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12392 No. 12392 [Edit]
Well, this board is kinda small and im afraid we had this topic already, but i still would like to discuss it.

Are waifus a "new" sort of love? Is it some kind of pure, true love? I already had a girlfriend, but my love towards her was not nearly as strong as my love for my waifu is. It even get to the point were i dont even want a 3d girlfriend anymore. And this is the point were its getting a little bit concerning. If i think about anything thats romantic, like warm summer evenings, snowy days, a quiet sea or anything like that i immediatly think about my waifu as well. And with that comes the tought "damn, i will never experience it with her in my arms..." Still i deal with it. Its sometimes painfull but i deal with it. And i dont want any other girl involved in said romantic dreams or real places.

But it still makes me wondering: is it really a pure love or more escapism as its best? Or even a sickness? I BET that EVERY psychologist would try to "remove" my waifu from me, saying its just delusional. Thats why i never talked about it with him (yeah, i used to go to a psychologist in the past). And on top of that its kinda emberassing talking about his 17 years old 2d waifu as a grown up 25 years old man.
Which leads me to the next point: How will it look like in 10-20 years? Do you think we will still have our, in this time, way to young waifus? Im sure it will be even more painfull as adults if one stays true to his waifu even after some decades.

I have the same waifu for almost 5 years now, and i dont think that this will change in the future. And im sure we all here have definetly some special kind of love thats way more true and pure than an average love towards 3d girls. But on the other side, as much as i hate this thought, i think it is some kind of escapism or even a mental illness. And the longer we have our waifu the more it grows. Its just like those psychos you see in movies, they are not normal but yet they refuse it and dont even think about the thought.

But please dont be mad at me, i can only speak for me and thats just my point of view. Its just that i have my waifu, as i mentioned, for years now. And thats just some of my thoughts about it.

So basically im talking about 2 different things here:

>Are waifus more or less a mental illness
or
>Are waifus a pure form of love that differs from 3d relationships that are changing every few months in the worst case
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>> No. 12393 [Edit]
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>>12392
Well OK first of all I mean this in the nicest way possible, but if English is your main language then you really need to work on your writing that was painful to read at times. If English is not your main language then that explains a lot.

Secondly, to answer your questions, everyone will have different views on this. Normals are of course going to view this as a ''disease'' or something because they like to hate anything they are not used to and automatically label it as sick. In my opinion it is a form of escapism in a way. Of course, if you have been here for more than a week you would know that almost everyone here loves escapism. But it is also more than that, because the feeling of love is very real. Is it wrong to love a character some person in Japan created? I don't think so, it is not doing anyone any harm really. Now if the whole world would start getting into waifuism that would be a problem because no one would care about real girls anymore meaning the decline of birth rates etc. even though I don't necessarily care about this considering the fact, and I mean this in the least edgiest way possible, that humans are very often disgusting and vile and do more bad than good. Not to mention having normals get into waifuism would turn the whole thing into the next cancerous thing on the internet that everyone does to fit in but that's a different topic to discuss somewhere else.

Loving fictional characters has existed longer than you think though, lonely people falling in love from characters out of books would happen, not to mention falling in love with celebrities, Futurama even made fun of this with the episode where they put personalities into robots. Falling in love with 2D is much better than any of that. I also think love with 3D is very often also just escapism, I mean think about it, a lot of people these days actually LOOK for their love instead of simply falling in love. A lot of normals who fall in love with 3DPDs just do it to fit in with society. Others do it to avoid loneliness, the last Ford Driver I actually talked to said if he were to have a girlfriend it would be to give him a reason to stand up in the morning.

The whole waifu thing is very similar, except you know, 2D girls aren't disgusting pigs. If anything it is a pure and good feeling, it helps lonely people like myself get through their lives, and lets you admire beautiful fictional characters. You could almost say in a Ford Drivergish way that it is therapeutic. In the end I don't really care about any of that and just accept the fact that I love her, kind of the same way when faggots like to start the ''is loli pedo'' argument I say I don't care all I know is I am sexually attracted to 2D little girls regardless how you want to label it. But that is once again another topic. Another thing I would like to add, when I think of my waifu, I also very often think of the longing for a better, purer, nicer world. Even the show she is from is like that. There is nothing wrong with loving perfection and something that real humans could never be in a disgusting and horrible world.
>> No. 12394 [Edit]
>>12393
Well, yeah, english is not my first language, so sorry if it looks or reads) like a mess. It may be offtopic, but is there a mistake i made more then just once? Just so i can try to avoid it in the future. Im still trying to improve my english, but since there isnt anything like tohno-chan in my native language i just have to lurk and sometimes write here.
>> No. 12395 [Edit]
>>12394
>but is there a mistake i made more then just once?

Your biggest problem was forgetting to capitalize ''I'' over and over this makes the writing look sloppy. You also kept forgetting to put apostrophes where needed for example don't/dont. For a non English speaker your English is very good though its just if you were someone who types English on a regular basis it would look like a 15 year old wrote that. Also:

>But it still makes me wondering

That isn't right and just sounds funny and that was the part that convinced me that English isn't your main language. Instead of that you should of wrote ''But it still makes me wonder''

Sorry for being a grammar Nazi I just couldn't help but point that out.
>> No. 12396 [Edit]
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>>12392
>Are waifus more or less a mental illness ?
It's rather a phantasy, which is unrestrained imagination. This can stay a healthy thing (being creative is good) but can degenerate also. The barrier between insanity and sanity is here completely subjective.

I don't want to create a huge polemic, but loving a waifu is somewhat comparable to loving Jesus Christ (damn this sounds disgusting, sorry guys) or any religious character... If it gives you the drive you need in your life, go for it. But remember that it creates walls around you, walls that makes you feel less alone but walls that may make you even more a lonely and isolated person than you already are.

In my case, my waifu is my muse. And I'm trying my best to be proud of myself because I think she wishes me sucess. Also, if on the way I find some 3D relationship that would help myself becoming a better person, I would try. Waifus and 3D girls are not mutually exclusive as it strongly depends on your relation with your waifu.

>>12393
If waifuism is ever going big, it will lose all its original purpose. That scares me more than it should.
>> No. 12397 [Edit]
I honestly cannot see most of us staying true to waifuism well into old age. I think most of us will all grow old and look back on these times as us being silly.
>> No. 12398 [Edit]
>If waifuism is ever going big, it will lose all its original purpose. That scares me more than it should.

I doubt it will ever happen, if it does it will just be a small group of people trying to be special and will eventually die off. Although what scares me is that some news or other TV program decides to parade the subject matter around like some zoo for normals, that would definitely lead to problems if it becomes famous. But the whole concept is too weird and the fact that it automatically relates to people without lives i.e NEETs hikis and other outcasts (almost everyone on this website) would scare a shit load of people away.

Post edited on 18th Apr 2013, 9:39am
>> No. 12399 [Edit]
>>12397
Your feelings of love must be weak. This whole post sounds like something some Ford Driver would say to be honest.
>> No. 12400 [Edit]
>>12395
>Sorry for being a grammar Nazi I just couldn't help but point that out.

No, it's okay. Most people just say my english is good, but that doesn't help me to improve my english at all. So it's nice to see some actual critic. And yeah, i'm kinda lazy if it comes to apostrophes. But i think i should just start to use them. And i never really knew that the "I" have to be capitalized. But i keep it in mind for the future, so thanks for that.

>>12396
>In my case, my waifu is my muse

Its the same in my case. Since I have my waifu I try to be more worth for her. Im more outside, I exercise (which I never did before) to lose some pounds and have some new hobbys. In this case it's clearly a good thing. On the other side it's always painfull to know that I never will hold her in my arms. But I guess it's the same thing in 3d relationship, not everything is good about it too. It's just different in 2d relationships.
>> No. 12401 [Edit]
>>12400
Another thing that I could recommend is changing Firefox to English so that all the misspelled words have red lines under them. That is actually really helpful even for people that already speak English as a main language.
>> No. 12402 [Edit]
>>12396
>If waifuism is ever going big, it will lose all its original purpose.

Doesn't Reddit have some place (whatever you call the ''boards'' on Reddit I don't go there so I don't know) for waifu discussion? That's pretty scary to be honest.
>> No. 12403 [Edit]
>>12402
>>12398
well by going big, I mean becoming a serious matter with its dogma, its codes and stuff like "your waifu is not a true waifu if...".


and for the reddit, yeah I just checked, it's called r/waifu and ... well.. you know... it's reddit.
>> No. 12404 [Edit]
>>12403
Actually if anything people will treat it too lightly, you know how some people on 4chans /a/ these days like to say that it's just a joke or that it's only meant to be a way of saying you have been ''moeified'' by the character.
>> No. 12406 [Edit]
>>12404
>some people on 4chans /a/ these days like to say that it's just a joke

Well, not to mention they think Gaia, a site for teenager normals, will just entertain discussions of what for them is the equivalent of a nuthouse: I mean, if you were a Ford Driver, you'll almost surely think that people with waifus are just a bunch of creepy shut-ins who delude themselves with the idea of a fictional character being in love with them.

Some people on /a/ think Gaia users will just entertain waifuism in the same way as we do and some actually think Gaiafags brought waifuism to the board. Either that or they're just spouting buzzwords.
>> No. 12407 [Edit]
>>12393
How is being in love with a 2d character better than being in love with a character from a book?
Filling in the blanks with your own imagination leaves less room for imperfections.
>> No. 12408 [Edit]
>>12406
Don't place any merit into anything that a moron from 4shit has to say. The intelligent ones left long, long ago, and now only morons stay there to spout stupid shit regardless of whether there is any truth in it or not.
>> No. 12409 [Edit]
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Love is love. That's all there has to be to it.
It's not a mental illness.
>> No. 12410 [Edit]
>>12407
If book characters are so great why didn't you fall in love with one? In all seriousness book characters are usually designed after 3DPD characters in real life. Not to mention that visuals are extremely helpful, I have tried creating a 2D girl in my head in the past and I always got the personality down but in the end I just copied some other 2D girl for the image because I couldn't get a grasp on a firm image of her. The sunny expression of my waifu and her 2D anime charm is part of what I love about her, even if there is also of course loads to love about the personality. That doesn't really work with a book.
>> No. 12411 [Edit]
>Are waifus more or less a mental illness
Well, I guess everyone that has a waifu and is serious about that is going to be considered to be abnormal. But having a mental illness includes more than just abnormal behavior, for example suffering and having problems in one's daily life. And to me, these criteria do not apply. In fact, it is the opposite. My waifu keeps me motivated and rarely do I feel as happy as when I am fantasizing about being with her and stuff like that.
That's why I don't think that having a waifu could be considered a mental illness. It's probably true that a lot of us do have serious problems, but our waifus are not the cause of that. Maybe having a waifu can be considered a symptom of some other mental illness - though this does not necessarily have to be the case.

About deluding yourself; that is what everyone does. Some delusions are socially more accepted than others, some of them are so widespread that people do not recognize them as delusions at all. Think about the stuff that a normal person does and the stuff that brings happiness to a normal person. From a closer examination, none of these things have any meaning, sense or purpose. Watching soccer matches for example... I could not think of an activity more useless, and yet it makes some people go crazy. And that is perfectly fine. I mean, they could do something else with their time, but considering that everything is meaningless in the end, it does not really make a difference. For that reason, I think all people should just do what they think makes them happy, as long as they do not harm others while doing so.
If you think that you are deluding yourself and worried about that, just remember that you are actually not that different from anyone else. The only real difference is that “they” do not realize that whereas “we” do.

I don’t know how I should write about love after spouting that nihilistic stuff. Anyways, I think love exists. And it is the only feeling that makes me think that living might be worthwhile after all. So far, I never regretted the path that I took. I don’t know if this path was the right one, the one yielding purer love than the other. But seeing how satisfied I am with it, I see no reason to think about ever choosing another one. I’d like to believe that I will still walk the same path in 20 years, together with my waifu.
>> No. 12412 [Edit]
>>12406
After all these times that I have seen the website Gaia being insulted as being just as bad or worse than Reddit, I am yet to actually know shit about that website. Is this referring to Gaia online? Isn't that just some avatar creating site, what does that have to do with anime?
>> No. 12419 [Edit]
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>Are waifus a "new" sort of love?

I'd very much like to think so; that (following an old obsession of mine) it might be a possible answer to Rimbaud's calling to "reinvent love", which is long ago dead as a creditable concept (like God, historicity and reality). In any case, I think that, on its best examples, the waifu represents at least a more honest take on love, as it implies the realization about one's beloved never being the actual entity (which is unreachable) but a deferred stand up character we build in our heads from our limited and biased interactions with the source, together with the (unwarranted) narrativizations we attach to such encounters; thus rendering that the actual delusion is for people to think that they can get to know and love each other at all.

However, lots of 2D lovers do not give the smallest thought to this or simply reject it, preferring to rely on 3D analogue schemes and superstitions. So...

>How will it look like in 10-20 years?

I don't know. Unless the world changes to a point where it'll be unavoidable for commoners to change as well many of their naive views, this waifu thing might really end as merely another laughable internet phenomena that frustrated losers used to comfort themselves. On my account, I don't expect anything but more of the same restlessness and isolation.

>Are waifus more or less a mental illness

I'd say the guys out there are the fool ones, but I guess the wonder about delusions is that one is always blind to them.
>> No. 12548 [Edit]  
>Are waifus a "new" sort of love?

The concept of falling in love with a fictional character, inanimate object, or work of art is nothing new. In fact the greco roman myth of Pygmalion shares nearly the exact same story as many people with waifus do. He falls in love with a sculpture he created after he began to hate real women for being nothing more than mere prostitutes. He ultimately ends up having his statue come to life after making a wish to Venus. Love, passion, and devotion to something, real or not, is something that people of exhibited for a long time and there were definitely people who had anime/2d "waifus" before the term was even coined.

>Are waifus more or less a mental illness
Not at all. Having a waifu is not a sign of any mental illness, though you still might have one or a mental illness may result in people ending up with a waifu, in and of itself it isn't a psychological defect. At worst it would be prescribed as a "fetish" (mostly because of the physical attraction to 2D). I talked to a psychologist a couple of years ago and explained the whole concept to him, gave him some extra reading material, and even got him to watch the anime in which my waifu was from. In the end the only thing he really said about it was that he encouraged me to have at least one more attempt at a stable mature relationship with another person before I decided to completely give up on the idea together (mostly the advice was given under the "this is what I've seen make people happy, but if it's not for you it's not for you" kind of thing). But he also said that if I so choose I should continue to be happy with mai waifu and that there is really nothing wrong with it. As long as I'm not actively negatively impacting other people and feel fulfilled and am happy that's all that really matters.

In fact there's a video that's pretty related about a guy who is in love with his Real Doll and he got a psychologist to come talk about it and it was almost verbatim what I was told.
>> No. 12552 [Edit]
>Are waifus a "new" sort of love?
I wouldn't consider it new, no. Of course there's the tale of Pygmalion, as the guy above me listed, but more to the point I think the capacity existed in humans long before. It's really just that in the 21st century, as entertainment has become more and more advanced, the characters are real enough that they're capable of evoking love in us.

More importantly, maybe, with the internet it allows us to congregate. Loving a waifu, it's something a small, small, incredibly small minority of people do. If we were all alone, if we didn't have a way to connect, I imagine many of us would abandon their waifu out of a similar sense of "this is wrong" that you question. The few that were left, that went on loving their waifu, would be so rare as to not leave a mark. They'd live and die loving their waifu and no one, excluding perhaps a rare confidant, would know the difference. But with the internet, we can gather in numbers enough to make leave a trace. On top of that, when someone doubts they can remember that there are others like him, that he's not a single madman alone in the world. Profess all you want to not care but most people inherently want to belong, and if they feel they don't they're more likely to change their ways in an attempt to fit in.

>I BET that EVERY psychologist would try to "remove" my waifu from me, saying its just delusional.
You would actually be surprised. In my limited experience, and from what I've seen some other people say, psychologists are totally fine with loving a waifu. As long as you don't lose touch with reality. Many of us say we believe our waifus exist in our hearts, or "somewhere out there," and that's fine, but believing your waifu exists in the physical, or that you can hear her like any other person, that's more along the lines of delusions or hallucinations.

As long as you stay in touch with reality waifus are perfectly healthy on their own, what matters is how they effect your life. Think of it like addictions. A small amount of alcohol or gambling is fine here and there, it's when your life starts to fall apart, when you lose your job or can't pay your bills or are abusive to family, because of alcohol or gambling that they become a problem. Waifus are kind of similar. As long as your waifu makes you happy, your waifu is healthy for you. If your waifu makes you unhappy, or causes you to do things that make you unhappy, then a psychologist would likely consider your love of your waifu unhealthy. And really, if your waifu makes you unhappy, more than the occasional sadness that you mention, perhaps you should reconsider whether this is the lifestyle you want to commit yourself too.

So no, I don't really think waifus are, by themselves, a form of mental illness. Though if you go too far it can become one.

>Are waifus a pure form of love that differs from 3d relationships that are changing every few months in the worst case
Eh, I think they're "purer" than the types of relationships you talk about. Most of them are just rooted in infatuation or looks, once the shine wears off there's no motivation to continue it because the couple learns they really don't like each other. Are they purer than the love of a couple that's been married for 50 years and still happy, though? I don't particularly think so.
>>12548
The experience you described was basically mine too, though I didn't give him any material nor did he recommend I try a 3D relationship one more time.
>> No. 13324 [Edit]
bumping this topic out of interest, due to a lot going on in my mind about my waifu and waifus/waifuism in general.
>> No. 13328 [Edit]
Love differs with every person, so I consider this the same kind of love as 3D's experience. It's just me shaping it.

I don't know if it's a mental illness but I'm rather confident that she exists, albeit for no 'rational' reason. My psychiatrists disagreed with that, but obviously I hadn't expected anything else from such a person. Hearing out their common-sense speeches and claims of delusion was tiring. Then again, getting rid of them was easy.

So, are you ill ? Yes. But are you ill ? No, if you catch my drift.
Besides, a lot of people really aren't too serious about it, more than I'd want there to be, however.
>> No. 13331 [Edit]
>>13328
>I don't know if it's a mental illness but I'm rather confident that she exists, albeit for no 'rational' reason. My psychiatrists disagreed with that, but obviously I hadn't expected anything else from such a person. Hearing out their common-sense speeches and claims of delusion was tiring. Then again, getting rid of them was easy.
I don't think that was the wisest decision. He isn't saying you can't love her, he's saying that you can love her, but for the sake of your own health acknowledge that she isn't real. I don't know how long you two have been together, but further down the road it could hurt you if you lose yourself in her and forget this crucial fact.

>Besides, a lot of people really aren't too serious about it, more than I'd want there to be, however.
Would you want everyone to be serious about waifus? What benefit would that bring?
>> No. 13332 [Edit]
>>13331
>I don't think that was the wisest decision. He isn't saying you can't love her, he's saying that you can love her, but for the sake of your own health acknowledge that she isn't real. I don't know how long you two have been together, but further down the road it could hurt you if you lose yourself in her and forget this crucial fact.

We've been 'together' for two years. They really were saying that I should basically stop it, so that was enough of a reason for me to miraculously get "better" get discharged. They might just be easier than me.

>Would you want everyone to be serious about waifus? What benefit would that bring?

It'd make me less sick when browsing imageboards.
>> No. 13380 [Edit]
I am likely to stay loving my waifu for a long time specially considering that most of the real women in the country where I live at preset are all bitches and whores, all thanks to local media.

Post edited on 20th Sep 2013, 4:31am
>> No. 13381 [Edit]
>>13331
>Would you want everyone to be serious about waifus? What benefit would that bring?
A whole new world, my man. A whole brave new world.

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