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26374 No. 26374 [Edit]
I've spent a lot of time arguing with people on the glory of 2D vs 3DPD, and in those arguments one lowbrow and downright moronic point people always bring up is "but they're not real!!!" To which I'd usually reply with something along the lines of "what difference does that make, the feelings for the characters are real etc etc"

Well, I just came to a bit of a realization. Isn't that "but they're not real!!" argument essentially the same argument used in defense of loli when compared to cp? correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not eating your cake and having it too?
>> No. 26375 [Edit]
I think it's childish to have such debates. They have what makes them happy, and you have what makes you happy. Not one jeopardizes the other.
>> No. 26376 [Edit]
>correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not eating your cake and having it too?
You didn't really say if those people think loli is bad or not pga. mind crime.

The point in the loli argument is that the person can't be hurt, or if we put it in a general term, they can't be moved (the can't be affected and can't have an effect).
The point in their 2D argument would have to be that 2D can't be moved either. So even if you love or want to abuse 2D, the love will never exist outside of your mind. If any of you refute that, then you don't really stand on a common ground and probably aren't going to.

In the end it's about whether you like 2D or 3D. They probably like 2D too, but mistake their feelings for 3D as being important to them on a higher level than their basic instincts.
>> No. 26377 [Edit]
I think it's the mind frame issue which may be the problem here.
While loli might not be real if we're we approach the issue from the perspective of someone with an imagined relationship with a waifu who's relationship is very real to them, it can potentially be seen as wrong if you're in turn putting yourself in the mind frame of abusing children. While no 3d children are being hurt the person is may still be guilty of hurting children, just in their mind. To them the children would be just as real as a waifu is to their husbando. This of course would mean this is more of an issue of thought crime and as such I think the issue could come down to the question; Is it wrong to want to molest/abuse children? Not actually committing the act, but vividly fantasizing about doing so?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here mind you, I don't actually hold any misgivings towards loli or those who enjoy it.
>> No. 26379 [Edit]
Wouldn't it just be a case of "not equal to"? A person with a waifu might empathize with another person who has a waifu, but that doesn't mean person A sees persons B's waifu as being as real as and equal to his own. The same with someone who has a waifu and someone who abuses 2D children.

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