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4010 No. 4010 [Edit]
Last time this idea was mentioned it developed into a huge insult-fest so I'd like to try again. Personally I believe fujoshi should be allowed on the site. They should be allowed to talk about their husbando, yaoi, other fujoshi interests etc, its just that they shouldnt draw attention to their gender or other parts of thei real life identity (same for male users of the site, actually). I don't see a reason why fellow abnormals and otaku shouldn't be here, as we're all in the same boat. Already there are a few girls lurking here and they are well behaved.

I do not think people get annoyed by seeing female oriented otaku stuff here per se, they are just afraid of the implications that having females has on the site. Having a female on the site doesn't automaically mean any of the rules are broken actually.

At any rate keep this discussion civil and stay on topic. Give your responses a sound logical basis. Don't insult others and don't link this to feminism or the actions of other females either, because that has nothing to do with this issue (fujoshi and normal females are as distinct as male otaku and normal males).
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>> No. 4011 [Edit]
>They should be allowed to talk about their husbando
Thats already the case. mai was called /mai/ - waifu & husbando for a good while. They left of their own volition.
>> No. 4012 [Edit]
>they shouldnt draw attention to their gender or other parts of thei real life identity (same for male users of the site, actually)

this site has a whole board dedicated to having boring egotists talk about themselves in detail and the people who use that board infest the other boards as well with their autobiographical shitbooktier pablum.
my guess is that girls aren't allowed because the attention whoring faggots who post on /soc and post their /socshit all over the other boards are worried that having female around would steal their thunder and they don't want to have to compete in their attention whoring endeavors.
>> No. 4013 [Edit]
>its just that they shouldnt draw attention to their gender

It's against the rules to do so, should it ever happen report the post and mods will delete it.
>> No. 4014 [Edit]
>Last time this idea was mentioned it developed into a huge insult-fest so I'd like to try again.

Yeah things will totally be different this time, good work
>> No. 4015 [Edit]
If they aren't going to draw attention to their gender, then what the hell is the point of this thread? Husbandos are already allowed on /mai/, and there are already users there that have them. I see them post there without any sort of persecution or shitstorms. There's even a female non-anon that posts on /ot/, /ns/ and /so/ that people seem to begrudgingly tolerate. The point being, fujoshi ARE allowed here so as long as they aren't "hurr durr I'm a girl"- and aside from the aforementioned name-user and the VPN persecution complex one (easily identifiable by their typing style, looks a lot like the bitter post >>4012 incidentally), I don't really see it often. I personally have no problem with the ones that aren't like those two, and I'm aware that there are a few lurking here.

This will devolve into a shitstorm fast, though. I would advise deleting the thread.

Post edited on 20th Jun 2013, 1:47pm
>> No. 4023 [Edit]
Women don't belong here. The only reason they pretend to be into otaku interests is for attention, they cannot relate to the rest of the users here.
And the husbando thing... Please. All a woman has to do is open her legs and get fucked. They cannot be lonely or relate to the 2D-lover's way of life at all. The only reason a woman would claim to have a husbando is for attention, just like how they ruined video games now they're trying to shove themselves somewhere else they don't belong and ruin another niche culture.
>> No. 4024 [Edit]
Again, why is this an issue? This is an anonymous imageboard. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Women and men should have equal status on this board as long as they abide by the rules. As long as they don't behave like "gurl gamers" I have no issue with this.

But why even bother "allowing" fujoshi when posts like this exist? Christ, did your mom piss in your bottle when you were a toddler? Women didn't ruin anime and video games for you; self-aggrandizing attention-seeking retards did. Don't let them ruin those mediums for you.
>> No. 4025 [Edit]
>Women didn't ruin anime and video games for you; self-aggrandizing attention-seeking retards did.
I think the problem is that "self-aggrandizing attention-seeking retards" is often synonymous with women (or, more accurately, most of our experiences with women in these types of communities), probably because otaku interests often appeal to certain types of women who exhibit behavior that is often self-aggrandizing and attention-seeking, types of behavior that most here would rather not be associated with.

That's not to say all women (or even most) are like that; it's just that niche things tend to attract women who believe themselves special snowflakes for liking those things (and are made to feel more special when they're given attention by men). Not only that but even being known to be female forces women who aren't seeking attention into a situation in which they seem to be seeking attention because of all of the men who (inevitably) respond to them, furthering the stereotype many hold here about women on the internet.

While it's natural for any person in their position, male or female, to feel the way they sometimes do (as being "special"), that doesn't mean it should be promoted on this website. Besides that, because of the attention women attract on the internet, regardless of whether they want the attention, it has the potential to do more harm than good, even for the most well-meaning female poster.
>> No. 4027 [Edit]
>or, more accurately, most of our experiences with women in these types of communities

yes, more accurately my experience is that the problem is that immature retards fly off the handle at the first mention of the opposite gender and that is the origin of any shitstorms relating to women. the women themselves are almost never at fault, its always some moron(s) who has to play the internet tough guy as soon as a female is nearby.
>> No. 4029 [Edit]
Holy shit, could you be any more self-entitled and bitter? You're quick to blame the male userbase here for everything (how refreshing), yet you're the only person here spewing baseless insults and trying to start a shitstorm yourself. Go discuss your dislike of males somewhere else. There are plenty of places on the internet for it.
>> No. 4031 [Edit]
If I replace 'butt hurt' with 'bitter' I can call people butt hurt all I want and no one will be any the wiser! it's genius!! blahahahahahaha!!!
>> No. 4035 [Edit]
So; you would rather people use 4chan terminology? Alright.
>> No. 4036 [Edit]
you're so cute.
>> No. 4037 [Edit]
>> No. 4046 [Edit]

>the women themselves are almost never at fault, its always some moron(s) who has to play the internet tough guy as soon as a female is nearby.

Damn, this is so true it hurts. Well, to make it nigh on perfect you should've probably written 'play the internet tough guy or a white knight' but still, spot on.
>> No. 4049 [Edit]
It's cute how you dodge the issue.
>> No. 4050 [Edit]
What issue? Your honestly bizarre choice of raging (or getting butthurt if you prefer) over very minor semantics doesn't even have any relevance to the thread's point at all, or any other issues for that matter.

The existence of this thread has already been proven to be pointless multiple times by different posters via the stating of the simple fact that it's an anonymous imageboard; ergo, fujoshi are allowed here so as long as they don't needlessly bring up their gender or spew feminist shit like >>4012.
>> No. 4051 [Edit]
lol, someone's raging here but it's not me.
>> No. 4052 [Edit]
u sure bro im pretty sure its you
>> No. 4057 [Edit]
Obviously this thread still needs to be here if there are people who still need convincing.
>> No. 4058 [Edit]
The only people that would still need convincing are the ones that would want to draw attention to their gender in the first place, and unless I misunderstand OP, that's not what she wants.
>> No. 4066 [Edit]
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Back in the ib4f days, we had at least two long threads for general discussion on the fujoshi subject within the otaku culture in general. We, including a certain Erika tripfag, more or less agreed that there was absolutely no problem about having fujoshi among us as long as they functionally behaved like brohnos... i.e. that they could very well talk about their husbandos and the media they like, as long as they approached it with the same general /tc/ fashion of those days, which still majorly consisted of a shut-in/alienated way of life centered around honest 2D love, far from some weeaboo/fan-girl clichés (con-going, cosplaying, blurting phrases,...) that we identified with an active social life and so regarded as unwanted. However, the 3D misogyny on the site somewhat exploded during those days (not a bad thing in principle, imo), and I guess that chased away some of the fujoshi that couldn't separate well enough their own physical status (which many guys in here despise as well, wanting to be effeminate and such) from their /tc/ persona.

In any case: I think the main pray of this thread is about specific and polemic fujoshi tastes, like BL, not to be bullied at /tc/ on the basis of 3D misogyny. If that's what OP is asking for, I think it's a fair request. However, OP, you must realize that even with the mods on your side, /tc/'s userbase unfortunately has become far ruder than before and, fujoshi oriented or not, shows are now regularly attacked by their respective haters instead of being left alone; so I don't know if it's worth the fight to try opening the door in here for a demographic that might be expected to get chased by haters. I mean: you can go and give a try anyway, but be ready to face those dudes shitting on your threads just like men must as well when talking about other polemic fashion of shows.
>> No. 4067 [Edit]
There is no "misogyny" unless they mention their gender, even if stereotypically fujoshi tastes are brought up. They've been brought up before and still are brought up without any incident whatsoever.

You (as well as so many others) are also far too eager to throw around the buzzword "misogyny", even when there's so little outrage over gender outside of these threads that the fujoshi themselves make. Again, 'fujoshi subjects' (ie: husbandos, female-directed anime, and even yaoi) are discussed completely without incident, and yet people talk as if the userbase here is a KKK-tier group dedicated to male supremacy. And why? Because they simply dislike it when women seek extra respect and privilege by mentioning their gender? Personally, I dislike histrionic behavior of all kinds- a large reason why I avoid Ford Drivers and their lifestyle in the first place. But the second I call out a female on it, I'm just assumed to be hating her because of her gender instead of her behavior. Because, y'know, it's simply impossible for females to be disliked for any reason other than sexism, right? If not giving fujoshi special treatment and immunity to rules that male members of the community are expected to follow makes me a misogynist, then consider me one of the "haters".

Also, you'd practically never see any kind of sexist mentality here (towards either gender) if people didn't make threads like this. Just something to think about.
>> No. 4069 [Edit]
>If not giving fujoshi special treatment and immunity to rules that male members of the community are expected to follow makes me a misogynist, then consider me one of the "haters".
No, please, you would be neither of them. My point, was, precisely, to sympathize with the thread's cause insofar as an otaku by not confusing fujoshi stuff haters with misogynists, and to tell OP to expect haters of her stuff as anyone would, independently of the outright misogynistic personal views that some of us do have (and proudly so).

So do not take TEH label as necessarly disqualifying. Just something to think about.
>> No. 4070 [Edit]
there is an obvious disconnect between the faction of TC users who hate women because they couldn't get a 3dpd and the faction of users who hate all humans.
>> No. 4071 [Edit]
what about users who hate women because women are lying cheating manipulative self centered gold digging whores?
>> No. 4072 [Edit]

They count towards the former and are just too dumb to realize that as a rule of thumb men are every bit as bad.
>> No. 4073 [Edit]
true enough.
>> No. 4074 [Edit]
>what about users who hate women because women are lying cheating manipulative self centered gold digging whores?
I don't think you're understanding women from their perspectives. I mean that if you think women are "lying cheating manipulative self centered gold digging whores," you should understand what's causing that perception. Of course it's your point of view (i.e. your experiences and your interpretations of them), but you should ask what is leading to your perception of women as such, socially speaking (both in your case and in the case of women generally).
>> No. 4078 [Edit]
If I start with a nice meal from a five star restaurant, I couldn't care less if a long journey trough my gastrointestinal tract caused it to come out as shit. That shit is still shit and it doesn't matter how it became shit or what it was before it became shit.

If however you're trying to say my personal experiences along with everything else I've ever witnessed have clouded my judgement, than what exactly is a person supposed to make their judgment on? Should I just ignore the many horror stories I hear and see of men getting taken advantage of by toxic women?
>> No. 4080 [Edit]
My bad, I misunderstood your core points- which I do agree with. Carry on.
>> No. 4082 [Edit]
I was saying both. There are qualities you're labeling with "gold digging (etc.)" that are interpretations of what you've heard about women and what you've seen from women, but what you're usually reading are worst case scenarios that most people may experience perhaps once, perhaps never.

The problem is that, reading enough of them, you'll begin to find patterns in those stories (the traits you listed were interpretations and repetitions of qualities interpreted by the writers of those stories) and form generalizations based on those patterns. Because of that, your mind begins searching for these patterns you found whenever you see women anywhere, and, whether it's applicable or not, you start applying the generalizations formed earlier based on the horror stories to them because your experiences with women were probably negative to some degree starting out (or, possibly but less likely, neutral from inexperience) and the mental framework you created from the stories to understand women ends up exacerbating the overall negativity of those experiences and your current perception of women, trying to fit them into your generalizations (in other words, trying to find some way to dislike them), which in turn reinforces your framework of women being awful when you always find something, as the personalities of other people as we perceive them are reductive interpretations of actions (sometimes many actions, sometimes just one).

In order to attempt to find out whether your perceptions are relatively correct or skewed, you have to ask yourself, if your perceptions are skewed, what might have caused that and how can you realign them toward something more reflective of the world as it is (perhaps asking the question itself amounts to you being able to detach yourself enough to realign them). You shouldn't necessarily "ignore" the stories, but you should realize that the stories are just that: stories, experiences reinterpreted by writers into a coherent narrative. And not only are they just stories, but they're horror stories, the worst of the worst. They're designed to make the woman in the story into a monster, regardless of whether she truly was or wasn't one.
>> No. 4090 [Edit]

I don't think /tc/ is the right place to talk about objective judgment of the beings we call humans. If you're a bitter, jaded misanthrope you'll feel right at home, if not you might... No, you will have trouble relating to stories of other people.
On /tc/ trying to fix somebody's warped worldview is not only meaningless, it's also a fool's errand. Even if the person in question believes every single woman out there is a gold digging whore whose sole purpose in life is making his life miserable.
>> No. 4091 [Edit]
I hate to rain on your parade, but virtually NOBODY is willing to change their worldview for a stranger, be it a "bitter, jaded" TC user or any random stereotypical Ford Driver pulled off the street. This includes the people that like to act like the 'enlightened elite' and criticize people for being close minded (no, I'm not necessarily accusing you or the poster above you of doing that).

You act as though this is something characteristic of NEETs or TC, when really it's something characteristic of human beings as a whole. Many TC users have had their fair share of bad experiences with people, yes, but I would argue that the average person's worldview is skewed just as much, albeit probably in a different direction (prime example: feminists).
>> No. 4092 [Edit]

>You act as though this is something characteristic of NEETs or TC

I'm not, I'm well aware that it's 'normal' to do so, I just said I don't think this is the best place to try to pull it off.

>average person's worldview is skewed just as much, albeit probably in a different direction (prime example: feminists)

That's anything but average, it's just the opposite spectrum of extremism.
>> No. 4094 [Edit]
It's average in the sense that it's a common/widespread mentality (as well as socially acceptable), even if it's rather extreme on the scale.

Post edited on 26th Jun 2013, 7:54pm
>> No. 4099 [Edit]
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This guy makes sense.
Everyone on /so/ writes and acts like a woman all the time, even if you had big welcome signs and advertised, it would only get slightly more cringeworthy than it is now.
Pretty sure this site is majority girls.

I was under the impression that this site was actually becoming flooded with fujoshi given the current state of /so/, and all the animes like precure and some of those longeyelashespointychin romance female MC threads that were here a few months ago.

picture unrelated, but dont open it if you're scared of guro, REAL DRAWINGS HARMED IN THE MAKING!!1
>> No. 4101 [Edit]
Oh, the guro argument guy again. Still frustrated over that?
>> No. 4102 [Edit]

If it's one thing I've learned in my almost 3 years of being here, it's that there's some people who can never let something go. Expect to hear from mad guro guy for the next 5 years
>> No. 4103 [Edit]
>>4012 is a fujoshi and WANTS more females on the site. The only thing they're agreeing with you on is that /so/ is shitty.

Though given the fact that you're randomly bringing up the guro shit again, I'm guessing you've only just recently taken up the "/so/ sucks" side of the argument as a result of your asspain in that thread a couple of weeks ago.
>> No. 4104 [Edit]
I just read the locked thread on guro, a mod can check my IP and compare with that thread if they want.
I thought it was pretty funny, guess you guys didnt.

I still agree with the poster I first responded to in that /so/ is a whinefest. If you're worried about girls attentionwhoring, people already do it in /so/ by blogging about every little thing in their life.

The link I posted is from a board that actually has fujoshi, if you add shitty conventions (which I recall there being threads of already a year ago) and cosplay along with trannies and put them all in /so/, it wouldn't be much worse than it is already.

The anime thing is also true, there have been shitty fujoshit animes posted on /an/ lately.

I dont see why you ignored everything else on my post just because of the guro thing, I just wanted to make my post funny.
>> No. 4105 [Edit]
The 'guro guy' has already changed his IP to ban evade multiple different times and posted in different threads besides that one. I'm not accusing you of lying here, but I'm sure you can see where the other poster and I would get the impression that you were him, given his tendency to keep coming back.

/so/ has plenty of attention-whoring posts, sure, but I still see decent threads pop up there now and then. As for your point regarding /an/, I completely agree. My main concern is that many of them can't post without dragging their gender into everything. I'm not worried about /so/ becoming shittier given the already rather bloglike nature of the place; I just don't want to see an influx of off-handed 'I'm a girl' references, cries of "persecution", and the inevitable gender war threads (ie: feminist shit, 'you guys are all misogynists', etc) that tend to follow them. I have no problems if they intend to stay anonymous and discuss otaku subjects with the rest of us, and I'm sure there are at least a few doing this right now. The longer this thread stays up, though, the more I think OP is advocating the more common attention-whore brand of fujoshi.
>> No. 4106 [Edit]
The women of uboachan are not fujoshi, they are lesbian, cosplaying Ford Drivers.
>> No. 4107 [Edit]
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>like precure

... And what is that supposed to have to do with fujoshi?
No, wait, before that - what is it supposed to have with women period? Picture very fucking related.
Also, most fujoshi either dislike or have no interest in 'ongeyelashespointychin romance female MC' shows.

>shitty fujoshit animes posted on /an/ lately

Haven't really seen a single thread like that. Like, ever.
>> No. 4108 [Edit]
> most fujoshi either dislike or have no interest in 'ongeyelashespointychin romance female MC' shows.

i like that kind of show
>> No. 4109 [Edit]
especially when some of the characters are part animal (but also not furries)
>> No. 4110 [Edit]
The only recent fujoshit anime I can think of was Uta no☆Prince-sama, and no one bothered to make a thread for that in spite of it being one of the best sellers in japan.
>> No. 4111 [Edit]
Do you guys even realize what fujoshi means?
>> No. 4112 [Edit]
And here comes the obligatory tryhard to bitch about semantics. Let me guess, you're butthurt because everyone here is using the term fujoshi interchangably with 'female otaku' instead of 'yaoi loving girl' or its literal meaning 'rotten girl'?
>> No. 4114 [Edit]
Yeah, I love Fruits Basket as much as I loathe blood and flesh women. If this is the kind of shows that's making all the fuzz, this discussion is ridiculous: they've always been part of /tc/. Go ahead and post, whatever you are.
>> No. 4115 [Edit]
>> No. 4116 [Edit]

>Let me guess, you're butthurt because everyone here is using the term fujoshi interchangably with 'female otaku' instead of 'yaoi loving girl' or its literal meaning 'rotten girl'?

Brilliant, let's juse use those two terms interchangeably. Who cares if fujoshi is a term that refers to a group with a specific, somewhat niche interests; as long as they're female it's okay to call them fujoshi.

Starting today I'll call all men fudanshi and all women rekijo, hope there won't be anyone among who who is enough of a tryhard to bitch about semantics.
>> No. 4117 [Edit]
Your analogies are as poor as your attempts to sound educated by crying over this shit in the first place. The bottom line is that fujoshi is used as a term for female otaku in western otaku communities. If you don't like it, fuck off or head on over to 2ch or one its many variations.

Do you also get your ninja headband in a knot every time someone uses the term hentai to refer to anime pornography?
>> No. 4118 [Edit]

Wonderful argument, if everybody is retarded and misusing a given term then it's perfectly fine, let's just change what the term stands for. Ah, such a brilliant solution, I wonder why I never considered that one before.
>> No. 4119 [Edit]
You must be pretty unobservant, because this slang formation is something that happens frequently over language barriers. Even a child could see your laughable lack of logic here.
>> No. 4148 [Edit]
I think people shouldn't be surprised when the site is full of people who are hostile against 3D women, when even the site owner himself hates 3D women.
>> No. 4149 [Edit]
So did he ever actually say "I hate women" or is that grossly exaggerated like the overwhelming majority of accusations of "misogyny"? Though I know simply not wanting to date 3D women is enough to be labeled a woman-hater nowadays.
>> No. 4150 [Edit]
I hate (real) women
>> No. 4151 [Edit]
Well, that clears that up. Can't say I personally blame you. I just see a lot of males that don't hate or even dislike women branded as "misogynists" for so much as disagreeing with a female at any point in their lives.

Post edited on 11th Jul 2013, 12:29am
>> No. 4152 [Edit]
you're right, and that's one of the reasons why I don't like (real) women.
>> No. 4153 [Edit]
We're all full of contradictions.
>> No. 4154 [Edit]
Just post and try not to have a victim complex when one or two people say something remotely bad about you.
>> No. 4155 [Edit]

It's not a victim complex if you actually do get attacked.

That being said, should something like that happen just report it and move on.
>> No. 4156 [Edit]
It is a victim complex if you assume you're being attacked for a reason that has nothing to do with the actual reason why you're being criticized. That one person said it perfectly earlier; they just automatically assume everyone is hating on them because of their gender instead of their behavior, even if they don't explicitly mention their gender. If that isn't a bona fide victim complex, I don't know what is.
>> No. 4157 [Edit]
Jesus Christ, once again, don't be surprised when people insult you when you come on a site with a relatively small userbase, full of people who love and obsess over 2D and hate 3D. Sure there are probably those few homodimensional fags out there who actually somehow like 3D (I personally think they should fuck off there are thousands of other sites that would better suit their tastes) and also the people that dislike 3DPDs romantically but don't mind them as people.

Regardless, there is still that what I believe to be a big portion of people that dislike and even despise 3D and 3DPDs. For example, If a hetero walked into a gay bar and got insulted for being into chics, he shouldn't be surprised, or if a black guy announces on some white pride website that he is black and gets insulted, while I hate racism, sorry it's his fault for stepping onto a site like that. Hopefully you get the picture by now. For some reason Ford Drivers, 3DPDs, and whatever kind of people the site obviously would have a problem with always feel the need to come here announce who they are and expect to be welcomed, they just keep pushing buttons, first they want that as long as they don't announce themselves they can post, then they want to be able to announce themselves, then they don't want to ever be insulted, it's horrible.
>> No. 4158 [Edit]
Well said. They can already post here anonymously with everyone else and follow the same rules and regulations as everyone else. Asking for additional special treatment in a place like this is pretty ridiculous, and really makes you question how "anonymous" they intend to stay.
>> No. 4160 [Edit]
What the fuck are you going on about.
>> No. 4161 [Edit]
Do you honestly not see any hypocrisy at all in using greentext, reaction images, terms like "lawl", "fail", and "inb4"... and then telling someone else to go back to /b/?

Get off this site, sister. If I recall you were doing the same exact shit in /so/ a few weeks ago.
>> No. 4163 [Edit]
All 3d is untrustworthy. The Fashion thread that caused a freakout recently isn't even bad, no one is spreading 3d bullshit or acting like a normal and not fitting in. Definitely male here and I like looking at cute things. Does that make me a Fujoshi? As long as this isn't /soc/ (goes for any 3d people) and people aren't advertising themselves I don't give a fuck about who you are.
>> No. 4172 [Edit]
>Sometimes you just wanna chill with a few chicks,
So go somewhere else.
>> No. 4173 [Edit]
Why is this a thread
>> No. 4174 [Edit]
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no u
>> No. 4175 [Edit]
Probably responding to a troll here, but fujoshi are already allowed on TC. The only thing that isn't allowed is calling attention to your gender for no reason. How many times does this seriously need to be stated? Are OP and her ilk really incapable of seeing this? Or do they think it's not even worth posting unless they can broadcast their gender to everyone?

I've been wondering this for a while now.
>> No. 4225 [Edit]
(I think you guys are forgetting women can't be NEETs, hikis or even virgins)
>> No. 4229 [Edit]
They can, the last two are just astronomically rare compared to their male counterparts. I'd rather you didn't post shit like that though, as it feeds their persecution complex and also gives them a free ticket to be histrionic if they so choose.
>> No. 4239 [Edit]
Sure they can. Usually when they're really ugly. But in that case you don't even think of them as being girls.
>> No. 4307 [Edit]
I don't see why I wouldn't. I think the average "hot" girl looks fucking ugly as shit too.
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