First half of ep1 was kinda fun here and there, but the ep quickly turned dull and generic in the second half. The battle was especially boring.

Gross.
I think a bunch of people will probably pick up this anime just for this character.

I wonder how fast it can go.

What's the deal with the trap and the sheep girl? WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?
Anyway, there aren't enough "real" mahou shoujos in this post-Madoka world, so I hope this is actually as cute and innocent as it seems; I'll be really disappointed if it pulls a darkshit fakeout.

>>28288
>the battle was boring.
But I like that they have weapons. That's something you don't see a lot in the genre. Hopefully the fights will get better.

>>28290
[FAST]

>>28292
>there aren't enough "real" mahou shoujos
What about precure?

>>28293
I love Precure. But pretty much everything else is a parody or a dark/edgy show.

>>28294
True, too much edge lord crap these days.

>>28288
I dunno why but there was something very amusing about seeing Sumire stuff her face during that conversation.

>>28298
Probably because sweet little girls are supposed to daintily eat dainty foods daintily, not pack it in like they're getting ready to hibernate. And because Sumire specifically seems like the kind of person who would have a moderate appetite and good manners.

>>28297
It's not even that I mind edgy stuff; it can be good. But sometimes you just want to watch cute girls do cute things and fight monsters.

>>28289
You've gotta be kidding me.

Well, we all know the show is gonna be a pile of garbage in the end, so this is just the nail in the coffin for me to not watch it.

>>28301
If it's any consolation, that's a supporting character who probably wont be seen 'that' much.

Why are so many people bitter about the trap?

>>28304
Maybe pre-emptive anger.

I'm forever hurt by how much agenda has infected non-2D which makes it unwatchable; I don't want to see it happen to anime.

>>28305
Your concerns are understandable. No one wants to see the pc/sjw virus infect anime. Traps don't really have anything to do with that movment however. Traps are more of a fetish, something for perverts to fap to, if not that then something meant to be a funny for how silly and usual it is, like a character who always wears a clown costume. I don't believe it has anything to do with being politically correct or fulfilling agendas.

It's either "haha look at that crazy idiot crossdressing!" or "omg he looks like a girl, fap fap fap" (maybe both) but certainly NOT "look at how brave that young boyperson is for fighting gender roles!"

Post edited on 8th Apr 2017, 5:04pm

>TwEAKers
anime junkies

>>28304
I just think it's nasty

>>28306
>Traps don't really have anything to do with that movment however.
>Traps are more of a fetish, something for perverts to fap to.
I massively disagree with you. If you are old enough to have seen at least 10 years of internet change then you must have witness the feminization warp take place... "trapping", "boipucci" and other degenerate garbage has become so mainstream and infectious that if you ask the average person who dwells online what the percentage of traps exist, they would most likely reply with at least an extra digit difference. And I won't even start with the fact that such depravity being spread is nothing but a purposefully done thing.

Story of my life.

>>28318
Maybe if you believe japan gives a crap about crazy western bullshit politics and agendas. It's gotten out of hand on the English net sure, but as far as I know the SJW/feminist disease hasn't completely infected and corrupted japan as of yet, or at least not leaked into anime. I have faith they're capable of seeing western culture for the cancer that it is. After all they've mostly just incorporated some of the better aspects of it so far such as holidays, fashion, and some cuisine. cherry picking if you will. As far as I know it's not the norm to cover yourself in tats slut it up and scream YOLO 420 FUCK THE POLICE while selfi facebooking at starbucks with your ipad like some basic bitch.
If it is I'm sorry to hear that, and hope they keep it out of anime at least.

Honestly though I feel like traps have been much less common in recent years. I haven't noticed any myself for a while, where as I remember five-ten years ago traps were all the rage. I don't believe the SJW movement was anywhere near this active back when moyashimon, happiness, or Shugo Chara were originally created. So I don't see how you can pin it on that. If anything, this show being a callback to classic magical girl anime of years past makes me feel this show's trap side character is just an element from those simpler and more fun/wacky times.

Between a high tech cyborg and a former precure, those villains don't stand a chance!

>>28318
You may know of the net but clearly you know not of Japan.
They might have a problem of political correctness (regarding Chinese and Koreans in Japan) but they still ain't afriad to publicly march in Shohwa era military uniform saying Japan did nothing wrong.

They've barely known each other for a few days and have already seen each other naked and bathed together. I don't see how you can accuse her of being shy at that point.

>>28404
>this show's trap side character is just an element from those simpler and more fun/wacky times.
Could be, I do remember transvestites being relatively common gags. I haven't seen this show and all I saw was the pictures, so I definitely can't gauge how this character is presented, and therefore can't argue in that regard. The Trap-enticing "movement" issue started iirc with Bridget in 2005/6.
>>28411
You'd be hard press to try arguing Japanese society isn't filled with degeneracy, and I don't mean it in a "righteous persecution" kind of way. I'm not a porn (2D nor 3D) enthusiast, but the range and depth of fetishes the Japanese indulge in is or was leagues worse than what the west indulged in a decade ago.

>>28415
>I definitely can't gauge how this character is presented
He was presented along side a mentally challenged sheep girl and a chuunibyou fortune teller.

>>28415
>You'd be hard press to try arguing Japanese society isn't filled with degeneracy
Good thing I was not doing that, then.
You seem to be completely ignorant of Japanese culture.

Japanese love for traps is not the same as acceptance of cross-dressering trannies.
Ah, I see it now. Common normie logical, unable to seperate fantasy from reality.

>>28417
>You seem to be completely ignorant of Japanese culture.
And you seem to purposefully ignore that sexuality (romanticism, coupling, pairing) is an intrinsic part of culture anywhere.
>Japanese love for traps is not the same as acceptance of cross-dressering trannies.
>Ah, I see it now. Common normie logical, unable to seperate fantasy from reality.
You are saying I'm using normie logic, yet I haven't stated what you refer to anywhere, not the mention the statement itself is non-sensical. You inferred it sololy to fit your insult, which ironically for you, it's exactly the kind of behaviour normals engage in to attempt to win an argument and feel better about themselves.

>>28418
Not the person you're replying to, but to my knowledge the thing with japan and all it's crazy weird porn/fetishistic stuff is it's an escape from the norm, not a reflection of it. Their porn goes into extremes because their normal romance/sex life is just that tame and boring. Picture if you will the typical bored housewives that have fantasies of getting violently raped by home invaders, bland uninteresting teens who want to be taken away by sparkly vampires, or made SM toys by some billionaire.

I have no interest in traps myself but have spent a lot of time around people who are crazy about them, and have also known a few trans people. Pervs who like traps aren't necessarily going to be interested in trans people, and can be extremely picky when getting involved with 3D trans. They'll generally only date a trans person if they're very cute/feminine and can believable pass as a girl. They don't care about cis gender role privilege whatever shit, they just want to stick their dick in something cute.
In trying to understand why guys like traps, they typically point to the abnormality of it as being one of the most appealing factors, and how traps apparently play tricks with their minds. I can't pretend to completely understand it, but I can say it has little to nothing to do with the SJW movement, just as tentacle porn has nothing to do with animal rights, and monster girls have nothing to do with stem cell research or debates on genetically modifying human beings. It's just something to get guys excited while they rub their dick that's all.

>>28417
>>28418
>>28419

Let's try and keep things on track here, this thread and board is for discussing anime, not politics of any sort. If you would like to continue debating whether the trap character represents anything to do with gender politics then you can take your discussion to /tat/.

She's got it bad.

They really dropped some bombshells in this ep.

There are so many problems with this race I wouldn't even know where to start lol. It's nice to see anime sometimes that don't take themselves too seriously and aren't afraid to toss logic completely out the window.

>>28555
This show really isn't very good, but I love how silly it is. Like that race and the goofy side characters.

This show feels a bit like a novelty and I expect a lot of people will probably watch it half ironically as such. Something like "Hey look at me I'm watching a real mahou shoujo anime, I'm a real otaku now!". It's played out mostly like your cliche magical girl anime you wouldn't think anyone would actually make these days, but sure enough here it is. There were moments in the first few ep that had me wondering if this was satire, but nah, I think they're completely serious with all of this. There's something really charming about that along with the innocent and purehearted vibe this show gives off. They know the genera is a bit of a joke and this whole anime is one big cliche, but they clearly don't care. That I think is pretty cool.

This is wrong on so many levels...

If they want to know who the Twin Angels are so badly, can't they just follow them home after a fight or something? I still can't decide if this show is trying to be serious or not, but it continues to be surprisingly fun.

>>28597
Mostly just on the level of adult autist perving on fourteen-year-olds. Somebody call Chris Hansen.

>>28598
That would be one level yes. I think it's a bit more fucked up for a guy in drag to be leading on a another guy and not say anything.

>>28599
Meh. That too, but Billy creeps me the hell out.

>>28600
I don't blame you. He seems like a violent crazy rapist in the making. The kind that kidnaps young girls and beats them up during autistic fits.

>>28599
But it's not like Yuki hides what he is. Everybody knows, except Billy, who's new (and very socially awkward).

>>28602
Yuki knew full well Billy was new and took advantage of that. Hiding what he is is exactly what he's doing by disguising himself as a girl.

>>28605
In the first episode, the first thing Yuki said to Meguru after his name was "I'm actually a boy, though." He isn't hiding or disguising anything. Billy's so busy being a genius he doesn't talk to anybody. He's also very poor at observation. Look at how he just decides (for reasons) that Yuki and Koromi must be Twin Angel.

>>28610
How do you look at this clumsy, spazzy girl and think she must be a superhero?

>>28612
Clearly an act designed to fool you!

>>28613
Could be. Like Darth Darth Binks.

>>28610
>the first thing Yuki said to Meguru after his name was "I'm actually a boy, though."
Yet he didn't say it to Billy.
>Billy's so busy being a genius he doesn't talk to anybody.
That's true, there's no need to tell some random loner you're a boy in drag if you've never spoken to him before. When that random loner confesses they have a crush on you though, that's when you should really tell them you're a guy. You don't just assume they already know something like that. You have a moral obligation to inform people romantically interested in you of the situation if you're going to partake in that sort of behavior and life style, it's cruel not to. It's also horrible to assume it's the victims fault for falling into a trap they had no way of knowing was there. God forbid the guy assumes someone who looks and acts like a girl is a girl. Would you have Billy ask every girl he meets if they have a penis?

>>28615
>You have a moral obligation
Haven't watched this anime nor plan to, but I'm confuse about the point you're making. If you're making a statement about real life, then you should probably refer to >>28420, if you're talking strictly about the situation depicted, then I'm pretty sure it's obvious fiction won't (nor has to) follow standards of morality within its story or its characters.

>>28617
>I'm pretty sure it's obvious fiction won't (nor has to) follow standards of morality within its story or its characters.
So in other words, Yuki (the trap) is a horrible person and we should just leave it at that?

>So in other words, Yuki (the trap) is a horrible person and we should just leave it at that?
What do you suggest? Should we go to J.C.Staff's offices and protest?

There are morally reproachable characters in a majority of anime; if all characters follow moral guidelines, a lot of plot opportunities and ideas would vanish.

>>28620
I'm not saying we should do anything about it. The point was >>28610 was trying to justify the trap's actions and pass the blame onto the victim. I simply believe that's wrong.

>>28621
>The point was >>28610 was trying to justify the trap's actions and pass the blame onto the victim.
I think that can be objectively understood by the viewer (subset I'm not included in), on the basis that once this character is revealed to the other one to be a trap, the reaction of the "victim" is what sets the tone of offence. If the victim doesn't care, neither should you, imo... because the target is the one who defines what bothers them, and judging from the screenshots, it seems it's all part of the plot... for some reason...

TL;DR - If the victim (Billy) turns out to be annoyed or mortified by the experience, then you're right and it's wrong... if he doesn't, then the other anon is right. It all depends on what the writers want.

P.D. - Discussions is from the context of the anime, not IRL.

Post edited on 29th Apr 2017, 3:33pm

>>28622
I can certainly see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with that logic. I believe it's wrong to commit a crime or misdeed regardless of weather or not the victim ends up being okay with it. For example; that's like saying it's okay to physically assault random people on the streets because they might find a fight fun. Sure it means no one is upset at the end of the day and there's no hard feelings, but why take the chance and attack someone who might not want to be punched in the face by a stranger on their way home from work? I don't believe there's any reason to take that chance, and common sense dictates most people would rather you not do that to them. Just as most men would rather not fall in love with a girl who turns out to have a dick. Billy might very well end up being okay with it, but that doesn't make the deceitfulness okay.

I don't mind taking this to /tat/ if you like since it is indeed getting very derailed from the anime.

>>28623
>most men would rather not fall in love with a girl who turns out to have a dick
>billy might very well end up being okay with it
But the thing is, Billy isn't in love with Yuki. He just wanted to distract him and Sheepina because he thought they were the Twin Angels. Sumire (who Billy actually likes, incidentally) and Meguru interpreted his note to Yuki as a love letter and rewrote it as such to "help." If anyone in this situation is being misled and likely to be hurt, it's Yuki.

>>28623
Look at it this way:

Anime guy A calls anime guy B a faggot. B punches A, A realizes he was a bit of a jerk and everything is cool and nobody cares aftewards. Turns out, legally, verbal provocation does not justify physical assault (which I agree with). A third person saw the "fight" and reported it to the police, which went to A and asked if he wanted to press charges. A says "no" and the matter is closed.

From a point of view, a crime happened.
>I don't mind taking this to /tat/ if you like
>since it is indeed getting very derailed from the anime.
I agree IRL that not disclosing you're trans is despicable, but we're discussing things within the context of the anime... and in the anime, since it's a work of fiction, and therefore has someone who writes the story... this Trap issue only becomes reproachable if the character that is the "victim" is written to decide for it to be reproachable.

>>28626
I don't see how this being a written story or work of fiction changes it compared to something that might have happened to you or a friend of yours. Maybe if this story took place in some alternate universe where everyone was bisexual $ gender fluid, then the usual rules wouldn't apply. This might be a rather silly lighthearted anime with magical element, but it still takes place on earth with human characters. The same rules apply them them until proven otherwise. Until they say that up is down, up will remain up. Likewise, until they demonstrate that traps leading on straight men is okay in their world, it will remain wrong.

>>28630
>Likewise, until they demonstrate that traps leading on straight men is okay in their world, it will remain wrong.
Indeed, but I'm playing devil's advocate because what matters is what Billy regards as wrong. Like the punching example, it's not only society-dependant, but individual-dependant. If the writers of the anime write that the character Billy, after the reveal, doesn't think it was wrong for the trap to hide that information... then for Billy, it isn't wrong, and at that point, within the anime, it's by default considered ok unless another characters states otherwise.

We agree on the notion (imho, fact) that a cross-dresser, transgender, etc. should disclose that information to someone that believes them to not have a gender discrepancy... but also each person decides what they consider offensive, reproachable, etc... like the myriad of main male characters who endure physical abuse from their present or future lovers: IRL it's wrong, but within an anime it is established as not being an issue, therefore it doesn't matter... and therefore within the world of that anime, beating the crap out of a male is deemed ok.

>>28632
>beating the crap out of a male is deemed ok.
Granted this is indeed true from what I've also seen, but I haven't seen any indication it's true for traps leading on straight men. In fact there was an anime a couple seasons back about a guy who got catfished online and it really screwed him up emotionally. The current season of precure meanwhile had a girl fall for someone she thought was a boy and she seemed really upset about it for a little while when they learned the truth. There was also Okabe who struggled with Urushibara in S;G due to finding them attractive but regretting they were male. Had Urushibara lead Okabe into a relationship in that anime then revealed latter they were male, Okabe likely would not have taken it well. I think I've seen other anime where characters are saddened to learn the person they're attracted to is of a different gender like the precure reference but I can't think of more off the top of my head. I think people confusing someone for a different gender is a common theme in anime yes, but not catfishing, and even then people seem disappointment more often than not when they learn the truth about someone they like. That said I can't think of any anime where someone decided they didn't care about the gender and went on with the relationship (there might be some though, I just haven't seen em), Although honestly considering the nature of this anime I would not be surprised if it did end up going in that direction.

>it's by default considered ok unless another characters states otherwise.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I believe it's the opposite, but I've already stated why I believe so. We'd likely just go back and forth endlessly at this rate.

>>28633
Can't argue with your reply's points. I can't even name (and even then) any other cross-dressers, traps or trans besides Lukako from S;G, the blonde kid from the Nyaruko series and the fellow from Tokyo Godfathers... which makes me unqualified to debate what the standard is regarding traps in anime and its involved customs. Maybe the white / silver-haired boy from Oregairu counts, but anyway... thanks for the chat.

>>28634
>thanks for the chat.
Right back at you anon.

>>28633
>there was an anime a couple seasons back about a guy who got catfished online and it really screwed him up emotionally
Netoge no Yome wa Onna no Ko Janai to Omotta?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_You_Thought_There_Is_Never_a_Girl_Online%3F

this show is nasty

>>28639
Ep04 was a bit weird because of it's subplot with the trap, but it's not a reflection of the main series.

Wow, after all that they pull a cop out like this in the very next ep.

The seemingly normal girl kinda stands out. From left to right you've got a trap, a sheep girl, a mahou shoujo, and a chuunibyou, so... what's the last girl's deal?

>>28704
oppai

>>28705
I dunno, maybe. They don't really seem big enough to be that much of a gimmick.

>>28706
Maybe those wouldn't be especially big on an adult but aren't these girls like thirteen?

>>28704
Maybe her normalcy is her weird gimmick.

>>28707
>her normalcy is her gimmock
That was my thought too.

Is the sheep girl prominent enough in the episodes to make this worth watching sololy for her?

>>28709
Probably not. As a huge admirer of Koromi, I wish she got more screen time.

>>28709
Not at all. I think she has had like four or five lines so far.

She acts like an American lol.

Well, that was sudden and unnecessarily dark. What the fuck, Ant-Butt?

for a second there, I thought he had been reading/watching too much Orimo.

I just assumed that was so people could wash their hands, and so the thing wouldn't get misplaced.

>>28895
It's probably to keep bullies from making the fat kid eat it.

>>28915
The bullies can't just untie it?

>>28916
Nope. Most bullies are stupid.

That was a pretty big flag if I ever saw one.

Finally got around to finishing this. I must say, I feel kind of sorry for Kurumi. Things worked out fine for the other girls but she got stuck in that hedghog mode again for whatever reason. She didn't seem to complain but I couldn't imagine living like that.