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23029 No. 23029 [Edit]
Why are you a hikikomori /tc/?.
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>> No. 23030 [Edit]
I did the hikikomori thing for a few years after finding myself in an argument with a sorry excuse for a woman at work. It screwed me up psychology and made me not want to leave my room. I only ever did so for food supplies after dark and to do #2, did #1 with bottles. I guess I also kind of lost sight of the point to living, working, and all that stuff. After all, I had everything I needed and was content with that. That and there wasn't much out there for me. I've not had good experiences with friends and never had a 3dpd. I dropped out of school and saw no future. Pretty much all of that still applies to this day, but being Hikki mode was really fucking with my head and I realized I had to get out of that.
>> No. 23031 [Edit]
>>23030

10 years almost 11 hikki here coming from personal experience spending time alone with yourself almost 24/7 can get depressing at times there are days i literally cry myself to sleep you are lucky that you got out of the lifestyle anon.
>> No. 23034 [Edit]
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23034
I'm nearly a hikki now but I try not to be.
I'm in school, I try to socialize even though it doesn't work out often, I try to hold down a job even though my most recent two jobs (which were my first) didn't end well, and I try to go outside.
I had plenty of time to be a hikki when I was in middle and high school and I was just that. Didn't go outside because I had nothing to do, nobody invited me, the few friends I had when I had them didn't invite me to anything (I almost wondered if maybe they didn't have anything to invite anyone to). And I had so much hate for myself in those days.
That time was fun in it's own way but I regret it and I wanted something better back then. Today I try to climb out when I can.
>> No. 23035 [Edit]
>>23034
>I had plenty of time to be a hikki when I was in middle and high school and I was just that
You can't be a hikikomori, if you go out regularly. Staying at home during your free time doesn't count.

I have to go to university almost every day, never talk to anyone unless I really have to (e.g. for class), have no friends and I'm in my small apartment (I live alone) every free second. But that does not make me a hikikomori. The fact that I go outside a lot and have to see people and hear them talking excludes me from being a hikikomori.

Even if you have no courses in summer and stay inside the whole time not socializing with people at all, you are not a hikikomori during that time. It bothers me every time I read people claiming they are only because of that.

As I live now, the hikikomori lifestyle really seems desirable for me since I only feel relaxed/comfortable when I'm alone and I only enjoy that time because I know nobody will disturb me. But looking at all those posts of people who are hikikomori, it seems like the isolation gets to pretty much everyone. Those 2-3 months of isolation you can have are nothing compared to the time hikikomori spend alone.
So I think people really need to stop throwing around that term. It's inconsiderate.

Post edited on 26th Oct 2017, 5:02pm
>> No. 23037 [Edit]
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>>23035
>You can't be a hikikomori, if you go out regularly. Staying at home during your free time doesn't count.

Exactly hikikomori means to withdraw from society all together and staying at home almost 24/7.
>> No. 23039 [Edit]
>>23035
>Staying at home during your free time doesn't count.
Not him, but I skipped school just to stay in my room. Even went a couple months straight at one point being locked up in my room. Only started going back because of legal obligations.
>> No. 23040 [Edit]
>>23039
I didn't claim that you could not be a hikikomori in the time of your life you're supposed to go to school but it seems somewhat unlikely exactly because of the obligations you have. Most pupils live with their parents and they/the state force them to go like you mentioned. (But supposedly a lot of hikis start out in that time)

>Even went a couple months straight at one point being locked up in my room.
If the couple months were at least six you were a hikikomori per definition. Less and you were not.
Putting it down to a number like that is somewhat strange but it makes sense as a reference point. Like I said one or two months (and probably not even six but where would you start) don't really provide the experience hikikomoris have with their years of social isolation (also living with one's parents does hinder the social isolation, I'd differentiate between hikikomoris living alone and those living with their parent(s), the latter sounds a lot worse since you're confronted with you failing social obligations on a daily basis). Above all if one is embedded in a system like school or university and one knows he is obliged to go back to at some point.

Post edited on 27th Oct 2017, 2:54am
>> No. 23041 [Edit]
>>23040
>If the couple months were at least six you were a hikikomori per definition.


Exactly though in South Korea it's 3 months so if you lived there you would be considred a hikikomori over there it's different in other places but correct by the original definition it's 6 months or more.
>> No. 23056 [Edit]
>>23034
>I'm in school, I try to socialize
You're definitely, absolutely, not a hiki. Not 50% hiki, not 25% hiki. 0% hiki. You cannot be in school or have a (non-home) job and be a hikikomori. You can't just take up a defined term and warp it to your convenience so you can pretend you belong. Stop it immediately.
>>23035
>It bothers me every time I read people claiming they are only because of that.
Me too. Same when people who say they're a NEET but are not. Or even worse, people who say qualify as a hiki or a NEET only because they allegedly align with the "ideology".
>the hikikomori lifestyle really seems desirable
>it seems like the isolation gets to pretty much everyone
I'd say it's just that people to whom isolation hurts end up being the most vocal about it. I've absolutely loved being a hiki when I was one and forever envious of people who have parents who have no issue maintaining them as long as they can. UBI cannot come soon enough.
>people really need to stop throwing around that term. It's inconsiderate.
Massive understatement. Specially when people like the quoted above do it (on purpose, or unknowingly) as some sort of "credential" to fit in.
>>23037
It's a defined term with defined criteria:
>1. Spending most of the day and nearly every day confined to home.
>2. Marked and persistent avoidance of social situations.
>3. Social withdrawal symptoms causing significant functional impairment.
>4. Duration of at least six months.
>5. No apparent physical etiology to account for the social withdrawal symptoms.
>>23039
So?
>> No. 23062 [Edit]
>>23056
>No apparent physical etiology to account for the social withdrawal symptoms.

This is not always true.
>> No. 23063 [Edit]
>>23062
It is. If you're a hikikomori because your schizophrenia makes it unbearable to go outside, it doesn't count. Hikidom has to stem from the will to be a recluse.
>> No. 23087 [Edit]
>>23063
can you just be quiet already. fucking STILL have to feel above others on /so/ of all places.
>> No. 23088 [Edit]
>>23087
I don't think it would be wrong to say a good chunk of TC's user base is here to feel better about themselves for not being as bad off as the next guy.
>> No. 23089 [Edit]
>>23087
Not him but he just stated facts. That's how the phenomena is defined.
I don't get how you'd interpret that as trying to be above others. Hikikomori isn't really a desirable status you should or could show off with in my opinion. And we don't know, if he's a Hikikomori in the first place.

I think trying to clear up some misconceptions about the term (above all since a few people here seem to not know much about it despite it being considered part of the name of the board) is a good thing and you should not feel personally attacked as long as he isn't writing something aggressive or mean. His post looks completely neutral to me and if you disagree, I'd like to know what exactly makes it look like he's trying to feel superior. Pointing out things that are wrong is not a personal attack. Everyone makes mistakes. Pointing them out without being an ass is helpful more than anything.

>>23088
I think it would. Or at least I hope this is not the case for the majority. We are like-minded people and it'd be stupid to try to push others on here down.
I never got how one could feel better about himself after seeing that others are "worse". It doesn't make you less shit, other people shouldn't influence your opinion of yourself. If you're content with yourself others being "worse" or "better" shouldn't matter.

Post edited on 12th Nov 2017, 12:08am
>> No. 23090 [Edit]
>>23088
Huh. Sometimes I get the impression it's the opposite, a contest of who has been more let down by society.
>> No. 23091 [Edit]
>>23087
If you want to hijack a established and medically (or "medically" if you prefer) studied terminology just so that you can pretend to fit in with a particular demographic or achieve a sense of belonging, that's your problem, not others'. This isn't your tumblr or a forum hug-box where it is not allowed to state facts that contradict any and all delusions or misconceptions you may have. If you don't like it, then inform yourself so you won't end up lashing out with a projection of your insecurity. There is leeway regarding what qualifies as a hikikomori, but that doesn't include external conditions like the one in the post you quoted.
>>23089
>trying to be above others.
Some people just don't like being disagreed with.
>Hikikomori isn't really a desirable status you should or could show off
I feel it's an understandable life choice and one that shouldn't be chastised, so some people who end as a hiki and end up hating it can get the support to "reform" what they might consider bad habits that impair them from trying to live a regular lifestyle. Apart, it's tough to be a hiki unless you are being maintained by a 3rd party or you have savings for a lifetime, but this phenomenon is not something new, so that makes it something normaldry shuns (e.g. "leeching"). Recluses and hermits have existed for as long as there has been written account. Probably even before civilizations when humans banded together to survive, some odd specimen strayed from their pack to live and tackle the world on their own against all odds.
>seem to not know much about it despite it being considered part of the name of the board
A true oddity to me, which is why...
>as long as he isn't writing something aggressive or mean.
...it's hard not to get aggressive sometimes when one of the fundamentals of board culture (lurk before posting, e.g. at least google what an otaku and a hikikomori are before participating) is so brazenly ignored. I won't deny I could use being more diplomatic about it though.
>it'd be stupid to try to push others on here down.
I agree. If I'm discussing something, I do to clear something up, not bring others down, or to try to learn about the topic in he least biased way possible.
>how one could feel better about himself after seeing that others are "worse".
Also agree. One of the things I've never understood others share is the desire for others to suffer (unrelated example: People claiming bull-fighters should be gore and then left to die). Torture of any kind is wrong, even psychological, like manipulation, which even non-normals engage in, sadly.
>>23090
Not everyone here vents their entire history, specially because (I assume/d) there is an unspoken understanding that pain is relative and competition solves nothing, at least certainly not respite from it.
>> No. 23092 [Edit]
>>23091
First of all I don't give a damn about identity bullshit. Well, I do, but that can't be helped.

I'm thinking on a bigger scale here. Is this how you get your sense of purpose? Take a step back and think about why you do anything. To feel "good" about yourself in some way. To satisfy our primal insticts. Don't do it in real life? Do it in a video game. It's not real bro! We are just a bunch of hyprocrites and we know it deep down. That's the real delusion.
>> No. 23093 [Edit]
>>23091
First of all I don't give a damn about identity bullshit. Well, I do, but that can't be helped.

I'm thinking on a bigger scale here. Is this how you get your sense of purpose? Take a step back and think about why you do anything. To feel "good" about yourself in some way. To satisfy our primal insticts. Don't do it in real life? Do it in a video game. It's not real bro! We are just a bunch of hyprocrites and we know it deep down. That's the real delusion.
>> No. 23104 [Edit]
I must ask: how do other hikikomori deal with having no money?
My only source of income is collecting low value coins my legal guardian doesn't need. I can't get welfare. I save penny by penny. And there are a lot of things I want, like nendos, posters, figures, some PC parts, some savings in case of an emergency, and I want to order high quality food. I would like to have something between 1 and 2k United States dollars in total. But it takes so long to save money that I start spending everything by the time I get to $100 or so on bootleg merchandise and ordering low quality food like fried chicken. It's so frustrating. If I were to work for a few months I would easily save that much money I need but that's out of the question. Being a theft is out of the question too as it implies going out. And like I said I can't get into welfare. And nobody wants to donate 1 grand to a hiki NEET. I really want money but I can't and I won't change my lifestyle. Everything would be so much better if I had money. Money is the most important thing. Arrrrgh, it's so frustrating.
>> No. 23105 [Edit]
>>23104
Well, it depends a lot on your location and your education. Where are you from? Are you able to use paypal for transactions and move the money back and forth to a bank account? How many languages do you know?
>> No. 23111 [Edit]
>>23104
You just deal with it. If you can't, then you can't; being a hikineet is only for the most stoic of men.

'A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money: and he that loveth riches shall reap no fruit from them: so this also is vanity.'
>> No. 23112 [Edit]
>>23104

Some hikikomori work from home.

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