>What will you do when fully sentient, customizable synthetic humanoids finally become available for domestic use
Curse my luck for not being born a millionaire who could afford one.

Curse my luck for being dead before it happens.

Then again, if politics still work that way in the distant future, being dead is probably for the best.

I will wonder where the gay and lesbian community raised so much money and why the fuck are they blowing it all on a lobby that's completely unrelated to the direct interests of their group.

>How expensive could the androids be?
A man calling himself "Zoltan" managed to cobble one together for $208. See file on /ddl/.
>Do you think it'll be possible to find a surgeon in the black market willing to remove the alarm?
Considering the cottage industry for removing DRM from consoles and phones, it's certain.
>What sort of things would you do with a sentient pet droid?
I'm not sure if I'd have sex with him/her/it, but it'd be nice for talking, hugging and touching.

Related threads include:
http://tohno-chan.com/ns/res/702.html
http://gurochan.net/f/res/23012.html

I'll probably be dead.

I hope I'm dead before then since that seems like a long time from now.

>3D

fuck off

>>20709
but you are 3D too

>>20709
I was thinking of something along the lines of Custom AI Droid by REAL actually (great game, play it)
Either way I doubt owning a sentient sexdroid will ever be legal... it'd be a form of slavery. And if you got your hands on one that looked like a loli you could get in a lot of trouble.

>>20702
Why would the LGBT community be interested in the sexual philosophies of those that were the same that ostracized them from society? Smart people know that robots /=/ people. What the hell are you smoking? You need to worry about lobbyist groups that actually pose a threat to your lifestyle, anon-kun. Also, you're assuming that anyone listens / will listen to the LGBT community in the first place (which is a sad state of affairs).
Pic related, you made Asa cry OP...

Post edited on 19th Feb 2013, 4:01pm

>>20714
Androids are just robots made to look like humans. They will never have actual sentience. I don't see why owning one and mistreating it should ever be a crime.

>>20709

Would you consider onaholes 3D?

>>20715
My mom's a lesbian and she's one of the most sexually repressed and judgemental people I have ever seen.

>>20721
Less privileged people are oppressed by default, of course she may act this way. Do you honestly think you have the right to condemn her?

I'm serious when I ask; What is the point of synthetic humanoids for 'domestic use' if they have sexual misconduct alarm systems?
It's not just otaku who want sex bots you know. a replacement for women would be huge all around the world, look at how many men out there own love dolls. sex bots would be big money. why else would anyone want to create domestic synthetic humanoids? If it's for the purpose of creating servants then there's no need for them to look human, take azamo for example. I think you understatement the demand and money that would be involved in it.

Post edited on 20th Feb 2013, 1:06am

OP, you're worrying about a scenario that will probably never even occur. I'm guessing they won't even make loli androids for the very reason you bring up.

Even so, I'd want a cute half-malfunctioning android like Reverie. That would be pretty fun.

Also, what do the "LGBT community" have to do with this? Could you please elaborate, OP?

The LGBT community will try to ban sentient droids because otherwise we could buy them and rape them with no consequences. It would be a form of privilege. And who benefits the most from privilege?? White cis heterosexual males. Therefore they are the only true people who can carry out a legitimate rape, but only over a less privilege person. The constructs of society have enabled men to rape. Women can rape, but its not legitimate. Its not spurred by society or privilege. In a way female rapists can also be victims themselves. They are rebelling against society against its constructs of privilege. Men can rape men but again, its not legitimate unless the man getting raped is either gay or trans because then they are less privileged according to societal constructs. If a straight man rapes a straight man it is consensual rape but a straight man would never rape a straight man so its a contradiction in itself.

...okay, in all seriousness I don't know why I typed LGBT. I still think there are a lot of people who would try to get androids banned however.

Post edited on 20th Feb 2013, 6:13am

>>20702
>What sort of things would you do with a sentient pet droid?
Friends' stuff (I feel so lonely right now)...

I initially don't discard sexdroids, though: before becoming pure data in a posthuman world, I long for a transhuman world in which andreïdes and eugenics will render women useless in every "womanhood" affair, which finally sets both sexes free from gender roles. However, a Matrix 2nd Renaissance / GITS Innocence / Ergo Proxy scenario is likely to occur, sooner or later, with sentient droids.

>>20724
>I'd want a cute half-malfunctioning android like Reverie
That would be just amazing.

>>20709
You got it wrong: the problem is not the 3rd or nth dimension by itself, but its biological inner problems (decay) and its status of alleged reality.

Post edited on 20th Feb 2013, 8:37am

I put this scenario on par with humans finally reaching the age of space travel and finding a planet dominated by humanoid aliens that are millions of years old that look like lolis who wish to mate with humans. Something like that.

>>20731
I don't see any reason why we'd not be capable of producing humanoid robots 100 years from now. Both scenarios here seem equally unlikely to be experienced in full by us, though, so I kind of share your sentiment.

>>20731
ever seen Soukou no Strain?
Takes place in the far off future where humans discover a alien race of lolis.
and just like what would happen in real life, genocide ensues.

>>20728
I really don't follow this. Are you so afraid of women that you can't deal with them having any power (which is already much less than you currently have /will have in your lifetime foreseeably)? Are men collectively so weak and stupid that they can't conceivably allow others to also be empowered? I don't think I feel that women are a threat to my lifestyle at all. I like 2d and 3d has nothing that will replace that. That doesn't automatically make everything that isn't 2d an enemy. "Gender Equality" can only come about if you raise women's privilege at this point, not take it away. You're being contradictory. The sexual power you are eluding to is false: for sexual power to come into play you need an enabler (men), so this is false empowerment i.e. stripper objectification.

Please keep the bullshit gender politics in /tumblr/

>>20727
>legitimate rape
'scuse me?

>The constructs of society have enabled men to rape.
What am I reading?

>[the list goes on]
>...
>okay, in all seriousness (...)
Haha! You're a funny man, you are. The thickness of the delusions I percieved were really something to be had. Had me scared for a moment - certainly. ~Post of the month~

>>20741
I'd blame the OP for constructing such a melodramatic and excessive premise for an otherwise simple topic. Still it's a decent thread, thanks in no small ammount to 20727-kun.

>>20741
take your white knighting to a place where people give a shit

>>20741
The topic at hand is gender politics. Go back to reddit or 4chan? Those places can't maturely discuss it. You'd fit in nicely.

>>20741
Tumbler is just blogs.

>>20745
>The topic at hand is gender politics

but why

>>20747
>op
>other idiots

>>20741
maybe use your brain instead using an intellectual copout

>>20747
Why not?

>>20748
>>20750
This. It's on topic.

I wonder which is more 'on topic' for a thread about molesting loli robots. gender politics or discussion about gender politics being off topic.

>>20722
No individual cases, just sweeping generalisations here I guess.

I can't claim to be oppressed because of my genes I guess.

>>20742
Excessive?

...

Following the recent Ontario/Canada Roundtable on Gender Equality, the below provisions have been proposed for the new Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act, the first draft of which is currently being finalized.The provisions are specifically meant to target the concerns that were expressed at the roundtable that sexbots will negatively impact the pursuit for gender equality and may unduly emphasize the objectification of women as sexual objects.The suggested provisions fall into the larger framework of regulating the emerging service robot industry that will be governed by the Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act and under the direction of the Ministry of Robots and Artificial Intelligence, to be established in Ontario and other Canadian provinces and territories at the end of next year.

It is further proposed that provisions 6 and 7 are integrated into the Criminal Code of Canadato ensure uniformity with respect to the illegal creation, use, distribution, advertising, export and import of sexbots which are made in the image of minors under the age of 18. For the purposes of s. 163.1 of the Criminal Codethe definition of “child” should include sexbots created in the image of minors under the age of 18.

…The use of sexbots shall be restricted to government-regulated establishments unless otherwise approved by the Ministry of Robots and Artificial Intelligence.

…The use of sexbots in the privacy of one’s home is prohibited, unless otherwise permitted by the Ministry of Robots and Artificial intelligence or a relevant regulating agency as per the criteria outlined in the Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act.

>>20755
http://manboobz.com/2013/01/14/manosphere-doofuses-duped-again-by-phony-canadian-sexbot-ban/

>>20755
Ha ha ha

>>20753
There are different types of oppression, duh. That's not to say you can speak for oppression you haven't personally experienced. That's what I'm getting at. Obviously no one on this website is at the top of the socioeconomic ladder and we're all getting fucked over in some way or another. While I can understand this, I can't say I understand being a woman and I can't speak for their oppression.

Post edited on 20th Feb 2013, 8:22pm

>>20740
>I really don't follow this [...] I don't think I feel that women are a threat to my lifestyle at all.
No, of course you don't, since you instantly root my stand on fear and incompetence with women, and you still think of gender equality as the assimilation of women into the men ruled world, as men-surrogate partners in a path that you seem to be rather OK with.

However, it's not the case: the problems I'm concerned with run way deeper (>>/ddl/81, >>/mt/1617). I do want this ongoing world to end; I want humanity to end and become something else, or just to end for good alright.

Post edited on 20th Feb 2013, 9:08pm

>>20755
Anon-kun, why? Why can't you be a normal brohno and just talk about how cool it would be to have lolibots? No drama, no bullshit. Just you and your imagination in pure escapist harmony. Please, anon-kun, I believe in you - make me dream again.

>>20755
>the illegal creation, use, distribution, advertising, export and import of sexbots which are made in the image of minors under the age of 18
But... but...

>>20759
You made a lot of assumptions there. Assimilation /=/ equality.
Why did you only mention women and not men in becoming sexless initially if that's your intent. Your statement lacked key disclaimers, and as it stands roots the issue in femininity
>I long for a transhuman world in which andreïdes and eugenics will render women useless in every "womanhood" affair, which finally sets both sexes free from gender roles.
Your words, not mine.

>>20760
This applies to a majority of discussions here. Even the most fun and harmless of topics will become about really lame garbage

>>20764
Youre acting as though this topic wasnt bullshit from the getgo.

>>20763
Because my on-topic romantic concerns are just with femininity and thus only gynoids/andreïdes, of course. I do not care about discussing androids ITT.

>>20765
Oh it is, but a million posts about how people want to coat their lolibots in semen would be way more interesting than whatever the hell this is

>>20767
Go to /jp/ then, instead of shitting threads you don't like.

>>20766
The fact that in your world robots need genders means you do need to establish this though. The other guy is right, but s/he beat around the bush with you a bit too much. Hopefully s/he doesnt respond to you anymore seeing your philosophical mess in your other topic.

>>20768

I would retort with "go to (website) if you want to talk about gender politics and fake news articles as if they were real", but I can't think of any off the top of my head

I want to have my brain installed into a loli android.

Things I would do to a loli android:

1) Treat her like a princess. Buy her dresses, candy, toys, anything. Spoil her and make her love me unconditionally and depend on me for anything. Then one night I'll walk into her room at night while she's sleeping and start beating her with a baseball bat, and then I'll rape her. She'll be utterly shocked and confused, she'll scream at me to stop, unable to understand why is the most important person in her life attacking her like a maniac. Maybe she'll think I'm intoxicated or under some kind of magical influence. I don't care. I just want to see her reaction. The rape and beatings will go on for multiple days until she loses all hope of ever being released and realizes that this is who I really am. And then, and then I'll reveal that I've been doing this routinely for the past 4 years: nurture, love, create a memory restore point, rape and rollback. Her happy memories were simply stitched together. I want to see her face when I tell her that tomorrow everything will go back to normal and then she has no way to stop me.

2) Buy a second one and raise them like sisters, wait a few years until their relationship has matured enough and then throw them into a pit where they will be forced to fight successive waves of animals (chimpanzees and dogs mostly) who have been injected with powerful aphrodisiacs, using nothing but blunt objects. Defeat means rape. If they survive, I will order them to fight each other or face a silverback gorilla equipped with a juicy monster cock. The winner will be granted freedom. Androids should be much more agile and stronger than humans so this could be exciting to watch.

3) Information deprivation experiments. Erase all information about Planet Earth from their memory, and raise her in a concrete bunker deep below the surface. What would happen if you raised a child in a completely sterile environment, with no literature, music, games, colors or any knowledge about the Outside whatsoever? The entrance should be hidden somewhere in my room, where I'll be spending most of my day, but should she find out about the existence of an outside world, I could just roll back her memories 24 hours. Sooner or later, she'll start asking questions, such as "who built this place?" "How did you get here" and "where does the food come from?" and she'll make up her own answers when I pretend to not know. It could be entertaining.

>>20777
Is this considering that it will have such advanced AI that its emotions will be real and no longer simulated? If so, you're basically saying that you'd like to do that if you ever had a daughter. This must be what you're saying; what would be interesting about locking an already cold and emotionless logic-based computer away from the world?

>>20778
That's the idea. I'm not talking about simple blow up dolls.

>>20775
Me too

>>20777
Ok, ok, I got it. I guess we humans are just too fucked on the head and, as long as we're human (i.e. part animals?), cruelty will never cease; so we will need some protection systems for synthetic people alright...

However, from a clinical perspective, your 3rd project sounded quite interesting. Very related with the platonic cave hypothesis.

>>20777
While I can't say I'd want to do the same, I don't see why it matters what someone does in the privacy of their home with the items they own. if anything, it can serve as a outlet for disturbed people's twisted fantasy's and keep them from venting them out on real people. But self righteous politicians who lack common sense wont think of it that way or care. and will probably force they're own sence of moraly on eveyone else as they have been and put into place oppressive laws and restrictions that do more harm than good like always.

But I do have to wonder if it's right to mistreat something that is fully sentient, I'd think it would be on the same level as animal abuse. while they might not be human, they'd still be thinking and feeling. and as such, it makes me wonder why it would be okay to hurt them but not a person if they're just as capable of feeling pain as a person.

>>20778
>>20779
You know what the scariest thing is? All cruelty aside, that's what actual, caring and well-meaning parents do: having children as dolls to toy with.

They somehow get this idea of insufflating their own life and will into some new born beings. They try to tell them from the begining what the world is, how does it work and how they're supposed to behave in life and what does it mean to reach a good outcome. They build this huge stage for them, that they affirm to be true, and in which they expect them to behave accordingly, as mere characters, for what they believe is the children's own good...

The children, however, sooner or later rebel against this, as they disagree with the parents' idea of what the world and goodness might be. And it could be juvenile: it might be indeed that the parents' expectations are more beneficial for them than the shit they want to do; but that's not the point: the important thing it's the rebellion itself, as it constitutes the means by which the children affirm themselves as persons, as they go like: "I do not care if what you prescribe is better for me or not; I'm simply not gonna do what you tell me to; because, you see, I'm a person; I have my own judgement and will; I'm not your toy, for you to play with in your little doll house..."

And then they go outside, fuck around, have their own children and repeat the idiotic cycle. Or, alternatively, they land on /tc/ and, by the means of 2D love and come what may from it, they at least free themselves from that vain chain of human life going to waste that we call families.

Post edited on 21st Feb 2013, 4:14pm

>>20785
So how would you raise a child?

>>20783
>But I do have to wonder if it's right to mistreat something that is fully sentient
OF COURSE IT ISN'T, IT'S NOT EVEN UP FOR QUESTION

>>20786
Fuck me if I know.
It all comes just wrong.

>>20786
Individuals shouldn't raise children, communities should. In my opinion, babies should be taken from their parents at age 2 or 3 (by force if necessary) and raised in the "collective", that means, by everyone at the same time. They shouldn't have a permanent place to live in and should never sleep more than five consecutive nights on the same bed. Thus they will spend the first 14 or 18 years of their life moving from place to place learning as they go and picking up many different skills and trades that will help them later on. This would reduce the chances of abuse and nullify the effects of bad parenting. Also, they will grow up with very few personal possessions and attachments making it easier for them to migrate if the area they're living in has an excess of unskilled labor. In b4 no one would let you enforce this. That's what the police and army are there for.

>>20791
OK, you're a marxist, I get it. If ever near to happen, we'll see if that one idea doesn't fall under its own weak assumptions, just like the dictatorship of the proletariat or the production taken to infinite.

>>20791
That doesn't solves the issues pointed out in >>20785. It just substitutes the delusions of a married couple with the delusions of some fanatic mob. It's more or less what happens in the Congo guerrilla: they take children by force and make them "men" = mercenaries of horrors, with the poor excuse of some pamphleteer, old and unrevised ideal.

Post edited on 21st Feb 2013, 4:42pm

>>20791
Man, that is radical as fuck. Kibbutzim already do something similar to this in Israel and it doesn't seem particularly beneficial to anybody.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz#Children

It's fucking asinine to just assume that this would have any real-world utility. Do you have any studies or research to back up these incredibly radical ideas, or is this just purely ideological rambling?

>>20783
Something is either sentient or it isn't. Loli sex bots would be about as alive as virions. You should have no qualms about doing anything to it.

>>20802
If machines are virions, humans are the virus

>>20804
okay kurzweil

>>20791
You failed to account for the fact that having no sense of stability ruins foster children.

Otherwise I guessing you didn't like your parents, that doesn't give you the right to decide no one gets to have them.

>>20756
>>20755

I thought that was science fiction. I didnt know some people wrote that to attempt to be 'real'

>>20791
So you're doing the kibbutzim ideal then. Well something similar enough to it....

>>20847
Well that DOES provide stability actually. Well the Kibbutz idea. What the tohno-channer mentioned is a bit different and more transient though....

>>20777
and......this is where 'rules on harming sentient beings' would come into play. I am surprised there isn't a UN treaty or discussion on that already. There prolly is....

I would find a way to hack that alarm feature so nothing happens and I can do whatever I want.

>>20777
I wouldn't try to hurt it because truly cold emotionless being with simulated emotions or not I still don't like seeing anything hurt but I would use it for sex whenever I wanted to.

>>20868
Robots aren't sentient or alive, though.

>>20910
Not yet.

thread related. warning - site is pretty shitty

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=4053277

>>20921
That link really is shitty.

I don't think that it was worth posting. Reading normals talk about anything really pisses me off.

>>20922
well images were posted and i did not feel like going through the entire thread to post stuff and then waft through there.

They also linked to the sites where you can buy it.

Half of those faggots are not even Ford Drivers in the strictest scene. OP linked to yande.re and I am surprised that faggot goed on that site. Ugh. Its like /b/ only everyone is a catty bitch

>>20910 But for the sort of "experiments" that >>20777 are saying you need a sentient android with a capability of reasoning similar to human. So the card of "the robots aren't sentient" is void.

Morally these androids are no different to normal humans. And anyone who thinks that do these sort of things is fine is a fucking monster that only deserves a slow and horrible death.

>>21016
While I agree with you, I feel like your comment devolved into a youtube comment at the end there.

>>21016
But it's not the same. Think of androids as advanced cellphones, they can't suffer permanent damage. You can replace broken limbs and overwrite traumatic memories. If things got too messy you could just take the SD card (or whatever) and put it in a different body, keeping the essence intact.

>>21021
Not sure if you understand the implications of that rollback process. Essentially you are creating 2 beings, the one that you torture and kill (in a philosophical way, when you rollback the previous one ceases to exist), and the other that start to experience the world after the rollback. Sure, in the end it's like nothing has happened, all are happy. From your point of view. From their's it's not. No, what she cares about is that she's being mistreated, abused, and then killed (an announced death with all it's creepiness, to add insult to injury).

You are using them as a toy that can be replaced if it breaks. Dont even need an android to do that, biological children can be used instead if don't care to face consequences. Just kill her and born a new one instead of doing the rollback. Or just buy a puppy for your doings. As long as nobody knows, nobody is going to judge or punish you for that. With an android is the same, nobody is going to know what you do. You can do whatever you want without consequences, and this brings out the worst in people. It's just so easy to act like a monster.

But somehow I understand you, my most twisted side can appreciate the beauty of those attrocities. And given the opportunity, possibly end up doing something that I regret for life.

>>21081
I am reminded of this manga. IT deals with that very subject

WARNING: NSFW http://www.fakku.net/manga/if-the-school-story-english

>>21108
this guy really likes magic watches

http://exhentai.org/g/515951/bab43e656b/

>>21110
sadpanda

>>21144
name is [Shiki Takuto] if - Tokei Monogatari | if - A Story About a Watch

>>21154
thank you. it's a nice loli manga. good ending