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26438 No. 26438 [Edit]
Some douche deleted the old thread so might as well start over.
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>> No. 26439 [Edit]
I wonder if her family members ever ask why she built such a large, elaborate (and ugly) doll house without any dolls.
>> No. 26464 [Edit]
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It took forever but it's nice to see they finally introduced another character who can see the cocotama too.
>> No. 26784 [Edit]
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"I live, I die, I live again!"
>> No. 26809 [Edit]
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2D pig disgusting.
>> No. 26887 [Edit]
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Kinda surprised she doesn't carry a whistle or alarm for this kinda of thing.
>> No. 27399 [Edit]
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I can't believe this is almost over, I'm gonna miss this show.
>> No. 27702 [Edit]
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We're going for 100ep!
>> No. 27716 [Edit]
I didn't think anyone knew about this anime except me
>> No. 27722 [Edit]
That makes two of us!
>> No. 27861 [Edit]
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I wouldn't mind if this show went on forever. It would never get old.
>> No. 27894 [Edit]
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Nice to see the subs have progressed as much as they have.
Gotta say, it was weird watching this with subs after doing more than 50ep raw.
>> No. 27895 [Edit]
i think it's safe to say that the the users of this site are adult men, so i assume the posters in this thread are as well. okay so i have to ask, why are you watching this show?

i'm sorry if that sounds rude, but i'm genuinely confused. do you watch this satirically? or for the moe? i mean, i adore moe anime, but the shows i watch, like stella no mahou, are written for adult men like myself so they play to the sensibilities, interests, and understanding of adults. on the other hand, you have this show; it could be argued it's moe, but it is written exclusively for children so i don't understand what the appeal is in something like this.
>> No. 27896 [Edit]
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You may find this hard to believe, but none of us are you.

I'm being serious here. None of us like all of the same things you like, and there may be some things that you don't like that we like.

Also, have you tried watching the show? How do you know you don't like it?
The show being simple enough for a 5-year old to understand the plot does not mean it's bad, or that non-5-year olds will not like it.
>> No. 27897 [Edit]
I knew that my post might be seen as derogatory or incendiary, but to reiterate, that was not my intent.

I know none of you are me. We all have divergent and unique tastes in all aspects of our lives and I am perfectly aware that I have my interests and preferences and you have yours. It is because we have different interests that I am asking such seemingly basic questions about your preferences. You obviously have different preferences than I do, and I am interested in understanding them.

I don't want to start a flame war, and I don't want to offend anyone. I am not seeking to patronize anyone over the demographic their anime is aimed toward. I am merely curious as to the appeal of this show.

For the sake of perspective:

When I was a kid, I watched Batman the Animated Series. As an adult, I still re-watch the show with regularity. Unlike other shows from my childhood, which have nothing to offer but nostalgia, Batman the Animated series, while written for children and made to be superficially understandable to children, is full of adult subtext and themes, good writing, great animation, and complex and sympathetic characters. There are many reasons to watch it both for adults, and children. This is why I love this show; there is so much more than nostalgia to enjoy.

So, why are you watching kamisama minarai: himitsu no cocotama? It obviously has appeal to you, and I am merely curious what that is for you.
>> No. 27898 [Edit]
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OP here, and person doing most of the posting in this thread as well as for other similar shows like Rilu Rilu Fairilu.
Your confusing/question is fair and justified and I'll try to be honest.
I suppose to put it simply, I enjoy the innocent nature of shows like this. A lot of "mature" anime is vial, depraved, and grotesque. I'd say "mature" anime tends to be some of the most immature stuff out there. Sure there's cute/moe stuff made for older men like myself pushing 30, but not only have I seen most of those already but they have a tendency to have perverted undertones here and there like in urara merichou for example. I kind of take solace in seeing something good and sweet and nice, free of any corruption while knowing for an absolute hard fact you'll never see adult themes in them. You'll never see panty shots in cocotama, yuri undertones, or jokes only older people would understand. Don't get me wrong though, Shows like stella no mahou are great, if anything anime like this help fill the gap those leave off. Even if it's not really the same thing. In the case of shows like precure however it almost is the same thing, at least for the first half of each ep. The second halves involve repetitive monster of the week battles, but about 65-75% of each ep is slice of life gold, at the transformation outfits are cute too anyways. Besides, these shows do tend to have cute girls too for that moe factor. Add onto that these shows last 50 or more ep, so you don't get those ep13 blues that you do from SoL made for older folks.
These are also no brainier shows with simple story lines that you don't need to think much about. That makes them pretty relaxing and stress free. Which isn't unlike adult SoL anime. Where as anime that tries to take itself seriously more often than not fails at doing so, while coming across as painfully stupid.
Also, they're surprisingly lacking in cliche you would find in anime for older people. There's no falling and grabbing someone's boobs, no walking in on someone naked in the bathroom, or countless other things you see in anime over and over and over again. To be fair they do tend to have their own set of cliche.
Because these anime are so simple, they can be easier to understand in raw form than normal anime would be. They used a simpler form of japanese which would be equivalent to western shows talking slowly while using small words. If you want to learn the language it can help.
Lastly as weird as this might sound, it's very reassuring and comforting to see shows aimed at children trying to teach good values. From what I've noticed, western media has been going down the gutter in terms of morality and depravity, with a lot of that effecting cartoons too. I forget what it was called but the last one someone asked me to watch was a rather dark and moody one that seemed to really push the pg rating. So it's nice seeing them teaching good clean things to kids in a bright, fun, and happy environment. Almost makes me feel like there's still hope for this world.

tldr: It's not as fun or silly as something like yuru yuri, but it's innocent and pure which makes it relaxing and charming.
>> No. 27899 [Edit]
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>coco park
There is a shopping mall and party zone in China named like that. Coincidence?
>> No. 27900 [Edit]
It's the fucking Illuminati, I knew it!
>> No. 27902 [Edit]

First, let me be very explicit about this, because it seems to be a common misunderstaning: by no means do we watch these shows 'sarcastically' or 'ironically'. I'm usually vary of projecting my opinions on others but in this particular case I'm pretty confident I speak for all of us.

I've seen a couple dozens of anime for little girls (and they're usually 50 eps if not more mind you) and I'm following PreCure, Aikatsu and picked up Saint Tail recently. I don't follow this show in particular but it's not really a question related to Kami-sama Minarai so I don't think it matters much.

'Moe' is no doubt one of the factors. Most of these anime feature predominantly female casts. In fact significant male characters are very rare, and if they appear they're almost always love interests. As stated before I have seen my fair share of little girls' cartoons and I struggle to come up with a single one where the male characters introduced are just friends with the girls, EVEN if they show is about elementary schoolers. This kind of gender segergation is a Japanese thing I guess, looking back on my school days the circles of friends that formed were usually pretty coed.
Anyway, the point is there are lot of cute girls around, and they do cute things, so this aspect is pretty much the same as your usual SoL.

Now, as far as 'they play to the sensibilities, interests, and understanding of adults' is concerned. While this is true it's a double edged sword. The writing of the SoL series is by no means 'adult'. In fact, it's extremely infantile, in my opinion moreso than the writing of most kids' shows. Since it's a means of escapism the characters usually live in a perfect bubble world with no real hardship, where every day is filled with smiles and laughter. Now I'm not criticizing this, I'm sure I must've watched over 100 CGDCT shows by now, but let's try to look at it a bit more objectively.

Moreover, since they 'play to the sensibilities [and] interests (...) of adults' the characters are created specifically to carter to the tastes of said adults to fuel the sales of the source material itself as well as character merchandise. It's basically pandering. And with the male lense in perspective the pandering often results in looking at the girls as members of opposite sex. While it's not that common the characters gets sexualized sometimes (onsen/beach episodes are the for a reason, as is breast envy and the like).

On the other hand girls' cartoons don't have to pander to men like that because they have a different audience. The characters in little girls' anime are either made to be relatable to the audience or as role models they could look up to. Sometimes it's just a 'cute, likeable girl' but even that is at least on the level of SoL. What I consider to be the key difference kicks in now: the characters don't have to be perfect, and they're allowed to make mistakes, AND the characters themselves matter less than their actions. You'll see the girls argue with each other then reconcile, and make other mistakes and learn lessons from them. They learn about friendship quite often. In seinen SoLs this aspect is rarely touched upon: you're left wondering what the relationship dynamics are between the characters. It seems all 4/5 are 'friends' and that's all you get. It's natural that the relationship wouldn't be equal among all of them, both on the 'intensivity' side (you'll be closer to some people than others) as well as the nature of the friendship (i.e. one character being a scatterbrain but energetic and optimistic, and the other being responsible but without any self confidence).

Now, don't get me wrong. Not all little girls' anime are so perfect. Some have no morals for the viewers and no message to convey. With seinen CGDCT they'll usually hold my attention in one what or another regardless. Little girls' cartoons are much more hit and miss. The worst ones are really bad and seem to have nothing going for them. The opposite is also true and there are some gems among them. Many of them have some extra aspect besides just CGDCT - monster of the week, competitions, reverse harem. That helps them a bit, if you're into the theme of course.

So TL;DR: the appeal of little girls' cartoons is the fact that they're NOT written for adult men. They avoid the pitfalls of that thinking, and deliver cuteness geared for little girls, along with characters that aren't created to pander to men and some simple but valuable life lessons. They are quite often simply well made pieces of anime.
>> No. 27908 [Edit]
thanks for the answers.

i understand the appeal: escape from tropes of other genres, no contrived fan service, no pandering to male sensibilities.
>> No. 27909 [Edit]
You forgot: Innocent and wholesome writing and depictions, and, barely any (or none) political or religious agenda.

I don't really watch series like this one and PreCure though, for the record.
>> No. 27969 [Edit]
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>They learn about friendship quite often. In seinen SoLs this aspect is rarely touched upon: you're left wondering what the relationship dynamics are between the characters. It seems all 4/5 are 'friends' and that's all you get. It's natural that the relationship wouldn't be equal among all of them, both on the 'intensivity' side (you'll be closer to some people than others)
That's a nice point there. In seinen anime characters really do seem to spontaneously become friends almost as soon as they meet without reason or any conflict.
kodomo anime like this one typically depict the main characters with per-established friendships then have them introduced to someone who shares in their special abilities or also takes part in whatever the show is about. They're a person the character can relate to on a deeper level than their other normal friends, and often have to overcome their differences before realizing this.
In the case of Kamisama minarai, the main character didn't meet another person who could see cocotama until ep26. ( >>26464 ) However, they had very conflicting personalities and opinions. They didn't start to really be friends till a bit latter on. It was a friendship that required a bit of work to make. Now they seem closer than the main character does with their old friends.
>> No. 28027 [Edit]
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Great ep!
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Oh what a day! what a lovely day!!
>> No. 28693 [Edit]
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What the shit?!
>> No. 28741 [Edit]
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I died.
>> No. 28825 [Edit]
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This is how you know you're watching a kids show!
>> No. 32923 [Edit]
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This series in a eggshell.
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>> No. 33170 [Edit]
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American health care system in a nutshell.
>> No. 33171 [Edit]
Yeah but only if every spin costs you $5,000
>> No. 33354 [Edit]
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Kokoro is a miracle of the universe.
>> No. 35488 [Edit]
Artwork from cocotama animator Akiko Nagashima, being one of many childrens shows she has worked on apparently. Might be a bit old now but finding this was nice to see that some people working on things like this have real passion for it and keep it close to them.
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>> No. 35491 [Edit]
Bit of additional info I noticed recently, Wasurenai has just started releasing subs for the Mono no Kamisama Cocotama series, which are the web shorts that came after the main two series. etc.
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