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1379 No. 1379 [Edit]

I have a question about rules. There are many exact and strict rules such not posting 3DPD, talking about friends, girls etc. and I understand why those rules exist. I am just intrested, where goes the line of 'normal faggorty' that is allowed on this site? Talking about work/school? Sports/exercise/working out? Family? Etc. I understand that many of those subjects might be situtational and it might be hard draw the line. I just want that users and moderators could share some opinions so I can fit myself into community much better and not hurt anyone's feelings. Thank you.
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>> No. 1380 [Edit]
they're all things that are ok to talk about. i don't think many people are interested in sports and more people seem to be in college than working
>> No. 1381 [Edit]
I personally think anything is welcome as long as you know your boundaries and you aren't trying to push your idea of (anything) onto other people. Furthermore, you should acknowledge the type of people that frequent this site and change your posts accordingly. Not many people may mind your pointless chitchat, but it's a bit more interesting to post things you feel people can relate to.
>> No. 1385 [Edit]
If it isn't forbidden by the rules it's allowed, simple as that. Just don't be surprised when you won't get (m)any replies if you start a thread about some sport or something (I personally follow some but I wouldn't want to talk about them on /tc/).
>> No. 1386 [Edit]
A lot of things exist in a grey area where they're technically allowed, but trying to talk about them will just get people exclaiming "I can't believe anyone on /tc/ would ever XYZ!"

It's just part of the culture of the site; there's a narrow common ground here that we generally prefer to stick to.
>> No. 1387 [Edit]
It's a really hard thing to define. For example, there's sort of an unspoken "no 3D stuff" rule, yet there's a game of thrones thread that has been here a while without incident. Just use your best judgement and if something gets deleted don't flip out over it like some people tend to do.
>> No. 1388 [Edit]
Although you're right, I imagine most people didn't have a clue what a game of thrones was since many of us don't watch western tv and just thought it was some book or videogame.
If the op image had 3dpd in it, things probably would have gone differently.
>> No. 1389 [Edit]
Thats right. Use your own judgement as to whether something crosses the line. If a mod deletes it, it means he thinks it does so don't flip your shit over it.
>> No. 1394 [Edit]
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Recently someone posted about how they occassionally watch 3d porn, but feel guilty about it in /so/, but the thread was deleted. Personally I feel like this is an over step in mod power. The poster posted in faith that they would be given advice, similar stories, support, and they were until the thread was deleted. Basically what has been done is "sweeping the issue under the rug," like 2D is some sort of religion, and those that break the rules are forgiven if they never tell anyone about it. It's keeping the issues that tohno's face everyday, hidden and shamed. This is what an oppressive culture does. Love for 2D doesn't need to be like radical islam, it doesn't need to be a hivemind of 3D hate, because there is always enough love to go around, who cares if some of that spills into the 3D realm.

Sure deleting 3D stuff from most boards is justifiable, and probably advisable, but /so/ is about the issues we face, and if it is a 3D issue it should be allowed.

If this counts as "undermining moderation decisions," sorry I don't consider you to be above reproach.

also I didn't think a new thread was needed.
>> No. 1395 [Edit]
A bunch of people reported the thread so I deleted it. What the fuck do you want me to say? I don't give a two shits about this 3D vs 2D shit. I'm not the leader of some cult, just a moderator. Thanks for reproaching my decision, but if you have an issue with the way people treat discussions like that on this board then take it up with them, don't come to /fb/ to give the mods shit.

Post edited on 8th Aug 2011, 10:17pm
>> No. 1396 [Edit]
Relax: this has happened LOOOOOOTS of times in the past; wich is, I think, why Natsume it's already sick of /fb/'s complains and gets easily pissed off (I myself have gave him a couple hard times too).

At the end, most of us just learn to cope with a minimal agreement: the mods are the mods, and so they have the final word on what stays and what not; it might be quite hard sometimes, but those of us who keep on /tc/, do so because we find ways to accomodate our interests in here, each and every time, keeping the flaming as low as possible.
>> No. 1398 [Edit]
talking about that stuff offends me
>> No. 1399 [Edit]
you know it's not just the word of the mods right?
I mean, that's something Natsume was trying to point out, most of the stuff mods delete, they do so because it gets reported crap tons of times.
It's easy to blame one or two people, even if it's a dozen telling them what to do.
>> No. 1400 [Edit]
<but if you have an issue with the way people treat discussions like that on this board then take it up with them

And where exactly do I take it up with them? I start a thread, a few report it, the thread gets deleted. Back to step one.

There were 5-6 replies for that thread, which means there were at least 5-6 people who thought it was worthy to reply, and since replying in and reporting the same thread is illogical, you could say that 5-6 people agree that the thread meet the critera of the board.

So unless more then 5-6 people reported it, the people who reported were in minority. Also excluding the people who saw it, but had nothing to post at them time, who would also be in the classification of "the thread is fine."

tl;dr, if tohno-chan allows what it's users allow, and is somewhat democratic, there is high probability that the mods are not democratic and have a bias towards those who report.

So did 5-6 people report it? If not tohno-chan = tyranny by the minority.
>> No. 1401 [Edit]
calm down
>> No. 1402 [Edit]
>And where exactly do I take it up with them? I start a thread, a few report it, the thread gets deleted. Back to step one.
and what do you want mods to do? we can't exactly pm users and work out problems, short of just 'delete crap' what do you expect? we have no magic 'make everyone happy' button (we used to have one but 60% stole it)

also, people can and do post in threads they dislike.
It's not hard to post something like 'your thread is bad op and I hope you feel bad' then report it.
Thinking about it more... since when do people on any image board ignore threads they don't like? (as they should)
bad threads always get filled with tons of posts calling the thread bad, and a few people hopelessly telling others to ignore the thread.

Post edited on 9th Aug 2011, 12:10am
>> No. 1403 [Edit]
what did you expect from a community that is too uptight to appreciate 3D porn?

My posts get deleted all the time. A post I made on /fig/ saying that SEGA figures suck got deleted. the truth hurts huh.

not sure if this is serious reply but what gives you the right not to be offended? I am annoyed by people who post about downloading scans of licensed manga but I dont report those posts.
>> No. 1404 [Edit]
Everything bothers someone, mods go off of reports, you do the math.

also, I hate to say it, but I agree with you, people here are indeed far to uptight lately.
I know we're trying to distance ourselves from 4chan like culture, but sometimes people really overreact.
reaction images and anything that remotely resembling memes gets half a dozen reports, green text when people are joking and so on.
people need to take it easy a bit.
no one wants to see this place turn into 4chan, but being overprotective will just make it stressful, with everyone contently worrying about posting something that might piss people off get deleted and maybe get them banned.

Post edited on 9th Aug 2011, 12:25am
>> No. 1405 [Edit]
>A bunch of people reported the thread so I deleted it.
I didn't know these bunch of people were the real moderators.

This is the truth. Too many people think scathing remarks and acting like underage shits is the way to keep the place 'clean'.
Yes, spamming 'mfw', reaction images, and green text everywhere can get obnoxious, but there are times and places for them (At least, the greentexting and reaction images)
Deleting threads without warning doesn't help either. If there's an issue, try to stop it or get it to change before just wiping it because "So many people reported it".
>> No. 1406 [Edit]
i think the moderation is fine
>> No. 1408 [Edit]

>So unless more then 5-6 people reported it, the people who reported were in minority.

Yeah, that's a guess. For all you know 200 people might've reported it. Don't try to pull numbers out of your ass as it makes a somewhat valid argument look stupid.

>if tohno-chan allows what it's users allow, and is somewhat democratic

It's not supposed to be democratic. Natsume, I'm gonna 'undermine' your decision right now, sorry about it but I think it needs to be said.

Just because a thread was reported 100 times doesn't mean you need to do anything about it. Again, /tc/ is NOT supposed to be democratic. We have people who are in charge in who none of us chose and if someone isn't fine with them and their decisions he is more than encouraged to get lost. You (as in the site's staff) have no obligation to listen to us. There is a rather clear set of rules and you should only worry whether a thread/post is against the rules or not. Just ignore all the 'I don't like it so I'm gonna report it' reports.

In case of thread in question deleting it is justified as there is a point about 3D porn in the rules. But I've seen thread which don't really violate any rules get deleted, too because other users didn't like it. It's not them who should decide what's allowed and what's not - that's Tohno's job as it's his goddamned site.

To make it easier for the mods we could start naming the point in rules the post/thread supposedly violates. If there is no rule mentioned just ignore the report altogether.
>> No. 1409 [Edit]
the rules only exist as a guideline to make a decent site, not an ends to themselves. they're not the infalliable word of god, they were chosen for a reason.

on 4chan people can communicate almost entirely with memes, reaction images, greentext stories, implying, etc. communicating with memes is alot easier than writing a well thought-out post. I don't have a personal problem with memes, but on a small site like tohno-chan, its quality over quantity. if people were allowed to post like 4chan the quality would degrade very quickly.

the side effect to this rule is people get very antsy and report everything that even looks like a reaction image or meme. the rule is there to make the site a better place, not validate anyones hate for 4chan or anything that comes from it. the same thing can be said for all the rest of the rules, they're only there to try and make the site a better place, not be an infallible law.
>> No. 1410 [Edit]
I stand by my decision to delete the thread. There's absolutely no reason to bring up the topic in /so/. Asking how to ween yourself off of 3D porn, so you can be "more like the rest of us", is the type of thing that perpetuates this "radical 2D religion" thing you keep bringing up. Of course the topic is going to generate snap reactions just because the words '3D porn' were in it, but that's not why it was deleted. And the OP even brought up that "maybe a waifu would help", like a waifu is something that is going to ease your fapping urges. Really? People still gave their advice, and the thread was ok for the first 7 posts. Then someone decided to use the tread as their podium to question people's hate for 3D and start the stupid meta discussion that it turned into.

I thought this was a pretty easy decision, and to be accused of being some radical dictator after deleting a thread like that is really upsetting.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. If we only took the moderator's opinions into account then this site would really be the uptight tyrannical place that you think it is.

>If there's an issue, try to stop it or get it to change before just wiping it because "So many people reported it".

Despite what you've gathered from your narrow point of view, this happens all the time. I know you have a personal bias against me because I changed your greentext story once, but try not to let is cloud your judgment when chastising the moderators for the way they do things.

>You (as in the site's staff) have no obligation to listen to us

That's terrible moderating. I'm not trying to say that I don't take anything other than reports into account when I (or any other mod) delete something. In the end, no one was forcing my hand to hit the delete button. I used my best judgment, taking the site's rules into account, as well as the things that have happened in the past on the board to make my decision.
>> No. 1411 [Edit]

Furthermore, despite everything that has transpired recently, and however heavy the moderation has seemed, Tohno-chan is way better off than it was just a few months ago moderation-wise. I almost don't want to being up the drama and ridiculousness that /so/ and /ot/ were the victims of, but people shouldn't forget the stupid crap that happened in the past. This place used to be a thousand times angrier than it is today. We don't have anymore calls for witchhunts, people going on Ford Driver name-calling sprees, the constant arguing and meta that cluttered /fb/, or any of the major issues that we had before. I honestly think that the tone of the board has gone down and become nicer and more relaxed.

Speaking for myself, I used to dread logging into the management page every day, because it seemed like every day people were starting some war about something and dividing the userbase. The volume of deleted/locked threads and moderator intervention has drastically reduced over the past six months. We asked people to use the report function more often, because it sometimes felt like we were being Nazis or being too strict without actually knowing how many people were upset about a particular issue, and people have been. I really appreciate it, personally. I don't want to say that it has become much "easier" to moderate, but it has definitely become far less stressful.
>> No. 1412 [Edit]
Well I now understand why you made the decision, that helps. I guess I am just butt hurt, because I put a lot of effort into my post, and I was excited when I woke up to see the responses, alas the thread was gone...So I didn't see it spiral into a shit meta-thread... But I have an idea for the future that may stop people(me and people like me) from raging and complaining and etc., posted above somewhere someone said giving the reason for the delete would be a good idea, perhaps this could be done for threads that start strong, but are becoming shitty, via replying and locking the thread?

Also didn't mean to upset.sorry
kakusu and spoiler, because I am too embarrased to apologize in public.
>> No. 1413 [Edit]
No, I got unnecessarily angry too, and made a stupid quick response instead of explaining things. I should be the one apologizing.
>> No. 1414 [Edit]

>In the end, no one was forcing my hand to hit the delete button. I used my best judgment, taking the site's rules into account, as well as the things that have happened in the past on the board to make my decision.

Well that's more or less what I meant. Again, you have no obligation to listen to us. You do your best to keep /tc/ clean and yet I'm sure you already realized that you won't ever hear 'thanks for doing a great job' but you'll have people complaining about you not doing your job/being to anal about it on weekly basis.
>> No. 1415 [Edit]
Personally I want the mods to be as anal as possible.


>too uptight to appreciate 3D porn

See people saying shit like this isn't OK. Getting insulted for not liking shitty 3D porn is something I'd expect from somewhere else, but not here

Post edited on 9th Aug 2011, 11:46am
>> No. 1416 [Edit]
I agree.
I don't know about the other stuff, but if people don't like that we don't like 3D they can cry about it to /r9k/
>> No. 1417 [Edit]
Nobody is insulting anybody for not liking 3d porn, it was stupid to suggest that.

The issue was with the OP foolishly attempting to conform to some idealized standard of the board and fit in by giving up 3d porn despite his liking of it, rather than thinking for himself and making his own decisions. Actively trying to align yourself to the collective mentality of a board is idiotic and inauthentic, and leads to reduced posting variety and quality overall.

While I believe there is no place for 3d on Tohno-chan, I don't think hatred of 3d should be pushed on anyone, and would like to avoid a scenario where others force themselves to give up 3d to fit in and attack others for even thinking about 3d in order to communicate their compatibility with the idealized standard rather than out of a genuine hatred.
>> No. 1418 [Edit]
Why not just lock threads instead of deleting them? No one can post in them anymore, and people can still read the responses they missed.
>> No. 1419 [Edit]
who's forcing 3D hatred on anyone?
if people like 3D they're free to leave the site, we're not forcing them to stay here.
This is clearly a site for 2D lovers, if someone comes here that likes 3D, that's his problem for coming here.
Just as vegetarians that go into a steak house shouldn't expect to be catered to, if they want a salad, there's plenty of other places to go.

although I will admit, if a vegetarian did go to a steakhouse and asked them to cure him of his herbivore ways, they'd probably be a lot more helpful then the guys here.
shoving their big meat down his throat, giving him lots of sausages to taste, stick some weiners in him and so on.
Just as if a guy went to a gay bar asking them to help him go gay, they'd shove their big meat down his throat, give him lots of sausages to taste, stick some weiners in him and so on.
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if TC was that friendly to outsiders.
>> No. 1420 [Edit]
I don't think you understood my post, as I agree with you completely that Tohno-chan isn't any place for 3d. But it isn't about 3d, it is about avoiding becoming entrapped in a culture that stagnates thought, it goes beyond 3d and is applicable to many different topics.
>> No. 6843 [Edit]
This seems like the most relevant existing thread I could find to discuss what tohno mentioned in >>/so/27545

My personal opinion is that there's no real shortage of places online to vent or complain about 3D relationships, so I don't see the need to create another one. There's limited upside (I'd imagine that a large fraction of the userbase would not really benefit from it), but large downside (one of the appeals of TC for me is that it's the one place where I don't have to deal with people talking about or posting pictures of 3D. While I won't be so presumptuous as to say I'd stop using TC if these rules were loosened, it would nonetheless make me visit less frequently if the volume of those posts began to increase).

If one wishes to express the emotions (hopelessness, anguish, etc.) that the OP of the post in question feels, they can still do so while adhering to this guideline by expressing the feelings in a manner that's divorced from 3D context. I feel this also makes for better writing anyhow, since it forces you to abstract, allowing people to better empathize.

To give an example (and possibly commit what some consider a grave social faux pas), the OP of the post in question could have simply elided the details
>I used to clean his ears just like Senko, he would lay on my lap. I'd cook him jap curry. I made him cute work lunches.
and it would have already been orders of magnitude better. As it stands, these are just extraneous details that no one outside of the author in question can relate to, and merely cheapen the expression of whatever (genuine) sentiments the OP might feel.

Post edited on 22nd Jun 2022, 9:00pm
>> No. 6844 [Edit]
You're right, there are a lot of other places for it, and pretty much none that avoid/forbid it. I guess I liked the idea of being more supportive and helping to people in need, but in thinking about it, it could very easily also set a bad example and lead to some rather nasty things no one wants to see here.
I feel sorry for people like that, and I guess my sense of compassion makes me want to help them, but yeah the truth is this really just isn't the place for that.
>> No. 6846 [Edit]
Not that I have any say in the matter but I agree. Not only it's an unique aspect of tc that shapes the atmosphere of this place in a good way, but also conversations about 3D romantic relationships tend to become antagonistic incredibly fast. I think it's quite obvious that one was already going downhill.

>I feel sorry for people like that, and I guess my sense of compassion makes me want to help them
I suppose not allowing it actually helps those people more than allowing it, since you can escape those problems by coming to a 3Dfree zone.
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