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31756 No. 31756 [Edit]
What are your thoughts on the rising number of "ironic weebs" and the increasing popularity and acceptance of otaku media & materials in the west's mainstream?
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>> No. 31947 [Edit]
>>31945
>now SJWs are influencing it
First question: Which of these statements do you find repulsive and/or unagreeable?
>"I tend to think that it’s a distortion to treat the heroine like some sort of trophy."
>"Recently, I’ve made a deliberately conscious decision to write the young females actively participating more in the story."
>"For the young girls, I want to give them the strength to take hold of their own lives."
Second question: The article you linked says
>one would wonder how Sword Art Online would evolve organically? Or, in his own words “unconsciously”
However, he was not forced or coerced to change Sword Art Online. After all, he responds first and foremost to the Japanese publishing companies and editors, not the Western ones - there are no "SJWs", as you call them, in his chain of command; there is no danger to him were he to refuse implementing those elements. In other words, by this article, this "organic" or "unconscious" development can only happen if the writer lives in a vacuum completely separated from what other people think or believe - but what can this create, other than repeating the same tropes and cliches? It's one situation where someone gets fired for not agreeing with a certain political belief; it's another when a creator makes an independent choice based on discussion with people who share different beliefs.
>> No. 31948 [Edit]
Well, I didn't expect to get replies this fast. This place used to be rather slow.
>>31947
From my understanding, he visited a convention in the US and was approached by a few of these leftist types who told him he needed to change things about the show. This in turn influenced him because he thought that this is what the west wanted. I suppose this just proves more so that Reki is a fag and less that SJWs are infiltrating anime, but it's still irritating.
>>31946
I suppose I am a bit of a hipster. I just don't like being associated with large fanbases, especially when those fanbases have become infiltrated by trendy teenage hypebeasts (like the anime community is now). In about a decade or so, when anime becomes niche again, I'll come back to it; but for now, I am watching a lot of old anime and rewatching series I used to enjoy.
>> No. 31949 [Edit]
>>31948
>this is what the west wanted
When your royalty checks come from Japan? I think this is more of an "I never thought about it this way because I didn't consider this particular perspective" situation.
I'm really sad that every creative decision authors make seems to be read in this political way nowadays - is it really wrong if a creator asks an activist for their perspective, or an activist approaches the writer about their view? As long as it doesn't devolve into witchhunts and threats, I see nothing wrong with people sharing their diverse outlook on things. Even if the activists' motives in sharing their message can be ideological in nature, the creative worker's decision may well just be a matter of them considering something they hadn't before.
>> No. 31950 [Edit]
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>>31948
>especially when those fanbases have become infiltrated by trendy teenage hypebeasts
Keep in mind the anglosphere is late to this trend compared to non-English Europe and other parts of the world.
>> No. 31951 [Edit]
>>31950
That comment is most likely from the United States, as evident by ordering from Right Stuf in 1996. But Sailor Moon was, indeed, a big craze in this part of Europe at least. It more or less kicked off the entire manga/anime fandom.
>> No. 31955 [Edit]
>>31951
I lived in the states back then. It was Akira that got everyone to take japanese animation seriously. Before Akira the comic cons were mainly Marvel/DC affairs and if you saw anything Japanese it was likely Godzilla merchandise, but around the late 1980s imports and independent publishers became trendier. I think it was the Cerberus guy who might have really lead the way in that.
Time flies
>> No. 31956 [Edit]
>>31950
That was an interesting read. In fact, I remember talking to a guy from Germany in a comment section recently, and he told me that anime was not trendy over there. People over there know what it is and accept it as a medium but they choose not to watch it or only watch a few shows. So basically, in Europe, the days of jocks and trendy kids liking anime are over. And that gives me a bit of hope because the same thing will happen here in the states, but the only questions are: when will it happen and what will replace it?
>>31955
Didn't Michael Jackson put clips from Akira in one of his music videos? I know one of his videos had clips from an anime but I can't remember if it was Akira or something else.
>> No. 31957 [Edit]
>>31913
>Precure for example recently had it's very first male precure in the show's 10+ years
but... i want to be a precure. this gives me hope
>> No. 31958 [Edit]
>>31945
>But considering South Korean culture is becoming trendy
Besides KPop and maybe a KBBQ/Kimchi apologist, Korean culture was never on the same level as the wapanese wave of the 2000s got to be. Considering KPop's popularity peaked in 2012, I seriously doubt anything is happening and you just want to sulk in your doom and gloom. It's pretty sad that your interest in media reflect only if people like it, disliking popular things doesnt make you intelligent, it doesnt make you have nuanced opinions, and it doesnt make you cool. It just makes you a contrarian that hates anything people enjoy.
>> No. 31959 [Edit]
What do people even miss about the last decade or two in the western anime fandom?
>> No. 31960 [Edit]
>>31849
>I try to avoid places where I see this kind of thing.
Honestly just avoiding twitter, discord and 4chan can pretty much shut this out of your life.
>unlike normans you can't just avoid them by not going to super-mainstream sites. There aren't many places you can really get away from them.
This isn't true, any forum that isn't MAL or Reddit doesn't have them and very small imageboards don't have them either, you just need patient because they're instant gratification shitposters.

I really don't think westerners are out to destroy anime or anything like that, like this thread has said, the people pandering to westerners always were garbage. Studio DEEN comes to mind and a bunch of shitty quality tie-in stuff, anime was always a coldly decided marketing arm and gathering as much mass appeal as possible and making as much money in the process was always the name of the game. Learn japanese and you won't have to worry the fanbase, and you'll see that anime was always like this.
Or read manga, which is what anime ended up being a commercial for anyway.
>> No. 31961 [Edit]
>>31959
I miss being able to easily (compared to now) meet like minded authentic otaku and nerds. Now that normalfags made anime fashionable, every english speaking community related to the stuff is over run with ironic pretenders. I hate it. I hate it! Used to be if someone was into this stuff chances were they had an honest passion for it. It was so cut and dry, if they watched anything that wasn't aired on nation wide TV you knew they were for real, Not anymore, not now that Cruncyroll and Netflix give 10 year olds have easy access to everything out there. Now kids treat anime like some sort of meme farm. I hate it, I hate what's become of the anime fandom.

Post edited on 25th Jan 2019, 7:36pm
>> No. 31962 [Edit]
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>>31961
You could always learn Japanese to find an ernest crowd, if you don't need instant gratification (which you probably don't considering you post here) you could look to western forums or microscopic imageboards and become friends with the posters there.
>> No. 31963 [Edit]
I find it ironic people suggest this given how much people used to hate it but AnimeSuki is still pretty old-school in it's discussion, even if it's pretty deserted. People even still have active blogs and old-school signatures there, it's bizarre.
>> No. 31964 [Edit]
>>31961
I know how you feel, the other day I was so desperate I (stupidly) tried the MAL forums, it was just sanitized 4chan memes (the one making of people 30+, fucking wojaks) it was depressing. Sometimes it feels like there's no place to get away from these people. I particularly dislike how people feel the need to shoehorn nationality/general identity politics into it. I only really see this on Nyaa.si (which is a public tracker used by casuals and retards anyway, much moreso those who leave comments), but it rubs me the wrong way and I can't watch anime for a while after interacting with those people.
>> No. 31965 [Edit]
>>31964
I tried out MAL forums thinking "At least they keep up with what's current, how bad can they be?" Boy was I in for a surprise...
>> No. 31966 [Edit]
Is this thread just tohno feeling sad that they’re not young anymore
>> No. 31967 [Edit]
>>31966
I think it is more about feeling sad that one hobby that many have pursued for much of their lives isn't being taken seriously by many, and there are fewer places where people do.

Post edited on 26th Jan 2019, 12:33am
>> No. 31968 [Edit]
>>31967
I think what he means to say is I'm samefagging the hell out of this thread. Not that it's any secret I've made a few posts in it. But yeah no it's like you said, and it does suck.
>> No. 31971 [Edit]
You must convince yourselves that the war is not lost.
>> No. 31972 [Edit]
>>31958
>It's pretty sad that your interest in media reflect only if people like it
That's just the way it is. The larger a fanbase gets, the shittier it becomes (see OP for details).
>It just makes you a contrarian that hates anything people enjoy
Yes.
>>31971
This. Give it a few years and this ironic weeb crap will go away.
>> No. 31973 [Edit]
>>31960
>I really don't think westerners are out to destroy anime or anything like that
It's more a matter that people just want to latch onto what is trendy but at the same time still niche so they feel part of the "in-crowd." So they end up spamming anime memes, and talk about hentai/traps/lolis giving them a chance to feel edgy and have a smug sense of satisfaction. It usually seems to me that if they ever do end up actually watching anything other than shitty youtube meme compilations it'll either be something "ironic" – done only so they have something else to meme about – or something like Jojo/one punch man. The main problem is that it takes only one or two of these people to turn any legitimate discussion of anime into a plaza for shitposts and low-quality drudgery.
>> No. 31974 [Edit]
>>31972
First: OP’s image was literally to shame fans of things he doesn’t like off of /v/, and was a way “to get weebs off of 4chan”
Second: Why does the (western, especially) fanbase matter to you, like at all? It doesn’t reflect the media at all and often adds little to things that aren’t multiplayer video games, it’s media you’re meant to consume. You’re not watching anime or similar just to talk with others and be part of a “fanbase”, are you?
>> No. 31975 [Edit]
>>31973
I mean I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not 2016 anymore, I really doubt people are like that much anymore. Usually just ignoring anyone who types in all lowercase, is obnoxious about those topics that westerners find provocative, and obviously isn’t sincere will help.
While I’ve been trying to advocate for the western anime fan in this thread, I will have to say that the sincerity is the one thing I really miss about the old internet. Everything is coated in layers of irony and sarcasm to bully people they disagree with or dislike or to be immune to criticism, I’m so sick of it and I’m hoping the next decade won’t be like this.
>> No. 31976 [Edit]
>>31975
>I’m so sick of it and I’m hoping the next decade won’t be like this
I've heard some people say that we will reach a decade of hyper seriousness after this irony fad dies out. I'm not sure if that will happen but it won't surprise me honestly. Normalfags seem to like to binge and obsess over one thing and when they get sick of it, they move on to something else.
>> No. 32012 [Edit]
This thread was an interesting read, but I really don’t think anime will change in any significant way that it wouldn’t have since japs see westerners as pirates and such. I also don’t think any political stuff matters since it hardly reflects on the source material (although it is annoying to see topics like that creep into discussion, nationality is a big one I’ve been seeing) which has been corporate and soulless for a large part of its existence, again like the other poster said: learn Japanese. Watch more anime if you think gay characters are “lgbt sjw” type situation. The more I see the common sentiment about the western anime fandom being lousy, I really just think you grew up. I bet your older, jaded self would’ve seen the donger stuff, typing like a retard and the popular shit at the time very vapid and “normalfaggy”.
That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything, you can’t read any doujinshi with a huge ass in it without 1000 retards spamming “thicc” for example. I really wish that’d stop, and people would come up with original jokes for once in their lives and stop treating the internet like 4chan, and thinking that referencing that website makes them cool. (I find how people greentext, for example, disgusting).
>> No. 32013 [Edit]
>>32012
>That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything, you can’t read any doujinshi with a huge ass in it without 1000 retards spamming “thicc” for example. I really wish that’d stop, and people would come up with original jokes for once in their lives and stop treating the internet like 4chan, and thinking that referencing that website makes them cool. (I find how people greentext, for example, disgusting).

I've taken to blocking comment fields in Horrible subs and the like because of this, that and the over sexualisation of everything, half the comments seem to be thing like 'dood I wish x character would ********** me', I don't get what is meant to be gained by making such a vulgar post in the first place.
>> No. 32014 [Edit]
What has irritated me, is that there are people on youtube with anime profile pics or screen names written in Kanji that will frequently, to the point of obsession, comment on "Weeaboo cringe comps", and sometimes make their own, almost as if to say "I like anime but I'm not one of THOSE people XDDD". It's so fucking irritating.
>>32012
>That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything
See, I wouldn't mind it if these people were kids or preteens, because kids have always been annoying shits. What baffles me is that most of these people are in their early to mid twenties. If you are that old and you still think this "dank meme" crap is funny or cool, then (and I don't usually say this) you need to grow up.
>> No. 32017 [Edit]
>>32014
Ironically, I think a lot of the people who are complaining about it have grown up while others haven’t even if their interests can be construed as fairly infantile! I also think a lot of it is really young people, but you’re right in that it’s a lot of young adults that really need to grow up.
>> No. 32018 [Edit]
>>32012
>I bet your older, jaded self would’ve seen the donger stuff, typing like a retard and the popular shit at the time very vapid and “normalfaggy”.

I wouldn't if the goddamn normals didn't ruin everything by dragging it out of places where it rightfully belonged.
It sure used to be 'funny and cool' to me. Still would be if it wasn't brought into the mainstream, ran into the ground, forced and done to death multiple times over by them.
Oh how I hate the normalfags.
>> No. 32019 [Edit]
>>32018
I really don’t think japanese style dongers or typing like a moronic wap ever got “mainstream”.
>> No. 32020 [Edit]
>>32018
This. You know, now that I think about it, the bitching I have done about ironic weebs is less me bitching about them as people, and more so bitching that it has become mainstream and that they have overtaken the anime community. In fact, I used to be somewhat of an ironic weeb before it became mainstream. I would shitpost anime memes and make jokes about hentai and dakis quite a bit. The only difference is, I actually enjoyed anime unironically.
>> No. 32021 [Edit]
>>32020
So what you're saying it that it bothers you when other behave the way you once behaved yourself?
>> No. 32022 [Edit]
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I still don't get what an "ironic weeb" is. What's that supposed to mean? I mean, the word "weeb" has almost completely lost its meaning due to people misusing the term. The term weeb is short for "weeaboo", which in turn used to be a wordfilter of the term "wapanese" until people started misconstruing it as someone who just likes anime.

Anyway, I think that image is trying to describe people who like mainstream things as just about everything listed here is mainstream Internet-wise. Not as mainstream as One Piece or My Hero Academia, but you get the idea. I don't really mind people who only like the things in the image unless they're annoying, which, let's face it, many of them are; I'm not an elitist. I only dislike fake fans, whom I think the image is describing?

Post edited on 20th Feb 2019, 2:55am
>> No. 32023 [Edit]
>>32022
You described what an ironic weeb is in your first paragraph. And yes, as others have pointed out the image is largely incorrect.
>> No. 32066 [Edit]
>>32021
Kind of. As the other guy I said, I used to think it was funny and cool until normalfags brought it into the mainstream.
Also I should mention that although I would make ironic weeb jokes, whenever there was a genuine conversation about anime online, I would shut the fuck up and actually talk about the anime. I think that just goes to show that a lot of modern day "ironic weebs" don't actually like anime or only enjoy it on a surface level (or, as the name suggests, they enjoy it ironically).
Even though I was kind of an annoying shit, I was a genuine anime fan that genuinely shed a tear while watching "The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya". All of these "ironic weebs" are just teenage posers that like the way a Naruto headband looks on them.
>> No. 32081 [Edit]
All I want to know is why ironic weeb types type in all lowercase, I've been visiting another NEET imageboard and most posts are written in all lowercase. Why?
>> No. 32082 [Edit]
>>32081
I don't think that's anything particular to ironic weebs. It's probably moreso a combination of people being lazy and treating imageboards as some sort of chat room so less care is given.
>> No. 32083 [Edit]
>>32081
Instant messaging and phoneposting.
>> No. 32084 [Edit]
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This site is dead boring and generates practically no otaku content of it's own, but when the topic of fake otaku comes up then suddenly its
>87 posts and 5 images omitted.
all about how everyone else is a total poser and noncontributor

pathetic
this kind of shit would be annoying, but you losers are so laughably far up your own assholes and resplendent in your delusional grandeur that it takes a comical absurdity

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>> No. 32085 [Edit]
>>32084
>87 posts
Over almost six months. Keep in mind this place is populated in a significant amount by particularly bitter members of the anime fandom who have nostalgic feelings towards the time where the hobby felt more "underground".
>> No. 32086 [Edit]
>>32084
Have you actually read the thread? most people don't agree with this bait image. Also, >>32085
>> No. 32087 [Edit]
>>31975
>lack of sincerity
Some of us are still sincere. Some of us aren't trying to win points on the internet or be "ironic" in some way. So chin up I guess?
>> No. 32199 [Edit]
>>32081
Because trendy teenagers are known for typing like retards. See if you can find any teenage colloquialisms while you are at it and report back to us.
>> No. 32200 [Edit]
>>32199
oof u dont now the half of it fam smh
>> No. 32227 [Edit]
>>32200
They've regressed to the point where they all unironically communicate like bix nood.
>> No. 32237 [Edit]
>>32085
>nostalgic feelings towards the time where the hobby felt more "underground"
I don't really care about it being underground. I just hate posers that use anime (or anything for that matter) as a mere fashion statement without even taking the source material seriously. I can guarantee you that in a few years, these ironic weebs will get bored and find something else to ruin. Hell, the reason why this is becoming a trend is because they are getting bored with superhero movies and video games after they ruined them and are moving on to anime. Normalfags don't take anything seriously and will merely jump on something to either seem "different" or because said thing became trendy (which in the case of anime, it's both).
>> No. 32238 [Edit]
>>32237
That class of people who will do anything, they don't care what, as long as they feel it reflects positively on them personally, is a very large class of people. It might be everybody, I'm not sure about that yet. One thing I noticed recently thats kind of interesting is that even animals are all posers. They do all sorts of tricky crap to look more intimidating than they really in hopes of frightening off competition by presenting false impressions. Noticing this had me wondering if poser behavior might be a very fundamental, ingrained part of the brain if even a dumb animal's first instinct is to be a bullshit artist.
>> No. 32239 [Edit]
>>32238
That's an interesting thought. I've thought about the differences between animals and humans for quite some time now, and find the parallels really fascinating. Especially the ones found in social behaviour. It's sometimes scary how similar we really are.
>> No. 32240 [Edit]
>>32239
It's not really too much of a surprise when it comes to social order/packs: those traits like going with the crowd and posturing to be "alpha" were likely to be conserved due to the advantages they give.
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