>>37760
That's not what I said and not really what I meant, as far as technology goes I tend to consider that any development is inevitable and cannot be contained. The idea that we can control technology, preventing its spread or proliferation, is fallacious in my opinion. I was talking more about what people think about social order, government, what the right form or purpose of government even is, and the entire concept of the "common brotherhood of man".

>>37764
Seems along the lines of what Kacyzinski said.

>>37764
I have some fairly old views as well but I still don't have a problem with Otaku media.

Sort of, I still enjoy what I did when I first got into it but my horizons have widened.
The most otaku-y stuff I am into, is probably that I enjoy toku and puro, which are considered worse than anime and manga. I also enjoy Japanese trains.
As for 2D, I can enjoy almost anything that's not legendary shit, except for isekai.

>>37771
Tokusatsu and puro? (pro-wrestling?). Train otaku are some of the most dedicated, they are a group that I respect despite not being one myself. How deep are you into the hobby?

>>37773
Tokatsu and Pro wrestling, yes. I follow the latter quite closely and I watch the former when I hear a series is good. Even in hentai, characters get razzed about liking tokatsu.
>How deep are you into the hobby?
I play train simulators new and old, and have models, and have gone on trainspotting tours there. I want to get electric sets when I have the money and space. So moderate.

>>37768
I don't have a problem with Otaku media, not most of it. There are just certain genres that really like to hammer in the value of the modern social order, and that just gets under my skin. If for example the moral preaching is just a way to pit two ideas against each other with genuine and honest comparison, then I can enjoy it a lot.

>>37774
>characters get razzed about liking tokatsu
Is that so? I get the impression that tokusatsu is relatively common considering the continued popularity and longevity of the super sentai and kamen rider series.

>I play train simulators new and old, and have models, and have gone on trainspotting tours there. I want to get electric sets when I have the money and space. So moderate.
That's nice, do you also have interest in announcements and station melodies? One aspect of the hobby I have an interest in are the secluded stations or hikyo eki although I've never actually been to any myself. I do enjoy sightseeing from trains and especially train lines that are more rural. Are there any specific rail lines that you are partial towards?

>>37779
>I get the impression that tokusatsu is relatively common
Among children. I think it's seen as inherently childish.

>>37779
For scenic routes, Hisatsu Line and the Tadami Line are personal favourites of mine, anything in Kyoto is also pretty good, the Nara line is very close to many temples. Harajuku station is also so beautiful and historic.
For western ones, Cape Town to Simon’s Town on the Metrorail is very good for a day trip. The Denali Star route on Alaska rail is very beautiful as well.

>>37775
>There are just certain genres that really like to hammer in the value of the modern social order, and that just gets under my skin.

What Generes?

>>37782
Thanks, nice scenery on those. You must travel around a lot!

>>37742
Absolutely. When I was a child/teenager I got into otaku culture because I was interested in your average snonen battle stuff that other children would be interested in. I was definitely part of the "Pokemon generation" created in the late 90s with the rise of anime in the west (Pokemon, Dragon Ball, Yugioh, ect.). By the late 00s I wasn't really relating to the newer wave of moe driven merchandise, and decided to quit anime out of disinterest, while still playing video games on and off.

Once 2019 rolled around, I was a professional with 5 years of experience under my belt, had a falling out with a group of friends, and didn't have much going on. Video games were starting to bore me so I started becoming disinterested in those, and stated to pick up anime again. I learned from this experience, that I really do not like shonen anymore (I tried), and actually really like the moe / slice of life stuff that drove me out of the fandom in the first place.

Now I really don't care for video games (have not purchased any in the past year) and I have watched a good deal of anime in its place. I feel like I will eventually die out of video games completely, like I have with western television (I have not picked up a new series in around ~4 years), but my new found interest in anime is surprising.

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>>37818
Japanese people suck at categorizing their own media. Unless you have a more accurate word for what people think when they think "shonen", don't tell people to stop using what's convenient.

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>>37818
No, they aren't genres, but due to their demographic targets they tend to have certain cliches regardless of genre. The whole "moral pep talk speech" tend to be a common cliche of shounen in particular regardless of the setting or genre. And it's fucking annoying after you've seen it a hundred times.

The shonen/seinen/josei/shoujo categorization might seem alien to non-Japanese but it works. Manga are generally released in magazines in chapters before eventually collected in tankobon. Publishers know their target audiences and mangaka work closely with editors to release their works, they don't always get full creative direction as people think unless they are highly successful. There are definitely distinct elements between each categories but they may be subtle and more obvious to the target demographics. Kirara is probably the most obvious publication, they have their own style and narrative that it is almost its own genre. Personally, I like the way the Japanese categorize things because its very specific to their target audiences. I've traced all my favorite manga to a few select magazines.

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>>37820
>I guess I should just learn to shut up.
It is quite liberating. And you'll be helping others, too. If you don't waste your time trying to prove you're cool and right and people are dumb and wrong, then people can't waste their time trying to do the same to you. It's a win-win situation really, more people should realize that, specially online.

Visual novel is a similar case. Japanese people didn't invent or really use that word, but it describes what it describes more conveniently and accurately than eroge since not all VNs have sex scenes in them. When you say visual novel, people know exactly what you're talking about. What's Steins Gate? A visual novel. A computer program with pictures, music and a long, text-based story. How would Japanese people call it? A non-ero eroge? That's stupid.

In shonen's case, I can understand being annoyed at a word which already existed having its meaning changed, but the solution is coming up with a better alternative word rather than abandoning categorization. Everything should be categorized so that things are obvious and there's no room for confusion or ambiguity.

Lucky Star is shonen. There is a category for that sort of series and its generally called battle shonen.

>>37823
I said something stupid and I regreet it, please forget about it.

>>37825
>How would Japanese people call it?
"ADV", or "adventure game", most likely. I don't think visual novel is entirely a western invention as I know Chunsoft invented the term 'sound novel' for their games in the early 80s.

>>37826
I'm talking about something I see in all shounen. I know what the distinction is and what the words Shounen and Seinen mean when referring to manga, and I'm directly referencing repeated themes that I see specifically in manga that run in Shounen magazines. After all, there are seinen that are very similar in format to a battle shounen, but because they aren't actually shounen they don't have some of the key traits of shounen that most likely are chosen by editors and not mangaka.

>>37828
Its kind of bizarre, because western "Adventure" is quite close in format to what we call VNs, maybe a bit more interactive.
Its semantics, I think.

>>37830
>>37828
>>37825
The term "Visual Novel" has its origin in Japan and is indeed probably derived from Chunsoft's "Sound Novel". Earlier Japanese Adventure games were similar to their western counterpart and Visual Novels only branched off from it after Leaf released their Visual Novel series and is considered distinct from Adventure games in Japan. Visual Novels weren't a thing in the west until post 2000s.

Perhaps the only change my interests have gone through is becoming smaller and more specific since so little can even hold my attention anymore. Despite this, most of the only anime I ever want to watch is slice of life as an escape, however brief and ineffective, from the knowledge of the blackpill. It doesn't work since hentai was very sure to make sure I don't even have that, but I guess it's like looking out the window from a jail cell. Sure, there's a bunch of animals probably ripping each other to pieces, but I can't see them at that point in time and at least the trees look nice, if that makes sense.
For VNs I play those dumb gimmicky VNs on steam and maybe obscure games I can manage to find somehow like Feathery Ears or the Null Peta game. I was never someone who played the popular normalfag games like Call of Duty or the newest Monster Hunter or whatever they're playing now. I never had the console or PC to play it on but now that I do I just don't have the interest. Plus I never cared for games with realistic brown and gray graphics. I might be too bored to lift my finger for much anyway but if I'm going to waste money and time on a video game I want some creativity. Manga follows those same trends I mentioned earlier.
But it's not like any of it matters because my attention span is shot and I barely do anything at all.

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>>37831
>Visual Novels weren't a thing in the west until post 2000s
I assume you mean WVNs. I remember a lot of people getting into otaku culture beyond the usual toonami shit through eroge back in the early 2000s.

Everything has changed. Bored and tired of anything now. *sigh*

I need a holiday.

As I've aged, I've come to realize that I don't like CGDCT all that much, which means I'm at odds with the tastes of most brohnos.

>>37742
as a kid, i was into whatever was airing on american television, so mostly shounen. i eventually figured out that the internet existed, though, and that's where my tastes started branching out wildly. unfortunately, this was the early/mid 2010s, and i was also in middle school around now, so i kind of got bullied into the ironic weeb mindset of certain things just being inherently "cringe" or "bad". there were a handful of genres and shows that i just stayed away from for the longest (Sword Art Online and Yosuga no Sora come to mind here), or went into with the expectation of it being bad because illiterate youtubers told me it was bad (Mirai Nikki and Tokyo Ghoul) because i was too afraid to form my own opinions.
i think over the course of the late 2010s...over the span of 2017-2019, i think, i came more to terms with myself and learned to be honest with what i do and don't like. it also nicely coincided with my tastes expanding once again, since i now had current gen consoles finally (i was stuck with a wii and a 3ds for the longest before getting a switch and a ps4/vita) and a laptop that i didn't have to share with anyone, so my exposure to games, anime, and even visual novels, light novels, and manga expanded wildly.
i guess over time, you could say that i've grown fond of media that's very unapologetic about what it is. there's stuff that's "tropey" or "cliche" that i don't really mind because it's not preemptively trying to subvert or be super on the nose that it's self-aware or anything. very recently, Magical Destroyers is probably the anime that made this realization click with me the most.
slight aside, but aside from comedy (i get burnt out on stuff that's purely comedic really quickly), fantasy/medieval (people complain about high school settings incessantly but seem to be fine with every high fantasy series ever--all 9000 of them--never evolving past DnD and Dragon Quest) and parody (can people just play something straight and have some self-confidence in themselves for five goddamn minutes), one thing i can't stand is stuff that's really grimdark or overly...macho(?), for lack of a better term (Berserk, Goblin Slayer, Madoka Magica, maybe Attack on Titan but i actually liked season 4 a lot, a lot of older anime like Fist of the North Star and maybe Cowboy Bebop). not even for any inherent fault that any of those series have, they're all probably fine, i'm just squeamish and don't like seeing characters suffer, but because fans of those kinds of series are consistently the most annoying people on the face of the earth; something being gritty and miserable doesn't inherently make it "mature", and something being "mature" doesn't inherently make it good or valuable. the way westerners interpret media consistently really bothers me, the only way we seem to be able to take something seriously is if it makes the average non-battle hardened person need therapy afterward. ironically, i was way less apprehensive about this kind of stuff when i was younger, i remember not getting very far into Elfen Lied because i thought it was boring, of all things.
i'm still relatively young, so i'm somewhat scared of becoming one of those really jaded people that seem to hate everything that releases after a certain point. i try to go out of my to find new things i might like, which has actually worked a lot, there're a lot of new games coming out that i'm really excited for, and i'm usually able to find at least one or two anime every season to follow.

No more shonen please

>>42459
I always watched anime sparsely, even when I was younger, and read manga even less. Magical Pokaan was the first I actually went out of my way to watch, back when it was all on YouTube. To me, it was the overall anime style that I found pleasant the most, so I mostly consumed art without much consideration of their source materials. That hasn't changed.

I consider this somewhat of a blessing though, because it makes whatever anime I do decide to sit down and watch stay with me a lot longer, even if it was fairly unmemorable and didn't change my life or worldview or leave me with much anything to fondly remember it by.

That being said, I find it funny that I still recognize most of the characters in >>42459. Something tells me if I watched anime on a regular basis I would be one of those people, honestly.

I don't think they've changed much. I've only had consistent issues with pre-mid-70s anime, and I also haven't to this day read a shoujo manga that I've actually enjoyed, not a problem with anime adaptations of the same titles. Some time ago I started listing and rating the anime I've watched on MAL, and it seemed to me that the mid-90s to early 00s are the times with higher ratings, and that's around when I started to get more into anime.

Now, for tokusatsu, I did watch some that I enjoyed as a child, but as an adult didn't like at all. Showa Kamen Rider have been very unenjoyable, haven't watched any Heisei or later yet, Super Sentai are hit or miss, and I've been delving into Metal Heroes now hoping for the better.

>>37742
I only really started getting into anime a few years ago, and at the time I would just watch random anime that are very "iconic" or that I've heard were good or that I found vaguely interesting.
I eventually stopped having interest in western media in general, including stuff that tried to mimic or parody Japanese stuff (stuff like DDLC).
I can watch/read various genres, but I now require there to be considerable moe value (and little to no anti-moe/ugliness), so I am more likely to be interested in CGDCT/SoL and romance.
I also now don't have interest in things that have attributes such as trying too hard to be "unique" or quirky, having western aesthetics, being pseudo-intellectual, being "subversive" or dishonest, being too "safe" (eg. no fanservice), etc (stuff like Cowboy Psyop, Evangelion, Lain, etc).
I also now have more interest in manga and visual novels, with the latter having a high concentration of works that would appeal to me.
Also, I didn't like lolicon and yuri because I associated those with the real world equivalents but I eventually realized that's silly and started liking them.
>>42424
I relate to some of the things you said. Other than the lack of correct capitalization.
>>37751
SoL is the opposite of nihilism.

I've been a touhou fan consistently for the last decade and then some. I've been listening to the same 5 doujin arranges (not literally, but it feels that way) for the past 8 years probably. I generally listen to the same artists now I did 10 years ago, but I've very slowly branched out in terms of piano arranges the last couple of years. It's less so new doujin circles but moreso individual artists. I've started listening to 2分の1 東方piano and Minthia. I've also discovered JAGMO, which isn't piano but moreso orchestra. They manage to do arranges that are faithful to the original themes. They especially do PC-98 stuff, which I especially like. I also have been listening to As/Hi Soundworks, which I want to listen to their actual albums.
In terms of anime, I used to like a lot more moe anime. Now, I can't stand moe anime. It's all gotten annoying as shit to me. But I remember what appealed to me was less any of the story or plot but the art and characters; especially the art. But I've been struggling to appreciate the art in anime because of anhedonia. I've been working on the same backlog gradually over the past decade due to procrastination and am almost done. For some reason, I struggle to watch anime because of its pacing. I think after I finish my backlog, I don't think I'll download any more series because watching them feels like a chore. This is the case with most visual media for me, even if it's western media. I tried seasonal anime for a while, but I didn't feel like keeping up with it.
As for other Japanese media, I've always liked the denpa genre, really, whether it be VNs, music, or anime. Denpa music especially makes me feel like I'm being brainwashed by the CIA.

I have been into otaku culture since roughly 2008, having largely gotten into it via lurking on /a/ and other websites, plus finding different shows that were uploaded straight onto YouTube in multiple parts per episode courtesy of the website's non-existent copyright rules at the time. I was aware of and really loved anime before then due to Shonen shit that was airing on TV, but did not become an otaku until that period. My tastes have largely remained the same after I started getting deeper into the culture: I immediately gravitated towards moe anime and visual novels particularly nakige. The only real change has been my newer love of mecha and tokusatsu, though I can pinpoint later enjoyment of certain series I used to dislike and vice versa. For example, when I was younger I thought Clannad was vastly inferior to Kanon and Air to the point of frustration towards its popularity, but these days I have come to quite enjoy it as much as those two, though I still think Kanon is the best. My waifu has also changed since then.
>Are there specific works that are influential in defining/changing your tastes?
Lucky Star. This was the first slice of life show I ever watched, and in hindsight it completely solidified my taste and the types of things I like. I enjoy things that have tons of characters and are more concerned with how each of those characters interact with each other. Kanon, Touhou, and Strike Witches are works I would point to as great examples of the types of things I like as well. Focusing a bit more on Lucky Star, Konata was the driving force for me to watch as much anime and read as many visual novels as I possibly could, her excitement towards otaku culture was immediately felt by me and never left me, I still feel it to this day even if I am not very interested in what is coming out seasonally anymore.
>Do you have specific quirks or patterns pertaining to how you enjoy otaku culture?
I try to stick to anime from the 2000's and earlier. There are exceptions to this of course, Bocchi the Rock immediately became a favorite anime of mine and there are a lot of gems within the early to mid 2010's, but I mostly try to stick to the period where I started getting heavily into it. I honestly really do not like how the majority of modern anime look and sound.

>>37742
I still like catgirls

I hardly consume any fiction at all anymore.
I kind of force myself to read some manga and watch some anime now and then just so I don't forget my Japanese.

Don't play video games anymore, except puzzle games on rare occasions.

I'm just bored with it all I guess.

>>42617
Out of curiosity, and if you're willing to share, how old are you?

>>42618
I'm in my 30s

Once upon a time, I disliked the tsundere of any variety, but now I can't get enough of them. Very much of a, "at last I truly see," kind of thing.

>>43486
>I disliked the tsundere of any variety
That was just your tsuntsun side.

Huuh. If I had enough of tsunderes diluted with kuderes I would probably have a hard time escaping happiness.

I used to be really enjoy generic romance and seasonal shows, but now I am more picky about what I watch, and I tend to go for shows that have action or comedy in them as opposed to "generic" SoL shows if they're purely romance. I still watch CGDCT, but it tends to take me longer to finish a series if it's 20 minutes of CGDCT, although there are some shows like Yuyushiki that I always enjoy.
I think overall I've stopped watching as much and I tend to pick something more "engaging" when I do decide to watch a show, which is likely just an effect of not having as much free time and feeling more stressed to make "good use" of my time when I do decide to watch anime, read manga, or play a VN. I would say that my tastes have just narrowed rather than there being a big shift in what I enjoy, but it could also be that I've watched all the "good show" in a specific genre as well, leaving the shows that are left to watch to be things that I wouldn't have enjoyed anyways.

>>43492
>it tends to take me longer to finish a series
CGDCT shows are best watched 1 or 2 episodes a week. Anything more and it "dilutes" the emotional impact, if that makes sense. At least for kirara shows, for me I always follow each episode with a lot of reflection and thought. Most people just brush off CGDCT shows as mindless fodder, and that maybe true for the poor ones, but anything kirara-level has enough subtlety in it that it can be pondered in its own right.

I started off with SOl and iyashikei and still like it the most. I haven't found any other media with that same comfy feeling but even if I did I'm not sure I'd care if it didn't have 2D girls.
But I'm older now and watch very little anime and almost no seasonal series. I find that I'm either going back and reading the manga of some of shows I remember fondly or else sticking with long-running series and as a result I feel like I'm a bit stuck in the early 2010's. I read recent stuff as well but it's harder to find things that interest me. I guess that trend will continue but I've been a little more excited lately because some of my favorite series got new chapters or unexpected new seasons.

They expanded but that's all, I don't really watch anime though, I'm a manga kind of guy, I started mostly with battle shonen, rom/com and Isekai, to this day (around 6-8 years since I got into manga) I still love these genres dearly but nowadays I can read just about anything except +18 shit, things with too much Ecchi (softcore porn honestly), yaoi or Yuri.

Outside of those things pretty much anything can be read, last manga I really enjoyed and I'm keeping an eye on is Nobunaga's chef, I decided to read Eat-Man too, sadly many chapters have not the best quality but it is what it is, I've read worst translations/scan lations.

>>43500
But yuri is the best, the holiest genre ever created by (wo)man!

I was going to write a timeline of all the major series I've been into, but it pretty much boils down going back and forth between CGDCT, psychological, idols, war, slice of life.
It's like feeling the urge to eat something salty after eating something sweet or vice versa.

At some point in time I remember writing off battle shonen as garbage, but I've somehow come back around to liking them. I tend to enjoy the universe and the characters on their own rather than the events occuring within the series. The older series also have a backlog of spinoff games with original storylines, which I really enjoy. Pic rel

I've grown out of multimedia franchises like Bandori and Love Live though. It's really tiresome to keep up. Upgradng my phone, logging in daily, ranking in events, reading all the manga adaptations, wathcing the anime, watching all the MVs, real time web series, this, that...I just listen to the music now.

>42465
>It's less so new doujin circles but moreso individual artists.
It definitely feels that way when checking download sites. I've been listing to the same few groups over the years as well and everytime I branch out I feel so lost. I'll give the artists you've listed a listen.