Aren't consoles kind of a shitty format to begin with in terms of having freedom and getting exactly what you want? The parts are standard and chosen for you, they're not upgradable, you're not free to make and distribute your own software for them, professional developers are limited in what of content they're allowed to "release for the platform", and you can't use them for most things. They're literally just more limited computers. As general purpose computers become more and more accessible, I don't see the point in buying slightly cheaper(not necessarily even), more specialized in theory, but highly limited hardware.

Owning a physical disc is also just an illusion of ownership. It's software. It's literally just data. You should be able to put anything you download on a disc or a usb if you feel like. "Owning data" is a complete fabrication and can only be done through secrecy. Why would you buy that? Why would you support the worst type of software ecosystem possible? Consoles should die

>>13818
I have a gaming PC but I still prefer to play what I can on PS4, it's simply comfort. I prefer to play certain types of games on a lounge in front of a TV. Yes there are ways that I could facilitate this with a PC but it's a lot of work and comes across many issues, which is the way playing games on a PC is in general. I never have to worry about any software issues on a PS4 or that the latest Grachics card update doesn't like the latest windows update and so now the PC crashes once a day or wherever other issue that comes up randomly. The PS4 never has any problems at all, I don;t need to put any effort into fixing or upgrading it at all.

>>13819
I wouldn't know about any of those issues. I only read vns, so a pc is the vastly superior option for me. Do you at least "jail break" your consoles?

>>13820
VNs aren't even games...

No I don't.

>>13821
They're both interactive, entertainment software. You can find both on "game platforms" like steam. Some get a butchered console release.

700-fucking-dollars. Better of just having a gaming PC and a Switch.

>>13821
>VNs aren't even games...
That depends. A "pure" VN, where the only interaction is choosing something, isn't a game in my opinion. However, there are many VNs that are blended with SRPGs/TBS and other types of actual gameplay.

Uninteresting event with mostly uninteresting games. Demon's Souls was the highlight, but that's a remake.
If the PS5 is backwards compatible with more than just a selection of PS4 games I might wait for a price drop or a slim version. Otherwise I might skip it entirely. Between everything they've done the past decade, from shit like this >>13814 to all the recent stuff like their patents (e.g., AI listening, heart rate and sweat monitoring or whatever), BLM pandering and the Naughty Dog situation, I just don't feel like giving Sony any money.

Not that I care about Naughty Dog or anything they've made since Druckmann joined, but they still suck and Druckmann is a huge fag.

>>13816
Plus the fact that the Switch gets the RPGs and all these games now, without the Sony censor, so the only reason to own a Playstation nnow is for their first party titles and any exclusives they get.

It also has to be the ugliest console ever made. Looks like a fake render of the Xbox 720 from 2008 or something.

>>13818
Playing PC it's a pain if you're not particularly interested in messing with hardware and software.
You want to play X game? There's chances it will not work, because whatever reason (PC master race they tell you this never happens, but it does). Then you have to configure the controls. Then it goes slow because your graphic card isn't XXX and you're an awful poorfag but truth is the optimization isn't good and ports from console are usually shit, if they exist at all. Sure, if you know about it and like to build machines most of it will be fine but if you don't care about that and just want to play I don't see why consoles are a bad alternative.
For me, PC gaming of today that consists of Steam-like services, no physical games and mostly multiplatform stuff doesn't awake me the slightest interest.

>>13824
This is something people forget at the beginning of every gen but the first 1-2 years of almost every console are usually shit. Ps3 was atrocious(has no gaems meme) and even Ps2 was remarkably bad.
Considering that, I don't think it was that bad, at least there's some games that aren't generic shit or ports. For me Ghostwire, Stray and new Horizon seemed interesting.

>>13825
If you want to play x game, there's also a chance it wasn't released for whichever console you bought, and you can't buy them all if you're a poorfag. There's no way of predicting the future "lineup" of any particular console. Consoles ports would also probably not be as bad if the software was written for standard personal computers in the first place. In fact, there probably are games like that being made. They have freedom in what kind of content they can put in their software too. The "traditional" console war thing were people argue about which walled garden they prefer because company number 1 has this sort of "image", which means these types of games, while company number 2 has that image, looks really stupid from an outsider's perspective. Which jailer is more benevolent. Imagine if hp told people what they were allowed to program for their computers. Why can't anybody just write whatever they want for the play station, put it on a disc, and sell it to people with no approval process? If it's still more convenient to be worth it though...

Post edited on 13th Jun 2020, 4:30am

>>13827
>There's no way of predicting the future "lineup" of any particular console.

Of course there is. You know PlayStation is going to be a better platform for JRPG's than Xbox, Xbox for certain western games, Nintendo for Nintendos. You know what kind of exclusives each console will have and what public they are aiming for, lots of things like that. It's not rocket science.

>Why can't anybody just write whatever they want for the play station, put it on a disc, and sell it to people with no approval process?

Console market was like that before, and the market got flooded by trash causing the biggest crisis in the history of the industry. Not saying it would be particularly bad or good with today's industry, maybe if we start to get censorship and other bullshit then it will be another thing though.

>>13828
None of that is specific. You don't know what specific games will come out for sure before it's announced. Your purchase could hypothetically become a total waste because of some corporate decisions and you wont know exactly how much value you got until it's obsolete. 70s video games as a whole weren't particulary engaging and there was no easy way of researching them, while now finding what you want would be far easier. Even if the advantage of consoles is a convenient standard, everybody should have access to it. It already has censorship. The model has censorship built into it. Otherwise full-blown eroges would be readily available for them.

>>13829
>Your purchase could hypothetically become a total waste because of some corporate decisions and you wont know exactly how much value you got until it's obsolete.

I don't think that ever happened to me. It could only happen if you bought day 1 something that actually had chances to fail, last case could have been the WiiU. A portable by Nintendo or a desktop by Sony aren't going to be a massive failure without games in any gen, and if it's something that bothers you, you can wait a couple of years to see how things are going.
If I had this trouble of buying a console then not finding the games I want on it you should understand I wouldn't be a console player, if I'm one is because it's the platform that better fits my interests, even just taking catalogue into account.
Like, I'm really into Ryu Ga Gotoku games, and PC gamers, after years, now can say that the new one will come to PC along the remakes of 1 & 2 and Zero. And that's fantastic, but I can't play Judgment, the HnK spin-off or 3,4,5 and 6. Why I should choose a platform that doesn't have all the games I would like to play while a shitty cheap Ps4 has them all?

To play eroges, VN's, Touhou, porn games, I will obviously use the PC, but I don't need a turbo gamer PC for that, anything works.

Fuck consoles. Disgusting.

>>13831
I for one think fucking a console is disgusting, but whatever gets you off bro.

>>13829
>You don't know what specific games will come out for sure before it's announced.
The new xbox will have a new halo, a new gears of war, a new forza, and a new version of minecraft. I'd bet good money on this.

>>13832
Ironically this kind of picture wouldn't be allowed in their games now. At least nobody here is planning on buying the thing, right?

>>13834
Sure, I'm going to.

PSV is tight!

The PS5 was officially released today.


...does anyone here care?

I don't.

>>14062
I do because Ps4 releases will be slowly drecreasing from now on. But maybe the games will be cheaper too.

>>14063
yeah I think they'll be a hell of a lot cheaper now.

>>14062
I hate it, if that counts as caring.

>>14062
I'm not sure if I care. I want to keep my eyes peeled for funny failures from them but I know even that will disappoint. I also think PS5 looks better as a character than as a console. If PS5-chan were a Japanese made character then (hopefully) she wouldn't shame you for liking video game girl butts and expect you to download the BurnLootMurder theme, at least.

Post edited on 12th Nov 2020, 12:10pm

>>14066
It's sad how playstation went from being the weeb console to the AAA million dollar budget movie like ""mature"" game console.

>>14068
I argue PS was never going to remain a weeb console; not with might of SONY behind it.

>>14068
So which one is that kind of console now, the switch? Ps4 still had most of the catalogue but Ps5 censorship and things like NIS publishing Disgaea exclusively for Switch in the west are sign of dark times for Sony.

>>14080
Maybe, they seem less hard on Japanese games than Sony and do have a fair amount of jrpg. It's the console everyone turns to for their fire emblem needs at least. I feel like steam might be filling that gap and then some. Years ago they didn't have anything weeb like, now they've got floods of Japanese games, games consoles would never allow, and many of which aren't even translated.

Not interested in any console ever but I have a question for those who follow the news on this thing. Do people take them apart to mount the hardware in homemade cases? I don't think any self respecting DIYer would even bother to plug the damn thing in before doing something about its stupid looks.

>>14099
People often slap stickers and decals on consoles. "skins", which are large stickers designed specifically for consoles are common place and cheap. Actual modding on cases with custom shells is certainly a thing, but I think the average consumer would be too worried about voiding a warranty to do something like that.

Demon Souls on PS5 is so nostalgic.

>>14085
>I feel like steam might be filling that gap and then some.
Even GOG is getting on this action.

>>14085
Years ago on 4Chan's /v/, I remember this joke-image somebody made of the Steam Store and it was filled with Japanese VNs. I remember how we all laughed at it on site, as if it were in any way a possible future.
It's beginning to actually seem plausible though.

>>13821
>>13823
The concept of what constitutes a game has changed a lot in the last 20 years. I think that's kind of funny. To me a VN is as much a game as Street Fighter is, same with a simulation. When people make a distinction between them ("VNs and truck simulators are not games") it confuses me. But, I didn't grow up with consoles at all so maybe that influenced my perspective of what a "video game" is. For one, I never played games on a TV.

>>13834
I'll buy it... and mod the heck out of it.

It's funny to think that I was nuts about PlayStation back during the 1-3rd gens, like -crazy- about them. So much so I bought the ps3 at launch after preordering it. I've even owned dozens of psps over the years. but the 4th and now 5th have left a real bad taste in my mouth. Call me petty but stuff like replacing the select button with a "share" button made me not want to buy a ps4. Xbox was the system for social normalfags who played with friends and did online crap. Playstation was for the single player nerds who played in their dark rooms alone every night, like me. Their move to more online and social interactions have been alienating to say the least. I'd rather just stick with PC gaming and probably wont pick up a ps5 until years from now when they're being sold at half the price second hand, maybe by then the system will have a few appealing games. As it is, it doesn't have any, not for me anyway.

>>14221
I don't quite have the same brand loyalty as you do but I'm quite similar. I grew up with both the PS1 and 2 and still emulate both from time to time. For a long time the idea of owning a different console was just never a possibility. The direction they are going now feels like a "betrayal" for a lack of better word. I still like and prefer consoles but frankly nothing in the market appeals to me. I never really think too much over it but it's funny how important a brand's image is in relation to its consumers, as you've said xbox always has this sporty, extroverted personality to it for example.

Is there still a PS5 shortage?

>>14259
There's a shortage of ps5 gamz

It's been almost 3 years since this thread was made. Anything changed?

Didn't grow up playing games, but I'm planning on buying an xbone controller so I can play Silent Hill 2 and Nier Automata on my laptop(hopefully it's powerful enough). Both of those came out on a Playstation.

>>14675
As far as I know it still has next to no exclusives with not much on the way, it doesn't make much sense to dump tons of money into making a bunch of games for a console no one owns. The consoles aren't being scalped for nearly as much anymore at least, likely because there's a pro version supposed to be released soon which looks slightly better than the butt ugly standard ps5. Sony has meanwhile been porting a lot of their exclusives to PC to recoup lack luster sales and hopefully promote their new games, but I've been hearing a lot of complaints about the quality of those ports. some of them seem to be very poorly optimized.

Back when the ps3 came out, Sony was PISSED the US military was buying PS3s in bulk as cheap computers. Those were consoles that would never get used for gaming, which was where they made their money. Now you have scumbags hoarding consoles trying to scalp them and making them very hard to get (reasonably) in the process. Less people having access to the consoles means less people buying games, and less people buying games means no gamez. Of course Sony should have done something about this, handled the situation better. They should have just ramped up production to meet thee demand. If you think that's easier said than done, the steam deck did exactly that. Sony simply dropped the ball this gen, and hard.

>>14676
Looking back on the rough launch of the PS3 at least it eventually recovered. It seems like with each generation they get worse.

>>14677
It's a bit odd in retrospect, the PS4 was so wildly popular at launch but, but it did take a while to get some note worthy exclusives. I once bought a limited edition ps4, played 2 games (ratchet and uncharted4), then resold the thing because nothing else seemed that interesting at the time. Sony has a TON of exclusive IP, but they've let a lot of them stagnate. Imagine if they just remade or (properly)remastered their old library. They could bank big on nostalgia. Instead it seems like all the ps5 has worth mentioning is what, god of war reboot and zero dawn?

>>14678
And FFXVI until that also comes to PC or whatever.

>>13818
4 years later, and I've been proven right yet again.
https://nichegamer.com/stellar-blade-censorship-acknowledged-by-shift-up/

Also, pre-orders are an idiotic concept. I'll concede that one bad aspect of digital copies are patches, because they allow games to be released in a half-baked state, and for devs to change anything about a game, even years after it's released. This problem isn't intrinsic to digital copies though; it's a problem of centralized distribution.

Post edited on 28th Apr 2024, 12:41pm

>>15053
Posts from some thread about this
>My impression is that there is a clearly conflicted move within Sony - if they really want to censor these games, why would they try to sign an exclusive contract with Shift Up which is a developer well known for creating these kind of games in the first place?

>Since Sony moved its headquarters to California, all authority, including marketing, has been transferred from Japan to California, but there seems to be clearly a swing back to this move around the time of Jim Ryan's retirement. Perhaps it"s not like all of authority will be fully returned to Japan, but I guess it is likely that those who once had influence on the Japanese side have regained some of their power in SIE.

>We can say this because recently we have seen in some games of Japanese third party publishers what can be seen as a sign of easing Sony's censorship policy regarding sexual expression. My guess is some of SIE Japan reflect on the fact that its overly blatant, western-centric censorship policies have alienated and driven smaller Japanese third-party publishers to PC and Nintendo.

>Perhaps this collaboration with Shift Up, like Koei Tecmo's Rise Of The Ronin, was entirely initiated by the Japanese side. It is hard to believe that California's SIE would promote such an initiative. SIE Japan assured SHIFT UP a certain degree of freedom of expression in pursuing such a project, but in the end, they may have been forced to compromise on some of expressions due to intervention from the headquarters. (Needless to say, this is a kind of speculation based on some evidence. We don't even know if Stellar Blade was really forced to censor by Sony.)

Another
>The one thing I really don't like about some of these arguments is how people try to use Sony to excuse Shift Up. Even if we just take for granted all this speculation about Sony forcing them, as far as I can tell they're not a first party studio.
>That means they chose to work with Sony. And not only did they choose to work with one of the most infamously censorious companies, they also didn't bother to negotiate any protections to prevent the single most predictable outcome of this partnership.

>This good cop bad cop mental gymnastics some gamers employ has always frustrated me. They're clearly still at fault for this.
>Edit: In fact, as I'm reading this it sounds like this game started out as a multiplatform title. They basically sold exclusivity (or at least timed exclusivity) around 2 years into development.

Post edited on 28th Apr 2024, 2:18pm

>>15053
The physical disk is pre-patch, but if you ever connect online, the update is mandatory. So much for "owning your games".

Source on Sony saying they'll never have mandatory updates for offline game:
https://screenrant.com/ps5-force-players-update-offline-games-ui-reveal/

Post edited on 29th Apr 2024, 11:47am

>>14675
>>14675
>so I can play Silent Hill 2 and Nier Automata on my laptop
>both of those came out on a Playstation
Are you talking about the original Silent Hill 2 release? That game released almost 23 years ago, that's enough time to see a baby infant grow up and become a working age NEET hiding inside his mother's basement. Plenty people have come and gone both inside Sony's and KCET's offices and nothing's remained. I don't know how brand loyalty becomes ingrained in people's mind, but corporations don't exist to uphold values or standards, only to make money.

>>15058
Since posting that, I built a PC and played Nier Automata. Haven't gotten around to Silent Hill 2, but my motivation has nothing to do with brand loyalty; I'm barely older than the game.

>>15059
>Silent Hill 2
Expect a very janky but earnest game about a man losing his mind. It's fairly interesting how the multiple endings were worked on so they offer completely a completely different conclusion to the MC's motives depending how you play the game. It's not very intuitive but a definite improvement over what the first game did with its endings. Music's incredible too. The In Water ending sequence followed by this song on the results screen fucked me up my first way playing through.
Somehow it strikes me as the kind of game that would've had some hamfisted political message if it was made any time later or by different devs.