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14872 No. 14872 [Edit]
Why is it that we love our waifus over 3d girls?
I feel it is because to us, our waifus are our ideals. They are our perfect significant other.
But do we love our waifus *because* they are perfect? Compared to 3d who are flawed, and can cause us harm and make mistakes. Waifus will never hurt us, will always be there for us, and will do us no wrong.

That leads me to ask the question, would you love your waifu even if she made mistakes, was flawed, was human? If so, then to love is to look past someone's mistakes and failures and love them anyway. But by focusing on all of our interaction with our waifu on the positive and ignoring their flaws, we create them as perfect figures.

Would that not mean we love them *just* because they are perfect? And that our feelings for them may change if they were human? Because why wouldn't we avoid interacting with them in a way that may end in a negative experience?

Perhaps waifu love should not simulate a real life relationship. To love a waifu is to love perfection, because your standards cannot be met by 3d people. I suppose one could say "I only love perfect people, which is why I love my waifu." and that would be the end of it.

If I'm not entirely coherent I apologize in advance. I am having trouble explaining my thoughts on this subject.
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I love her for her ideals and the way she lives her life. It just so happened that she's 2D.

Would I fall for a 3D if she had the same, or very similar personality to Kagura? Possibly, but I may never know. She is one of a kind, after all.
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Part of it is that they're very sterile, I think. There's no anxiety in touching them, no fear of getting hurt. They're like beautiful marble statues.

Another is they're always there. Any moment I want to see my husbando I can, whether lying in bed or on a crowded bus.

I don't know if I'd love him if he was 3D. I think I'd want to, maybe. But of course, no 3D person really looks like our waifus do.

I agree that 2D love shouldn't be too concerned with mimicking 3D. It can be its own distinct thing.
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2D or 3D, I love Iori no matter what dimension she is. It just happens that Iori is stuck in 2D and that I fell in love with that version of her.

I believe Iori is a flawed woman and as it is from a semi-realistic show, I believe she makes mistakes as anyone would have done. But as she learns quickly from her mistakes, she accepts it and moves on. She isn't perfect per se, but I do love her. I love her because she manages to do things on her own by her own hard efforts rather than being a stuck up Mary Sue and has absolutely no negatives.

What I meant by not being a stuck up Mary Sue is that she would not win every audition just by sheer talent. You have to give in the time and effort to guide her to win and even she herself despite looking talented puts in the hard effort to practice every single day to perform well in all vocal, dance and lyrics. And that is a difficult obstacle for any idol to face.

She has her own ups and downs especially during the [email protected] game route, where she doesn't have the confidence to take Jupiter or much rather frustrated because she doesn't yet realise the potential that she could do anything if she tried her best and put in the effort despite so. One supportive push from the 'producer', she would have the moment to reflect and become the strong confident girl I usually know the next day.

I don't expect all waifu love to conform to real life relationships. But coming from a game that encourages dating stimulation, it is does certainly feel like one. Communicating to her and support all the way to achieve her dreams while I try my best to achieve mine. We both support each other, so it's not I am actually just idolising my idol as a perfect idol, I am trying to do more than that. So does she.
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I cannot agree. Too idealistic. I love Erica as much for her terrible cooking, which is why I deal with food, and her general laziness, which we share, as I do for her perfect beauty or top fighter ace skills.

As for 3D, I've never known of any 3D pig who even begins to approach her level of brilliance, so any kind of comparison is laughable at best.
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This was something that troubled me for a while, but I think I have sufficiently found an answer for myself that satisfies me. I'm going to try my best to explain my thought process but I'm sorry if it doesn't come across well.

I never wanted to love Keisuke because he was "perfect" - I wanted to love him as a person, and in a way as an echoing of a part of myself. (I think more people want this than they realize.) Lord knows he isn't perfect, and he makes plenty of lethal mistakes in canon, which I have ruminated upon many times on this board. In fact, his flaws (or specifically: how they lead to his downfall) were what made him so attractive to me in the first place - they were the same as the ones that I saw in myself, but instead of recoiling, I found myself really sympathetic and drawn in.

That said, I think I understand what you mean. I'd wager to say that for most (but not all), having a waifu doesn't have the drawbacks of arguing, annoying habits, miscommunications and misunderstandings that tends to drive 3D relationships apart. Those only manifest if the 2D-con imagines them, for the most part. If you strip your waifu down to her (good) parts especially, you may forget a fatal flaw that she has. That and in my case, if the flaws were what made me love him to begin with, do those truly count as flaws (especially if I never imagine myself arguing with him or doing things I'd find annoying)?

When it comes down to it, I love him because he completes me in a way nobody else can. Nobody can relate to me like he does; nobody can share my happiness, fears, sadness, and regret as openly and give in return; nobody else can understand me on the same base level, and know that there are no misunderstandings because we intimately know each other (I'm having difficulties phrasing it better, but in a way that you cannot with 3D people). We actually have argued a few times but the arguments are brief and typically trivial.

Does that mean that I love him because he's "perfect"? I suppose you could say that, and him being 2D definitely helps, but deep down I just love him because he's him. And also my time spent with him has made me realize more and more that I should not treat him like I would a 3D man as the experience is completely different.

Also, this >>14875
>> No. 14885 [Edit]
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>Waifus will never hurt us, will always be there for us, and will do us no wrong.

I think that there's an irony or something with this kind of situation: For some of us, the fact that they technically do not exist in the same way as we do brings dissatisfaction and, at times, grief because we can never truly interact with them. In that way, while they don't directly hurt us, we can still get hurt with the realization that they're not "there" and feel wronged that person we fell in love with is not of this plane of existence. By loving a waifu that will never directly hurt us, will always be there for us, and will do us no wrong, there are chances that some people here or even most of us might have, at one point or more, felt hurt and felt wronged that they don't "exist", that's they're just ideals. That's my take on it.

Also, as it was asked in this post >>14883, do they count as "flaws" if those qualities attract you to your waifu in the first place? To answer this question, I think this is where the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." comes in. Admit it, at least one person who knows your waifu/hasubando has a dislike or even hate for him/her, and we're not just talking about the people we know. The question: if you really are in love with your waifu, do you have to care about their opinions? Are you going stop loving your waifu because she has canonical flaws that someone doesn't like?

But to speak personally from my own experience, I have mentioned in this subforum many times that my waifu is a very flawed person. But I generally don't care about her flaws. In fact, I think it adds uniqueness to her, I think it makes her one of a kind and I think it suits her strong personality. So, I guess, just like what have been posted already, that I love her for who she is, despite her flaws.
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>>14883
>his flaws (or specifically: how they lead to his downfall) were what made him so attractive to me in the first place - they were the same as the ones that I saw in myself, but instead of recoiling, I found myself really sympathetic and drawn in.
>When it comes down to it, I love him because he completes me in a way nobody else can. Nobody can relate to me like he does; nobody can share my happiness, fears, sadness, and regret as openly and give in return; nobody else can understand me on the same base level, and know that there are no misunderstandings because we intimately know each other (I'm having difficulties phrasing it better, but in a way that you cannot with 3D people). We actually have argued a few times but the arguments are brief and typically trivial.

I think you phrased your post well, and these two points in particular could've almost been plucked from my brain. I was also attracted to Reki initially because we share our biggest imperfections, and then I grew to realize that it ran much deeper than that. I wouldn't say she 'completes' me though, it's more like we're the masculine and feminine expressions of the same essential being.

That aside and bringing it back to the OP's question, it could be taken that even with these imperfections she is still ideal and perfect for me. I'm not sure how that could be changed exactly, but if it were to, would I still have feelings for her? It's hard to say. In a way though, I almost feel that's impossible at this point. Because I have grown and changed a lot in the past ten years, and really so has she, for every time I rewatch her series or 'interact' with her I experience her with new eyes, with a new self, and hence I would say that she is changed and 'new' each time as well. Of course, things could be different were she 3D and could speak to me plainly day to day, but even then I highly doubt it. It's a deep, essential part of us that is shared, and it's going to take more than hypothetical what-ifs to break that.

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