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34234 No. 34234 [Edit]
What are your thoughts on it? Do you care? Has it affected you at all?

I know a lot of people are probably sick of hearing about it by now, but I thought it'd be interesting to get TC's point of view on it and see what you guy's think.
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>> No. 35272 [Edit]
>>35271
Weren't you banned for posting that?
>> No. 35280 [Edit]
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>>35272
apparently it wasn't a permaban.
>> No. 35290 [Edit]
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>>35271
>I've lost 5 kilograms of excess weight
And it just keeps going. I'm now officially not obese anymore, just overweight (BMI between 25 and 30). Hopefully I'll be back down to normal weight by the end of the lockdown.
>> No. 35291 [Edit]
>>35290
I would take your kg for your japanese skills.
>> No. 36731 [Edit]
Seems my state (CA) is going to be enforcing a month long curfew starting this Saturday. I have no freaking clue how a curfew is supposed to slow the spread of a virus, but I'm glad I wont have to listen to as many loud assholes on the street when I'm trying to sleep.
>> No. 36732 [Edit]
>>36731
Amusing that I first find out about local (er, regional I suppose) news on Tohno-chan. How is that different from the "stay-at-home" stuff that's already been in place until now? Moreover it doesn't seem like it's actually going to be enforced, so it really seems more of a symbolic move/reminder than anything else, so it's probably not going to stop those hooligans you mentioned.
>> No. 36734 [Edit]
>>36732
There isn't really any "stay-at-home" stuff here. I think that's just people deciding to do that to themselves. And yeah, might be wishful thinking.
>> No. 36742 [Edit]
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>>35290
Today and yesterday were some of the worst days of my life. I've been trying to "fix" my life for the last 6 years, but today's events had me starting to think that I'm a psychological wreckage well beyond salvation. There is no 'repairing' the damage that was done to my psyche in my childhood and teenage years.
But hey, at least the corona-induced weightloss is going well.
>> No. 37077 [Edit]
I've postponed my usual dental cleaning/checkup twice now: holding your mouth open for 30minutes gives you plenty of time to ingest any aerosolized particles from prior patients. But even if it's probably/statistically safe I'm prone to overthinking things and I'd probably nocebo effect myself into spending the next two weeks with my mind worried about whether I'd been infected instead of being able to enjoy anime. My teeth have also been fine enough in the past so I don't think waiting 1.5 yrs until the next cleaning should be an issue. (Supposedly Cockrane reviews [1, 2] also show that the benefits yearly cleanings aren't too significant assuming good dental hygiene otherwise, so it probably wouldn't matter for this single event anyway.)

Even if I did get infected though, the only part that really worries me is the long-term effects some people seem to have (fatigue, "brain fog", reduced lung capacity). I don't remember too well the last time I had flu, but the acute symptoms didn't seem that bad (only ~1 day of discomfort at worst); seems this is potentially worse on account of it being a respiratory infection?

[1] https://www.cochrane.org/CD004346/ORAL_how-often-should-you-see-your-dentist-check
[2] https://www.cochrane.org/CD004625/ORAL_routine-scale-and-polish-periodontal-health-adults
>> No. 37083 [Edit]
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37083
>What are your thoughts on it?
I love her and I want her to make as many normalshits suffer their overdue punishment for their sins for as long as they deserve and for as hard as they deserve.
>Do you care?
Very much so, yes.
>Has it affected you at all?
It hasn't yet other than having to wear a mask all the time when I go outside and it feels and looks stupid. I miss the early days of it though. Everything was so peaceful when the normalscum were shivering in their rat holes and bitching about their "depression xD" or something.
>> No. 37084 [Edit]
>>37083
>I miss the early days of it though.
Me too. It was a lot more fun and interesting. Now people aren't worried about it anymore and are acting like extra douchbags.
>> No. 37086 [Edit]
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>>37084
Maybe I haven't lost all of the optimism I have yet, but I like to think that the careless ones are the ones who will likely get bit by it sooner or later.
>> No. 37097 [Edit]
The other nice thing about covid in the early days was how lucrative the stock market was. everything dropped down and slowly started to recover over months. I didn't have much to work with however in the early days so I didn't make much. Now there's too much volatility, it's all over the place and too risky.
>> No. 37135 [Edit]
>>37097
You're suppose to buy stable stocks & hold them for dividends. It's not as sexy as day-trading and you don't earn as much. But it works.

Don't give up your day-job though. Think of it as lunch-money levels of earnings.
>> No. 37138 [Edit]
>>37135
Not much seems stable or safe these days. Besides, dividends isn't much better than putting money in a savings account and collecting next to nothing in interest. You need a massive amount of money for it to be note worthy, and by that point what they give you would seem like breadcrumbs anyway compared to what you'd have invested.
>> No. 37186 [Edit]
>>37138
Wow. You didn't read the previous post at all. Do the math, you can't live off the dividend of stocks but think of it as secondary income.
>> No. 37188 [Edit]
>>37186
I read the post, it's just a shitty waste of money. If your goal is to make money, buy something and resell it for more, put some effort in, take some risks. Don't just expect something from nothing, because you'll get little in return.
>> No. 37196 [Edit]
>>37188
>If your goal is to make money, take some risks.
The goal is make money but unlike you, I'm not gonna disregard it because it "only" makes $50/week at best. As an aside, I also sell collectables but that income stream is even more unpredictable. IRS won't bother about those income streams as it's not worth their effort to pursue.
And I also work a 9 to 5 job; fortunately it's not front-line retail.
>> No. 37354 [Edit]
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Will it be "back to normal" once enough people get the covid-vaccine?
>> No. 37355 [Edit]
>>37354
Some things will never be the same.
>> No. 37356 [Edit]
>>37354
In my country, politicians are already talking about how even with the vaccine, they can't lift lockdowns for BS reasons.
They've gotten a taste of power when they told the entire population to not leave their house except for work and by locking down most of the non-life sustaining economy, and they don't intend on giving it up.
>> No. 37359 [Edit]
You would think things would ease up a bit with so many vaccines on the market. As it is I think the restrictions might be doing far more harm that good, and we could be heading to another great depression if things aren't changed soon. That combined with the extremely unhealthy life styles both physical and mental that people have been forced to live in for the past year. Make people wear masks, social distance, whatever, fine. Just let them keep their businesses open I say. The restrictions are unfair and unreasonable, to say one shop can stay open and another must close, simply because one sells snack foods and the other doesn't. For the most part, all the big name chain stores are the ones staying open, while the small mom and pop places are being forced to closed. There's nothing "essential" about starbucks.

I've been called an asshole for saying this, but I think it's important to remember the hundreds of millions of lives being forever ruined on multiple levels, all to protect people from a virus with a low mortality rate for anyone who isn't elderly or already sick and dying. Put restrictions in place sure, just make them fair.
>> No. 37360 [Edit]
>>37354
It's probably going to take until the end of the year until the vaccine is distributed widely enough. And even then politicians are going to be very reluctant to ease lockdowns because then their opponents will accuse them of allowing deaths.
>> No. 38003 [Edit]
The sequence for the mRNA based vaccines is actually a lot shorter than I thought [1]. Pretty neat little thing. There's also a more detailed breakdown of the sequence in [2].

[1]
https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding-mRNA-sequences-for-vaccines-BNT-162b2-and-mRNA-1273/blob/main/Assemblies%20of%20put
ative%20SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding%20mRNA%20sequences%20for%20vaccines%20BNT-162b2%20and%20mRNA-1273.docx.pdf
[2] https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/

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>> No. 38012 [Edit]
>>37354
Of course not. The entire shutdown was just a ploy of the elites to get their service-rich megacity life without all those pesky peasants ruining the view and they have no intention of stopping that.
And even if the lockdown was lifted tomorrow, the economic damage would be gigantic. A massive transfer of wealth from middle class small-business owners to megacorps has taken place. Things aren't going to be the same as said megacorps are now more free than ever to grab additional power. We're seeing the start of the true cyberpunk timeline.
>> No. 38015 [Edit]
I recently learned that there's a far-less publicized vaccine – Novavax – that seems to be both immunologically superior and biologically safer. Compared to the mrna ones – pfizer, moderna – (which inject the mrna to allow cells to reconstruct and present the spike protein) and the viral-vector ones – astrazenica, johnson&johnson – (which indirectly do the same thing except using a modified adenovirus as the carrier for the corresponding dna sequence) the novavax one essentially just is a pre-grown modified spike protein.

To me this seems a lot cleaner with less possible side-effects. I wonder why no one's talking about this.
>> No. 38018 [Edit]
>>38012
Day before yesterday I spoke with one such small business owner while scouting out locations for our own. He was in the process of clearing out his bakery of 12 years. Apparently he was expected to continue making lease payments while not being allowed to be open. He tried to fight it in court but lost. He the property owners were able to afford high priced lawyers, where as his was useless. He went on to say that the rich are basically able to do whatever they want.
I asked if he would reopen somewhere else but he said he was giving up on the business, he lost all of his employees anyway.
This isn't an isolated incident, I'm sure this is happening all across the country and probably the world.
>> No. 38029 [Edit]
I was only able to graduate university last semester because of conditions created by Covid. Thanks, Corona!
>> No. 38033 [Edit]
I got this flu in November. My back hurt and I was tired for a few days. My mom (60) got it 6ish week ago. She was dying but now she is much better. Still very weak.

Old and/or sick people are dying left and right here from covid and from the vaccines too.
>> No. 38034 [Edit]
It boggles my mind that the world economy was shut down for a year because of a mildly worse than normal flu.
>> No. 38035 [Edit]
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>>38015
Well, for one, it's clinical trial results came far later than the other vaccines. Pfizer and Moderna released results in December, so they've got the most name recognition purely from being first to market. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine gets brought up regularly because it's marketed as a single-dose vaccine as opposed to the aforementioned, which recommend two doses. The others: Oxford-AstraZeneca, SinoVac, Sinopharm, and Sputnik V mainly get brought up as political punching bags for countries to boast how good their own vaccines are, and bad other countries' vaccines are.

By comparison, the Novavax vaccine has relatively little going for it that would garner publicity. I also suspect there might be vaccine-news media cartel that might be preventing it from getting more coverage; the Novavax vaccine is unique because it's extremely scalable and easy to produce in vast quantities because producing only the spike proteins is relatively trivial. From what I understand, much the same as Insulin is produced in bulk via massive yeast cultures, the Novavax vaccine is created in much the same way. In other words, it's both effortless and very cheap to produce, so from a cynically minded pharmaceutical corp's perspective, keeping them down is for the best because a vaccine that costs cents to make could make boat loads of cash.

As far as immunological response and "biological safety" is concerned, the other vaccines aren't particularly noteworthy at least in terms of biomechanics. They all essentially work the same way: reusing the viral mRNA sequence that codes for the spike protein from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The "infected" cells then express the spike protein, which is detected by the immune system as a foreign antigen, prompting an immunological response and "training" the immune system to recognize the spike protein so that the immune system responds quickly in the event of genuine infection.

To my knowledge, the only other ones outside of the Novavax that are novel are the Chinese Sinovac and Sinopharm COVID vaccines which are just typical inactivated virus vaccines which most other vaccines are (like the flu vaccines, or the polio vaccine for example). In terms of efficaciousness, they appear to provide less protection than the other vaccines, but because they are essentially just the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself, they may prove to have better protection against variants because the immune system may pick up on more antigens to respond to than just the spike protein. Regardless, trial information on those vaccines isn't publicly available, so how efficacious they are is mostly up to speculation.

If you want to be afraid of any vaccines, be afraid of the Tetanus vaccine: it's an actual toxin. OOOooOOOoooh~~ scary. Don't you just wish you could have the experience to seize up and stop breathing because you stepped on a nail? Gosh darn toxic vaccines preventing pain, suffering, and death. What gall.

>>38034
If we had a similar scale of civic organizing and the initial stay at home order was longer and had draconian enforcement, the world could be COVID free like China. Ah well.

Post edited on 10th Apr 2021, 2:23pm
>> No. 38036 [Edit]
>>38035
Agree with most of what you wrote, but the very strong immunogenic reaction and associated inflammation that the second dose of both mrna/viral vector vaccines produces is something to keep an eye on. Post-viral fatigue is a relatively uncommon although pretty well documented issues (which was recently brought back into the spotlight with the "long covid") and while from what i see it's not yet well understood, some hypotheses are that it's triggered by inflammation and a byproduct of the immune response.
>> No. 38037 [Edit]
>>38035
>COVID free like China
That guy actually believes what China says. That's hilarious.
By western standards the disease is rampant in China, only they got over it and treat it as common flu. It's not wrong, it's pretty much a white lie and everyone else should follow the Chinese example if that's what it takes to move the fuck on from this tiresome storyline.
>> No. 38038 [Edit]
>>38037
China likely played up the seriousness of it so they could hurt the US economy. Remember at the beginning there was a lot of FUD and early videos from China about people falling over in the streets or being boarded up in their houses? I find it hard to believe that China and its great firewall couldn't stop a few videos spreading on SNS if they wanted to.
>> No. 38047 [Edit]
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IIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
My mother is trying to convicing me into taking this vaccine. I don't know what to do. I was researching here and asked around, it seems you don't even know what vaccine you will get until you get there. Also it's only open for elderly, children and the tards with down etc. But they also opened for autism, so my mom wants to put me in there through a aspergers or something, but I fear that there will be a dose designed for tards or something, I don't feel like going in.
But more importatly I'm in Brazil, and theres a brazilian vaccine CoronaVac, what do you guys think about it? How the fuck can monkeys even develop a vaccine? So, my state ordered lots of CoronaVac and some Astra-Zeneca. The greater propability is of CoronaVac. My mother is talking about people who died, trying to me afraid and go there.
When I was a teen I took a vaccine against chickenpox. But I got chickenpox some years later. Bullshit vaccine. In these last years I have had a great health overall, and my parents get flu even though they took flu vaccine, sometimes.
I am hikikomoring right now, and never leave the room. My father is a "science is absolute truth tv says so" doctor.
Could you help me out?
I have to answer my mother this afternoon.
>> No. 38048 [Edit]
>>38047
She's also taking about the bad lasting symptons. About senses and similar.
Also, this vaccine appears to be made with chinese partership. Also, Rockfeller was doing vaccines here ages ago. I'm with racing thoughts, will take a break and think calmly.
>> No. 38049 [Edit]
>>38048
Not a medical professional, but.

Even with AstraZeneca's reports of blood clot cases among younger individuals, your likelihood of developing an aberrant immune condition is significantly lower than your likelihood of developing a strong case of COVID-19. I have no idea of how CoronaVac is doing, however.

No vaccine is perfect. Not every jab will give you 100% protection - however, they are very good at priming your immune system towards recognizing a specific kind of danger. It's like a training exercise for your body - learning to recognize the virus on a harmless, but biologically similar, thing. As such, the chickenpox vaccine may well have prevented you from a worse medical outcome - even if it didn't protect you fully. This is also why the concept of "herd immunity" is so important - a vaccine is not guaranteed to fully protect every single vaccinated person, but if enough people are protected, a carrier is unlikely to have anybody to spread the virus to.

Flu vaccines (and I mean seasonal flu, not COVID-19) are a bit quirky - IIRC, researchers essentially try to guess which variants will be popular, as there's so many flu viruses they can't really make a vaccine that covers all of them. Therefore, they don't fully protect against the flu - they just make it less likely for you to catch it.

Hope this helps.
>> No. 38050 [Edit]
>>38047
No doctor, but unless you are old, have a health problem or weakened immune system, this virus wont kill you. I dont know these days what they put into vaccines to stimulate the immune system but it used to be aluminium and mercury which are not very good for mental health problems.
>> No. 38051 [Edit]
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Just had a talk with my father. He claims that corona is "migrating", that it was a geeser-killer, but as the elderly got vaccinated, corona migrated to people in theirs 40's and above. Is this even a real phenomenon? And there are going to be young healthy people getting it.I never heard of anything like this. I will still have to wear masks, and the current restrictions are full strength.
>>38049
> I have no idea of how CoronaVac is doing, however.
I did not care about this whole thing, so I only started looking for information on it recently. Some volunteers died last years, but it appears that this vaccine works in the same way of Sinovac.
>As such, the chickenpox vaccine may well have prevented you from a worse medical outcome - even if it didn't protect you fully.
This was what I was told. It was not light enought that I didn't needeed potassium permaganate, but from reports of people affected by it, mine seemed lighter.
The overall atmosphere makes me very wary of it, though. I don't like to make decisions based on fear.
>>38050
It seems it contains the following:
aluminum hydroxide, disodium hydrogen phosphate, sodium dihydrogen phosphate, sodium chloride, water for injections and sodium hydroxide for pH adjustment. And 600 SU of inactivated corona. and 0,5 ml solution of the above.
>> No. 38052 [Edit]
>>38047
Some health workers in Brazil injected people with empty syringes, which can kill you. So if you do get it, I'd demand to get a look at the syringe before they stick you with it.
>>38051
That shit aint real.
Viruses work by natural selection: The ones that don't kill people exist longer and can, generally, infect more people. Thus, over time the mortality of a virus goes down. The reason old people still die is because they tend to have a system that's balanced on knife's edge as it is, so even a cold has a chance of killing them. More deadly mutations tend to be short-lived and much more local, since a dead host isn't infecting masses of people.
A virus doesn't have a kill-quota so that if no 80 year olds are available it just starts killing 20 year olds instead.
>> No. 38053 [Edit]
>>38052
Actually, now that I think of it, there's one scenario I could see this existing:
If the vaccine prevents symptoms, but still allows you to spread the virus, that'd mean that natural selection more or less gets suspended. The unvaccinated (which, since vaccine drives prioritize the elderly, would be young) might start dying more often as the vaccinated that don't feel any symptoms themselves work as incubators for deadlier versions.
>> No. 38054 [Edit]
>>38047
Chickenpox is something that you don't want to get (even if light symptoms) since it can manifest as shingles later on (the virus lies dormant in your body).

>>38050
Supposedly the mrna vaccines don't use a separate adjuvant (which makes sense, since you don't really need one if your cells actively assemble and present the spike protein). Novavax uses their "matrix-M" adjuvant which is some saponin based thing.

Post edited on 13th Apr 2021, 2:17pm
>> No. 38055 [Edit]
>>38051
>aluminum hydroxide
Then I was kinda right.
>> No. 38056 [Edit]
>>38053
This is actually a real concern when it comes to vaccination. It's important to understand that the benefits of vaccination -- at least for COVID in particular -- aren't instantaneous. The papers on vaccine efficacy have largely concluded that full-protection (meaning 100% protection against death, not illness) is not guaranteed until 30 days after being vaccinated. Some data that came out of Israel showed that incidence of infection actually increased post-vaccination for the first two weeks, but it can be surmised this was due to people believing that the vaccine instantly protected them and reverting back to "risky" pre-pandemic behaviors. It's for that reason why public messaging has reiterated that behavior like social distancing and mask-wearing not end with people getting vaccinated, because COVID can, does, and will still spread post-vaccination. Of particular concern is the degree to which variants are protected against by the various vaccines. For the most part, they're still effective, just less so.

Anyways, I think it bears mentioning again because I don't think everyone understands this point: the vaccines by and large only protect against death. Getting vaccinated does not ensure that you won't still get infected or even that won't still get very sick yourself, just that you won't get anywhere near as sick as you otherwise would have. It's my personal belief that it's for that reason COVID won't just end with everyone getting vaccinated, but will instead become an endemic disease the same way seasonal flus have, especially because there is even greater vaccine hesitancy with the COVID vaccines than there is with simple routine vaccines given during childhood. Not to mention there are those who believe themselves "too strong to get sick and need a vaccine" the same way some people think of yearly flu shots as well. Pride is an ugly thing.
>> No. 38065 [Edit]
I don't really care if it uses RNA or not. I just want a one dose vaccine since I hate getting shots.
>> No. 38066 [Edit]
>>38056
>the same way some people think of yearly flu shots as well

Do you get the flu shot every year anon?
>> No. 38067 [Edit]
Why do vaccines even need aluminum? This one is a dead one, so there should be no need to receive a adjuvant.
Would you take it, if you were in my place?
>> No. 38068 [Edit]
>>38067
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html
>> No. 38069 [Edit]
>>38066
I don't go out of my way to try and get them, but whenever they're offered at check-ups, I don't decline them. Either I'm just lucky or the shots have worked for me, but I've never gotten the flu.
>> No. 38076 [Edit]
>>38067
>Why do vaccines even need aluminum?
Aluminium stimulates the immune system. It also gets stuck in your brain, very hard to detox.

>Would you take it, if you were in my place?
That depends on your risk factors. And if there are any people near you that you don't want to infect later on. Though, I dont even know if vaccinated people can still infect others or not.
(I wouldnt worry about aluminium in any case.)
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