Nice picture OP.

>Never go to bars.

I never planned on it in the first place

I had a similar experience when my older brother dragged me out for my 21st birthday. Luckily he understood that I'm very reclusive and didn't try to get the whole bar going crazy about my birthday. He just bought me a pitcher and we sat outside drinking together, wasn't too bad.

>>3306
Ugh, my 21st birthday is in a few months and I know my family is going to want me to do shit

>>3307
I let my family know beforehand that I didn't want a big celebration. My brother insisted it wouldn't be a big deal so I went along with it. Maybe you can do the same thing?

>>3308
I tell them I don't want to do anything special whenever the subject comes up. Nobody ever cares about my wishes though

>>3309
That's unfortunate. Best of luck to you when the time comes.

>I tipped my hat to one of the patrons near the door and said hi

I laughed at this part. I hope you realize such a greeting hasn't been appropriate for over 70 years.

Were you wearing a fedora? Because I'm getting some powerful fedora vibes off you.

>>3307
My parents took me to some casual restaurant/bar and made me buy a beer. It would have been tolerable had my mom not made a huge fucking deal about it.

>>3311

If you didn't let people push you around and make you do things you don't want to do you wouldn't be socially awkward

>>3312
How do they "make you buy a beer"? You're an adult, you make your own decisions.

>>3311
Hey! This man was kicking it old school, clearly
many times more than the patrons of that bar.

>>3316
For the socially awkward, this is a symptom, not a cause, such individuals tend to go along with everything that another says because they are less likely to stand out that way and/or don't want to piss off and lose one of the few social links that they have. The inability to respond appropriately to another, as well as the inability to connect with another, is a problem that goes deeper than behavior that has only become apparent in the OP's late-teens.

OP was not only socially awekward, but rude in many respects, and I think even if he is socially awekward he didn't have to be antagonistic. First, pushing past someone after they've said hi, if someone ignored me and pushed past me I would be offended. Second, tipping the hat, nobody really does that nowadays and its weird, some people may not have even known it was a greeting in times past. Third, talking so brusquely to the 40 year old woman.

Even if people are jerks, they are still people. They deserve respect. As a constant victim of elitism and being looked down upon by my peers, I am sympathetic to the view that everyone deserves empathy and everyone should try to understand the point of view of others.

>>3318
this guy says how he was "dragged" out to a bar by his friends and it sounds like he really didnt enjoy being there at all. Doing something you dont want to do just to please others is pretty cowardly and it's no wonder he gave other people a bad impression

>>3320
Being nice to others is cowardly?

>>3321
if doing something you dont want to do to make other people happy is your idea of nice, then yes, you're a fucking doormat

>>3322
but avoiding going to the bar could also be seen as cowardly

>>3323
being a coward is being too afraid to do what you want to do. being a coward is not "being afraid to do what others want you to do". Judging by this post, I'd say he didn't want to be there so he was a coward for going along with his friends.

>>3324
I disagree with where you put the line between 'coward' and 'courageous'. In my opinion the difference is in intent. If you go along with your friend to the bar to make him happy even though the bar makes you uncomfortable, thats being strong. If you be a doormat and go just because he cajoled you into doing it, that is cowardice. Strength isn't just doing what you want to do because strong people sometimes must do things they don't want to for the greater good.

On an unrelated note I remember you said earlier putting 'I think' and 'I believe' in your sentances makes you sound like you lack a spine. I am interested more in giving my message unambiguously rather, clearly defining what i consider fact and opinion than whether people think I have a spine or not.

Joke's on you OP, I don't have any friends that would try to make me leave my room!

... Oh.

>>3326

Hey, it's okay. You and be both!

OP, this is why bars have alcohol in them. If you're nervous or feel awkward or out of place, and I know the feeling, drink and soon you'll stop caring about it. It might not make you more sociable or more interested in the other assholes in the bar and their stupid conversations, but you'll feel better, at least from my experience.

But some people don't react well to booze. If you can't or don't want to drink for whatever reason, just tell your friend so and don't go with him next time (if there is a next time.)

And don't wear a fedora in public if you don't want to get weird looks. The only people who can get away with those anymore are pimps and old men.

>>3329
Time to grow a beard then.

Why the heck would you want to wear fedora if you could go with flat cap instead?

>>3319
>>3320
I agree with this. Being passive, going along with everything and doing things you don't like is what makes you socially awkward. If you had an ounce of self-respect you would do the things you'd want to. Take the initiative, send the message to others that you can make decisions for yourself because you are a grown up man. This in turn will make people like you. Say you want to drink a beer if you want to drink a beer.

I have a single friend and we frequent pubs and bars from time to time. He knows I don't like talking to people and that I'm the quiet type but if there is a good vibe there is no problem in talking with people. We drink our beers, watch the match, play some games with some guys, it's all good. Then I get home and watch Pretty Cure. Also, don't talk to people you don't know, especially if they are older than you and didn't address you in the first place.

>>3316
>>3335
It's the exact opposite. If you refuse to ever step outside your comfort zone, you become socially awkward because you have no experience in dealing with things outside your comfort zone. Cowardice and self-respect have absolutely nothing to do with it -- you could have an anxiety-riddled shell of a man who achieves social fluidity and relieves anxiety through humor, for example.

>>3336
I'm not socially awkward and I barely ever leave the house or speak to other people. Pushing yourself to do something you want to do but feel anxious about I can respect. Doing something because other people push you into it and you don't really want to I can't respect. Judging by the tone of the OP's post it sounds like the latter.

>>3336
>Cowardice and self-respect have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Of course it does, if you had self-esteem you would leave your comfort zone without much of a problem, wouldn't you? It's all in the head. OP is awkward because he has low self-esteem and doesn't conform (putting on a fedora). You can't combine these two. You can combine high self-esteem and non conformism though. When I ask myself why someone would be socially awkward, the things that come to mind are:

1. No continue social interaction thus can't learn from mistakes
2. Low self-esteem thus feels inferior to others
3. Mental disorder

>>3317
Because it meant drinking with my parents. If I had my own beer by myself that would be much better.

Though it was cool since the bartender gave me a shot of something really strong, which was probably a bad idea since now I'd rather get something like brandy or scotch than beer.

>>3327
3rd!

>>3329

not op but if I started drinking I'd end up killing myself or someone else, or at least ruining any chance of being able to go out in public again amongst people who know me.

My parents keep talking about taking me out on my 21st birthday too, though I highly doubt I'll be around for it.

>>3311
>>3334
>>3329
>Implying I don't wear a stylish black M-43 Panzer tanker's cap.
I was also wearing a white shirt, a black tie, and a black trench coat. I either looked like an immigrant, a Waffen SS commando, or a formally-dressed person with proper attire for the cold weather, so that would tip people off that I would use older greetings. Plus, the band that was playing has a fanbase that wears fedoras to their performances, so in this case, a fedora would be socially apropos.

>>3319
I had a phone to my ear, which is a universal way to passively say "fuck off," and they were blocking the exit, and didn't move after I politely said "excuse me, please." The woman was also acting like she was homeless, and I felt like I must look like I'm easy if she just walked up and awkwardly stared at me. I could feel her breathing, which was what first tipped me off to noticing someone near me.

>>3325
I guess it's a thing in my social group that if you look too sure of yourself, you come off as an asshole. I have noticed that whenever I speak so sure of myself, I am always wrong, but then again, I did live with three women and no men for most of my life growing up.

>>3337
It was Saturday night, my friend was here on leave from the Air Force, I pretty much initiated the proposal to go out and have fun. I just didn't know he'd bring us to the same dump as usual and run off and talk to thirty people.

I think I am awkward because I am opinionated and obsessed with not looking crass, ignorant, or slovenly, and always try to look clean, uniform and formal, which has gotten me called a stick in the mud among other things. My parents always said I grew up when I was five, and that the Prussian blood skipped a couple generations and ran into me like a truck.

>>3447
thats even worse than a fedora

The WW2 battle attire was probably what put people off. Not exactly clubwear, but awesome nonetheless. Where do you buy such clothes OP?

>>3452
You're just jealous.

>I either looked like an immigrant, a Waffen SS commando, or a formally-dressed person with proper attire for the cold weather, so that would tip people off that I would use older greetings.

That doesn't mean people aren't going to be thrown off by a greeting that went out in the forties. Especially with your wearing all that stuff that doesn't go together in the same outfit. There's nothing wrong with being non-comformist, but like someone else in here said it only works if you've got high self-esteem and don't care about getting looks.

I'm not blaming you. I'm incredibly socially awkward myself. The only difference between us is that you try to socialize and I don't.

If you don't want to be crass or socially awakward you could start by not dressing like a nazi commando

>>3461
Highly agree with this, just dress normal and you can't stand out.

My problem however is not how I dress. People don't really care, nevermind negatively comment, on my attire. My problem is with speaking to strangers no matter how I am dressed.

>Never go to bars.
These feelings of being out of place or nervous in social situations are EASILY remedied by consuming alcohol or MDMA. The latter actually makes me enjoy human contact.

>>3523
no it doesn't
it just takes away my inhibition to reacting violently when im taken out of my comfort zone.

Going to a bar with a couple of friends to grab some drinks and chat is nice. I've never tried to mix in with the random normals or pick up sluts or anything like that. That would probably suck.

>>3452
I donno, this past week alone I got five random girls to compliment me on my hat, when I'm usually never even spoken to when wearing a baseball cap or no hat.

>>3455
Depends on how much you are willing to spend. Mine was a fluke purchase at a foreign surplus store nearby called the Army Barracks. They rarely have anything in the store that fits me, so when I found this hat for $15, it was obligatory to purchase. One of my better judgements.

To be fair I have ditched the trenchcoat in favor of a barn coat and white scarf for the time being. Less formal and not military-esque. I still keep the cap though.

>>3610
Post a picture of yourself in the outfit or something. If not that, just a pic of the clothes would suffice.

Some people can pull the style off well. Conversely, I've seen some skinny, pale, angry looking nerds who just look ridiculous in such outfits.

>>3613
>Post a picture of yourself
lets not go there

>>3614
I was about to post the same thing

>>3614
Oh is this a rule here I was unaware of?

>>3622
It's just a bit of a taboo here, all things considered.

We don't like looking at 3D and anything that reminds us of the bad side of 4chan

>>3582
uh, MDMA makes you violent? How - some people use that on autistic people. Well some sutistic people use it to act neurotypical at times.

>>3634
I think he meant alcohol, which is known for removing inhibitions (consider the phrase "angry drunk").

>>3635
that too

>>3624
>>3623
he could have spoilered the upload though. Though I understsand its too much close to normalfsggotry and /soc/ BS

>>3610
Wear a domo hat or stuff that marks you as an anime fan. Shit is so fun to do at times, you get random niggas in the ghetto discussing the local cons or various shit.

>>3613
I'll post some images of the ensembles on hangers but I have a personal issue with posting my likeness on certain imageboards.