>>23356
Jojo gave him Dio's blood to bring him back from the dead.

>>23357
Oh, then, I have no idea. I didn't watch the anime and forgot that that happened since I'm only remembering bits of it from when I read the manga.

Maybe Dio has to do some other special thing for it to work that they didn't show. Like: rubbing his crotch and mumbling broken gibberish in Gaelic, or something.

Jojo Part 4 ED - Ending JoJo Diamond is Unbreakable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgFbiPQNN9Q

that hair transformation when his stand comes out

I didn't follow part 4 as it was airing because I wanted to wait on the BDs, but I said to hell with it and decided to start marathoning this yesterday. Seemes the BDs didn't really fix or change much anyway. Apparently this just finished airing too so I guess it was good timing.

One of the first things I noticed was the obnoxious way they still rename all the stands for English speakers, almost forgot they did that for the previous parts. I get some of them are for possible copyright issues since they're usualy band/song names, but many are so obscure or simple common words/names so it doesn't make any sense to change them. pic related, Who's gonna sue them for typing out the word "surface"?

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I'm 20 ep into jojo part4 and... it's not very good lol.
It's really lacking substance. There's no over arching objective, threat, or goal.
It's just a lot of pointless dicking around. They had a rather straight forward premise set up early on but took care of it far far too quickly. It was nothing special but the mystery of who's creating stand users was much better than having absolutely nothing at all to tie things together. After that got resolved it became like watching and waiting and wondering if they're gonna establish a new over arching villain/goal for the characters.
Which I guess sort of came in the form of some random murder who feels very detached from the main characters, and is treated like a minor sub plot at best in a show that has no main plot.
Also, I find the setting very boring. they went from traveling the globe, to keeping everything in a small generic Japanese town. It's hard to switch from watching as they're traversing deserts and oceans while fighting for their lives, to watching characters go to and from school while occasionally getting into wacky hijinks on the way.
I thought it was neat at first they brought back part3's jojo, but then they had him sit in a hotel room jerking off and doing nothing for half the season. As of ep 20 the only episode he's really done much of anything in is one where they go hunt a rat of all things. Meanwhile part2's jojo shows up and as soon as he does they literally have him playing babysitter and nothing else.
They repeatedly bring out what seem like interesting villains, then kill them off or BEFRIEND them Nanoha style within an ep or two, most going with the befriending direction..
While I know nothing about jojo is supposed to be taken too seriously or read too much into, I still can't help but notice they're extremely inconsistent with the main character's power. They can repair stuff which is all well and goo, but they made a very clear point that he warps and distorts the things he repairs. That distortion thing only seemed to happen within the first couple ep after that only happened randomly. It's like the writer figured it'd be more convenient to have the power repair stuff normally and retconed it while not even being half way into the series yet. In general it feels very much like the result of a writer who used up all his best ideas on their previous works.
To be fair I will say the art, sound, animation, and over all style is great quality stuff. The substance just isn't there.

we running in the 90s over here!

>>27584
jojo's is a comedy anime

Just finished it. I like how part 2's jojo showed up early on so he could use his ability to find someone who showed themselves as soon as he arrived anyway. Then did absolutely nothing at all aside from kidnapping a baby. Then while much of the second half of the anime revolved around trying to find someone else he was nowhere to be found.

>>27608
Maybe so, but I don't believe it's intentional.
In this season things were so over the top silly and ridiculous that I could 'almost' believe it was intended, but it didn't feel like it was meant to be a comedy to me. There's no shortage of hilarious moments sure, but things seemed far too dark, gritty, and violent for this to be a comedy for one. The very first villain was introduced as someone who liked to rape and kill people, including children. You've got to have a twisted sense of humor to include something like that into your comedy. Besides, comedies tend to be episodic with actual jokes or funny situations. This was around half episodic half serial and there wasn't much in the way of actual jokes, the focus here was largely on action. The humor mainly came from "are you serious" moments, the kind found in movies that are "so bad they're good". I think the best proof of this is the main character's retconned power. They originally had him distort things he fixed which could have been a comedy gold mine, but it was changed to be more practical and usefully in and out of fights.

Time to keep this thread alive now that Part 5 has an anime.

They renamed Sticky Fingers to zipper head in the subs? why the fuck would you do that?!?

>>31932
US Copyright law reasons.

They'd open themselves to the right owners of that rolling stone's album wanting a royalty or flatly having them remove all episodes containing those words.

If it was just a small handful of stands, they probably would've went through the hasstle to get permission, but due to the sheer number of stands and all of them being in the same boat, it wouldn't make much sense.

Sadly, the references to REO Speedwagon and the Cars are going to be the exception, especially now that the references start to get numerous.

>>31933
Yes we all know the bizarre excuse they use, but you can't copy right generic words/phrases. Reasons why should be pretty obvious.
https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/can-single-word-copyrighted-9327.html
The only thing more insane than trying to sue someone for using a word like "surface", is actually thinking you'll get sued for using it.
By that same logic we might as well all stop using the word "it", less we get sued by Stephen King.

>>31934
The key word there being "generic".
For a few of the one-woders, it is a bit of a stretch, but it may still fall under the term 'generic'. Cars and Speedwagon were weak examples.

How does an iconic album name count as 'generic'?
What about when everything about the stand is a reference, such as killer queen's attack Bites the dust?

It also starts to get a lot more direct than previous parts starting with golden wind and continues through stone ocean. How well do Green Day, Spice Girl, and Marilyn Manson pass the 'generic' test?


Also, lawsuits are expensive to the point where it makes very little business sense to willfully open yourself to some sleezy lawyer acting on behalf of one of the large production/record companies filing a lawsuit and then asking to settle it before trial for a low cost of half a million dollars plus court fees.

>>31935
Seriously?
They're not going to waste their time and money on frivolous lawsuits that they have little or nothing to gain from. It wouldn't even make it to the settlement stage as any judge would dismiss the case on the spot.
The bullying tactics you describe are used by big corporations to subdue competition. In realty, no one cares if you mention the name of a movie book or what have you. This is how modern day film and tv are able to casually reference other works. Depending on how they reference the works it could be considered slander, but there is no legal president in simply mentioning the name of a band, character, movie ect. This is why youtube videos get copyright strikes from playing clips/audio from copy written materials but not from mentioning the name of those materials. If what you say were even possible, review series (both amatuer and professional)would not exist. This is simply a case of CR being needlessly paranoid, nothing more nothing less.

>How does an iconic album name count as 'generic'?
Popularity of the material has little baring in this situation, you can't copyright a generic (1-2 common words) phrase regardless of how popular your material is. Michael jackson's "bad" album is one of the most iconic albums out there, but would you get sued if you named your character Bad and gave him a stand named Speed Demon? No because those are generic terms and the very idea is silly. By generic I of course mean commonly used words.

As for your examples, yes I'd say "green day" just like "red day" or "blue day" is generic, it's a color + day, that's about as generic as you can get, same for spice girl. A person's name however in the case of Marilyn Manson, would be a different matter. You 'can' however possibly get into trouble if you create an actual band and name it similar to a pre-existing band because this would be misleading, but that is not the case in Jojo.

"Titles are not subject to copyright protection"
- Andrew K Jacobson, Intellectual Property Lawyer

"Titles are NOT copyrightable, so there is no chance of protecting it by copyright."
- Todd Lowry, former Director of Business Affairs at Hal Leonard Publishing (1991-1996)

https://www.quora.com/Do-Music-album-names-have-a-copyright

>>31933
umm, I don't think that's how royalty works?

>>31936
I think it's worth pointing out also that the characters are still saying the names, out-loud, in english. Altering the subtitles wouldn't really change anything or protect CR if this were indeed an issue.

>>31944
>Altering the subtitles wouldn't really change anything or protect CR if this were indeed an issue.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Hypothetically speaking -IF- mentioning the names actually were an issue, CR could possible get away with claiming they only made the subs and had nothing to do with the creative process behind the audio/video and as such pass blame onto the original creators.

>>31944
>Altering the subtitles wouldn't really change anything or protect CR if this were indeed an issue.

Not quite.
CR is only legally responsible for the stuff that CR adds -- this includes subs and the english dub (funi is in the same boat, and has done similar things for similar reasons).

CR has a license from the JP company to use the JP work (jojo) in the USA, but not a license to use the reference/homage in the USA. if the sleezy lawyer wanted the JP work to remove the reference/homage, they would need to do so through the JP law system (the reference/homage is a valid use in JP law, so this would fail pretty fast).

Oh, now would probably be a good time to note: the english stuff added by CR also crosses over to EU copyright laws as well, where Freedom of Speech is not a protected right. The renaming of stuff helps stove off two birds with one stone.

>>31945
>sue, CR could possible get away with claiming they only made the subs and had nothing to do with the creative process behind the audio/video and as such pass blame onto the original creators.
It's the other way around actually. An audio visual work can be easily shown to be non-infringing or even transformative use, and thus not actionable under almost any copyright regime. On the other hand subtitles may not be counted as transformative. I recall there was a case a while back where someone who made subtitles was sued, the claim being something like that the subtitles were identical to a copyrighted work of text (the script) and thus were infringing. That said subs are translations, so I dunno how that would be handled, still in the case of anything relating to the subtitles CR would almost certainly be the ones in hot water.

Anyways, there's no telling why they did it. It could even be something completely different such as CR trying to get the music labels that own the copyrights to toss them some cash for brand promotion, and when they didn't they wrote out the names.

>>31947
>there's no telling why they did it
CR is a company founded on illegal activity and business practices which relaunched and has since been trying to stay clean while projecting a clean image . Even though album tittles can not be copy write protected, They likely don't want to take any chances.

What a Bizarre song to use for part 5's ending theme.

Just started watching Part 5, on episode 2 now. Didn't read the manga so I'm pretty much going blind.
Giorno's stand seems like the most bullshit one so far, can't wait to see what kind of stunts he will pull off with it.

>>31984

That is very much true, but now we start getting into the stands with more abstract abilities with lots of bullshit all around.

>>31994
Yeah this part stands seem to have evolved a lot from mere "punch ghosts", its really entertaining even if it allows for (even) more asspulls.

I'm just glad this part doesn't revolve around a Japanese highschool kid and their afterschool antics. That alone makes it better than part 4 by default in my eyes.

I guess these guys didn't get the memo.

Has someone really so far been as to sub it anime were one like to do more like this?

>>32021
I think my head is hurting

Anyone could have done what he did by tossing some sort of poison into the drink. A stand wasn't required, let alone his stand specifically.

This is probably the most bullshit thing I have seen on JoJo until now and that's saying a lot

These guys mostly want money at the end of the day right? So why aren't they using their powers to say, rob banks or something?

>>32046
Yeah I think that damaged my brain.

>>32047
Its JoJo, they must find the most complicated way of doing things.

What the hell happened after part3 that caused all jojo characters to start dressing like flamboyant retards?

>>32220
During the great age of the sexual revolution in the late 80's, the editor at the time let the mangaka out of the closet.

don't lose all hope though, you will see the throw back to his earlier style of manly bara in part 7.

>>32239
That's interesting to know. I had no idea but it does make perfect sense.

Fucking hell! How many fucking times has this fucking fucked fucker been fucking shot already? What the fuck?!

"have her go into the building alone, no body guards should even step onto the island."
See, what's all he needed to say.

>>32389
You gotta hand it to the boss. He knows what he's doing.

Why doesn't Green day effect this guy again?

>>32932

The bodysuit protects him.

>>32933
Shouldn't he get mold in his face then?

>>32934
It's Jojo, stop trying to use your brain.

I was digging his cyber punk look.

>>32934
It's sort of implied that some stands users can choose who their passive abilities affect. The rules aren't set in stone, so pretty much anything works.

no news about part 9?

>>36091
I honestly forgot all about it until you mentioned it.

I've been thinking recently about the nature of evil. All the events of this show are instigated or inspired by the ambitions of one man who is inspired...who is not satisfied with the common path in life. When Dio is offered the opportunity to gain powers beyond the ordinary man's wildest dreams, he takes it with both hands. He recognises the limits of the form that he inhabits and he glady transcends them.

Meanwhile, Jonathon spends his time on youthful fancies and is quite a boring and ignorant character until he is forced to surpass himself by Dio. And this improvement is the weight that Dio takes upon himself! His passion overflows to the entirety of the human race and forces them to either die or improve themselves! And in the end he is destroyed by his passion but not before performing his great work.

Good requires a certain inheritence from evil in order to truly be good. At the end of part 1 Jonathan mentions to Erina that he did it all to protect her world but the truth is that he did not protect it at all! The world had to be altered, to be improved before Jonathon could truly protect it. Dio dragged Jonathon to a higher level of conciousness and that conciousness also emanates down to Erina. The old world has been annihilated! That is the nature of evil! I, too, can feel this passion running through my veins!!!

I also have been feeling an urge recently to take bizzare postures and hand movements when I talk. Does anyone know what that's about?