>like other things like Call of Duty and Linkin Park.
What does this have to do with anime? And Linkin Park isn't that popular anymore.

>>6750
Although he seems to be displaying some resentment in the Gen Z section, I believe he is primarily trying to establish what type of people they are.

I started watching anime 5 years ago, before that I thought anime was for socially awkward wierdos. Only two shows I've seen before 2000 are Eva and Slayers. Rest assured i will be posting this on Facebook while listening to Linkin Park

>>6750
>>6751
>>6752

I meant no particular resentment towards them. It's simply that often when I meet people like this, Anime is less of 'Their Thing', but rather merely something they enjoy and can speak of in the same breath with things like Linkin Park and Call of Duty.

Actually that's more of a comment on their less obsessive nature about Anime, and they have more in common with Gen X than the others. The subtle implication here is that Anime has become less cultish in a way, but perhaps not how the older guys would have hoped.

Also as for the Facebook/Youtube comments remark, that's more of how I demonstrate how the methods changed over time to become more open (In person--->BBS--->Forums--->[Imageboards--->]Facebook). Continuing in line with the thought in the last paragraph about how things changed.

I think anime being less cultish is a good thing honestly

  >Mostly stream their anime and don't read manga

Reading Naruto on youtube is what the cool kids do.

>>6737
>don't read manga

Doesn't every big3 fan read the original manga? And couldn't liking video games and music apply just as easily for the '80s and '90s crowd? But other than that, I guess it's more or less right, though I'm not quite sure if there's a purpose to all this.

>>6758
Gen Y here and hardly ever read manga.

>>6759
I don't much either. Not so much because I don't like it, but because it is really quite expensive.

I hate reading it on a computer screen. Just doesn't work for me. I guess I could print out what I download, but I am lazy too.

I fit the gen y description quite well otherwise except I never got into Pokemon. I could have been gen x as my birth date puts me in a relative grey area ('82).

>>6753
>In person--->'zines--->BBS--->Forums--->[Imageboards--->]Facebook

they were like if there was a doujin version of Shonen Jump with horrendous print quality, real amateur publication. back in the 80's the weeb crowd in america was a small faction of the scifi fan subculture, you'd see a lot of japanese stuff in scifi 'zines. i remember akira being a pretty big deal well before the movie was out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine

>>6760
yeah it's not the same on screen as having a copy in hand, and I always felt if you're going to read a manga on your pc screen, why not read a version of it in color, with audio, and images that move?

>>6762
One reason for reading manga is to get the entire storyline. TV episodes have to be pushed out on schedules, and they often can't do the original manga justice. Compare the show Berserk to the manga and you'll see what I mean.


The waves of anime fans concept is very interesting and is something I've thought of on my own before. I've always wondered what it would be like to be one of the early fans of something like anime or manga. Even now, in 2011, I find myself without people in real life to share my interests with. The early fans must have felt pervasive and total loneliness. Have any of you guys wondered what it would be like to be early fans? Were any of you earlier fans? If so I'd like to hear about it.

It would be much better to use specific series as 'milestones' instead of generations. It's not like everybody gets into anime by the time they are 12 (what hamish said). Rather than using 80s-90s-00s I think it'd be much better to go with Harlock/Mach Go Go Go - [whatever-was-big-in-between]* - Saint Seiya - DBZ/Pokemon/Sailor Moon/Slayers - Eva/GitS/GTO? - Spirited Away was pretty big I'd say (winning an academy award and all) - Big 3/FMA - Death Note/Geass?.

Something like that. More or less. Of course we could argue about the specific titles but that's not my point, those are up to debate.

* Interestingly enough I kinda got into anime by watching stuff like Harlock and Mach GoGoGo on VHS (especially the latter) even though I was born in 91.

>>6760
>>6760
Man, am I the only guy who actually thinks reading manga on the computer is the best way to read manga? When I do buy physical copies, it's not for ease of comfort or anything but to just show my respect to the original author.

>>6775
I think so as well, but it always depends. HQ scans that can fit in my entire monitor are preferable for me. But if it's shitty scans I'd rather just get the manga.

>>6775
I prefer reading it on a computer as well. After spending so much time online it feels more natural to read things on a screen instead of paper.
>>6774
That does make a lot of sense. I also feel like there are "tiers" within the waves of fans, if that makes sense, levels of how far people have delved into anime and manga since initial exposure.

>>6775
>>6780
>>6781

You darn kids.

My age may be showing, but I just don't like manga on a computer screen. I didn't have a computer until '97. I was 15. My exposure till then was limited to the Apple ][e s at school. You haven't lived till you die of dysentery or snake bite.

That also led to me sucking at typing, preferring to write, in cursive if you can believe it.

Back on topic it sucks to be me. I was born in '82. Leaving me in the transition of these generation things. I don't really fit in with either. The aversion to the whole social networking facebook stupidity at least helps me feel I have something in common with you younger folks.

Sorry for the blog post. I just needed someone to talk to

>Gen Z [00-10's]
>don't read manga
>Not all that into anime
Have you ever been to a convention?

>>6791
If someone only likes one or two shows, or rarely watches anything outside of the same old adult swim library, I'd say they're not all that into anime

>>6792
Have you ever been to a convention?

>>6796
No because I am not a Ford Driver.

>>6792
I'd agree, I don't think watching what's on TV because it's on even qualifies people as fans.

>>6791
People go to cons to socialize and find landwhales to fuck, I'm sure they could not care less what the topic of the convention was.

By that logic, /cgl/ must be the hive for the biggest anime fans.

>>6762
Pace control (some anime drag things out to fill time), better art (animation is expensive, animating good drawings is expensive)

>>6803
to be fair there are other reasons to go (like buying merchandise and such) but yeah, for people like us they should probably be avoided

>>6805
People always talk about going to cons for the merchandise, but that seems like an excuse, a poor one at that.
merchandise hardly seems worth the long drive with travel costs, price of admission (possible a hotel stay, or sleeping in your car) dealing with the endless sea of hyperactive cosplaying landwhales, and the time spent.
Unless you're buying in very large quantities, I would think it better to buy online.

>>6792
wtf? Theyre not just watching it on TV, the younger generation are pretty much the only people buying anime and manga at this point. I cant believe how out of touch with reality you people are. Anyone who grew up watching anime in the 90s or earlier probably isnt an anime fan anymore, they grew out of it and moved on.

>>6802
I dont think downloading torrents and scanlations of readily available anime and manga qualifies someone as a fan either.

>>6807
The only way to watch stuff for many fans who don't torrent is to buy dvds, and that's not cheap by any means.
people who reply on dvds have a view scope on anime limited to what they can afford.
specking from personal experience, I've been down this road myself, without internet at the time, the only way I could watch something was to buy it on dvd, or get a friend to burn the show into dvd for me, which was how I first saw cowboy bebop.
Back then, most of what I knew about anime was either what was shown on adult swim, or in the ads on anime dvds.
Once I bought my first computer, things exploded for me, I was downloading anime night and day, craming in tons of shows and learning all sorts of things about this world I wanted to take part in, but could only glance at from behind the window put up by the western anime industry.
Adultswim showed some cool stuff which is good for starting out with, but their library isn't very big, and they'd just repeat a lot of their stuff endlessly.

I learned that some of the dvds I bought back then are actually bootleg, in spite of being store bought, so much for supporting the industry there...


oh and fyi, most people here are in their mid to late 20s.

>>6808
>The only way to watch stuff for many fans who don't torrent is to buy dvds

Theres free legal streaming

>>6809
yeah... you can't do that unless you have a computer or something to connect to the internet with.

fan
noun
an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity

it doesn't matter if you buy something or not.

>>6798
It's hard to know what other anime fans are like if you never leave your house.

>>6812
unless one day some sort of network that allows people to communicate with others without leaving their homes exists

Post edited on 20th Oct 2011, 4:24pm

>>6812
ever go to youtube?

>>6813
Therefore it should be obvious Gen Z watches more than "one or two shows".

>>6815
i'm not really sure what you mean

Gen X [80's]
Gen Y [90's]
Gen Z [00-10's]

why does gen z get two?

>>6796
I did recently. I really wish now that I took you guys' advice and not. It really was bad. The people there were awful, and there were WAY too many there.

Getting merchandise isn't a good reason to go either. They didn't have anything even remotely rare there. Nothing against some of the popular stuff. I really like K-On. Still I would have been better off buying online.

>>6807
Watching only what's aired on TV doesn't make you a fan is probably what was intended.

Also, if you're against piracy and "can't believe how out of touch with reality" we are, you might be in the wrong place.

>>6763
The early fans knew each other IRL often as that's hwo shit got around, via fansubbing groups IRL as well as at old (early) anime conventions. I knew old people who went to anime conventions, some of them had an overlap with US-generated animation as well as science fiction as back then science fiction was the major scene of that time period

>>6803
No, people go to conventions to discuss anime and buy shit. I say that as someone who HAS gone to conventions for years. The /cgl/ crowd seems to do shit more for socialization & hookups yes (given they reruit people from outside the culture at all; yeah I can see that. That and the people who only go for the raves and room parties). But people Do go to cons for anime stuff. There ARE panels and whartnot there.

>>6806
I live in a major city where the cons are literally on the other side of the city from where I live. Depending on how I get there I can be there within less than 30 minutes, so I do not need to do all the hell of hotel rooms and whatnot, but I have done that more often recently due to ease of things.

>Middle Wave - Gen Y [90's]
I guess I'm this? I didn't know any of it was called anime and didn't majorly get into it until late in 07.

I did go through a phase of being a Naruto fan though, pretty much only because it's what pointed me towards manga as a whole.
Only reason I'm still even reading it is out of obligation to finish something I've read so far into.

Dad was pre-second generation, something you left out (astroboy, Speed Racer, gatchaman, etc) uncle is second wave. God damn is he the epitome of it...

I think Gen Y should be split into pre-1998 and Post-1998, Eva, FF VII and others sort of prompted a boom that doesn't fit quite with Gen Y and is only common with Gen Z in terms of time period.

I was a closeted Gen Y until 2007, and now am an Akiba-Kei. I guess it's sort of limited to us, but could the post-Haruhi Akiba-Kei (moetards) sort of could be considered a Gen AA? We still have a couple more good waves to look forward to at least...