I guess that I do find people mentioning them as if this were 420chan a bit annoying.

If the thought of it offends you so much you can just avoid the threads, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. Downloading loli images is illegal in some places, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss that. People seek out ways to make their miserable lives more tolerable, and using drugs is one of the ways they might choose to achieve that. One of the themes of /so/ seems to be discussing methods of coping with the situation we find ourselves in, so it's not like it's out of context with the site. Though it'd be fine if it were all kept within one thread rather than being a general topic, like 2487 says.

Personally, I think drugs do indeed seem kind of... gross, and dirty, and the people that use them too, but I also think that about alcohol and tobacco.

But while I personally don't care for drugs, on think the laws on them are in most cases ridiculous.
I don't think there's any good reason why alcohol and tobacco should be legal, and not marijuana.
Though I'll give them the harder stuff like crack and acid, that stuff seems to be nothing but bad for everyone that goes near it, legality aside.

do I think it should be discussed on this site? I dunno, i think it really depends on what the majority feels is right, just as with most other things. and a lot of people seem to like using drugs to deal with their depression problems many here suffer from.

>>2486
Out.
>>2484
Personally, I feel that as long as the discussion doesn't devolve into '420 SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY XD', it's not a serious problem. I agree with Tohno that it doesn't feel right discussing them here even though I use them myself, and I'd rather people just kept it to themselves as there are plenty of places to discuss it on the internet. I have no problem if someone mentions using alcohol to help with their depression, but having dedicated threads just for talking about drugs doesn't seem very tohno-chan.
Either way I feel people here are mature enough for the most part that we can discuss any subject more or less intelligently, and if we can't, that's what the moderators are here for.

If you do something about them make sure you get rid of all the posts mentioning alcohol and cigarettes, too.

I think it should be permitted, at least within /so/.

The reason is, while yes drugs are bad, some people use them as a method of self medicating (which is precisely why I personally have a lot of drug problems). Thus, I don't see the negative aspects of having a few minor discussions on the subject - at least on issues such as quitting or safety inquiries.

Every discussion I've seen on the topic here is usually dealt with maturely. As above, so long as it doesn't degrade into some xX420sm0k3weEd69Xx BUMP WHEN HIGH type topic, I believe we're all capable enough of either participating or hiding the threads if they bother you. If posts end up actually breaking rules (such as sharing information on where or how to acquire drugs) then a moderator should delete it.

>There is an opinion I hold, which I am sure many people here support, that illicit drugs are bad

That is, indeed, just your opinion.

>Frankly I just find offensive

Offensive against who? Your morals or tastes? You are most welcome to simply ignore these threads since they are not even a majority of the part of Tohno. You cannot be sensitive enough as to be offended by some people discussing personal hobbies.

>I also think it sends out a bad message to users on this website most of which are already extremely vulnerable to dangerous thoughts and habits

Simply because most of the people in /so/ may have depression doesn't mean they are mentally weak, these are not synonyms nor are closely related at all, despite what most people may think. If they actually want to try drug habits, then they would do so with or without the comments present in Tohno-chan. Drugs is a subject that you can find in plethora of other kinds of media. You shouldn't underestimate other people's will to choose by themselves of what is bad or good for them. I presume that most of Tohno-chan is already old enough to make choices of their own and don't to be baby sitted as if we didn't had free will.

>So should drug discussion be allowed or not?

Yes, it should.

People can do what they want with their body. The discussions are fine at the moment as others have said. Personally I find them slightly interesting.

We don't need drug discussions here. It is 'normal stuff' that doesn't belong on this site.

>>2497
I agree, but not for the same reasons. I don't think drugs are "normal stuff". Yes, normal people use them and sometimes socially, but that doesn't mean that if you use them you're normal. Real basic logic here.

It is kind of weird when I see posts that are like "yeah today i did some heroin and passed out" but I can't say it bothers me too much

Drug discussion bothers me. I would really prefer it if people didn't talk about it on #t-c except for ones prescribed by doctors. It's not very otaku or NEET or anime-related, and it's annoying to hear people whine about how they mess up their lives after they choose to use them. How does someone with no friends get drugs anyway?

>>2502
It is possible to order them online. That said, I agree. The discussion of drugs simply does not belong here. If someone mentions it and it's on-topic, then that's fine, but a whole thread just for drugs is too much and does not fit the culture.

>>2504

Exactly what, then, defines the Tohno-chan culture?

>>2509
>Tohno-chan is an anime-themed image board for NEETs, hikikomori, otaku, and other social outcasts
I don't think it is difficult to make your own conclusions.

It doesn't bother me all that much really.

We aren't the most mentally stable bunch out there you know. It is just another form of escapism, and if we say escapism is bad, then this place should not exist.

Just remember that those that do take them have reasons behind it and should not be treated as social pariahs, especially here.

That said, drug use should not be encouraged.

It's all good.
It occasionally makes for interesting discussion, and it's just yet another thing to enjoy in life.

Taking drugs implies knowing a drug dealer which implies social connections amd leaving the house. It also implies giving into peer pressure and trying to be cool and down with the nornal fags and taking risks.

A true hiki would never take drugs. Drugs are for Ford Drivers.

One of the reasons why I hid away from the world was because all the normal people in real life were taking drugs, going to parties "hanging out", "having fun" etc. I didn't want any part in that. Drugs are the epitome of the Ford Driver.

Everything associated with drugs is pure Ford Driver:
- partying
- peer pressure
- 'having fun'
- social connections
- knowing drug dealers
- wanting to be cool
- "hanging out"
- taking risks
- watching MTV
etc

>>2564
>Taking drugs implies knowing a drug dealer
I don't advocate drugs, but people need to stop using this as a argument.
People can order drugs online anonymousy! how many times do people need to say this?
people here can be as close minded as a Ford Driver with this topic.

>>2564
you know, most of that stuff you listed off can easily be applied to drinking as well, but no one here seems to mind alcohol.



Everything associated with Drinking is pure Ford Driver:
- partying
- peer pressure
- 'having fun'
- social connections
- knowing bars
- wanting to be cool
- "hanging out"
- taking risks
etc

>>2566
I am not him but to me alcohol and tobacco are same thing as drugs. They are all for normals and shouldn't be discussed in TC (in my opinion).


Biggest reason for me being against drug discussion is law status. We shouldn't have discussions that could possibly encourage people to illegal acts. If there would be drug thread, people would end up asking where to buy drugs etc.

Also I've seen few nice communities get ruined by whole drug discussion and it usually ends up "420 SMOKE WEED EVERRYDAY XDD".

And last thing: I don't anyone of you to start using those semi-suicidal drugs. I really care about you guys. Nobody has so bad life that it couldn't be worse because of drug problems. Don't do drugs my friends, please.

>>2568
>We shouldn't have discussions that could possibly encourage people to illegal acts

bad news for /mp3/ /vg/ and /an/!!!

>>2568
What about limiting drug discussion to one thread on /so/ or something? I think that alcoholism is very strongly linked to depression, and I myself drink frequently. But still, I hate seeing people talking about it all over the place as much as you do. I consider my relationship to drugs and alcohol important though and I'm sure that others feel the same. If we were to limit it to just one thread I'm sure that both the anti-drug and pro-drug parties would be satisfied... moving drug discussion off the boards won't make people quit using them; if anything, discussions on board may convince people to quit. I don't see why drugs should be such a taboo topic, I mean one or two guys talking about abusing painkillers or whatever is nowhere as against what Tohno-chan's about (at least, in my mind) something like two guys talking about banging their girlfriends. Just my thoughts though, feel free to disregard. Reading about heroin really bothers me but then again that thread about the guy thinking of getting off his meds to see his waifu again (and people encouraging him to do so) bothers me too. If it's all kept to one thread that can be hidden instead of many posts spread out across the boards, it's also easier to avoid that kind of discussion if you wish to do so. There could also be a hidden board like /420/ or something like that so that it's completely quarantined and posts won't show up on the home page... I just think it's wrong to dismiss all talk of drugs and alcohol, there's definitely other options out there.

>>2569
I didn't know watching anime, listening music or playing games is illegal.

>>2564

>Taking drugs implies knowing a drug dealer which implies social connections amd leaving the house. It also implies giving into peer pressure and trying to be cool and down with the nornal fags and taking risks.

It doesn't imply any of those things. You can get drugs without leaving your house and to give in to peer pressure you have to have friends first.

>A true hiki would never take drugs. Drugs are for Ford Drivers.

I hope you will bestow your truNEET knowledge upon us lowly peasants master.

>Drugs are the epitome of the Ford Driver.

The joke is drugs are epitome of escapism.

>Everything associated with drugs is pure Ford Driver:
>-watching MTV

Okay, I laughed.

Also, that's what you associate with drugs based on your biased opinions.

>>2568

>We shouldn't have discussions that could possibly encourage people to illegal acts.

I can see some people on /vg/ buying their stuff but I bet pretty much every single person on /an/ doesn't get their anime fix legally.



The joke is I have never ever taken any drugs and I don't plan to. I certainly don't advocate taking them, either. But you are big enough boys to decide what to do with your lives. Drugs certainly won't improve your health but if you decide to take them even though you are aware of as much then I have no right to stop you from doing it.

If you don't like it, click the hide thread button. What is so hard about this, that we have to argue about every little thing that subjectively pisses someone off? There are a lot of things I hate seeing on /tc/ but I don't believe the rules should be altered to suit me.

Where is all this apparent drug talk, anyway? I've found one single thread about them made in the last month or two, and it's just some guy asking for advice on how he could quit them.

Are we just making a big deal of nothing again?

Post edited on 4th Jul 2012, 6:58am

>>2572
How anime and video game discussions encourage people to criminal acts? Yes it is possible to steal video games and anime, but there is also way to get them legally. Buying drugs, using drugs, making drugs, everything is illegal with only very very very few expections. As long /vg/ & /an/ discussions aren't how to get stuff illegally, it doesn't encourage people to criminal acts. Drug discussion instead could encourage people to get and use illegal drugs, because there is no alternative legal way.

>>2573
>If you don't like it, click the hide thread button. What is so hard about this, that we have to argue about every little thing that subjectively pisses someone off?
Yes let's allow all 3D porn and ford driver discussions because people can always hide them!

>>2573

>Are we just making a big deal of nothing again?

Business as usual on /tc/.

>>2574
>As long /vg/ & /an/ discussions aren't how to get stuff illegally, it doesn't encourage people to criminal acts. Drug discussion instead could encourage people to get and use illegal drugs, because there is no alternative legal way.

Well, assuming we're all truneethikihikiotakuwizards like some guy mentioned, none of us have jobs so none of us can legally acquire manga, anime, figs, video games and so on.

>Yes let's allow all 3D porn and ford driver discussions because people can always hide them!

Those subjects are against the rules, so that's a moot point. Drug talk, on the other hand, is virtually non-existent on /tc/. If you could do us a favor and point out some threads advocating the use or procurement of drugs, then you might have an argument. However, all I've dug up is one thread (that isn't 2+ years old) in /so/ asking for advice on quitting.

Basically...this >>2575.

>>2574
>Yes it is possible to steal video games and anime, but there is also way to get them legally.
People will usually make fun of, flame, and drive out anyone who pays for their anime.

>>2576
We don't have drug discussions on TC and I am arguing why we shouldn't have in future either.

>>2578

If it hasn't been a problem since the site started, why would it become one now?

>>2579
OP asked

>So should drug discussion be allowed or not?

And it shouldn't be allowed. Just because "it isn't problem", why would it be reason to allow it? Like other ford driver and /b/shit spam threads aren't problem (= we don't see them a lot) in TC either, but still I don't see reason why we should allow it.

I'd just like to mention that, since normals use the internet primarily for social networking, anybody who uses the internet for any reason is a normal and an attention whore.

>>2581

An image board is a method of socializing too.

I'd actually support drug discussion being against the rules if the majority thought it was too ford driverish. But is it really? Especially when what little discussion there is seems to be things like people drinking alone or experimenting with research chemicals and otc drugs in their bedrooms. And if anything, I've always thought of being against drugs as being the normal thing, as it's usually due to a moral impetus of health concerns.

Drugs are indeed pretty damn bad. I mean, they will definitely ruin your life in one way or another. It's not worth it to do them or to get involved with them. I used to be fucking repulsed by drugs. Of any shape or form. That was actually back before I was a NEET and had a set future full of hope. So yeah. Drugs to lead to bad roads when misused. Irresponsible use of drugs is extremely dangerous, but simply discussing drugs is not akin to telling somebody to kill themselves.

Personally, I love drug discussions on /tc/. It makes me feel something like camaraderie, to see that you guys are almost in the same boat as myself and one another.
Not everyone who touches drugs are ford drivers, and not everyone who is a ford driver does drugs - Most of the drugs I see discussed on /tc/ are pretty much disliked and/or ignored by ford drivers, in fact.

I can't lie and say that I don't care either way (as drugs are a rather large part of my life, I'm ashamed to say). I am, however, understanding to both sides, but would personally prefer things to stay as they were. I just feel that it's crucial to add that not everybody uses drugs to, y'know, "get fucked up" as they say.
As long as it sticks to intelligent, tolerant conversation, then it should be considered okay. I'd also like to say that people should at least post about the risks involved with drugs. It's so easy to go overboard and end up seriously hurt and/or having a horrible time. Information prevents that. Knowledge is power and such.

A hidden board might be going overboard, but a thread or two on /so/ every once in a while is sufficient for everyone's needs, no? People can simply ignore as they see fit, or post if they want to.

And I maintain the belief that there is an extremely thick line between idle drug discussion and rampant posting of 3DPD. One isn't going to magically lead to the other. Tohno-chan has proved itself to be much less tolerant to such negative changes time and time again.

I also apologize if I have ever offended anyone with my posts. I honestly had no idea. And I certainly didn't mean to. I'm obviously one of the guilty parties here, and I feel bad because of that. /tc/ shouldn't be a place where people are made uncomfortable or anything like that.

Marijuana is no worse for you than drinking or smoking.

>>2584

I agree with this post. Drugs are destructive, but it's up to us to educate ourselves if we choose to use them. Rarely do such discussions take place on this site, but when they do, they're usually done in an intelligent and academic manner; discussing its pros and cons. For this reason I think they should remain tolerated, so long as they're done within reason. That said, I think drug talk should only be permitted on the website. I don't think it has any proper place on the IRC, besides maybe drunken idiocy which often we're prone to.

>>2566
>Drinking alcohol implies knowing an alcohol dealer which implies social connections amd leaving the house.

Something is off here but I can't place exactly what

>>2585
And your point is..?

>>2580

I don't think you realize it yet but before partying, being loud, obnoxious, getting drunk and whatnot there's one trait that is even more important to being a Ford Driver. Why, I'd argue that it's by far the most important one. It's shoving your own morals and opinions down everybody's throats. That's exactly what you're doing.

Most of us found ourselves in 'somewhat unfortunate situations' to use an euphemism. Sure, more often than not it's our fault but that's irrelevant. Everybody has their own ways of coping with it. Some people use drugs. You seem to believe that everybody who does drugs is a club hitting obnoxious manwhore but that makes you look as stupid as normals who believe all people who want to remain anonymous on internet are pedophiles.

The argument that 'drugs are bad and they will ruin you' doesn't do much for me. Too bad for them but they are too damn late, my life was already ruined before I ever thought of taking them (and I haven't done it yet but I can't deny I'm somewhat interested).

Also, the argument that we should ban all the talk about drugs, smokes and alcohol because 'they are bad for your health' doesn't sound as convincing when you realize that social isolation is bad for your health, too. Not to mention not getting any sunlight or any excercise for that matter. Our lifestyle isn't healthy so why should we pretend it is?

I think at this point we can agree no one really cares and to exercise modesty when we do talk about such things.

>>2589
How I am forcing my own morals and opinions? It is those who want to discuss about drugs who are forcing their lifestyles here. TC is 2D/anime/otaku related imageboard and drugs aren't related to it at all. Here are people who don’t want to know anything about drugs, like we don't want to know about other ford stuff. It reminds us about filthy 3D world. We just don't want to know. It would be polite to respect our view.

Specially I don't like those hypocrite drug users who keep saying "yeah drugs are bad", but still they keep doing drugs and talking about them. After that they complain how 'ruined' their lifes are.

"Drugs are bad for you" wasn't really an argument. It was just I feel bad when I know that people who are important, like family, to me are on purpose hurting themselves. You make some weird assumptions that people here are living unhealthy. Maybe it is just misunderstanding by me, but I don't have unhealthy lifestyle, just because I enjoy loneliness and prefer 2D. Anyway we shouldn't have threads where we compare how bad/unhealthy our lifestyles are, right? That is just childish.

There are many other places where you can talk about drugs and other ford stuff with people who have interest in similar things. While there aren't many places where you can discuss about loving 2D and how we are watching Japanese cartoons all day.

>>2591
But it is related to the hikki/ronery lifestyle, it's a means by which people cope with their depression and other problems, same as drinking.

I think a lot you guys are just letting the media's propaganda fool you into thinking drugs are evil, but drinking and smoking is cool.
many of you don't seem to have much reasoning behind your claim of drugs are bad other than 'drugs are bad becuase they're bad'
Yes many do carry heath problems, but many don't, and the legality of it should be a moot point. many laws don't reflect the interests or well being of the people, or are just meaningless. I'm sure many of you don't care if loli is illegal in your country.

I think you should all go watch some anime and take it easy.

I just hate pot and people who smoke it. Other things are party shit, like anything you snort or inject, and you can only be stupid enough to do those things after being pressured into it by some meatneck ford driver. Pill stuff is severely retarded, like "X" is completely insane. PCP, I have no idea why anyone would ever think that is a good idea.

I have no idea why meth exists. Trailer park my aunt used to live in, her neighbours had a meth lab. The trailer burned down and a HAZMAT team had to come in and they took half of her things because they were all potentially contaminated with all kinds of shit. She never heard anything again, and a lot of the stuff was really pricy antiques, like a Governor Winthrop.

I am horrible to say this, but things like acid and DXM are fine in my book, specifically for use by TCers, moreso DXM. These things can sort of act as portals to see your waifu so I condone them. Also DXM is not chemically addictive, and you don't have to go through seedy as shit dealers or give money to shitty people to get it. I hate giving my money to shitty people.

Just post it I guess, I'll ignore what I don't like. It's easy enough to just ignore it.

Post edited on 6th Jul 2012, 5:44pm

>>2594
What about alcohol and such?

>>2594
>Other things are party shit, like anything you snort or inject, and you can only be stupid enough to do those things after being pressured into it by some meatneck ford driver.
Stop saying shit like this, it's dumb. I could say the same for alcohol and tobacco and yet they're fine to post about.

>>2596
I agree

>>2596
You don't need social connections for alcohol and tobacco, dingus. That's why they're fine.

>>2598
You don't need social connections for drugs either moron, how many damn times do we need to say it in this thread?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29

I'm just gonna leave this here in case any more ignorant retards want to use the 'social connections' line.

>>2600
Not even on Tohno-chan is anyone retarded enough to consume (let alone purchase) random drugs from the deep web.

People in the irc channel won't shut up about drinking.

>>2592
How it is related? There is no correlation between doing drugs and hikikomori lifestyle.

>I think a lot you guys are just letting the media's propaganda fool you into thinking drugs are evil, but drinking and smoking is cool.
There is no such propaganda and none here ever said "drinking and smoking is cool".

We are not in position to say if laws are "right" or not. It is alright to critize them but we should still follow laws. If we want to maintain this website we shouldn't encourage people to illegal acts, in my opinion.

>>2601
I hope so but seems many here have adapted this ford driver view towards drugs...

>>2591

>How I am forcing my own morals and opinions?

I wanted to start explaining it but...

>Here are people who don’t want to know anything about drugs, like we don't want to know about other ford stuff.

... you do a great job of showcasing it just two sentences later. Who are you to tell everybody what /tc/ is about? From what I see in this thead so far most people are either in favor of allowing such discussion or they are indifferent about it but wouldn't mind it as long as it's kept to one thread. Hiding a single thread should be easy enough, I honestly don't know what the heck your problem even is. So far it looks like a classical 'I don't like it and neither should you' case.

>You make some weird assumptions that people here are living unhealthy.

Is this projection? Because you sure like to make lots of assumptions about people who use drugs. I just stated the facts - staying confined in your room all day long isn't healthy for you. In fact, nothing related to NEET/hikki lifestyle is.


There are lots of Ford Driver activies out there. They obviously don't have any place on /tc/. However, doing drugs is not one of them, despite what you believe and what you'd like everyone else to believe.

>>2603

>There is no correlation between doing drugs and hikikomori lifestyle.

The correlation is about as strong as one between doing drugs and Ford Driver lifestyle.

>I hope so but seems many here have adapted this ford driver view towards drugs...

The more I read your posts the more it looks like you're acting like a Ford Driver here (if you're the >>2591 of course; if not, it doesn't really change my opinion, I hate people who force their own opinions down somebody's throat and decide for them what's right and what's wrong).

>>2604
Still how I am forcing my opinion here? It's just general rule we don't want to see ford driver stuff here. Why drugs should be exception?

>Who are you to tell everybody what /tc/ is about?
Are you saying my opinion is less meaningful than other opinions just because I disagree with you? This thread is about opinions, should this topic be discussed.

Like I stated above, normal stuff isn't wanted here. Should we have one thread for sex, starting a family, partying, facebook, MTV, reddit so we can have discussions about everything and people who don't like can just ignore them, right?

>So far it looks like a classical 'I don't like it and neither should you' case.
Now that's not the point. Here has been made many valid arguments why we shouldn't have drug discussions here. Site philosophy, law status, bad message for people who are vulnerable to dangerous things, encouraging people to ruin their life (even more?) and some people just feel bad if you know someone important to you hurts himself on purpose.

>The correlation is about as strong as one between doing drugs and Ford Driver lifestyle.
Typical drug user is employed, not unemployed and poor. Typical drug user is social, regular clubber and pubber, not loner who sits on computer. You need lot money to buy drugs, which neets here shouldn't have. And having social contacts isn't bad either. (yes you can buy them from internet. still most get idea or first try from friend.)

There is actually no correlation at all being otaku/hikki/neet and using drugs, when you think about it.

Anyway I am not going to argue anymore. I hope this thread has delighted that here are people who don't want to see anything drug related to ruin this site. There are many other places where you can talk about stuff like that.

Post edited on 7th Jul 2012, 8:51am

I don't dislike drug discussion anywhere near the extent I dislike drug discussion discussion.

>>2605
>Typical drug user is social, regular clubber and pubber, not loner who sits on computer.
Actually the only drug users I've met were, although with a normal mentality, unemployed and stayed at home most of the time. You don't need a job to buy drugs unless you have a pretty big habit. You realize most people here don't have jobs, yet still buy figs, right?
Also you only need to know one person to be able to get drugs. There's no need to go out to parties or anything, just having a brother who knows people, for example, is enough.

All in all, this thread is a bunch of misinformed or ignorant people trying to convince others of their own opinion. Just keep it to one thread and civilized, and I think we should be fine.

>>2606
We need to make a new thread to decide whether discussion of the appropriateness of drug discussion is appropriate.

I'd rather not see it here.

>>2605

>Why drugs should be exception?

Because they aren't 'Ford Driver stuff', is it really that hard to comprehend?

>Are you saying my opinion is less meaningful than other opinions just because I disagree with you?

No, I'm saying you're the only one who pulls out your 'that's not what /tc/ is about' card. Everybody else states their opinion but you try to use your authority as representative user of /tc/.

>Should we have one thread for sex, starting a family, partying, facebook, MTV, reddit so we can have discussions about everything and people who don't like can just ignore them, right?

Saying stuff like that makes you look stupid in all honesty so please, don't do it anymore.

>Here has been made many valid arguments why we shouldn't have drug discussions here.

As well as some valid arguments why they should be okay if they are kept to one thread, you are just doing your very best to ignore those.

>Typical drug user is employed, not unemployed and poor. Typical drug user is social, regular clubber and pubber, not loner who sits on computer.

That's very interesting, I did not know that. May I have the source of that research? That would help a lot.

Also using stuff like 'typical' doesn't help your case much. 'Typical' anime watcher is probably a loud, obnoxious con going Toyota driver. If you look at how popular SJC series are compared to SoL stuff you should be able to understand as much.

>There is actually no correlation at all being otaku/hikki/neet and using drugs, when you think about it.

There is, when you think about it. The number of people who pointed it out ITT must be approaching a dozen already.

>There are many other places where you can talk about stuff like that.

Another argument that holds no weight. You can talk about anime and games elsewhere, too. Why do you preffer to do it on /tc/?



I'm out, too, discussing this any further is pointless.

And if you find it offensive then so be it but Tohno, I blame you for letting this thread go so far. In the end it's your decision either way but if this keeps up it'll turn into our standard 'I don't want to voice my opinion and the thread got really shitty so how about I just delete it' scenario. You are the goddamn root adm. There are times when you simply have to speak up even if you hate it.

It's kind of sad how this thread is getting more attention than the rest of the site.

I believe it should be allowed, but not made a big deal of.

Like this thread.

>>2612
>>2613

yeah

While we're discussing this, I'd like to suggest that discussing medication and treatment for mental illnesses should be banned too. It's disgusting and it's wrong because I think it's disgustingly wrong and so should you if you're any kind of a decent person.

To get prescription medication you have to see a doctor or a psychiatrist, which means going out and having social contact. Sure, good for you that you're a typical prescription medication user and a social butterfly, able to go out partying with all those professional health workers, having long conversations with them and meeting them regularly like some kind of girlfriend so that you can discuss Jersey Shore on Reddit while posting from your iPhone in your fancy car or whatever the fuck I assume you people must do in those meetings, but that's not what this site is about so kindly keep it the fuck to yourself, you judgmental assholes.

Also, I have a suspicion that there's a very high correlation between people taking mental illness medication and mental illnesses, so it's clearly unhealthy! Every single person I know who started taking medication for that kind of problem is some kind of crazy weirdo! I don't see why nobody else seems to realise this! By taking a prescribed medication you're ruining your life!

Mental illnesses and their treatment have nothing to do with the NEET/hiki lifestyle. We are about spending all day by ourself, being incapable of social contact, depressed and suicidal, wrapping ourselves up in our escapism in order to forget our miserable reality. That has nothing to do with any of your mental health bullshit, so we don't want to hear about it and don't want to see it discussed by anyone. By talking about these things you're greatly offending the TRUE users of this site who know that it's just a horrible habit for horrible people and I hate you.

---

To be honest I don't care whether drugs are discussed or not, I just think the reasons people have outlined for being against it are somewhat distorted and could be applied equally to other things for silly effect, which is what this post was about. Sorry for shitting up the thread even more.

This crap is hypocritical and will remain so until people in our IRC channel shut up about drinking.
I don't want to see some ass-hat remind us daily how awesome gin is, or tell me I should try drinking, or make fun of me for not doing it. That's completely fucking Ford Driver shit.

>>2617
I've never seen that happen at all in the IRC

>>2618
I never see you jerk off to loli on your computer in the dead of night, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

What about drug politics?

>>2616
lol

tohno make a decision. if you decide to ban it, rule with an iron fist for a few weeks.

>>2495
I'm with this guy on this. Most of the arguments against this so far have been bullshit opinions and stuff you can easily disprove.

Also, these two.
>>2612
>>2613

People should relax and ignore things that bother them, so long as they don't go against the idea of the site as a whole, which this doesn't.

>>2621
tohno will never make a decision on this, many people here will just hate drugs and anything to do with them including discussion forever.

Lately I've been losing my interest to post because all kind normal content is being forced here. There was someone defending that you should be allowed to tell you are female, and now people are defending that drug discussion should be allowed. I hope in future we can keep Tohno-chan discussions very limited and only related to "tohno culture".

>>2622
Some of us regular users on this site don't like drug discussion. Is that a non-bullshit enough argument for you?

>>2625

It's still a bullshit argument, though. 'Some' doesn't mean jack's shit. If you said 'the majority' that'd be pretty damn sound, though. Thing is you can't because you have no idea what the exact numbers look like and neither does anybody else.

>>2626
You should check rules of sites. EVERYTHING what is forbidden, is forbidden because somebody just doesn't like it.

>>2627

>You should check rules of sites. EVERYTHING what is forbidden, is forbidden because somebody just doesn't like it.

In 9/10 caes it means the MAJORITY doesn't like it, not just somebody (unless that somebody is the admin of the site and just felt like banning it).

>>2628
Stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

>>2629

The '9/10' thing wasn't meant to be taken literally, I thought that much would be obvious.

>>2634
Then don't talk about "majority" if it is just groundless gut feeling. Just because you feel majority doesn't like something, your argument worth of nothing. I thought that much would be obvious.

>>2636

And with this we're right back at >>2626.

>Thing is you can't because you have no idea what the exact numbers look like and neither does anybody else.

I'm guessing and you're guessing. My point is banning discussions regarding something should only happen if the majority doesn't like it.

>>2639
Actually >>2625 didn't say anything about majority which was my entire point. You are making your own rules if you think forbidding something requires that majority doesn't like it.

This thread PROVES that there are people, who don't want to see drug discussion here. That means >>2625 is making solid argument.

Post edited on 14th Jul 2012, 8:58am

>>2641

Hey, if you only need a vocal minority then let's just go ahead and ban everything.

Me, I don't like SHAFT. Neither does Tohno. I don't think their 'pretentious grimdark shit for trash emo faggot hipester paedophiles' and I think it doesn't belong on Tohno-chan.

>>2642
Nice straw man. Try again.

this is actually still going? if it's so annoying, hide the threads and go lurk in the other irc chan, no ones gonna enforce anything

>>2642
Are you poking fun at me?

>>2644
But I don't like MOBAs.

>>2643

>Nice straw man.

It's funny because both >>2625 and >>2642 are using the exact same argument.

>>2648
Yes and nobody said he used different argument. Straw man was when I said majority isn't required and he changed it to "then minority is required". While entire point was it doesn't matter. Because it has never been proven that currently forbidden things are forbidden because majority doesn't like them. He just made that "rule" by himself. If you think majority is required, you should make argument why majority should be required.

If you are saying >>2625 made "bullshit argument" you need to provide why it is bullshit argument. Not just make your own rules. As said in Tohno-chan "somebody doesn't like it" is valid argument because everything what is forbidden is forbidden because somebody just doesn't like it.

>>2627
Well, looking at the rules, I would hope the majority of people here are against the stuff in the rules, because that is partly why I've stuck around this whole time.

Really though, I don't care about this whole drug thing. As previously stated, if it doesn't go against the site as a whole(Which stuff like 3D shit, gaia shit, /b/ shit does), people should just take it in stride and learn to ignore it. If you can't ignore something so simple... well, you should probably work on that, friend, or continue trying to sway Tohno.

Either way, just try and enjoy your time here the best you can, alright?

It's actually kind of hard to find out what the majority wants or not, since lurkers outnumbers posters.
if there was some way of knowing it for sure, it would make decisions about the site a whole heck of a lot more easy.
but since there isn't, one just has to go with what they think the majority wants... and threads like this can give a decent idea of that in the long run I think.

>>2653

You can always start some poll or something. I trust nobody is immature enough to try to rig it.

>>2654
yeah that's not a bad idea, I should look into trying to set up something like that.

No. Fuck polls. Let the best argument win or decide this on your own, tohno.

A poll is a bad idea since you could just spam it through proxies. The best solution is through discourse and debate, which this thread is sufficing quite well.

From what I judge, it's split between those who don't care and those who do care. Nonetheless, since drug is so rare on this site, I don't think it warrants a new rule. Rather, if and when it's brought up, it should be kept within the context of modesty, maturity and first and foremost, relevance.

For example:

(a): hey everyone i got real drunk and pissed myself! - Such discussion is irrelevant to this site, even in "off topic" boards like /ot/.

(b): Hi, I'd like to discuss the effects certain psychoactive drugs have on ones depression and anxiety levels. - Put forth that way, it can give rise to a proper discussion that many can relate to.

We need better arguments against drug discussion (on the contrary, the ones in acceptance of it are rather sound). So far, the only points made have been "well I subjectively perceive them as being something Ford Drivers do" - which is a very juvenile and empty point.

.)

>>2657
>"well I subjectively perceive them as being something Ford Drivers do"
The same exact thing can be said for alcohol, yet many here who use that argument still drink.

Yeah okay, screw it, I'll allow drug discussion.

>>2660

I hope this turns out okay.

>>2660
And what about drug political discussion (should drugs be legal etc.)?

>>2662
Don't push it.

>>2661
To be honest, I don't really get why people are bothered so much by political discussion.
I understand that it's something that doesn't really effect us directly as it's part of the real world, and that it's it's kinda pointless since nothing will ever change, but I don't really get why someone would be offended or upset by it.

Post edited on 21st Jul 2012, 1:32pm

political discussion leads to arguing (about 3D things no less) and arguing leads to shit threads

>>2665
yeah I guess that's true.

>>2665
after all, they say the best way to remain friendly with people is to never discuss 3 things: religion, politics, or money. aside from money I think that's a pretty good guide for internet interaction as well, unless you are on a site specifically for those things

I wonder if the people who say it's not true that the consumption of alcohol is encouraged, are seriously or not.

>>2676

This image has me convinced.

Drugs are for rockstars. All normal fags desperately want to be rockstars.

The drug users are trying to peer pressure us into taking drugs, just like the normal fags did at school.

The media is constantly trying to convince us to take drugs eg "Drug Experiment Live: Presented by Jon Snow".

The escapism argument is invalid. We use digital virtual worlds for escapism, not drugs.

Deep down, the drug user desperatley wants to be cool. Admit it!

Taking drugs involves TAKING RISKS. and being open minded to new experiences. This is like the complete opposite of the risk averse person averse to new experiences, averse to leaving the house.

The phrase "Sex, drugs, rock and roll" should be sufficient enough to put drugs into the Ford Driver category.

Drugs come with prison risk. Prison is full of people. Prison = social contact. Therefore drugs come with risk of social contact. Doesn't matter if it's a 0.01% risk of prison, that risk is still too high for a hiki.

Drug use is linked to peer pressure.

I'm sick of drug users trying to peer pressure me into their lifestyle. It's like being back at school.

>>2844
> The drug users are trying to peer pressure us into taking drugs, just like the normal fags did at school.
I talk about doing drugs here sometimes in the way some people talk about cutting themselves or trying to kill themselves. This doesn't mean I want you to use drugs or that those people want you to kill themselves. If I said to you on the IRC, "take drugs or everyone will hate you" or something, I could see how that'd be "peer pressure," but just because I share some things that happen in my life doesn't mean that I want you to copy me.

> The media is constantly trying to convince us to take drugs eg "Drug Experiment Live: Presented by Jon Snow".
Some people are shown using drugs in a positive light in the media (haha dude i smoked SO MUCH WEED xD), but the harmful effects of drugs are shown much much more often, in dramas, news, and commercials, with all of the anti-drug legislation and all that going on. The media may depict people using drugs, but in general, I would argue that it does not promote drug use.

> The escapism argument is invalid. We use digital virtual worlds for escapism, not drugs.
Drugs help a person escape his environment even further by altering sensory perception. And he can even play video games while on them.

> Deep down, the drug user desperatley wants to be cool. Admit it!
No, I'm a loser and I know it. That's part of why I use drugs.

> Taking drugs involves TAKING RISKS. and being open minded to new experiences. This is like the complete opposite of the risk averse person averse to new experiences, averse to leaving the house.
I think this really depends on the type of drug. If I drink coffee or smoke a cigarette, I'm not exactly putting my life on the line. Same goes for smoking marijuana or taking a few little pills I buy from someone online. Some drugs have more of a risk factor involved with taking them (like heroin, crack cocaine, or methamphetamine) and some really do make you experience new things (I'd say psychedelic mushrooms or other hallucinogens would do that a bit), but one reason why drugs are so powerful is because they let you experience alterations of your reality within your own home. But just because something has some risk involved or is exciting doesn't mean a a NEET can't do it! You shouldn't force your severe severe anxiety on everyone else as the "proper" image of a NEET.

> The phrase "Sex, drugs, rock and roll" should be sufficient enough to put drugs into the Ford Driver category.
alright, let's get rid of the music and lewd boards too, pal

> Drugs come with prison risk. Prison is full of people. Prison = social contact. Therefore drugs come with risk of social contact. Doesn't matter if it's a 0.01% risk of prison, that risk is still too high for a hiki.
Buying and selling large amounts of certain drugs comes with a moderately high prison risk. Buying a little baggy of cannabis to relax or a bump of speed from someone trustworthy? Make that a 0% risk. And you know, pirating music or games comes with a small risk of legal repercussions... that doesn't mean people here won't do it.

> Drug use is linked to peer pressure.
In high school or middle school, if you had shitty friends, definitely. But here on Tohno-chan, no one's telling you to use drugs to fit in.

> I'm sick of drug users trying to peer pressure me into their lifestyle. It's like being back at school.
I'm a drug user and let me give you my thoughts: There's nothing wrong with trying out a drug once or twice, if you're interested, just to see how it affects you. If anything, it'll make you appreciate being sober more. And if one helps you with your anxiety or depression or can help you feel better about being you, what's wrong with using it every now and then? But don't worry, you don't have to use drugs to be my friend, I promise.

>>2845

Discussions about suicide were banned in the board before, because it might have encouraged people to actually do it.

>>2844
>I'm sick of drug users trying to peer pressure me into their lifestyle. It's like being back at school.
I feel the same way about drinking, which peers and the media are much more blatant with their pressure. including japanese media.

>All normal fags desperately want to be rockstars.
hehe, so true, from all the garage bands to the well selling guitar training video games. it's like every teenager in north America owns a guitar.

>>2847
>let's get shitfaced!!

>>2845
Just go away or stop forcing your normality here. If you are using drugs, you just idolize normals who do it too. Yes you might be loser, I don't care, but you are also loser in eyes of true /tc/ers.

If you people had even a little be responsibility, you wouldn't talk drugs, specially in here, in community which you love. Anything which is harmful, illegal, immoral and normalshit shouldn't be discussed here. Yes you whatever you want with your body, but keep it away from here. We just don't care, we don't want to know. Whole point of tc in my opinion is to be place where we can be free of this forced normal bullcrap.

>>2844

Some people who watch anime are Ford Drivers, therefore anime is for Ford Drivers and you are a Ford Driver if you watch anime. My argument is infallible.

>>2852
Do people die when they are killed?

How I feel when I see this thread and anyone replying to it.

>>2855
me too

>>2852
God can you stop pretending to be retard? Yes, some normals watch anime, but that doesn't make it normalshit. Just like drugs aren't normalshit just because some normals use drugs.

Ford Driver is person who idolizes everything normal. No, normals don't idolize anime. Normals idolize rockstars, motorbiker gangster, MTV, big brother, clubbing and other things which are related to drugs, drinking and acting like retard without using your own brains because it is "fun", "cool" and "extreme". Therefore using drugs is for normals and people who idolize normality.

Anime is big part of otaku culture, even tho there are some normals who watch it too. Therefore comparing drugs and anime is totally retarded and I seriously hope you aren't being serious or can't you make real argumentts instead stupid straw man fallacies?

Also otakus don't do drugs. If you do, you aren't real otaku:
>Since we covered sex and rock 'n' roll you might also want to know about drugs. Answer: none. Otaku are anti-somatic. Information is their only drug, but that they preferably take intravenously.
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/otaku-e.htm

>>2844

>The drug users are trying to peer pressure us into taking drugs, just like the normal fags did at school.

This is like saying 'oh, it looks like show [x] is discussed a lot of /an/, they are trying to peer pressure me into watching it!'.

>The escapism argument is invalid. I use digital virtual worlds for escapism, not drugs and any person who does not do as I do is a Ford Driver and therefore doesn't belong here

Shoving your opinions down somebody's throat like that is the epitome of being a Ford Driver.

>>2851

>true /tc/ers.

A true /tc/er appeared!

You DO have a Gold Account, right?

>If you people had even a little be responsibility, you wouldn't talk drugs, specially in here, in community which you love.

If we had even a little sense of responsibility we certainly wouldn't be floorshitting NEETs, either.

The only post which actually matters ITT is >>2660.

>>2849

Great, now every time I will see you post I will have that image in my mind.

Why not quarantine drug chats to this thread ---> http://tohno-chan.com/txt/res/66.html ? That way, people on the more active boards don't have to see it.

>>2851
> Just go away or stop forcing your normality here.
Your decision to present to me -- "go away" OR "stop forcing normality" -- makes the false assumption that I'm forcing anything at all. This is a discussion on whether or not discussion of drugs and their usage should be tolerated on tohno-chan, and I'm merely defending my perspective.

> If you are using drugs, you just idolize normals who do it too.
Let's look at your logic again -- it seems to me that you are implying that IF "someone uses drugs" THEN "they idolize normals". But I'm not sure I understand your reasoning here; are you saying that I, for example, use drugs because I want to be like a rockstar or something? Your argument seems to be more of a generalization rather than one addressing me specifically, so I won't bother with denying your claim. But let me raise some generalized counterpoints in response: if someone drinks tea, is it because he's emulating the Queen of England? If someone takes Adderall because he has ADHD, is it because he wants to be like those cool meth heads you'll see crawling all over the streets in shitty towns? (Amphetamines are very similar to methamphetamine, as you may or may not be aware; and the Queen is often depicted drinking tea in various forms of media.)

> Anything which is harmful, illegal, immoral and normalshit shouldn't be discussed here.
Drugs are only harmful in excess. Only certain kinds of drugs are illegal, and the politics leading to their legislation and regulation are complex and a topic of heated debate. What is it that makes a drug immoral? In pre-Christian societies, drug use was necessary for the shaman's establishment as leader, giving form and birth to our morals today; I recommend Joseph Campbell's "Primitive Mythology" as an excellent introduction to the topic of shamanism. And seeing as plenty of people on Tohno-chan use drugs, including a site administrator, the claim that "drugs are normalshit" is dubious at best.

> Yes you whatever you want with your body, but keep it away from here. We just don't care, we don't want to know. Whole point of tc in my opinion is to be place where we can be free of this forced normal bullcrap.
Hey man, I make an effort to spoiler drug use in the daily activities thread when I discuss it as I recognize the adverse reactions some users have to the discussion of drugs. But that doesn't mean that I think that it should be a rule that any topic that irritates one or two people here should be censored, because I also see Tohno-Chan as being a place for freedom.

Just because I disagree with your arguments doesn't mean that I dislike you, by the way. I'm not judging you, but I do think that your reasoning could be improved on, just a bit.

>>2863
I don't like drug discussion on Tohno-chan, whether its 'normal' or not, I simply find it nasty and I'd rather not see it. There are other sites where you can discuss it and they're better equipped to do so. On this site its a controversial topic, and it also sends out a poor message to other brohnos, many of which are very vulnerable. I know, free will blahblahblah but I think its better to be ignorant in certain things.

>>2861
>If we had even a little sense of responsibility we certainly wouldn't be floorshitting NEETs, either.
Explain. How being neet makes someone irresponsible? Also you seem to miss my point. My point was, talking about drugs(speically in positive light) will make more people interested in them and because drugs are dangerous, because of your drug talk someone might be in dangerous situtation.

>>2863
>makes the false assumption that I'm forcing anything at all
You were talking about your drug experiences -> forcing it.

>if someone drinks tea, is it because he's emulating the Queen of England?
Idolizing normality doesn't mean idolizing one person. People who use drugs use them because it looks fun when normals do it. So they want to have similar fun. Therefore they are idolizing normality.

>What is it that makes a drug immoral?
In society which works together, doing harmful things for yourself should be considered as immoral, because it will increase burden of others who need to take care of the one who does harmful things.

>In pre-Christian societies, drug use was necessary for the shaman's establishment as leader, giving form and birth to our morals today;
Such immoral cultures have died. It's called culture evolution.

>And seeing as plenty of people on Tohno-chan use drugs
My experiences disagree. Only very minority of tc users do drugs.

>because I also see Tohno-Chan as being a place for freedom.
I love tc because this place isn't place for freedom. If it would be, we would have stupid trolling 4chanmemes and clubbers and other normal things everywhere. Strict rules make this place good.

>>2865

>How being neet makes someone irresponsible?

I think a good chunk of us NEETs ended up where we are because we are lazy an irresponsible (among others), I don't really know how one should go about trying to explain this.

>because of your drug talk

Just for the record, I have never even been anywhere near drugs and I certainly have absolutely no plans to take an in the future. It's just that I'm not a 'I don't like it = it doesn't belong here' type of person, either.

>Strict rules make this place good.

Didn't expect to see you say something like that since the rules say drug discussion is allowed as long as it's kept to one thread, it's just that you seem to have an exceptionally hard time abiding by the rules.

>>2865
> People who use drugs use them because it looks fun when normals do it. So they want to have similar fun. Therefore they are idolizing normality.


I don't even use drugs but it makes me cringe reading this. Please stop talking out of your ass.

>>2865
>Such immoral cultures have died. It's called culture evolution.
Are you claiming that our current culture is moral and good? You seem to be idolizing normality, if we are to argue in your fashion.

>>2867
>I think a good chunk of us NEETs ended up where we are because we are lazy an irresponsible (among others), I don't really know how one should go about trying to explain this.
Yes that's what you THINK.

>Didn't expect to see you say something like that since the rules say drug discussion is allowed as long as it's kept to one thread, it's just that you seem to have an exceptionally hard time abiding by the rules.
We've already had multiple threads that mentions drugs here. Also where rules say so?

And I didn't mean you were using drugs. Just hypothetical situation: if you talk about drugs, more people will have interest in them, which could lead more trouble.

>>2870

>Yes that's what you THINK.

Well it's certainly true for me and other NEETs I talked with through IRC and whatnot. And really, if you look through some /so/ threads like that 'are you a piece of shit, too?' one we had not so long ago I think saying that it's not just me and those 5-6 guys I talked with isn't too far fetched.

Actually I'm inclined to say that it's another case of 'well it's not true for me so it shouldn't be true for anyone else around here' on your side.

And really, what kind of NEET is responsible? I have a hard time imagining such a person. Many of us are so deep down the path of procrastination that we have trouble forcing ourselves to watch anime and play games and you expect us to be resonsible?

>Also where rules say so?

>>2660 This should be more than enough, really. Just because the rules weren't updated doesn't mean Tohno didn't say what he thinks about the whole deal.

>>2660