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8504 No. 8504 [Edit]
Are wall-of-text posts frowned upon?

Writing long posts for the sake of writing a long post is stupid, I agree. It's nicer to get it short if the message is that the poster is stupid, right?

On the other hand, if it can't be helped that the post turns out to be over average rich on words - for the sake of sending a proper message, who is to blame the poster?

Personally, I like writing mildly educated posts, and I like reading mildly educating posts too. Achieving this with but a bare minimum of words is fucking hard, let's get that straight. Paradoxal enough, it's easier to write a healthy ammount of words in your post in order be conceived intellectual - when the situation indeed calls for it.

That was my say, I want to hear yours as well. Consensus on the initial question would be nice for any potential long posting posters out there. For bonus points: how does long posts affect a thread, how is your view affected on the given poster if his/her post is rather long, do you like writing/reading long posts?

I'll be honest: I would prefere to see a thread like this in /mt/, but my goal is to gather consensus; go figure. Also, please go ahead and post more Patche pictures~

Post edited on 19th Jun 2011, 1:51pm
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>> No. 8505 [Edit]
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8505
>Are wall-of-text posts frowned upon?

Not at all. Most of the time I can't muster up the effort to try and walk myself through a long post. I have enough trouble just pulling out my keyboard and doing something other than staring at my screen most of the time. And when I do type out posts, I sit there for so long just staring at the words trying to figure out what to say. Erasing everything, and many times just giving up. I've never been good at making posts. In the massive chunk of my life that I've spent on imageboards, lurking has been the majority of what I've done. I prefer to read and listen rather than try to bring up something for discussion. I wish this weren't the case, but getting past being an anxious austistic retard is hard most of the time.
>> No. 8506 [Edit]
I'd say that while I'm not the best example myself, I do prefer a well thought and wordy post especially when the poster is well informed on the topic.

It's probably best to explain your stance on a subject and help spell out what brought you to feel that way if it's not something immediate obvious, as it helps anyone who responds to you to do the same.

I think some quality issues arise when after a few short worded responses pop up, it's hard to actually agree or refute them with only four or five words to go off of. That's not to say that unneeded verbosity should be added just for padding (though I myself, enjoy reading such)but that one should try to fully draw out their stances or opinions for the better sake of the discussion at hand. I am however told that grammatically (I may be mistaken there) one should say what they aim to in as few as words as possible.

Ultimately I feel a longer status quo can trigger some to think more carefully about their post, as opposed to when a short four or five word post is considered the norm, as such can be written too quickly to warrant the time to weigh it before hand.
>> No. 8507 [Edit]
If your idea requires a long post to express properly and you structure it well (i.e. not one huge single-paragraph clusterfuck of text) then I think it's fine.
>> No. 8509 [Edit]
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>Are wall-of-text posts frowned upon?

tl;dr version: No.

I like longs posts. If someone writes a long one I usually acknowledge that he tried his best to convey his thoughts (which isn't easy, as language is quite an imperfect means of communication) and put some effort into contributing something to discussion. Of course there are long posts that are boring and ultimately lack any real 'content' (like this one) and obviously there are short ones that convey more than any wall of text could (those are the hardest ones to come up with) but overall I would prefer to see more WoTs, less one sentence posts. Then again I usually don't like threads with WoTs only. A short (in best case scenario witty one, too) post every now and then is necessary to lighten up the mood.

The biggest problem with long posts is that the posters behind them usually sound like a pretentious, arrogant ass-hats, even when they do their best not to do so. I think that even though the mere length of the post contributes towards such feelings what ultimately makes them sound the way they do is a rather peculiar choice of words some long-winded people have. I can tell most of them apart (people who aren't native English speakers are even more noticeable, as they tend to directly translate some words from their mother tongues and thus use lots of words you don't see everyday). I'd guess the influence comes from contact with 'serious literature' and unknowingly picking up similar style but then again I might be wrong.
>> No. 8510 [Edit]
There seems to be a consensus that long posts are OK as long as they are legible and concise. I also agree with this philosophy.

I find that I tend to write a lot myself, but only because I tend to be attracted to topics that require explanation.
>> No. 8513 [Edit]
I can post things that I later regret; it doesn't matter whether it's anonymously or not, it still happened and my self-consciousness knows it. Be it hate, frustration, ignorance, brain farting; what have you. If I end up writing for a while I get more time to gather my pride and see the idiocity and fallacies in my statement(s) in the works. Then I either walk away or attempt to turn the foolishness into something better. Therefore I deem it to be a good habit to spend some extra time with my words. Do these words represent who I am, is this me? Do I want to show this to others?

I'm not the person to keep a conversation flowing. I'd rather hold the thought I produce from a given thread, and post something in it later. That way it will be more likely that I can be proud of what I wrote.

Post edited on 19th Jun 2011, 11:52am
>> No. 8515 [Edit]
I lack the mental stamina to read most of these posts.
>> No. 8518 [Edit]
I always put things as concisely as possible. It makes it very difficult to write essays.
>> No. 8520 [Edit]
>Are wall-of-text posts frowned upon?

They're actually highly encouraged.
>> No. 8521 [Edit]
In the personal sense, I don't see anything wrong with walls of text. It's just a way of getting your thoughts out, and if nobody wants to read it, they don't really have to. People want to write more in order to make room in their mind. I'll go off on digressions like some kind of ADHD kid in the middle of 5th grade when I'm writing - All because I've got a lot of thoughts up in this piece. See? I'm doing it now. Then again, I'm trying to write a longer post in order to be ironic. It's just not happening, though.

I've been in the habit of building these walls before, so I'm probably biased.

As for /tc/ as a whole, I've never seen anybody get particularly ruffled because of a long post, only the content of it. Mostly because you guys are awesome~
>> No. 8583 [Edit]
no problem, but if I find a long thread with WoT replies, I'll just skip to last pages to read most recent replies. I admit it, unless the subject is interesting or the author is an experienced writer (professional columnist or novelist, etc), WoT's are mostly fatiguing. I almost never finish any fanfic in fanfiction.net because of the aforementioned reason.
I avoid posting WoT since my writing style in English is not really good (not a native speaker), I don't wanna make readers bored with my monotonous tone, less-than-educated diction and frequent grammatical mistakes.

>>8518
no, it's not your concise style, it's because you don't get enough ideas to fill your thesis.
>> No. 8591 [Edit]
>>8583
No, I just think it's idiotic how people value word count over actual content. Why would someone want to read a long essay when a short one can get the point across just as well, if not better?
>> No. 8592 [Edit]
I like to be concise. Because
>I lack the mental stamina to read most of these posts.

Depression sucks man, makes your attention span decrease.
>> No. 8593 [Edit]
>>8591
Why would you want to watch a 13-episode series when you can just read a one-sentence summary?
>> No. 8594 [Edit]
>>8593
I don't.

I try the first episode and then get bored and stop watching half way.

In fact I only have the attention span for manga where I can control the pace.
>> No. 8595 [Edit]
>>8593
>a short one can get the point across just as well, if not better?
I don't think one sentence does 286 minutes of programming justice.
>> No. 8596 [Edit]
>>8595
"Cute girls doing cute things."
>> No. 8597 [Edit]
"But instead of that, they try to make the reader believe that their thoughts have gone much further and deeper than is really the case. They say what they have to say in long sentences that wind about in a forced and unnatural way; they coin new words and write prolix periods which go round and round the thought and wrap it up in a sort of disguise. They tremble between the two separate aims of communicating what they want to say and of concealing it. Their object is to dress it up so that it may look learned or deep, in order to give people the impression that there is very much more in it than for the moment meets the eye. They either jot down their thoughts bit by bit, in short, ambiguous, and paradoxical sentences, which apparently mean much more than they say,— of this kind of writing Schelling’s treatises on natural philosophy are a splendid instance; or else they hold forth with a deluge of words and the most intolerable diffusiveness, as though no end of fuss were necessary to make the reader understand the deep meaning of their sentences, whereas it is some quite simple if not actually trivial idea,— examples of which may be found in plenty in the popular works of Fichte, and the philosophical manuals of a hundred other miserable dunces not worth mentioning; or, again, they try to write in some particular style which they have been pleased to take up and think very grand, a style, for example, par excellence profound and scientific, where the reader is tormented to death by the narcotic effect of longspun periods without a single idea in them,— such as are furnished in a special measure by those most impudent of all mortals, the Hegelians1 ; or it may be that it is an intellectual style they have striven after, where it seems as though their object were to go crazy altogether; and so on in many other cases. All these endeavors to put off the nascetur ridiculus mus — to avoid showing the funny little creature that is born after such mighty throes — often make it difficult to know what it is that they really mean. And then, too, they write down words, nay, even whole sentences, without attaching any meaning to them themselves, but in the hope that someone else will get sense out of them."


It is amusing to see how writers with this object in view will attempt first one mannerism and then another, as though they were putting on the mask of intellect! This mask may possibly deceive the inexperienced for a while, until it is seen to be a dead thing, with no life in it at all; it is then laughed at and exchanged for another. Such an author will at one moment write in a dithyrambic vein, as though he were tipsy; at another, nay, on the very next page, he will be pompous, severe, profoundly learned and prolix, stumbling on in the most cumbrous way and chopping up everything very small; like the late Christian Wolf, only in a modern dress. Longest of all lasts the mask of unintelligibility; but this is only in Germany, whither it was introduced by Fichte, perfected by Schelling, and carried to its highest pitch in Hegel — always with the best results.
And yet nothing is easier than to write so that no one can understand; just as contrarily, nothing is more difficult than to express deep things in such a way that every one must necessarily grasp them. All the arts and tricks I have been mentioning are rendered superfluous if the author really has any brains; for that allows him to show himself as he is, and confirms to all time Horace’s maxim that good sense is the source and origin of good style:
Scribendi recte sapere est et principium et fons.

[...]

On the other hand, a good author, fertile in ideas, soon wins his reader’s confidence that, when he writes, he has really and truly something to say ; and this gives the intelligent reader patience to follow him with attention. Such an author, just because he really has something to say, will never fail to express himself in the simplest and most straightforward manner; because his object is to awake the very same thought in the reader that he has in himself, and no other. So he will be able to affirm with Boileau that his thoughts are everywhere open to the light of the day, and that his verse always says something, whether it says it well or ill:
Ma pensée au grand jour partout s’offre et s’expose,
Et mon vers, bien ou mal, dit toujours quelque chose :
while of the writers previously described it may be asserted, in the words of the same poet, that they talk much and never say anything at all — quiparlant beaucoup ne disent jamais rien."
>> No. 8607 [Edit]
>>8596

Use spoiler tags please, I was planning to watch that show you know.

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