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31756 No. 31756 [Edit]
What are your thoughts on the rising number of "ironic weebs" and the increasing popularity and acceptance of otaku media & materials in the west's mainstream?
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>> No. 31865 [Edit]
>>31864
Finally someone gets it. They are coming for anime, and they won't quit until anime is destroyed. It's best if we're quick to remember the good quality anime that exists now, before they're stomped all over and forgotten about.
>> No. 31866 [Edit]
>>31865
>and they won't quit until anime is destroyed
They don't want to destroy anime because that implies they want it gone; their point of view is "positive" and they're doing what they think is right, which is the actual problem. If their goals were so transparently "evil", they'd be incredibly easy to rally people against and stop them, but because they come with "positive change" (purposeful or machiavellian) a lot of people in the target industry has a hard time picking a side until it's way too late.

It's why people in the west that nowadays are unironically claiming anime needs more diverse racial representation and to ditch outdated perspectives like "overt sexualization", do it from a place of righteous indignation, and someone who thinks is 100% right is not going to stop in their crusade. Then the people on top use these ideological pawns as an excuse to make changes that they deem will get them more profit, without interest about the ramifications. I personally saw it over the years with comic books and it takes very little effort to find all the proof it's needed to realize it's happening right now to the videogame industry. They're slowly and steady doing it to anime too.
>> No. 31867 [Edit]
>>31866
That's exactly what I mean. It's depressing.
>> No. 31868 [Edit]
I used to think anime was safe from being corrupted by western barbarians, but Hollywood has proven in recent years that the ocean, different languages, and different cultures wont stop this. They saw there's money to be made by pandering to Chinese audiences, even if it means alienating American viewers. For the time being the general consensus is that anime is for the Japanese first and foremost, but how long can they hold out before temptation has them give in to the potential for larger profits?
>> No. 31869 [Edit]
>>31868
I believe that it won't happen unless one of the companies establishes a Western branch. That's when things start to go awry, because suddenly they have to please foreign investors. In a worst case scenario the foreign branch could become the main HQ like Sony. In any case, establishing a foreign branch will be the big red flag.
>> No. 31884 [Edit]
>>31756
Looking at that picture makes me feel tired.
>> No. 31892 [Edit]
Some watch only popular anime even if they don't like it, that doesn't affect you — just watch whatever you like if you enjoy the media for what it is
>> No. 31912 [Edit]
>What are your thoughts on the rising number of "ironic weebs"
They are irritating as hell but I try to ignore them.
>and the increasing popularity and acceptance of otaku media & materials in the west's mainstream?
That's a problem. Soon it will be associated with "nerd culture" and western companies will have an influence on what is acceptable and what isn't. The west is already having a bit of an influence on this: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-12-06/senran-kagura-producer-weve-stopped-putting-in-sexual-content-with-no-narrative-reason/.140409. Granted, that change isn't major but it is the beginning of a slippery slope. There is also some nigger (I can't remember his name nor do I care) that has begun making his own manga series full of "diverse" characters. I really hope Japan sticks to their guns and doesn't get cucked by the western jew. Considering they refused to fire Yaginuma Kazuyoshi even after he made all of those anti semitic tweets, I'd say anime is fine for now.
>> No. 31913 [Edit]
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>>31912
>it is the beginning of a slippery slope.
It really is. Lately Sony (a Japanese company) has been gaining a reputation for censoring a crap ton of content on the game console side of thing, including the latest senran-kagura game. They've even started censoring pantsu shots such as in a recent Neptuina game. This from a console line that used to be the king of Japanese games and was home to a massive line up of eroge.

>There is also some nigger (I can't remember his name nor do I care) that has begun making his own manga series full of "diverse" characters
Do you mean Neo Yokio, from Jaden Smith?
For what it's worth, that's been critically panned to hell and back (Although that didn't stop them from pushing forward with a squeal). I doubt the Japanese are going to look at garbage like that and try to mimic it any time soon.
I think Devil man crybaby is more of a concern. In it netflix went and scouted people from the industry and paid them off to make degenerate western style trash. It wasn't as simple as a crappy cartoon mimicking the style of anime like Neo Yokio. Likewise you have the recent FLCL where a known IP was resurrected and made with a focus on western audiences with the English dub version being the only way to watch it when it aired. Voltron is another one.

What's got me really concerned is that I've been noticing lately more political sjw lgbt garbage creeping it's way into Japanese made anime. Precure for example recently had it's very first male precure in the show's 10+ years, and the guy is a creepy as hell homosexual drag queen. You can imagine the kind of reception this got from tumbler grade nutjobs across the net.
I think these companies don't seem to understand what a vocal minority is, and they're pushing this garbage onto the masses because they think this is what people want. I wish they could wake up and realize what they're doing is wrong, because at this rate they're only adding to the problem and brainwashing innocent common folk into believing this is how the world is now and this lgbt shit is somehow normal. I swear to god the world would be a much better place if the city of Portland was banned from the internet.
>> No. 31914 [Edit]
>>31913
>Lately Sony (a Japanese company) has been gaining a reputation for censoring a crap ton of content on the game console side of thing, including the latest senran-kagura game. They've even started censoring pantsu shots such as in a recent Neptuina game.
That's mainly because Sony has moved their headquarters from Japan to the US (I'm sure I don't have to tell you this but whatever). Nintendo made the same mistake a while back and when they saw the problem, they moved their headquarters back to Japan, so I'm sure Sony will do the same. Is this blind optimism? Probably, but I just don't see this lasting long.
>Do you mean Neo Yokio, from Jaden Smith?
No, in fact I had no idea that existed. I'm talking about an actual Black American working as an illustrator for an anime and manga series.
>Devil man crybaby is more of a concern. In it netflix went and scouted people from the industry and paid them off to make degenerate western style trash.
So that's why it looked like shit. So Netflix had that much of an influence? That's scary.
>Likewise you have the recent FLCL where a known IP was resurrected and made with a focus on western audiences with the English dub version being the only way to watch it when it aired.
Same thing happened with Space Dandy, and that was before anime got as popular as it is now.
>Precure for example recently had it's very first male precure in the show's 10+ years
I'm not really sure how to feel about that. One of the newest Magical Girl series had a cross dresser in it and no one seemed to mind. Then again, he was put in for comic relief so I don't know.
>I swear to god the world would be a much better place if the city of Portland was banned from the internet.
Why stop there? Ban the entire state of California as well. They've also been wanting to succeed from the Union so I say let them do it. Give them their own internet that is just one big echo chamber, and let them enact all of their "progressive" policies. It will be fun to watch that state implode after about a decade.

Sorry for longposting but I just feel you had a lot of interesting shit to say and I wanted to reply to most of it.
>> No. 31915 [Edit]
>>31913
Oh and one more thing I wanted to say. One thing I am both excited and nervous about is when these normalfags find out about Akihabara, where there are shops in there that will shamelessly display (censored) lolicon hentai on shelves. It will be quite the battle because I just don't see Japan caving in and saying "okay, we'll take it down if you don't like it ". Hell, Akihabara might save us because when normalfags find out about it, they may just go back to calling anime fans "creeps" and avoiding the medium altogether. One can only hope.
>> No. 31916 [Edit]
>>31914
>I'm sure Sony will do the same. Is this blind optimism? Probably, but I just don't see this lasting long.
Oh I'm sure they will. People are -PISSED OFF- about this. I'm certain it wont take long before Sony realizes they're butchering these games to appease a group of people who would not and will not buy the games in question anyway, this while at the same time alienating the fans who actually do buy and support those games. Maybe they were too retarded to leave well enough alone, but once their numbers start going red, they'll change their strategy for sure. At the end of the day, their bottom line speaks much louder than some fat pan-sexual furfags on tumbler. These companies are being forced to learn the hard way that pandering to SJWs does not pay. Just like when Hollywood was stupid enough to think people wanted a feminist version of Ghost Busters and thanks to empty theaters they ended up paying for their mistake and canceled the squeal. Stay optimistic anon, the internet gave a voice to these nut jobs but their influence wont last. Trust me, regardless of what the media tells you, real people (not sub human tumbler trash) don't want any of this bullshit.
>> No. 31917 [Edit]
>>31913
What's so western about devilman crybaby? I don't think it was a very good adaptation despite the talent they got on board for it, but I don't see how it's particularly western in style.
>> No. 31945 [Edit]
>>31912
>>31913
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/01/sao-will-become-more-politically-correct-due-to-western-reactions-says-kawahara/75563/
Yeah, the good old days are over. Not only is anime no longer a niche medium but now SJWs are influencing it. Yes, SAO is trash but you have to realize that this will soon affect ALL anime and this is merely just a stepping stone. So where do we go next? I've recently been watching some Korean anime and it's not too bad. But considering South Korean culture is becoming trendy, I'm sure it won't be long before that gets ruined as well.
>> No. 31946 [Edit]
>>31945
>we
Go ahead and trendjump somewhere else if you like.
>> No. 31947 [Edit]
>>31945
>now SJWs are influencing it
First question: Which of these statements do you find repulsive and/or unagreeable?
>"I tend to think that it’s a distortion to treat the heroine like some sort of trophy."
>"Recently, I’ve made a deliberately conscious decision to write the young females actively participating more in the story."
>"For the young girls, I want to give them the strength to take hold of their own lives."
Second question: The article you linked says
>one would wonder how Sword Art Online would evolve organically? Or, in his own words “unconsciously”
However, he was not forced or coerced to change Sword Art Online. After all, he responds first and foremost to the Japanese publishing companies and editors, not the Western ones - there are no "SJWs", as you call them, in his chain of command; there is no danger to him were he to refuse implementing those elements. In other words, by this article, this "organic" or "unconscious" development can only happen if the writer lives in a vacuum completely separated from what other people think or believe - but what can this create, other than repeating the same tropes and cliches? It's one situation where someone gets fired for not agreeing with a certain political belief; it's another when a creator makes an independent choice based on discussion with people who share different beliefs.
>> No. 31948 [Edit]
Well, I didn't expect to get replies this fast. This place used to be rather slow.
>>31947
From my understanding, he visited a convention in the US and was approached by a few of these leftist types who told him he needed to change things about the show. This in turn influenced him because he thought that this is what the west wanted. I suppose this just proves more so that Reki is a fag and less that SJWs are infiltrating anime, but it's still irritating.
>>31946
I suppose I am a bit of a hipster. I just don't like being associated with large fanbases, especially when those fanbases have become infiltrated by trendy teenage hypebeasts (like the anime community is now). In about a decade or so, when anime becomes niche again, I'll come back to it; but for now, I am watching a lot of old anime and rewatching series I used to enjoy.
>> No. 31949 [Edit]
>>31948
>this is what the west wanted
When your royalty checks come from Japan? I think this is more of an "I never thought about it this way because I didn't consider this particular perspective" situation.
I'm really sad that every creative decision authors make seems to be read in this political way nowadays - is it really wrong if a creator asks an activist for their perspective, or an activist approaches the writer about their view? As long as it doesn't devolve into witchhunts and threats, I see nothing wrong with people sharing their diverse outlook on things. Even if the activists' motives in sharing their message can be ideological in nature, the creative worker's decision may well just be a matter of them considering something they hadn't before.
>> No. 31950 [Edit]
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>>31948
>especially when those fanbases have become infiltrated by trendy teenage hypebeasts
Keep in mind the anglosphere is late to this trend compared to non-English Europe and other parts of the world.
>> No. 31951 [Edit]
>>31950
That comment is most likely from the United States, as evident by ordering from Right Stuf in 1996. But Sailor Moon was, indeed, a big craze in this part of Europe at least. It more or less kicked off the entire manga/anime fandom.
>> No. 31955 [Edit]
>>31951
I lived in the states back then. It was Akira that got everyone to take japanese animation seriously. Before Akira the comic cons were mainly Marvel/DC affairs and if you saw anything Japanese it was likely Godzilla merchandise, but around the late 1980s imports and independent publishers became trendier. I think it was the Cerberus guy who might have really lead the way in that.
Time flies
>> No. 31956 [Edit]
>>31950
That was an interesting read. In fact, I remember talking to a guy from Germany in a comment section recently, and he told me that anime was not trendy over there. People over there know what it is and accept it as a medium but they choose not to watch it or only watch a few shows. So basically, in Europe, the days of jocks and trendy kids liking anime are over. And that gives me a bit of hope because the same thing will happen here in the states, but the only questions are: when will it happen and what will replace it?
>>31955
Didn't Michael Jackson put clips from Akira in one of his music videos? I know one of his videos had clips from an anime but I can't remember if it was Akira or something else.
>> No. 31957 [Edit]
>>31913
>Precure for example recently had it's very first male precure in the show's 10+ years
but... i want to be a precure. this gives me hope
>> No. 31958 [Edit]
>>31945
>But considering South Korean culture is becoming trendy
Besides KPop and maybe a KBBQ/Kimchi apologist, Korean culture was never on the same level as the wapanese wave of the 2000s got to be. Considering KPop's popularity peaked in 2012, I seriously doubt anything is happening and you just want to sulk in your doom and gloom. It's pretty sad that your interest in media reflect only if people like it, disliking popular things doesnt make you intelligent, it doesnt make you have nuanced opinions, and it doesnt make you cool. It just makes you a contrarian that hates anything people enjoy.
>> No. 31959 [Edit]
What do people even miss about the last decade or two in the western anime fandom?
>> No. 31960 [Edit]
>>31849
>I try to avoid places where I see this kind of thing.
Honestly just avoiding twitter, discord and 4chan can pretty much shut this out of your life.
>unlike normans you can't just avoid them by not going to super-mainstream sites. There aren't many places you can really get away from them.
This isn't true, any forum that isn't MAL or Reddit doesn't have them and very small imageboards don't have them either, you just need patient because they're instant gratification shitposters.

I really don't think westerners are out to destroy anime or anything like that, like this thread has said, the people pandering to westerners always were garbage. Studio DEEN comes to mind and a bunch of shitty quality tie-in stuff, anime was always a coldly decided marketing arm and gathering as much mass appeal as possible and making as much money in the process was always the name of the game. Learn japanese and you won't have to worry the fanbase, and you'll see that anime was always like this.
Or read manga, which is what anime ended up being a commercial for anyway.
>> No. 31961 [Edit]
>>31959
I miss being able to easily (compared to now) meet like minded authentic otaku and nerds. Now that normalfags made anime fashionable, every english speaking community related to the stuff is over run with ironic pretenders. I hate it. I hate it! Used to be if someone was into this stuff chances were they had an honest passion for it. It was so cut and dry, if they watched anything that wasn't aired on nation wide TV you knew they were for real, Not anymore, not now that Cruncyroll and Netflix give 10 year olds have easy access to everything out there. Now kids treat anime like some sort of meme farm. I hate it, I hate what's become of the anime fandom.

Post edited on 25th Jan 2019, 7:36pm
>> No. 31962 [Edit]
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>>31961
You could always learn Japanese to find an ernest crowd, if you don't need instant gratification (which you probably don't considering you post here) you could look to western forums or microscopic imageboards and become friends with the posters there.
>> No. 31963 [Edit]
I find it ironic people suggest this given how much people used to hate it but AnimeSuki is still pretty old-school in it's discussion, even if it's pretty deserted. People even still have active blogs and old-school signatures there, it's bizarre.
>> No. 31964 [Edit]
>>31961
I know how you feel, the other day I was so desperate I (stupidly) tried the MAL forums, it was just sanitized 4chan memes (the one making of people 30+, fucking wojaks) it was depressing. Sometimes it feels like there's no place to get away from these people. I particularly dislike how people feel the need to shoehorn nationality/general identity politics into it. I only really see this on Nyaa.si (which is a public tracker used by casuals and retards anyway, much moreso those who leave comments), but it rubs me the wrong way and I can't watch anime for a while after interacting with those people.
>> No. 31965 [Edit]
>>31964
I tried out MAL forums thinking "At least they keep up with what's current, how bad can they be?" Boy was I in for a surprise...
>> No. 31966 [Edit]
Is this thread just tohno feeling sad that they’re not young anymore
>> No. 31967 [Edit]
>>31966
I think it is more about feeling sad that one hobby that many have pursued for much of their lives isn't being taken seriously by many, and there are fewer places where people do.

Post edited on 26th Jan 2019, 12:33am
>> No. 31968 [Edit]
>>31967
I think what he means to say is I'm samefagging the hell out of this thread. Not that it's any secret I've made a few posts in it. But yeah no it's like you said, and it does suck.
>> No. 31971 [Edit]
You must convince yourselves that the war is not lost.
>> No. 31972 [Edit]
>>31958
>It's pretty sad that your interest in media reflect only if people like it
That's just the way it is. The larger a fanbase gets, the shittier it becomes (see OP for details).
>It just makes you a contrarian that hates anything people enjoy
Yes.
>>31971
This. Give it a few years and this ironic weeb crap will go away.
>> No. 31973 [Edit]
>>31960
>I really don't think westerners are out to destroy anime or anything like that
It's more a matter that people just want to latch onto what is trendy but at the same time still niche so they feel part of the "in-crowd." So they end up spamming anime memes, and talk about hentai/traps/lolis giving them a chance to feel edgy and have a smug sense of satisfaction. It usually seems to me that if they ever do end up actually watching anything other than shitty youtube meme compilations it'll either be something "ironic" – done only so they have something else to meme about – or something like Jojo/one punch man. The main problem is that it takes only one or two of these people to turn any legitimate discussion of anime into a plaza for shitposts and low-quality drudgery.
>> No. 31974 [Edit]
>>31972
First: OP’s image was literally to shame fans of things he doesn’t like off of /v/, and was a way “to get weebs off of 4chan”
Second: Why does the (western, especially) fanbase matter to you, like at all? It doesn’t reflect the media at all and often adds little to things that aren’t multiplayer video games, it’s media you’re meant to consume. You’re not watching anime or similar just to talk with others and be part of a “fanbase”, are you?
>> No. 31975 [Edit]
>>31973
I mean I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not 2016 anymore, I really doubt people are like that much anymore. Usually just ignoring anyone who types in all lowercase, is obnoxious about those topics that westerners find provocative, and obviously isn’t sincere will help.
While I’ve been trying to advocate for the western anime fan in this thread, I will have to say that the sincerity is the one thing I really miss about the old internet. Everything is coated in layers of irony and sarcasm to bully people they disagree with or dislike or to be immune to criticism, I’m so sick of it and I’m hoping the next decade won’t be like this.
>> No. 31976 [Edit]
>>31975
>I’m so sick of it and I’m hoping the next decade won’t be like this
I've heard some people say that we will reach a decade of hyper seriousness after this irony fad dies out. I'm not sure if that will happen but it won't surprise me honestly. Normalfags seem to like to binge and obsess over one thing and when they get sick of it, they move on to something else.
>> No. 32012 [Edit]
This thread was an interesting read, but I really don’t think anime will change in any significant way that it wouldn’t have since japs see westerners as pirates and such. I also don’t think any political stuff matters since it hardly reflects on the source material (although it is annoying to see topics like that creep into discussion, nationality is a big one I’ve been seeing) which has been corporate and soulless for a large part of its existence, again like the other poster said: learn Japanese. Watch more anime if you think gay characters are “lgbt sjw” type situation. The more I see the common sentiment about the western anime fandom being lousy, I really just think you grew up. I bet your older, jaded self would’ve seen the donger stuff, typing like a retard and the popular shit at the time very vapid and “normalfaggy”.
That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything, you can’t read any doujinshi with a huge ass in it without 1000 retards spamming “thicc” for example. I really wish that’d stop, and people would come up with original jokes for once in their lives and stop treating the internet like 4chan, and thinking that referencing that website makes them cool. (I find how people greentext, for example, disgusting).
>> No. 32013 [Edit]
>>32012
>That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything, you can’t read any doujinshi with a huge ass in it without 1000 retards spamming “thicc” for example. I really wish that’d stop, and people would come up with original jokes for once in their lives and stop treating the internet like 4chan, and thinking that referencing that website makes them cool. (I find how people greentext, for example, disgusting).

I've taken to blocking comment fields in Horrible subs and the like because of this, that and the over sexualisation of everything, half the comments seem to be thing like 'dood I wish x character would ********** me', I don't get what is meant to be gained by making such a vulgar post in the first place.
>> No. 32014 [Edit]
What has irritated me, is that there are people on youtube with anime profile pics or screen names written in Kanji that will frequently, to the point of obsession, comment on "Weeaboo cringe comps", and sometimes make their own, almost as if to say "I like anime but I'm not one of THOSE people XDDD". It's so fucking irritating.
>>32012
>That being said, I do dislike memes seeping into everything
See, I wouldn't mind it if these people were kids or preteens, because kids have always been annoying shits. What baffles me is that most of these people are in their early to mid twenties. If you are that old and you still think this "dank meme" crap is funny or cool, then (and I don't usually say this) you need to grow up.
>> No. 32017 [Edit]
>>32014
Ironically, I think a lot of the people who are complaining about it have grown up while others haven’t even if their interests can be construed as fairly infantile! I also think a lot of it is really young people, but you’re right in that it’s a lot of young adults that really need to grow up.
>> No. 32018 [Edit]
>>32012
>I bet your older, jaded self would’ve seen the donger stuff, typing like a retard and the popular shit at the time very vapid and “normalfaggy”.

I wouldn't if the goddamn normals didn't ruin everything by dragging it out of places where it rightfully belonged.
It sure used to be 'funny and cool' to me. Still would be if it wasn't brought into the mainstream, ran into the ground, forced and done to death multiple times over by them.
Oh how I hate the normalfags.
>> No. 32019 [Edit]
>>32018
I really don’t think japanese style dongers or typing like a moronic wap ever got “mainstream”.
>> No. 32020 [Edit]
>>32018
This. You know, now that I think about it, the bitching I have done about ironic weebs is less me bitching about them as people, and more so bitching that it has become mainstream and that they have overtaken the anime community. In fact, I used to be somewhat of an ironic weeb before it became mainstream. I would shitpost anime memes and make jokes about hentai and dakis quite a bit. The only difference is, I actually enjoyed anime unironically.
>> No. 32021 [Edit]
>>32020
So what you're saying it that it bothers you when other behave the way you once behaved yourself?
>> No. 32022 [Edit]
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I still don't get what an "ironic weeb" is. What's that supposed to mean? I mean, the word "weeb" has almost completely lost its meaning due to people misusing the term. The term weeb is short for "weeaboo", which in turn used to be a wordfilter of the term "wapanese" until people started misconstruing it as someone who just likes anime.

Anyway, I think that image is trying to describe people who like mainstream things as just about everything listed here is mainstream Internet-wise. Not as mainstream as One Piece or My Hero Academia, but you get the idea. I don't really mind people who only like the things in the image unless they're annoying, which, let's face it, many of them are; I'm not an elitist. I only dislike fake fans, whom I think the image is describing?

Post edited on 20th Feb 2019, 2:55am
>> No. 32023 [Edit]
>>32022
You described what an ironic weeb is in your first paragraph. And yes, as others have pointed out the image is largely incorrect.
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