guessing that could also be accounted for. Most people don't use random passwords, so my method is at least some kind of improvement I think.

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 8:11pm
>> No. 36772 [Edit]
>Most people don't use random passwords, so my method is at least some kind of improvement
That's a low bar to clear, since most people will probably end up getting their accounts compromised. A lot of websites use 2-factor authentication now anyway. Since you need a phone or yubikey (or other U2F, etc.) for that anyway, can't you just load a password manager on your phone?

>One last thing I came up with since you mentioned a problem with adjacent keys would be also alternating the hands while making two shapes
This feels like the people who try to create crypto systems in an ad-hoc fashion. Don't do that. Use strong primitives, and the strongest primitive you have at your disposable is (pseudo)randomness. With that you can create a password that's provably secure.

Of course all this may be for nought if the website you're using doesn't store passwords properly in the first place. And most high profile sites will use two factor authentication which makes the strength of the password less critical (but still important, security in layers!).

I suppose if you really don't want a password manager but still want a scheme to construct passwords

HASH(master phrase || website name)

Where HASH is a deterministic hash like sha256. This is probably safe since even if some website stores a password in plain-text they'd have to reverse the hash (which can't be done via a rainbow table attack since the master phrase is effectively a salt). (If someone is doing a targeted attack on you as a specific user then this wouldn't be safe though since sha256 is a fast hash, and this reduces to a brute-force attack on the master phrase. I would not use this to secure a bitcoin/shitcoin wallet or anything). One weakness is that if the master is compromised then so too are all derived passwords, if you never use the master directly this should be fine. The bigger issue is with sites that have arbitrary password restrictions (length limits, prohibited symbols).
>> No. 36773 [Edit]
>can't you just load a password manager on your phone?
If I'm ever using a shared computer in some place like a library or whatever that's not really a solution. Or if my machine completely stops being usable for whatever reason. The hash idea still requires using an outside program to come up with something, so I might as well just use a randomly generated one at that point.

I came up with the idea of using kanji, something like :青鸞と龜bluluan&t. There's a ton of them, so wouldn't that be reasonably effective?
>> No. 36774 [Edit]
If you choose your kanji at random, sure that seems fine. Most websites probably won't allow you to use arbitrary unicode in your password though, so you'll have to romanize it which destroys all the entropy.

You're probably overthinking this. If this is an important account (mail, banking, etc.) then you should use two factor authentication coupled with a reasonably strong password (diceware-esque so it's memorable would be fine). And I sure hope you're not doing things like banking on a shared/untrusted computer, because at that point your password is the least of your concerns (I personally wouldn't even log into email on an untrusted computer because who knows if they've got a keylogger installed on there). If it's not important (e.g. booru) then what you choose as a password really doesn't matter so long as it's not identical to something else you used.

Post edited on 22nd Nov 2020, 9:34pm
>> No. 36775 [Edit]
>Most websites probably won't allow you to use arbitrary unicode in your password though
Really? That seems misguided. I tried it on a random booru site just now and it worked.
>> No. 36776 [Edit]
It depends how well the website is coded. Websites of large internet conglomerates as well as otaku-targeted sites probably handle it fine, but I don't have much faith that your typical small American company is going to get it right considering how many of them do things such as impose password length limits.
>> No. 36799 [Edit]
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If you played anime songs (karaoke or off-vocal versions) all day, how long will a normie wise-up to it?
>> No. 36800 [Edit]
Once you hit something widely known, such as a jojo or dragonball theme song.
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It happened
>> No. 36885 [Edit]
So that's who all the shark little girl art is based on? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I really prefer the anime original.
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How do webcrawlers and search engines actually work? When you search loli, pretty much every search engine that uses google results, including duckduckgo, returns a bunch of news articles, a wikihow page called how to spot pedophiles(neither of which include any instance of the word loli) and a ton of wikipedia pages. How much privacy is part of their marketing doesn't affect this. Bing returns a bunch of Japanese websites, which appear to be more relevant to an extent, but no pornography in the images section even with safe search off. Yandex is much the same as bing, but mostly with russian sites.

Goo, a Japanese search engine, seems to return more accurate results when the romanized loli is used than ロリ for some reason. ロリ also gives no image results on it, but loli does, some of which actually are pornographic, so I don't think safesearch matters.

What's the deal? Webcrawlers seem like they should be a simple thing, just index things based on the words. It sounds really simple. Not only do you not get what you're looking for, you can't even adjust your results to fit your interests better or filter out specific sites like news ones or wikipedia. You can't tell the engine to to give results based on popularity or unpopularity or from most recently updated to oldest. A brute force, loli, or pretty much any booru search on google returns 0 results and this message: Warning Child sexual abuse imagery is illegal. Pixiv is except from this for some reason, but the image results are much the same. There also doesn't seem to be any search engine that just indexes absoluely everything, they're all organized and curated in some mysterious way.

The options for finding shit seem to be word of mouth and using multiple search engines. Is there any better option? Can I use own webcrawler or something?

Post edited on 4th Dec 2020, 8:36am
>> No. 36915 [Edit]
Search engines send webcrawlers to websites. There's tags you can present to them, and they read text on your site, which gets fed through either an ML algorithm or a manual algorithm (nowadays nearly certainly mostly the former) which uses the information to find out what a website is a about, then a further algorithm to determine what ranking it has.
Many modern sites have a censorship algorithm after that, which ends up gimping them, but makes lawsuits less likely and helps them push viewpoints they like because tech giants at some point decided that they are gods that should form society in their own image.
And some sites just mirror a Google/some other search site's search (like searx), or at least refer to them as part of one of the above algorithms.
Best bet: Some country made loli illegal and actually sued some search company, which then had every search company add these things to their sites to avoid getting sued. Or they decided on their own that loli is CP because they're stupid. It's a part of the censorship algorithm, you get similar results if you search "How to start smoking" and such things.
>> No. 36916 [Edit]
The reason Japanese sites are less affected is a combination of bias towards their own language when training/programming their algorithms (the loli/ロリ distinction) and not being particularly catered towards gaijin and therefore not caring about gaijin law(pixiv)
>> No. 36919 [Edit]
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Your best bet isn't something I can actively do. I tried using yacy today, a p2p search engine, but it kind of sucks. The results are limited and ordered semi-randomly, and the image results also seem gimped, but I'm not sure who's fault that is. In some ways though, it's clearly less restricted. I'm surprised nobody has tried making a better attempt at a p2p search engine in the last ten years.
>> No. 36920 [Edit]
>The reason Japanese sites are less affected
Yahoo JP is actually uses google under the hood. But yes the reason why you get more relevant content using a jp engine is because of regional differences leading to different priotization in the ranking.

>you can't even adjust your results to fit your interests
Google actually does do this. If you browse logged in and let it slurp up data about you, then it will "personalize" search results. I think this is mainly only done at the level of query rewriting though. So if you're a programmer and you search some overloaded term, the personalization will surface the programming relevant entries.

>Can I use own webcrawler or something?
Yes and no. If you want to crawl at Google-scale (all sites), forget about it. Aside from the fact that if you're not google then any web crawler is going to hit severe rate limits, I think the main limitation in bootstrapping a search engine isn't the crawling part but the ranking/indexing part. Here, while there's no fundamental technical limitation as to why someone else couldn't come out with a better system, it requires perfect execution on both fronts, neither of which seems to have been accomplished by competitors like Bing. Aside from the scale of infrastructure needed for the indexing, I think the ranking for long-tail queries is still the reason why Google holds the edge and a big part of the reason is the need to combat link-spam. If you took the same Google algorithm from 2003 and ran it on today's web, I doubt you'd get good results. And even then lately I've noticed a lot of linkspam on obscure queries, so it seems even google is not immune to this.

But if you want to crawl only a subset of known sites, then yes you can build your own and it will perform better than Google because you are only indexing "quality" content. There are open-source things like ElasticSearch/Solr (both of which use Lucene for the indexing if I recall) which will do this given a corpus.

>that just indexes absoluely everything, they're all organized and curated in some mysterious way.
You don't want to index absolutely everything, because then you're indexing a lot of spam and low-quality which will pollute search results. I don't know the reason why Google filters gelbooru, it's possible they just blacklist "loli" to avoid complaints from the feds.

Yandex is usually my go to for image searches (reverse image search in particular). It performs much better than Google for 2D pics. Maybe try yandex for search results also?
>> No. 36921 [Edit]
Could you use a crawler without indexing anything? By that I mean giving it some starting point and having it crawl webpages until if finds something you specified it to look for. Nothing would need to be stored after the search and relying on an index wouldn't be necessary. Even if it would give false results a lot of the time, I think that would be useful.

>the reason why you get more relevant content using a jp engine is because of regional differences leading to different priotization in the ranking.
It goes both ways apparently. Searching ロリまんこ in duckduckgo will actually give you what you're looking for.

Post edited on 4th Dec 2020, 6:33pm
>> No. 36923 [Edit]
>It goes both ways apparently. Searching ロリまんこ in duckduckgo will actually give you what you're looking for.
Then I suspect that in the JP search engines they convert the english to kana as well and search those. It makes sense for that demographic, but obviously it's a waste of resources for a western search engine to implement (I wonder if does it?)

>Could you use a crawler without indexing anything
If you are indexing a corpus of bounded size, yes you can do it but it might take a long time (~hours) to get meaningful results. For searching a few dozen sites I think you'd primarily be limited by page load times and avoiding rate limiting. You could write up something yourself that did this (commercially, I know DevonAgent can do this).

For anything larger however, (and in particular an unbounded corpus such as a fraction of the Internet), such a method will take too long for long-tail queries. That is, if you model the crawl naively as random walk (*) on a link graph you can probably derive some bounds on the hitting time for a specific page, (if it's a sparse erdos-reyni random graph then hitting time is is probably proportional to number of nodes). Nonetheless, such a random walk on a link graph is basically equivalent to how the original pagerank algorithm assigned weights, so you're likely to hit nodes with high eigenvector centrality early on (n.b., this is not equivalent to nodes with high degree. You can have a node with a single in-degree that is linked to from a popular page, and such a node might have high eigencentrality even though its indegree is 1).

What that means is that you will run into the "quality" pages early on in your crawl so it may not be too bad for searching popular pages, but it will take a long time to get meaningful results for long-tail queries that are only found on obscure pages. That is, since the internet is divided into fast-updating and slow-updating chunks. If you just crawl for a given duration, it's very unlikely that you will run into the slow-updating chunk that is someone's personal homepage that hasn't been updated since 2000.

(*) In practice you wouldn't do a random walk, because then you can run into dead-ends, bot traps, or revisiting pages. Instead you'd want to keep track of past visits (bloom filter?) and also have some sort of damping factor to discount internal links. So you'd end up doing something like the AOPIC algorithm.
>> No. 36929 [Edit]
I've been looking into the notion of "mora" and "syllables" in linguistics. Everyone says that "Japanese is mora timed" and that moras are different than syllables, but it just seems like a redefinition of the same concept. Take for instance something like kiita. Yes it's three mora, but no one actually pronounces the mora separately like "ki - i - ta", in practice it's just "kii-ta." So then what's the difference between the notion of "mora" and just having syllables with different vowel length? If you set "long vowel = 2 mora", "short vowel = 1 mora", then you basically just recover the notion of syllables, with the length of each syllable depending on a notion of "vowel length," just like it does in English (consider "cut" vs "cart").

At best you could say that mora is a subdivision of syllable such that each mora is roughly the same length (or equivalently mora is a unit of the "length" of a syllable), but it feels like a five-dollar word for a fifty-cent idea. Moreover, since JP is a syllabary, of course each syllable mora takes the same length of time since the notion of short/long vowels needs to be explicitly written out. The same probably holds for similar syllabary using languages as well, such as most Indian ones (e.g. Telugu).

Finally, the whole division of languages into "mora-timed/syllable-timed/stress-timed" seems insane. Isn't "mora timed" just a case of "syllable-timed" where the division of syllables into moras is regular and predictable (long syllable = 2 mora, short syllable = 1 mora)? Some recent research [1] has also disputed this categorization in favor of a more continuous measure in terms of vocalic intervals. This makes a lot more sense, and intuitively languages with complex constant clusters (e.g. English) are going to have more timing differences than ones like Japanese which will be relatively stable.

>> No. 36930 [Edit]
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I've been wondering where people really get their tastes from. It seems like nobody is really interested in looking into it, like looking for the answer is avoided because the answer might be really uncomfortable. Taste is treated as a sensitive, off-limits topic, similar to people's age or weight. People just chalk it up to magic basically. I like this thing because for whatever mysterious, unknowable reasons it pleases my sensory-cognitive complex. That's not an actual answer.

Linguistics make less sense as a field of typological study than economics.
>> No. 36931 [Edit]
>people really get their tastes from
You mean tastes as in preference (in e.g. media)? I think that past experiences probably play a role in shaping how relatable a work is to someone. It's also probably somewhat modulated (or counter-modulated if the person is antisocial) by societal preferences as well.
>> No. 36932 [Edit]
That's a general thing, but I'd like to know if it could be determined exactly why somebody likes the things they do. Will it ever be possible to measure that?
>> No. 36933 [Edit]
If we could do that then wouldn't we also be able to predict someone's actions? If you can pinpoint exactly why someone likes something, you can extend that to predict whether they will like something or not, so measuring "why" someone likes something seems to be a strictly harder problem since right now we can't even predict "whether" someone will like something more than a few seconds in advance.
>> No. 36937 [Edit]
I think there's going to be a lot of factors that play into it. Nostalgia is of course going to be a big one. Things that remind people of better times, that they associate with good feelings, that's going to factor into it a lot. There's also repeatability and representation, if it feels like the person is being catered/pandered to. Taste in more abstract things such as pasterns, colors, design styles ect can come from an image a person is trying to project, an image that they either admired growing up, or was again there during times of positive emotions.
That's where I think a lot of mine come from at least.
>> No. 36938 [Edit]
Impress is a funny word. It draws an analogy to taking some object and pressing it into something soft like clay to leave it behind. There's a lot of words like this but something about impress in particular makes me chuckle. I'm not sure why. Maybe because it's so blatantly related to something external?

This is something I've been wondering but more along the lines of hobbies. Why do people get into certain hobbies? "It's fun" seems like a shallow non-answer. There has to be something deeper that makes it fun for people. If you approach life in a very big picture way it seems unlikely you'll enjoy something like a model kit with a thousand parts because it's so detail oriented.

It really bugs me when I see people trying to make gatekeeping an evil thing, or encouraging people who normally wouldn't be into a hobby to get into it. You're essentially making it harder for people to find others who are like-minded. Tattoos are a good example. Back in the day if you saw someone with a lot of tats you could make a number of assumptions about them and be fairly on point. Now that everyone has tats you can't. It's just a passing, mainstream fashion statement. If I see somebody with tattoos I don't know if they're one of "my people" or just someone else who thought they were cool. And for the guy who had tats before they became like that... he's going to learn to dismiss people super quickly because he's so used to posers. Once tattoos became trendy and acceptable it became significantly harder for people who are naturally interested in them to find eachother.

Gatekeeping and elitism seem like a necessary "evil" to promote social cohesion. Honestly the people who are so intent on driving this narrative seem to be corporations and influencers who want their market to grow so they can make more money. People don't want to feel mean and so they parrot it not realizing what they're doing.
>> No. 36939 [Edit]
I could agree with that but I also think elitism have a dark side and can be used for people that just wants to feel superior to others. Once one person is genuinely interested in something there's no point in being a bully just for the sake of it. Also have seen this between fans of niche things, sometimes it's like there's a series so obscure there's like only two people in the whole world who like it, but one likes one character and the other doesn't, so they will argue endlessly and hate each other to death even if they are the two only souls that could share that particular thing.
Another archetype I often see is the cynic contrarian, in a community dedicated to something, he hates all (all movies, all anime, all games) except maybe one example or two, and spends all his energy and time telling everyone how bad is their taste and how lower their standards are.
Most of this is imageboard culture, at this point.
>> No. 36940 [Edit]
>Maybe because it's so blatantly related to something external?
In Japanese vocabulary you come across lots of words like these which make you pause for a moment. Like how "wakeru" means split but "wakaru" means understand. Seemingly unrelated at first, but then you come across "miwakeru" meaning "distinguish" and suddlenly the relationship makes sense. There's probably neat equivalents in English like "impression" as you mentioned, but since we're used to them we just take them for granted and don't pay much attention to their etymologies.
>> No. 36950 [Edit]
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I just realized that by typing an address ending in .con or .met it will be redirected to .com and .net Like: tohno-chan.con redirects to
>> No. 36957 [Edit]
That's not standard behavior. Either your browser is doing the redirecting for you (which it shouldn't), or your dns provider is doing it (which it also shouldn't).
>> No. 36958 [Edit]
I just tried it in my Firefox and Firefox seems to try very hard to autocorrect typos of this type. Think it's your browser.
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I've always disregarded disclaimers in medias about fictional characters and real life similarities being a coincidence and chalked off such coincidences as an impossibility but apparently there was a manga character that was so similar to a real life person he thought it was based off him and he ended up meeting the mangaka and will have a character based off him featured in said manga.
>> No. 36963 [Edit]
That's pretty awesome. What manga?
>> No. 36964 [Edit]
Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia
>> No. 36966 [Edit]
Which is also a good manga, regardless.
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I tried it out. It's the browser. I'm using the 83.0 version of Firefox at the moment. I'm not actually bothered by this, but it kinda weirds me out that there appears to be no traces of this change being mentioned anywhere. The only mentions of such a thing I managed to find were two old posts from 2002 and 2005 respectively, with users wishing that Firefox implemented such a change. There is actually a extension URLfixer for this, but I don't even have it installed on my browser.
Anyway it would be funny if we'd get to have .con and .met domains in the future.
Very strange indeed.
>> No. 36981 [Edit]
>if we'd get to have .con and .met domains in the future
With gtlds, anything is possible if you have enough money to fork over. But I doubt those two specific ones would get approved due to the typosquatting potential.
>> No. 36982 [Edit]
You can see it here:

The actual change was introduced around march/april:
>> No. 36985 [Edit]
(Sorry for double post but I can't seem to edit).
I'm also curious what happens "if "*.con" is indeed a valid hostname (e.g. you define "foo.con" in /etc/hosts). Does firefox still perform the redirection then? Skimming the code it seems like it would still try to rewrite it because ".con" isn't a "known" public suffix. But that doesn't seem like proper behavior at all.
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Imagine if there were anime award shows on tv, like on spike tv or some shit. How do you think that would play out?
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It would probably start off with crummy or overrated shounen anime getting the most awards until an anime equivalent of the last of us 2 or some other equally or more pozzed excuse for a story becomes the new norm, all of this likely further increasing the rate of westernization anime will go through if it isn't going through it now damaging the industry as a whole, it's fans, and any of it's artistic merits in the pursuit of all-encompassing propaganda.
The early days of it would definitely exponentially increase the amount and volume of normalniggers screeching and masturbating about jojo or some shit. It would never happen but a bunch of horribly obnoxious normalfags gathering onstage in a circle sacrificing one of le ebul inculs by burning him at a stake or some shit while they scream references and furiously masturbate to niggers cosplaying as jojo characters would be a hilariously accurate representation of the people who pretend to like anime and possibly america as a whole.
>> No. 37022 [Edit]
Look at the Game Awards and you'll know:
>Loads of previews that paid to be there
>Award goes to the highest paying/most westernized trash
>Everything gets decided by some random cabal of eceleb "experts" and not the audience at large to prevent any popular uprisings shattering the ivory tower view
>Nothing remotely niche even gets mentioned

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The internet and imageboards have a lot of computer, programming, math, and maybe physics nerds, but why aren't there more biology nerds? How come there aren't more complicated discussions about protein synthesis and gene editing or whatever on imageboards?
>> No. 37027 [Edit]
Just companies buying awards to make their products look better that's all.
>> No. 37033 [Edit]
Biology is more messy and is more "soft" than the others you mentioned so it sort of makes sense that there's less overlap. It's also harder to get involved since having access to a labratory is essentially required. Biology also has a larger overlap with people going into the medical field, which strikes me as a group that's less likely to use imageboards. That being said, computational biology is a wonderful field full of neat algorithms even if you don't care about the biological part (if you just treat the genome as a string, then you can just view sequence alignment as a fuzzy string matching problem). The recent folding advancements by DeepMind are also cool!
>> No. 37036 [Edit]
People can buy a crispr kit online for less than 200$ these days, pretty much any part of the world has insects and plants to dissect and I would consider much of programming to be softer than biology, but I see your point. I'm pursuing a biomed engineering degree, but I don't think I'll have anybody around these parts to talk about that stuff with once I actually know something about it.
>> No. 37037 [Edit]
Neat, I didn't know that. I wonder if high schools will start adopting it as part of their curriculum.

>I would consider much of programming to be softer than biology
Hm maybe "softer" isn't a good word (it's too vague). More precisely you could say that you have more definite knowledge about the state of the system in question (computer, living organism respectively) and it's easier to manipulate that state in programming. Whereas with biological systems it's harder to isolate and manipulate just one aspect; while you could do it in vitro, often those results may not generalize to in-vivo because of all sorts of cross-interactions that couldn't have been known apriori. It's in that sense that biology is more "messy" and the strength of results obtained is a lot softer/weaker.

>anybody around these parts to talk about that stuff with once I actually know something about it.
You never know; try posting on /navi/! More activity is always welcome. Although I do wonder where the biologists hang out. Outside of stackexchange-esque QA sites, I don't recall ever coming across a discussion forum for biology.
>> No. 37088 [Edit]
I found out that you can cause gum recession from brushing too hard. Stupid money grubbing dentists never bothered to tell me that I've been eroding my gums over the past few decades. Apparently they're also supposed to be measuring your gum depth every visit so it can be tracked, but they don't bother to do that either.
>> No. 37089 [Edit]
My dentist does. Sounds like you've got a shitty dentist. You should never put pressure on your teeth when flossing. Being thorough and forceful are different.
>> No. 37090 [Edit]
>they're also supposed to be measuring your gum depth every visit
Mine does too, but didn't really mention the strength thing. They have however told me that brushing in down to up for your lower teeth and up to down for the top teeth) can help in regenerating gums. Kind of like pushing the gums in the direction they should go.
>> No. 37091 [Edit]
> can help in regenerating gums
I thought that gums cannot be regrow? That aside, it does seem like the technique of "brushing in down to up for your lower teeth and up to down for the top teeth" would be less irritating to the gums and also potentially more effective in cleaning stuff.

Post edited on 21st Dec 2020, 7:16pm
>> No. 37096 [Edit]
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I've been thinking lately that human beings aren't meant to know the truth about a lot of thing. They're meant to believe in comfortable delusions. Maybe the truth is poisonous to human beings.

There's just the abyss. The reality that existence itself is completely indifferent to anyone or anything. No matter how badly one or more people suffer, it really doesn't make a difference. It really doesn't matter. There really isn't a good reason to care.

People always say "we're just a tiny blue dot in the middle of nowhere, so we should get along", but they don't follow through with this thinking and acknowledge it also means it wouldn't matter if this tiny blue dot completely vanished. None of their moral hang-ups matter either.

I'm afraid that if people knew I felt this way, they kill me. Knowing that me dying wouldn't make any difference at all makes it even scarier.

Post edited on 21st Dec 2020, 11:06pm
>> No. 37098 [Edit]
What you said made me think of Lovecraft.
As I see it, being "insignificant" is not a thought that bothers me. It's a matter of size? It seems quite banal, even if we're a tiny fraction, being unique means we're not insignificant at all. And if we're not unique and the universe is full of life then there's so much to see and learn to be abandoned to existential dread.

>The reality that existence itself is completely indifferent to anyone or anything.

I don't know enough about it so I will not talk about it as if I knew, but I suspect modern science has put some doubts into that.
>> No. 37099 [Edit]
The population is becoming increasingly atheist so I think most feel that way anyway, they just get on with their lives. Personally whether I matter or not in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant to me and doesn't change anything at all.
>> No. 37100 [Edit]
>The reality that existence itself is completely indifferent to anyone or anything. No matter how badly one or more people suffer, it really doesn't make a difference. It really doesn't matter. There really isn't a good reason to care.

That's silly. So if your house catches fire you won't move from your chair and let yourself get carbonized and suffer an agonizing death just because 'the universe' doesn't care about you? You're failing to see the basics here. Pain sucks and is reason enough to care. Other people's suffering sucks and you should care about them too. Ultimatelu, not getting carbonized and dying as a fireball matters to you and that should suffice. Of course the universe doesn't care, the universe is not a person. It's not that the universe is indifferent, it's more like the universe is not human and you shouldn't expect it to have feelings for you.

You're wishing for some anthropomorphized version of the universe where it's a cool bro that will realign the cells of people with cancer and cure your toothache and getting scared that isn't the case. Well, maybe the problem here is that you want to be religious. Because it seems very clear to me you're have the secular version of doubting that God exists.

>I'm afraid that if people knew I felt this way, they kill me.
It's more likely they would try to explain to you how silly your line of thought is just like I'm doing now. I can see religious people trying to convince you that God does care and all bad things will be fixed on some next life. That's another vastly more likely possibility.
>> No. 37101 [Edit]
I think it matters less whether someone is a proclaimed atheist than whether they believe in inherent values of right and wrong. The christian and the atheist will probably agree with at least one thing that both believe is either morally wrong or right. Like, murder, or violent rape, or stuff like that. Now being a species with a need to survive, this makes sense to have values like that. But realistically the moral compass of the human race, if it even exists, is about as objective as the belief of anything or anyone that values their own survival above other things. If you have a moral compass I'm not trying to shit on you and say you're some dumb little sheep who isn't a smart nihilist like me. Frankly I believe morals only need to have value to the person holding them, as I also believe this is the only way they exist at all in our universe in any substance. Morals are just an idea, the concept of a concept. I don't think even god could have the power to make meaning exist, because I don't think it's a valid concept. It's not even about whether god is real or not in my opinion, right and wrong just aren't real, they aren't valid, you can't create something that has no frame of reference to our universe or the laws of causality themselves. It would just float away.
>> No. 37102 [Edit]
It does matter if one is religious as if one is religious they will believe that all suffering happens for a reason and that there is a greater power and a greater good, they would also view this life as temporary and a trial that will lead onto something different.

Morals and religion(which itself is often created to dictate morals) are important, they enable society to function properly. All though it is becoming less important as we know have such a strong legal authority, the power to enforce it and increasingly the technology to find any wrong doing that whether you believe something like murder is wrong or right is irrelevant, you would be dumb to do it anyway.
>> No. 37103 [Edit]
I think most atheists still believe in right and wrong, even if they give other reasons the average atheist tends to be a progressive, strongly of the liberal inclination. Classically liberal or otherwise I believe the distinction is actually not important, everything after the fall of the monarchy and state religion is the same liberalism to me. They would probably be pretty upset if I or someone else told them that their beliefs are not objective. The part of their brain that creates moral reaction is no different from a religious persons, only the specific morals differ and then only in what the "best" way to provide a morally good life for people is. As for the last part of your post, well, I think some element of that has always existed and also that some element of people obeying moral law will always exist. Ironically I think the "good" atheist who intellectually acknowledges the reality of his position on theology is rare. I think the atheist who both acknowledges it and personally lacks any moral preferences is even rarer or maybe non-existent. In a sense some of this is just because people will naturally feel upset if something bad happens to THEM, thus even the nihilist will despair at his own supposed unimportance rather than switching a flip in his brain to turn off his emotions.

Although the distinction between belief in a greater good, and having a belief in both a greater good AND a greater power, is important. Though it may come down to being as simple as whether someone tends towards collectivism or individualism or not.
>> No. 37104 [Edit]
Yes they do. Whether one is christian or not we still live in a christian society. Our values and morals have been passed down to us through the ages and while it has changed the core beliefs have remained as they are intrinsically a part of the media we consume and the way we are brought up. However, atheist are not held to it in the same way christian are and so are more likely to take liberties with it or go against it if it somehow benefits them, after all they are not going to go to hell for breaking a moral they will just feel bad about it(provided they feel they can get away with it).
>> No. 37105 [Edit]
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Please take your religious discussion to /tat/. >>/r/15
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>Other people's suffering sucks and you should care about them too.
Why? I avoid suffering myself because it's unpleasant, but I also know that my suffering is inconsequential. If my own suffering doesn't matter, why would another person's?

You're failing to understand my premise. Your entire way of thinking seems to be based on things you mistakenly believe are facts("basics"). You lack mental flexibility.

Never mentioned religion.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 4:34am
>> No. 37108 [Edit]
>I also know that my suffering is inconsequential
You have this very silly idea that if the universe is not an anthropomorphized buddy of yours that cares about your fate then nothing is of consequence. It doesn't make sense. Pain and suffering is enough of a consequence for action, avoiding suffering is an end on itself.

>my premise.
Your premise is that you want the universe to have human feelings for you and you're feeling dejected because it obviously doesn't. In other words you just want God to exist. >>37105 is actually right. You're having religious breakdown even if you swapped a couple of words here and there. Eitherway, this is not the place to discuss it.
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>Pain and suffering is enough of a consequence for action
I've already explained why I would avoid pain. That doesn't transfer to anybody else though. I don't feel other people's pain and they don't feel mine.

>you want
Why are you putting words into my mouth and why do you seem so emotionally invested? I feel dejected because I feel alienated from others. They don't talk about things dispassionately as a matter of what's good or bad for society. They seem to really "care" when there isn't a real reason to, so I don't think they see what I do. I wouldn't mind the universe not caring if something else cared about me and gave me a sense of purpose and hope.

Why is the pondering thread not the one to discuss stuff like this? It's like your offended that I'm questioning something you hold near and dear.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 7:26am
>> No. 37110 [Edit]
It's true, your suffering and the suffering of others does not matter at all and maybe sometimes we can even profit off it. But to say that anothers suffering is completely irrelevant and will not effect you nor could it effect you is wrong. If you live with a sister or brother or even have a neighbor that you are close with or even a boss or coworker you do not like but have to work with then her or his suffering does effect you. If your sister is suffering she is not going to be pleasant to be around and her suffering may cause direct issues to your life, she may become depressed and stop working or get fired lowering the wealth of the household, she may take it out on you etc, conversely if she is happy she will be easier to be around and her life may improve and thus improve yours with it and if you help her when she is suffering she may help you when you are suffering in turn. If you just ignore her or add to her suffering it will only effect you negatively in the long run. Even in a more distant manner it can effect you, even if you are a heartless slave driver, you can only push your slaves so far, causing them to suffer too much will cause rebellion and easing their suffering slightly may improve their efficiency.

So even if you had no emotions or morals whatsoever, the suffering of others is going to negatively effect you and cause you to suffer.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 7:42am
>> No. 37111 [Edit]
That's a good point, but it only applies to people I'm involved with somehow. There are many more people whose circumstances have no effect on me. Most suffering is irrelevant to me then.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 8:23am
>> No. 37112 [Edit]
>it only applies to people I'm involved with somehow
Which is everyone on the planet. I don't think it's difficult to see how humanity is closely connected, specially on this day and age. Those people who died on the London bombings because of a conflict half a world away would have plenty to say about that. That's just one tiny example out of numerous anyone could give, you don't even need to think that hard really.
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Right now, somebody, more than one person probably, is dying or getting murdered or raped or is a sex slave. All of those people in nursing homes who barely know what's going on around them or those who have a terminal illness too. I'll never know anything about those people. I probably wouldn't like them even if I knew them. I can't see how they affect me. My connection to some average stranger on the other side of the planet is more distant than the insects outside my home. They wouldn't admit it unless provoked, but I think everybody feels the same about me.

People always talk about shared humanity or whatever in an abstract way, but almost all people don't think like me. They don't value what I value. They constantly disappoint me. I'd accept a machine or a fish that thinks like me before a person who doesn't.

Why do you feel that connection? Do you really like people that much?

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 9:32am
>> No. 37114 [Edit]
I'm not talking about some weird spiritual connection here, or some empathy thing, I'm talking about literally, you're closely connected with those people. Food prices raise when there's more demand for it somewhere, it affects you. People littering the streets affect you. People using cars affect the air you breath. All the services provided to you so your toilet doesn't overflow and you drown in your own waste, that's all people's doing. All around you people are doing things that affect you directly, that's what I'm talking about. Those millions of people with cancer and that died of cancer were a force for medical research and advancement on treatment, so if you ever have cancer yourself, the only reason treatment exists is because other people had that and died before you. The only reason you have clothing is because people have been cold for thousands of years and collectively came up with an idea on how to not freeze to death. Literally everything you use, consume and even the things you think about, come from other people. The very language you use even. You didn't invent English did you? The very ideas you use and concepts and wording, you only have that because of your connection with other people.

You don't need to know a person for a connection to exist. For sure you don't need to like people for that connection to exist, it exists regardless of your wanting. It's literally all around you. I didn't think I would have to explain that people live in a society but there you go, I just did.
>> No. 37115 [Edit]
Any of the people you mentioned could have been swapped out for others. Including myself. Different people could have been born or gotten illnesses or have other bad things happen to them. People as an amorphous blob is different from them as individuals. As individuals, almost everybody is replaceable and disposable, if they're even useful to society to begin with, which not everybody is. What about neets? What about those sex slaves?

None of what you've written proves that individuals' suffering affects me. People suffer, yes, but they could be anybody. Society can handle a lot more suffering before it perceptibly changes anything for me. Tasmania could vanish and I'd barely notice it. More and more things are also being automated, so the significance of other people is diminishing.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 10:39am
>> No. 37116 [Edit]
Well it's like I said, it doesn't matter if you personally know them, if you consider them individuals or amorphous blobs. The connection exists. Those people are real and affect you directly. That post is going to be my only attempt at explaining that, if you still think you're floating in empty space independent of everyone but mom and dad then that's how you'll be leaving this conversation. Sorry.
>> No. 37117 [Edit]
Most of the things you're talking about actually came from a very small set of people that developed it in near-isolation. For clothes and basic tools, that is almost always developed separately by different tribes. For language, there's certainly a larger group but I'm sure I would still be speaking some language that would work well enough without it. Also this whole global reliance thing is more forced than anything else, considering it wouldn't even be true 150 years ago. It really does amaze me how some people are already in the mindset that this is one giant earth family.
>> No. 37118 [Edit]
You're really hung up on the idea that every single person is important, but completely ignore every example I've given where that's not the case. You can't explain to me how a neet in South Korea jumping off a building changes anything for me. If you tried, it would be contrived, tortured and unverifiable. Some people are undeniably more important than others in the sense you're talking about. That means there's no intrinsic worth to a person.

I never thought I was "floating in empty space independent of everyone but mom and dad" as you put it so condescendingly. As an oh so worldly person, do you really think if the murder rate in Laos increased by 2% your life would change in any way?
>> No. 37119 [Edit]
I never wanted to prove every single person is important. Importance is relative anyway, I just wanted to show that living in a society literally means you're connected to a huge number of people and that those people, regardless if you know them or not, have a real impact in your life. That's literally all I was trying to convey. I guess it's so obvious that you assumed I wanted to prove something else? Because I wasn't. That's it.

As for some people being more important than others, I suppose that's true, relatively speaking. For sure the president of the US have a lot more impact in history than the guy asking for change in front of the grocery store. But then again, I don't know how that factors into what I was trying to prove earlier. Again, maybe the stuff I was talking about is so obvious it looked like I wanted to prove something else. And I agree, there's no intrinsic worth to a person. How could it be? All value is attributed, including the value used to claim the president is more important than the panhandler. I would not be able to point out a single thing, human or otherwise, that has intrinsic value.

As for the murder rates in Laos, yes, I do think everything has consequences. To make a very long story short I agree with the propositions of chaos theory and the butterfly effect.
>> No. 37120 [Edit]
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If you were responding to this
>If my own suffering doesn't matter, why would another person's?
By explaining that people are necessary for society to function, you misinterpreted what I meant by matter.

With the butterfly effect, you're assuming the consequent effect(s) to you has time to reach you before you die, which I don't think is true most of the time. Even if everything that happened to anyone would effect the stuff your body is made of eventually, the time it would take for that to happen could exceed your lifespan. Not everything will effect everything else greatly enough within a time frame short enough to "care" about most things. The eventual effect(s) might also be so small it might as well not have happened because the mind doesn't have enough reason to be distressed by it.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 12:19pm
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Hm, no, the only thing I ever meant and repeatedly said is that you're directly affected by a lot more people than you might assume at first.
But I see. Basically you're defending yourself from statements I never made and of course in your own view I'm distorting what you meant. Classic internet retarded discussion. And now you're getting ready for another round, trying to deflect things about the butterfly effect I never said. I merely said it exists and there you go imagining arbritary time frames and life spans and whatever else.

I'm not doing this again for another subject matter anon. I guess the only thing we can take from this is what a monumental waste of time arguing online is for all parties involved. Here's a gen1 poke for you. Be well.
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Do you think every single discussion where two people disagree on something is an argument? Do you really think I was "deflecting" and "defending myself" like I'm concerned about my reputation? From my perspective, the response you just posted came out of nowhere.

>the only thing I ever meant and repeatedly said
Why did you reply to me with this >>37110 then? What was the point of that? Unless you assumed I think something I don't, and were trying to convey a message to me that you thought I was unaware of, there's no reason for you to have.

>I merely said it exists
No you didn't. You didn't randomly mention the butterfly effect for no reason what so ever and with no insinuation of a point as a random non sequitur.

>do you really think if the murder rate in Laos increased by 2% your life would change in any way?
>As for the murder rates in Laos, yes, I do think everything has consequences. To make a very long story short I agree with the propositions of chaos theory and the butterfly effect.
What could this possibly mean? Could it be that you implied your life would change when you wrote "yes... everything has consequences" because otherwise there would be literally no point in writing that? Could it be that you mention the butterfly effect as proof it would effect you because that's directly related to what we were talking about and otherwise mentioning it would have no point? No, that's stupid. Conversations are stupid.

Post edited on 22nd Dec 2020, 2:27pm
>> No. 37123 [Edit]
>Why did you reply to me with this >>37110 then?
I didn't.
>> No. 37159 [Edit]
"At the entrance of the modern time stands the “God-man.” At its exit will only the God in
the God-man evaporate? And can the God-man really die if only the God in him dies? They did
not think of this question, and thought they were through when in our days they brought to a
victorious end the work of the Illumination, the vanquishing of God: they did not notice that Man
has killed God in order to become now — “sole God on high.” The other world outside us is indeed
brushed away, and the great undertaking of the Illuminators completed; but the other world in us
has become a new heaven and calls us forth to renewed heaven-storming: God has had to give
place, yet not to us, but to — Man. How can you believe that the God-man is dead before the Man
in him, besides the God, is dead?"
I think this quote encompasses what I'm saying. It comes directly after Stirner explains how the ideologies seeking freedom elected to pursue it by removing people of things and thus freeing them of them, i.e. freedom FROM god, freedom FROM wealth (as opposed to freedom of wealth), freedom FROM dissenting opinions. What good does it do to remove god when you immediately replace it with mankind as a new, sacred object which must not be transgressed upon?
>> No. 37161 [Edit]
Mankind is more flexible and obviously not infallible, so it's a less strict master. Life has tended to improve when mankind is placed above God as described in a book that is not allowed to change. Also, not everything is about "freedom".
>> No. 37162 [Edit]
>Life has tended to improve when mankind is placed above God
In this context, barely. Mankind here refers to the vague idea of "mankind" as some magical standard to respect and revere.
>Also, not everything is about "freedom"
Freedom doesn't exist.
>> No. 37169 [Edit]
In Conan the Barbarian, the sentiment that two stood against many is heroic. But if one stands against many, is he a villain by default?
>> No. 37193 [Edit]
What do mangaka do during hiatus? Is the money they have enough to cover all their expenses or do they take side jobs in between? And who would be considered to be standing at the turning point in between the two possibilities? It is very hard for me to believe that someone com go for years or almost a decade without releasing anything and doesn't even have to work, even if the person may be famous.
>> No. 37194 [Edit]
I remember reading in Bakuman that even if you have a particularly successful work you barely make enough money to live a few years from it so you have to work again quickly, and that sounded like it was the authors talking about themselves after the huge hit that was Death Note.
On the other hand I remember Takimoto living years without working from Welcome to the NHK money, and that was just a light novel, but he also returned to being a hikki so maybe his expenses were just really low.
>> No. 37206 [Edit]
They can still make money from royalties, like most authors do.
>> No. 37267 [Edit]
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No. One man vs the world always makes the one as heroic.
>> No. 37329 [Edit]
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Presentation does matter!
>> No. 37339 [Edit]
Do you ever wonder what the world would be like if everybody had your spending habits? So much money is spent on commercials for smart phones, fastfood, snakes and other assorted crap. I have a smart phone, but the next time I'll be replacing it will be in like 10 years probably. I never physically go the movie theater to watch a movie on the rare occasions that I do so. I don't pay for music either. I don't eat dorritoes or burgerking. I wear the same few articles of clothing for years until it gets worn down basically. Would the whole economy collapse if everybody spent money like me?

Post edited on 10th Jan 2021, 9:03pm
>> No. 37340 [Edit]
Not really, although it bothers me how terrible some people are with money, my sister works a full time job yet still lives in a share house and has no savings, I am in a better financial situation than her and I am on welfare, I'm in a better financial situation than most people in my family for that matter...

Money has to be spent at some point so it would not actually impact the economy as a whole just the products in it. If people stopped buying clothes all of the time it would raise the cost of clothing and probably encourage higher standards than the mass produced garbage we have as the market for mass produced garbage would be diminished. It would boost the money being spend in other fields too, if they are not spending it on clothes and other garbage then they will probably either spend it on more expensive goods like cars and jewelry or they will save up even more and use it to purchase property. Either way it ends up in the economy somehow.
>> No. 37341 [Edit]
In my case the following would go bankrupt:
Fashion industry, Soda and junk food, alcohol, tobacco, lottery, sports, hollywood and tv producers, concerts, social media...
The list is too long, but it'd be great
>> No. 37342 [Edit]
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I had, actually. I would like to think the world would use less resources but there's other things I spend money in.
I don't buy clothes, I don't own an smpartphone, I don't drive, I don't use heat, I don't travel, I've never been in a plane or a ship, I don't drink alcohol, I use the cheapest internet available. In the other hand, I like fastfood, I like to go the movies sometimes (is it that bad? some people has critized me for this in the past) and I like model kits and physical games. I guess most of the economy, except the cultural japanese one and some few fastfood places, would disappear if all made the same. But I have an austerity mindset so I actually feel guilty about the few things I spend money in, if something.
>> No. 37343 [Edit]
Industries around the world would just find alternative means of getting your money, and more aggressive ways of manipulating people into spending money.
If everyone only bought a smart phone once every ten years, Phone companies would either cut the life span of all phones by more than half, or double their prices. Same would go for most other things. The only reason we get away with what we do, is because we're a very small minority that isn't worth paying attention to.
>> No. 37352 [Edit]
I just can't seem to figure out where Virginia falls in the regional breakup of the U.S. Is it south? North? Mid-Atlantic? Appalachia? No one seems to agree on this and I can't decide either. It's got a little bit of both but not enough of any one.
>> No. 37357 [Edit]
You know what's weird? I have no recollection of how I got here in the first place. I have great memory and remembers many threads from years ago, but I feel like I just woke up one day and the address was in front of me. Even the mentions screenshot at /pic/ doesn't have any mention of this site in that time. I wonder if some neets broke into my house and turned my computer on and left the site there.
>> No. 37358 [Edit]
You're welcome.
>> No. 37361 [Edit]
Can't say the same, I remember seeing it mentioned as an meetup location after a possible deletion of /a/ many years ago. Weird to think I would actually leave /a/ of my own accord first.
>> No. 37408 [Edit]
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If a normal person with no prior interest was kidnapped and forced to watch anime for five years, when they're released, what do you think their perception of anime would be?
>> No. 37409 [Edit]
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They would probably hate it even more and start crying to everyone that anime is inherently traumatic and should be banned or something.
>> No. 37458 [Edit]
I wonder about multiplayer games in shithole countries. I live in a third-world place, and my internet connection is too bad for playing online. I can't even play mahjong. My internet provider changed multiple times, the result is the same, good enough for me to download crap but not enough to try and play something with someone.
>> No. 37477 [Edit]
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Do you ever feel like your entire life revolves around mood altering distractions? Music, exercise, food, sleep, masturbation, escapist media. Everything else is work you do to feel accomplished, acquire resources, or gain more access to distractions. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like everything I do is for the sake of manipulating myself into making being alive tolerable.
>> No. 37478 [Edit]
My daily life alternates between obsessively worrying about some trivial thing, wanting to kill myself, and distracting myself from all that by watching anime. Usually it cycles in that order: I'll get worked up over something and spent dozens of hours with it on my mind
>> No. 37479 [Edit]
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When I was a teenager I indulged in my hobbies because I enjoyed them. But even back then I think there was some amount of coping involved. Now half of the reason why I participate in most of my hobbies is to cope. To think differently, to feel differently, and see differently than what the real world makes me. It doesn't feel good at all that it has to be this way and I hate it but I think that's all that I'm used to and can even imagine. Almost as if the pretty illusion was taken down for me a little early on in my life and I felt the need for something to replace it or some way to escape unpleasant realities. That last part is part of why I enjoy sleeping as much as I do. If I don't have any nightmares or nice dreams that make me feel bad when I wake up then I don't have to think or see anything at all and a peaceful void is the best I can get.
>> No. 37481 [Edit]
Distractions from what, exactly? I think it's real life that distracts me from the cool things, actually.
>> No. 37482 [Edit]
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Ageing, encroaching death, existential dread, lack of companionship, powerlessness, alienation.
>> No. 37483 [Edit]
I would like to think most of those aren't real things.
>> No. 37484 [Edit]
So you're distracting yourself then.
>> No. 37485 [Edit]
What I meant is, most of those things, and what we call "real life", aren't necessarily more real than other things, sometimes they can even be mere tricks of the mind. For a monk the real could be enlightenment and all those, the actual distractions and fake worries. I just think sometimes we want to focus on things that make us feel bad and we show disdain for things that make us feel good, all based on the supposed objective importance of things, and maybe it's not the best course of action.
>> No. 37486 [Edit]
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So delusion then. The most real things are what you can see around you when sober and attentive. The more "enlightened" you become, the more you deny what's right in front of you for things you can't see or measure. Sitting outside and just watching things live and die without any explanation tells you far more about the world than closing your eyes and looking inward.
>> No. 37487 [Edit]
That is a heavenly picture

>The more "enlightened" you become, the more you deny what's right in front of you
There's that famous quote "Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water." Even if there is such a thing as enlightenment, so long as you have to partake in the material world I'm not sure how much use it will be. If you go by some schools then meditation is a way to calm down or completely suspend your thoughts. In some general sense I guess that's a form of "distraction" as well – you're distracting yourself from the world around you by rejecting participation in it entirely.
>> No. 37491 [Edit]
I don't think that has anything to do with meditation or enlightenment, but if something it's the complete opposite. To start with, you don't close your eyes to meditate, and some could even tell you you don't need a particular static position either, it's an state of the mind while the rest is accesory.
But it was just an example and I wouldn't like to debate something completely different now. I just wanted to introduce a different viewpoint, that maybe we can decide what's important and real and what's not.
Could be meditation, math, art, playing videogames, doesn't matter.
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What is the appeal of NTR and why is it so popular in Japan? At the very least I've been seeing so much of it dominating recent doujin(especially eroge) releases.
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I think NTR is specifically made so people self-insert as the girl. Guy 1 doesn't do anything, and Guy 2 wouldn't matter if he didn't have Girl.
>> No. 37564 [Edit]
Taboo and low self-esteem. People there tend to have low self-esteem and feel repressed, so stepping on someone else or being stepped on is something they feel strongly towards. NTR elicits strong emotions and strong emotions like arousal, anger and excitement tend to get mixed up in people's head. Adrenaline and dopamine is adrenaline and dopamine regardless of the context.

A common misconception is that people choose who they self-insert as. Really it's up to the author to pick which character's perspective the reader adopts. Kind of hard to self-insert as someone who barely shows up, doesn't have drawn eyes and doesn't have any thought bubbles.

Post edited on 5th Feb 2021, 5:38pm
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I did a little bit of research and it seems that both of you hit the mark. There are some who are attracted to NTR because they self-insert as the female which I personally see as somewhat absurd and difficult to make sense of. The more common reasoning seems to be about domination/empowerment and degradation/corruption which is the running theme in most erodoujin anyway. But with domination, shouldn't netori be more popular than netorare then? In any case, perhaps I've simply grown too jaded of fetishism in general.

Specifically I've seen comments about sexual liberation when self-inserting as the female.

That makes sense, suppose it works the same way the suspension bridge effect does. I don't necessarily think that that's the case. The author does for the most part have control over who they want the reader to relate/self-insert with but ultimately the reader will only be able to relate to characters they feel an affiliation to. There's a reason why silent protags are a thing. Personally I find it hard to self-insert as a well-defined character. Perhaps it all has to do with one's sense of identity, people with a stronger sense of self-identity might have a harder time self-inserting as a character.
>> No. 37573 [Edit]
>the reader will only be able to relate to characters they feel an affiliation to
Come to think of it, self-inserting as anybody isn't necessary. A reader can just be an observer. Empathizing with a character isn't the same as "self-inserting" as them and any character can be empathized with if the author focuses on their perspective. Even something like camera angles can contribute to this. Eroge is a visual medium.

Post edited on 6th Feb 2021, 6:32am
>> No. 37574 [Edit]
You are correct. Thinking about it whenever I engage in any otaku media, I only put myself in the role of an observer of said subject matter. In fact I suspect I might be incapable of actually self-inserting which might be why I find the whole "self-insert" perspective difficult to understand. That might explain why I find it hard to enjoy certain things people do.
>> No. 37575 [Edit]
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Self-inserting is just an insulting buzzword to shame people who enjoy relatable characters and scenarios.
>> No. 37681 [Edit]
I think it has something to do with hatred towards your mother. Especially if that hatred is repressed and full of guilt. That and a fear of intimacy. At least that was the case for me. Polite spoiler for being rather unsavory content.

The kink is pretty degrading towards everyone involved. To the cuck for obvious reasons, to the woman for having her emotions so easily swayed by sex, and to the bull for being either some dirty pervert or shameless fuckboy who only wants sex. The bull and the cuck really have the same insecurity, the main difference is how adequate they feel. They hate their mother and want to punish her. The cuck wants to punish her by increasing her milage (so he will be worthy of her). The bull wants to punish her by taking her current man down a notch and treating her like a sex object so that he can demand respect and feel worthy.

There also seems to be an element of evading responsibility/attention whoring. The cuck is afraid to take action and sees that as a bad quality so he enlists the help of the bull who's quite insecure in his own right and chest pounds like an annoying attention whore. Neither one of which are good behaviors to have.

This entire thing probably sounds like kooky Freudian nonsense. I'm not sure how to explain it but given my own experiences and the endemic mommy issues in Japanese society I think I'm onto something. I used to be cursed with an immense attraction to both netori/netorare and I lost it after an intense drug experience where I came to terms with hatred towards my mom. Thank god. I hated having that fetish. If only mommy would have held me more I never would have got into that garbage.

>> No. 37723 [Edit]
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Does anybody else find it ironic how the more niche a hobby is, the more you have to socialize with others to learn about it? Niche hobbies are associated with less social people, but the more popular a hobby is, the more resources will exist so that people can engage with and learn about it without having to interact with other people.

Something like chess has a million books about it and you can play online with a computers whenever you feel like it. Following American, syndicated sports can be the least social interest in the world if you want it to be.

Playing an obscure card game in a foreign language on the other hand is impossible without another person and you have to look for real-time chat rooms to ask people questions when you're first starting. IRC channels and private trackers are other forms of this.

In the past, anime fans had to rely on each other for files/vhs tapes and subbing, while now they don't most of the time because companies and impersonal third parties do all of that work for them. More niche material like doujinshi though still forces people to interact in a community structure.

Post edited on 18th Feb 2021, 6:45pm
>> No. 37724 [Edit]
NTR fans are loyal (ironically; see how much support has-beens like MTSP get?) and support artists that create these sort of things, it really isn't that popular and most people dont care about the plot if the art is good. Cheating girl is one of the easiest and common porn plots. Also consider that most NTR media barely has any mention of it, and the guy usually doesn't even have a face, I doubt things where emotionally torturing the MC like xration's work is prominent has the same wide appeal.
It also comes down to what westerners see due to commissions, but that is a different topic.
>> No. 37733 [Edit]
I was checking my mal just now and realized that for the past year or so all I watched is slice of life shows with an all female cast pretty much. Didn't give a second thought about it because I had this happened to me before where the more miserable I feel the more lighthearted the stuff I watch gets but then I realized I've become the exact type of anime fan that Tomoko finds it to be the most disgusting of them all. I don't really mind what people would think of my watching habits but thinking Tomoko cringing at my anime list kinda bothered me. I'm bothered now. Damn it. Tried to watch Death Note and switched to New Game! after ep.1 because everything is too bleak.
>> No. 37735 [Edit]
Oh yeah forgot to mention I stopped following the manga for a long while, thought about going back to it and checked ganganonline. The last several covers she's surrounded by an army of friends. Jesus Christ what the fuck happened..
>> No. 37737 [Edit]
And why does it matter what Tomoko thinks? Considering she listens to /plays BL eroge I don't think her "taste" is objectively any better.
>> No. 37739 [Edit]
I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying things that are light heated cute and generally pleasant. Why is it more socially acceptable to watch edgelord shit like deathnote? and something cute and fun like new game is bad? Sure deathnote has a more interesting and unique plot, but it's still pretty dang edgelord shit. Rather than assume there's something wrong with you for turning to wholesome entertainment, shouldn't you instead be asking what's wrong with a culture that encourages dark, violent, and depressing entertainment?

Yeah she has no right to judge anyone. Even other women into similar stuff thought she was cringey, like when she got that VA to voice her all those embarrassing lines so she could rub off to them later.
>> No. 37741 [Edit]
I think it's a path that a lot of people who are into otaku media are going to wound up into. I can partly sympathize with you being embarrassed by a character because I am also at a point where I probably value fictional characters more than real people. However, I always try to remind myself that at then end of the day they are ultimately a figment of another real person's imagination.

I used to be put off by everything "kawaii" but having read/watched a relatively copious amount of "mature" medias, ultimately you realize that everything is still as formulaic and hackneyed as the people who complain about cgdct being boring and generic. Characters and plots aren't really as innovative as people think, things still fall into certain archetypes with a different coating.
>> No. 37744 [Edit]
>it's still pretty dang edgelord shit
If it's wrong for people to judge others for liking moe, why is it okay for you to judge people for liking "non-wholesome edglord shit"?
>> No. 37749 [Edit]
There's a sort of depravity that comes with enjoying graphic violence that you don't get with cute and family friendly media. Any culture, institutions, or persons, who think it's okay to enjoy watching an execution, but not okay to enjoy watching girls drink tea and chitchat, is screwed up to put it simply.
>> No. 37750 [Edit]
I would argue it's the most normal thing in the world to enjoy violence. But, I think the same for cute things.
>> No. 37752 [Edit]
Just because it's normal doesn't mean it is appropriate. That is probably the reason why the world is so screwed and is the point >>37749 is trying to make.
>> No. 37753 [Edit]
Enjoying violence seems to be generally acceptable everywhere, and is only questionable when an individual shows an overly obsessive fixation with it. At that point friends and family might call into question the person's sanity, but probably not much more.
Enjoying cute things is only socially acceptable under certain situations. One prerequisite is being female, males who enjoy these things are considered weird creepy or gross, but homosexuals can often times get a pass on this. Another prerequisite is being rather young. Even if you're female, the older you get the less acceptable it becomes. This varies from one culture to the next. In eastern countries the age allotment is much higher than western ones. Women here over the age of say, 15, who still enjoy cute things will be met with some criticism and or mockery from their peers, it's considered childish and weird for anyone over a certain age. The only western groups I can think of who accept or even encourage wholesome media meanwhile, are the very religious ones. People outside of those groups would consider their media "lame" at best.
>> No. 37754 [Edit]
You sound like those mainstream media reporters, reporting on violent videogames or something.
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"Wholesome media" is a dumb, fabricated concept invented when people stopped reading books and corporate heads got to decide most of what people consume. Tastes have changed and so have the corporate heads, but this milquetoast ideal has continued to permeate through the soccer mom infested anglo-sphere. 50s sitcoms are "wholesome". A lot of cute anime has loli, yuri or otherwise sexual undercurrents. You can ignore that and still enjoy those things, but using a label like wholesome implies there's unwholesome media, which is a destructive and restrictive notion,

Post edited on 21st Feb 2021, 9:24am
>> No. 37762 [Edit]
Sometimes I muse at the thought of conversing with creators whose works I admire. I wonder if I'd end up hating them as a person and vice versa or if we'd actually get along. How much is our enjoyment of an object dependent on us imposing our perspective on it? Throughout history there are many instances of creators accusing their audiences of misunderstanding their intent and creation. Similarly I've always sat on the idea of making something but sometimes wonder if it's better off not to due to earlier misgivings. Not too long ago, I read about a doujin artist "retiring" from drawing anything related to a series after an official announcement from said series discouraging people from depicting their characters suggestively.

Post edited on 21st Feb 2021, 4:33pm
>> No. 37763 [Edit]
My opinion is that people can't own ideas. As soon as they put something out there for public viewing, it stops belonging to them. They can't decide how people interpret it or what derivatives they make. Money complicates things, but the internet allows this ideal to exist despite that.

>How much is our enjoyment of an object dependent on us imposing our perspective on it?
It's entirely dependent because you can't help but have a certain perspective on something. If you didn't, enjoying anything would be impossible.
>> No. 37766 [Edit]
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I think I might have hipster tendencies. Even when a particular interest of mine is already niche and obscure, like a little known game, I gravitate towards less popular strategies and aspects of it. Maybe I don't like the idea of doing what everybody else does or maybe I think going on a less trod path will let me discover some kind of hidden knowledge. Either way, there's something rewarding to me about doing things in a way which most people don't. Not that I would inconvenience myself too much or keep doing something that doesn't work, but when it does work, it feels great.
>> No. 37767 [Edit]
Because I cared a great deal about Tomoko for a long time at one point and the feeling is never really gone I suppose.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong about that. You know how she can be very judgemental though. I guess I was equally harsh on others (in my mind only) at her age as well. I think it's that time when having taste is more important than escaping and that's when you feel it's only natural to bash what other people like. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this, I don't know. I'll spend some points today on gangan and check if she changed at all. The covers are not looking enticing, it's starting to look like a Hinatazaka46 cd cover, probably on purpose just to punish us, we'll see.
I try to not remind myself of anything, dear anon.
>> No. 37769 [Edit]
>I read about a doujin artist "retiring" from drawing anything related to a series after an official announcement from said series discouraging people from depicting their characters suggestively.

What series was that. Just curious.
>> No. 37770 [Edit]
Not him, but I know love live did that.
>> No. 37772 [Edit]
>> No. 37776 [Edit]
Glad I never gave them any money. Anno is officially the Japanese George Lucas.
>> No. 37777 [Edit]
Violence is human nature. All of our modern comforts are the leftovers from massive multi billion dollar programs trying to drop as many city-killing warheads as possible as quickly as possible and as effectively as possible. Mans heart is in his weapons, don't ever forget that.
>> No. 37778 [Edit]
I don't have a problem with violence in itself but rather the over glorification of it in medias and how it's representation is disconnected with how it is in reality. Also, the original poster was commenting on violence in contrast with "cute" media. My main issue with the post I quoted is primarily with the idea that something is acceptable if it's "normal".
>> No. 37781 [Edit]
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The closest thing I can think of as "violence glorification" in this context is Black Lagoon, and even that's seriously stretching it. Violence in anime/manga is virtually always shown to be mentally harmful to the person doing the violence too. Death Note is one of the most obvious examples of this.
>> No. 37784 [Edit]
I would not really agree with that. In most anime either there is no message or the message is neutral to positive, it's very rarely negative.
>> No. 37786 [Edit]
Token negative contextualization does not mean they are not still glorifying it or producing violence for viewer's pleasure. They may as well say "Don't do this at home blah blah this is bad blah blah BLAH who cares?! lets have some fun and start the gore porn!"
People don't watch slasher flicks for the interpersonal and emotional drama young adults face while trying to survive an overwhelming terrifying and unnatural habringer of their inescapable doom. No they want to see dumb horny teenagers get hacked to bits in fun and creative ways, with bonus points for cool or realistic looking practical effects.
Just as something like Hirigashi wasn't popular with kids for it's story of Rika's physiological torment and unwavering dedication to saving her friends while uncovering an evil plot ripping her small town apart, no dumb teens just wanted to see "killer lolis" and "bitches gettin pwned" while making funny faces.
>> No. 37787 [Edit]
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>slasher flicks
Pretty low bar. You can have both gratuitous violence and more fleshed out characters.

I question your definition of "glorying", which is a semantic issue. Manga and Anime are forms of entertainment, so anything in them is going to be there for the sake of entertainment. You can't have violence in a piece of media, but not for the sake of entertainment in some way or another. Even if it's supposed to make the viewer sad or whatever, it still serves the same purpose.

Your "problem" with violence portrayed incorrectly according to you comes across as soccer momish to be honest. Violent or otherwise "inappropriate" media, can't be blamed for the world's problems. That's confusing causation with correlation. Let "dumb teens" or sadists(like me) who get a kick out of stuff like Higurashi get their fix.
>> No. 37788 [Edit]
I'm not saying violent media causes people to be violent. You may be confusing me with another anon? That or putting words in my mouth? If that's what you're into then so be it. I'm not here to judge anyone. I just think it's weird that it's more acceptable than non-violent media, I also think a person is kidding themselves if they think it's more than what it is, and that a person may as well be honest with themselves rather than make up excuses for what they like.
You're right by the way that our definitions probably differ a lot on what constitutes glorification of violence. One person might say it's a depiction of violence in a positive context, another would say it's a depiction of violence for entertainment regardless of context. I think it falls somewhere in between, as some media truly does intend to leave a person unsettled and bothered by scenes of graphic violence. It's there not for us to enjoy but make us feel something other than joy or excitement. There's certainly no way I could call something like that a glorification of violence.
>> No. 37789 [Edit]
>I'm not saying violent media causes people to be violent
>Just because it's normal doesn't mean it is appropriate. That is probably the reason why the world is so screwed
I don't really know how to interpret this.
>> No. 37791 [Edit]
I think it's better for everyone if when you realize a person starts to take himself too seriously or covertly defensive, just let it go. It's never worth it.
>> No. 37792 [Edit]
Sorry if I'm being hard to understand. I don't mean to say it's causing violence, but that it's desensitizing people to it.
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Lately I'm having dreams about my classmates from middle school again. I never have dreams about my adult life. Even my unconscious or whatever it is seems to consider my adulthood to be too uneventful and boring to be thought about. It's impossible not to notice that the people behind the otaku industry also seem to have a special place for school life in their minds. Of course a lot of the media has students themselves as the target audience and that would partially justify it but I believe there's more to it than just that.

The forced socialization I went through in school was the peak of my social life. After that the "system" is done, it's up to you to pursue life in society. Once school is over, making any lasting connections with people become a lot harder and to some, probably next to impossible. That seems to be the case for everyone, not only to reclusive weirdos. If you start searching online stuff like "making friends after 30" "making friends as an adult" you'll find a staggering amount of articles and other stuff about it, including friendship making gurus because of course that's a thing it exists. Those articles always mention the obvious things. Look for people who share hobbies with you, attend to social events blablabla. Everything is so insipid. I think it overlooks the fact that something inside you goes bad and that innate ability to connect to people in a deeper level is broken by something. For some it was never that good in the first place.

I also realized recently that 99% of the conversations I have is with myself. Of all the things I think about, only 1% will ever be known to people on the outside. Maybe that's the case with everyone? Not that anything I think about is worth to be known of course.
>> No. 37801 [Edit]
>that innate ability to connect to people in a deeper level
I've never really had that. In school, I had acquaintances I talked to only in the class we shared, who rotated on a yearly basis.
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The movie Stand by Me made a similar point;
>I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was 12. Jesus, does anyone?

I guess there's biological reasons, most adults only have friends as couples, a thing I find particularly horrifying, but it makes some sense. That would also explain the despair of males for achieving a (often horrible) life with a female since since that could also be perceived as the only way to avoid social ostracism.
Personally I also find my mind and dreams stuck in school years, but since those were hell you could say I'm perpetually stuck in hell.
The topic of social isolation has too many implications. I remember in my 20's reflecting of how I could spend 4 or 5 days without hearing my own voice and how weird that felt, how I created a self that had nothing to do with the self others could see and so many other thoughts.
>> No. 37888 [Edit]
With most people it goes like that, no matter what your MS or HS school-life was actually like. Imagine it like this, your brain is like you were as a child, it is in a room full of toys. The child looks at the new toys, they are new, polished, but they are generic, no personality, and have no relations one to each other. Like a child, he wants to play with toys, making they act in storylines, but they are not interesting, and no emotion will be brought upon by witnessing their act. So he opens an old crest, and under the cobwebs there are old toys, battered and dusty, but they are interesting, they have intricate backgrounds and relations to each other, the baby wants to play.
So does your brain goes about making its stories. Being a loner or not has nothing to do with it. Per example, even if you spoke with no one and were friendless in your youth, and speaks with some adults in the present, it still doesn't matter. In adult life there's no fights, no people challenging the teacher, getting thrown out of the classroom, threatened with suspension, etc. Everything is mechanical, this form, sign this, and polite, there's no primal instinct involved. No food for the primitive mind. Moreover, everyone you met, you observed during years, the years of change, for most youngsters, and you saw they interacting with each other, everyone of them. This creates a complete personality for most of them.
>> No. 37892 [Edit]
>In adult life there's no fights, no people challenging the teacher, getting thrown out of the classroom, threatened with suspension, etc.
I'm pretty sure stuff like that does happen in the "real world". Most adults, before they settle down, are obsessed with social relations, and afterwards they still care about politics and celebrity gossip. In school and now, other people have felt like empty husks who talking to is pointless. Students acting out like that is just more proof of them being alien to me and empty, obsessed with their petty, surface-level issues and lacking in introspection.
>> No. 37893 [Edit]
>In school and now, other people have felt like empty husks who talking to is pointless. Students acting out like that is just more proof of them being alien to me and empty, obsessed with their petty, surface-level issues and lacking in introspection.

Are you completely sure you're superior to most people or do you voice those thoughts as a sort of self pep talk? I see people on imageboards saying similar things almost regularly and I never know what to think. I don't know if you guys are just lying to yourselves or you really know what you're talking about. I guess I'm just projecting my own doubts. I just feel like shit. No way out of it. I look around and people basically manage to put some order and comfort in the world, providing all sorts of things, from running water to anime and I don't know how to do anything. I suppose a lot of people like to talk about celebrities and other inconsequential things. But then I remember I laugh and cry over plots of fiction. I couldn't measure a difference of value between those things. All I do is to hide in here like a photophobic insect. It feels like such an absurd, herculean task to look down on people from this position, I just wonder if I'm more or less delusional than you. If I think about it, I can't make heads or tails of anyone. I guess I don't even know exactly what I'm asking you.
>> No. 37894 [Edit]
I'm not "superior" to most people. I am better than them in a few ways which I personally value. I also consider my disregard and apathy for certain things most other people care about as virtues.

Post edited on 9th Mar 2021, 11:04am
>> No. 37895 [Edit]
Personally I don't look down on people, since my self steem is so low I couldn't do that even if I wanted to. I just dislike people deeply. It's the same? I want to think it isn't.
Pure dislike, no need for moral justification or of any kind. The same way they dislike me, I dislike them, and that's all.
>> No. 37896 [Edit]
It seems you did not understood what I meant. First, I did not meant that school students are more aware, or better in any way that relates to consciousness. I am perfectly aware of the husks phenomenon you mentioned. Fighting in the adult world is nowhere near as common, and that doesn't necessarily imply a higher state of consciousness but is mentioned merely for the fact that it is primal. In classroom you see humans beating others for fun, you see lust in reality, how it works, etc. First-hand. Politics and gossip have nothing to do with what I am talking about. That post was not meant as a praising of school students, but rather as as statement that in that time of budding youth the youngster comes in contact with lots of people doing primal things, in a more primal environment. This also happens outside of school, but in school there are more characters for the dreams.
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I like to fantasize a lot about what would happen if some kind of spiritual being approached me, like a demon or the spirit of the canal near my house. What would they say to me, and what would they want from me? I think I woul