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9749 No. 9749 [Edit]
Didn't see one of these here, so I figured I'd make one.

Animu and mango's nice and all, but anyone enjoy any western comics and animation?

What are some of your favorite classics? What have you liked that's recent or currently airing? Any good recommendations for comics, preferably stuff outside of just the superhero genre? Would it still be worth going back over to 4/co/ once in a while? (I haven't been there since the pre-Pony days.)

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>> No. 9750 [Edit]
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The Sandman.

It's about the Dream of the endless. Featured in the picture with his elder sister Death of the endless. I am sure you'll come to love Death, she is probably one of the most likable characters you'll ever meet.
>> No. 9751 [Edit]
I read mostly Vertigo. Though I don't know much titles beyond the classics, like Sandman, Preacher, Hellblazer and Watchmen.
I also have a somewhat extense list a friend made by 2009 which would get me straight into what's relevant to the current DC Universe in terms of Batman and Luthor (love those guys), I downloaded most of them but haven't read much of it yet (I bet half of them are already worthless to the current timeline lol). But outside from what's on that list I have little interest on the big universes and spend most of my time reading off-the-canon stories like Elseworlds.
Then there's Camelot 2000 and Moore/Gaiman's Marvelman, I don't remember who published those.
Outside the big publishers I know very little. The only thing I remember right now is Persepolis, a quite interesting autobiography of an iranian 3DPD.
>> No. 9752 [Edit]
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You know, I don't think I've actually read any Neil Gaiman aside from a couple issues here and there. I remember Batman's "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" being pretty good though.

A personal favorite I'd like to recommend is The Question. Good sort-of-superhero-but-not-really type of comic. Think a bit like Batman, but without the money, mansion hideout, equipment, intensive training around the world, or preptime hax. Also, his city's an even worse shithole.

The guy seems to have a completely different personality with every writer though, so if you've seen Justice League Unlimited, don't expect him to be anything like that in the comics. I like the Denny O'Neil run best as far as the comics go. Really good read, nice art, and you don't really have to know shit about the rest of the DC Universe to enjoy it.
>> No. 9753 [Edit]

I dropped Sandman some 20 or so chapters in but yeah, Death was nice. 'I'll see you later.'

Somehow western comics don't appeal to me. I tried to read some stuff that seems to gather universal acclaim from both casual readers and hardcore fans but ultimately dropped all of it (like Sandman or Watchmen).
>> No. 9754 [Edit]
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That reminds me, I'd strongly recommend Superman: Red Son to anyone who hasn't read it by now, whether you like or are familiar with DC Comics or not.

It's basically an Elseworlds story about what might have happened if baby Supes had landed in Soviet Russia instead of Smallville. Lex Luthor's his usual obsessive, scheming, "Just as planned" self, Lois is Luthor's wife, Batman's a terrorist with an awesome hat, and why am I spoiling this, just go read it if you haven't.
>> No. 9755 [Edit]
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I haven't had time to actually read any of them, but my friend's favorite comics are Bone, Blankets, The Goon, Asterios Polyp, Ghost World, and American Splendor. Of the pathetically few comics I've read, I've loved Tintin, Calvin & Hobbes, Maus, and The Killing Joke.

I'm much more of a cartoon guy, though. My favorite cartoons are The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, King of the Hill, Spongebob, and pretty much anything by Chuck Jones and Max Fleischer. My favorite movies are Finding Nemo, The Iron Giant, and When the Wind Blows. For independent animation, Don Hertzfeldt and Bill Plympton are Haruhily.

I really like most of the stuff on Cartoon Network right now, like Regular Show, Gumball, and Adventure Time (though the pilot was better).

>Would it still be worth going back over to 4/co/ once in a while?
It never was.

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>> No. 9758 [Edit]
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I started watching through the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon the other day on account of only seeing it in bits and pieces when it was airing.

It's pretty good so far. Pretty comic-faithful too, the opening scene of ep 1 is basically the first panel of the first issue with the monologue paraphrased a little. It still baffles me how this came from 4Kids.
>> No. 9759 [Edit]
Stuff from when i was a kid. Batman TAS, Dexter's Lab, Power Puff Girls, etc. Don't really watch non-anime animation anymore
>> No. 9760 [Edit]
Don't really watch any western cartoons, but that's only because anime/manga take enough time as it is. As for comics, I like them quite a bit, even though I haven't read very many of them yet. My two most recent reads were Logicomix (life of Bertrand Russell) and Pyongyang- A Journey in North Korea (an animator who goes to supervise animation that's outsourced to North Korea). I'd highly recommend both of them.
>> No. 9764 [Edit]
Haven't really read many comics, the sheer amount of continuity and retcons is much too daunting.

I watched Batman: Brave and the Bold a while ago and really enjoyed it, need to get around to watching season 2. I like Adventure Time enough to watch it, and I kind of want to watch Wakfu or the new Thundercats.

Anyone else a huge fan of Samurai Jack?
>> No. 9771 [Edit]
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I loved Samurai Jack when it was airing. My only major complaint was the inherent awkwardness of Jack being a swordsman who can't kill anything that bleeds on account of it being a kids show, hence all the robots getting sliced up. The same thing happened with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons though, and they both came out fine.

But yeah, great show, I just wish it had gotten a proper ending.
>> No. 9772 [Edit]
Word has it that there is a film to wrap up the series in production, but I haven't heard anything much about it.

Watching the series as an adult, and having seen all of these DVD extras, I really do appreciate how much effort was actually put into this show.
>> No. 9773 [Edit]
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Another show that the adult in you will appreciate is ReBoot. There are a lot of references in it that kids simply wouldn't know about.

My favorite thing though is now that I know about computers, suddenly the world Mainframe makes sense. My favorite is the "Web Surfer" (characterized as an actual surfer) who visits Mainframe from the Web, and there are Pirates too.

I also like Ducktales, Talespin, Darkwing Duck, and Chip & Dales: Rescue Rangers, 90's X-men and 90's spider-man, Angry Beavers, Home Movies, the Venture Bros., Avatar: the last blahblaher. I really don't want to get into all the shows I like though, because I usually like them all... So there is alot.

3 modern child shows I enjoy are Wayside, Kappa Mikey and Jimmy Two-Shoes.
>> No. 9778 [Edit]
I watched Hey Arnold, and I like it... perhaps Helga was the first tsundere I've ever known
I don't read much comics tho, since I can read English, I never really like the translated version in my language
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Whether it's nostalgia goggles or not I don't know, but I find Helga a more interesting character than most anime tsundere girls. I liked how they had a lot of episodes focus on her shitty home life and what made her such a bitchy tsundere in the first place.
>> No. 9780 [Edit]
Don't blame you, anime tsundere girls are just bitchy for no good reason, and often times come off as bipolar or dominatrix types, since many otaku seem to have a S&M fetish.
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Also my first OTP/shipfaggotry as a kid.

Pre-Ash/Misty even.
>> No. 9797 [Edit]
Japanese manga and animation take flaws and make them cute.

American comics and animation take flaws and caricature them.

I never got that.

Because American comics are invariably either lewd, overly 3D, with unlikable characters or exist simply to be subliminal to overt nationalistic propaganda, I cannot find myself to enjoy them.

European cartoons and comics can be very odd, inconsistent, lewd or idiotic, so I have trouble liking them either.
>> No. 9798 [Edit]
>Because American comics are invariably either lewd, overly 3D, with unlikable characters or exist simply to be subliminal to overt nationalistic propaganda

Calvin & Hobbes
>> No. 9799 [Edit]
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>American comics
>exist simply to be subliminal to overt nationalistic propaganda

>> No. 9802 [Edit]
I can't comment on how common this is in American or European comics, but lewdness is hardly rare in manga.
>> No. 9804 [Edit]
>overly 3D

Care to elaborate on this?

Because aside from it technically being a physical impossibility, I'm not even completely sure what you mean by it figuratively.
>> No. 9806 [Edit]
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I've read a lot of US and Franco-Belgian comics (mostly sitting for hours at the comics section of the supermarket while my parents did their stuff). I remember manga only appearing timidly in the late 90s with stuff like Dragon Ball, Dragon Quest or Jojo's. Until then I read a lot of Western stuff.

>Japanese manga and animation take flaws and make them cute.
>American comics and animation take flaws and caricature them.
Cuteness is simply not the Western way. There are cute comics but they're extremely rare and most importantly, it's not what the Western audience is primarily looking for. We usually prefer satirical or toilet humor. If you see something with little girls and pink stuff it's usually aimed at kids.

I've lost myself in great comic stories just like I did with manga. Saying US/EU comics are lewd or overly 3D is false because there are a lot of comic styles, themes, audiences and artists. Just the way I can't stay every manga is lewd, overly anthropomorphic and has unappealing characters.
Also, just throwing out some stuff..

Jimmy Corrigan by Chris Ware
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by Alan Moore
Blacksad by Canales/Guarnido
XIII by VanHamme
Largo Winch by VanHamme/Francq
Blake and Mortimer by Edgar P. Jacobs
Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi
Cowboy Henk by Kamagurka
V for Vendetta by Alan Moore
Sky Doll by Barbera Canepa
Valerian by Mezieres
>> No. 9807 [Edit]
"Waaah! Onii-chan saw my panties! Hentai naaa!"


"Hey I'm in a swimsuit. You wanna fuck me, you rascal you?"

ESPECIALLY prevalent in these days, since webcomics are all the rage.

Most comics are made to look as close to realism as possible here, and I don't really like that. It's kind of like a recently released prisoner preferring not to live in a house with bars on the window after
getting out.

I'm coprophobic. It horrifies me. I hate crass or crude humour so much. And in a culture that makes a cookbook of foods made to look like worms in the dirt, boogers or gift shops selling chocolate "moose poop," just a simple trip to the store is like swimming with cinderblocks tied to your feet. This is 50% of why I hate Panty and Stocking.

This, Peanuts, generally most of the things in the paper are things I like a lot. I refer mostly to comics in book format, not four panel newspaper comics.

Although I hate Dustin and Mother Goose and Grim. The new B.C. comics are fucking awful, Mason should kill himself sooner than trying to take over for Hart.

Oh, just a side note. There's this guy named Scott McCloud who publishes really amazing books about the world's comics. Generally they're in libraries, one of them is called Understanding Comics. I highly suggest you check this guy out.
>> No. 9810 [Edit]
I've never read ant comics except shifty newspaper ones, Scott pilgrim and tha hong kong one about the tall guy and the short fat guy. I only read the first nook of Scott pilgrim. I wouldve liked it if it didn't contain so much of that disgusting socializing crap like parties etc.
>> No. 9811 [Edit]
I'd hardly say the former is less lewd. If anything it's even worse because:
a) incest
b) it's less subtle/way more contrived (harder to pass off as just a natural interaction between the characters)

Also, do western comics have anything like Queen's Blade or Ikkitousen?
>> No. 9812 [Edit]
So I'm almost done catching up on the new Thundercats, and frankly, it's fucking awesome.

Just putting that out there.
>> No. 9889 [Edit]
Gotta give you a thumbs up for suggesting O'Neil's Question. One of my favorites.
>> No. 10195 [Edit]
The farther I get into this, the better the action scenes seem to get. By a lot. It really does make up for having to pussyfoot around killing anyone.

Vid related, Wesker's distant cousin being awesome.

Also, bump, I guess.
>> No. 10208 [Edit]
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Guardians of the Galaxy
Life and Time of Scrooge McDuck
Punisher MAX
The Goon
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Walking Dead
Y: The Last Man

Great, download, etc.
>> No. 10247 [Edit]
I'm going to a store that sells both manga and bande dessinée soon, any suggestions on what I should buy? I was planning on just getting some Asterix stuff to practice my french, but while I'm there, I might as well get something more if I have any money left.
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>> No. 10581 [Edit]
I've been trying to do the same with french comics, only going more through the internet.

I have found an english translation of the DESERT STAR (l'etolie means star. already, new vocabulary for me).

My plan is to get familiar with the story and frames in english, while trying to find the french original. I've started listening to some podcasts today, but I'm more interested in reading than speaking anyway...

It believe it is a great way to learn a language, as I can't bring myself into a classroom.

This, I forgot to mention, is Chimichanga.
I gave it as an example of an American comic that is not lewd, unless you place bearded girls in that category. I, personally, like a little facial hair on my lolis, but got little-to-no fan-service.
>> No. 10678 [Edit]
I have a question for you comic fans. How does the Joker in the comics differ from the Joker in the movie The Dark Knight?

Specifically, does he lie about himself/his past (e.g. in the movie he gives different people different stories about how he got his scars)? Does he do the "psychotic humor" thing like the pencil trick?
>> No. 10679 [Edit]
Specking of the jokers psychotic humor.
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>Specifically, does he lie about himself/his past?
He's probably too deranged to still remember which of his stories is his actual past
>Does he do the "psychotic humor" thing like the pencil trick?
yeah, his personality pretty much revolves around it.

You could read The Killing Joke (it's on 4chan/rs/) or play Arkham Asylum, both give a good picture of the Joker.
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Here have some War Comics recs
>> No. 11717 [Edit]
Oh Haruhi, that cover for Adolf... So, so ugly.
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>> No. 12199 [Edit]
Why do I always cry at the end.
>> No. 12212 [Edit]
Maybe because you find the French version is the most beautiful.
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Transmetropolitan is probably the best western comic I've ever read.
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Well I loved King of the Hill and Office Space is one of the few live-action movies I've really enjoyed, so I decided to give Beavis and Butthead a spin.

I can't figure out how much of it is stupid crude humor and how much is brilliant satire. Show was a little off-putting at first, felt like the kind of thing that was too stupid to be funny, but it's growing on me. When I started watching KotH I honestly thought it was some sort of insanely boring show for actual rednecks, but I kept watching out of boredom and had that a-ha moment when I realized it was a satire of such people. Judge makes no secret that B&B is a satire of the people that would be watching MTV in the 90s, and I'm really weak for satire of anything.

EDIT: I should clarify. It wasn't exactly a direct satire of the viewers of MTV itself so much as it was a satire of what authority figures and so-called media watchdogs thought about the people that watched MTV. Even more ironically, it became reality extremely quickly.

Post edited on 3rd Feb 2012, 12:21pm

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