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519 No. 519 [Edit]
So, what's your current political standing? Find out:
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>> No. 1189 [Edit]
>>1182
>Even then, stability isn't the end all be all.
I mean, how is it not? First and foremost you want to not be getting killed/raped/eaten. Everything after that is just a luxury. A sane society would value social stability and homogeneity over abstracts like freedom.
>> No. 1190 [Edit]
>>1189
Stability just means less conflict in the government and between the government and people. A bit more conflict doesn't mean complete lawlessness.
>> No. 1192 [Edit]
>>1188
Taken just from a chronological viewpoint, anything classical liberal and diverging from that theory is the real example of the extreme. Well, maybe being hyper-traditional to the point of disassociating from the last 200 years of politics is an extreme position in the modern world, but if it is then it's only because the world has shifted so extremely in a new and strange direction. Is it really that hard to believe that some people exist who still genuinely hold beliefs that were common for a much longer time? Just calling someone or something "extremist" so you can discount it and feel safe in your belief in the superiority of modern philosophy is intellectually dishonest. And I don't think I've seen you or anyone else make a single attempt to actually explain your dislike of monarchies or why the classical liberal ideology is so good beyond ad hominems, very strange projections, and a couple strawmen about how monarchy is backwards and religion is for slaves and yada yada. No system is perfect and monarchy definitely doesn't come close, so there are a lot of genuine arguments against it. Pretty much the only valid one posited so far is that relying on a single strong individual for leadership can backfire if their children go horribly wrong. There are of course safegaurds for this like regents, which deviates somewhat from pure monarchy, but the most important thing about a system or country is that it cannot easily be changed, especially from the outside. If a country is good, there is no point in making drastic changes beyond tariff adjustments and maybe addressing unforeseen problems like a new factor in solving crimes. Because if a system is good, why change it? And if a system constantly has to be changed, when and how was it ever good to begin with? That's my own fundamental problem with democracy. I don't see why people should be able to change the government in the first place, monarch or no. If it wasn't going to be monarchy, then a limited oligarchy would be good, or ideally a system with a fixed core constitution that cannot be changed or amended, where the governing bodies function only to uphold the law, not to revise it. I don't like the idea that a country can theoretically transform into something completely different. Which is a big part of why I don't like any of the revolutionary movements in the first place.

Monarchy is just the best possible option I arrived at by reductive reasoning and getting rid of possible systems in order of which ones presented the biggest potential for problems. All said and done, a monarchy provides the greatest chance of long term stability. A lot of what you've heard about monarchies problems are most likely greatly exaggerated. After all, who or what led YOU to your ideology?
>>1190
What value does that conflict have at all though? And why should a people be in conflict with their government at all? This idea of looking for tyrants in your own government is pretty ludicrous and can only be a result of attempts to divide people from rulers who are actually OF them. And one main benefit to having a monarch with biological inheritance is that, assuming they came from the people of that country, they will be the same race and thus a people can be assured that they are ruled by themselves. A people is not capable of ruling themselves if anyone can become a ruler. But, I guess you probably don't think much of valuing race or racial tribalism either. So you probably can't see the benefit in having rulers that are guaranteed to be the same race and religion.
>> No. 1193 [Edit]
>>1188
I preferred monarchies originally because, just from a standpoint of trusting a political ideology to be honest, the entire republican revolutionary movement in France, Spain, etc. was incredibly destructive and incredibly repulsive. I was raised by a very religious family so maybe I'm just biased to begin with, but any movement that praises itself for burning down churches and killing people out of jealousy is a non-starter for me. And in general I strongly suspect all the movements that attack traditional culture of sinister motives. It's hard not to when you can see such an obvious pattern with the end result of the truly vile modern state of things. Now, if you look at the world today and it's okay to you the way it is, that's fine, and it puts the conversation into an entirely different light. I'm not going to try and argue with you if your core values are fundamentally different from mine. But you have to understand that from my point of view, the classical liberal movement, egalitarians, communists, are the extremists. I don't see myself as extreme, because my beliefs are supported by thousands of years of human civilization. I see the modern world as insane. It feels like a nightmare that I can't wake up from and it doesn't seem real. Because how, how the FUCK can I really be living in a country where a nigger can be a politician?
>> No. 1194 [Edit]
>>1193
>I was raised by a very religious family
So you've been poisoned. I'm glad I don't have any of that in my head aside from some cultural osmosis.
>my beliefs are supported by thousands of years of human civilization
Humans have spent far longer being uncivilized than civilized. From that perspective, it makes more sense to go back to hunter gatherer societies. Maybe people would be happier or whatever then. This whole society thing is crazy. Other animals don't do it and they've been around for even longer. The point is, time scales don't matter.
>if you look at the world today and it's okay to you the way it is, that's fine
I have problems with the way things are, but I feel right now is the best time to be alive and there has never been a greater time than the present.

>>1192
You could find my problems with any of what you've written here in my other posts, so I wont repeat myself.
>who or what led YOU to your ideology?
I think about what I like and what would realistically be good or bad for the things I like. That's all.

Post edited on 7th Mar 2021, 12:59pm
>> No. 1195 [Edit]
>>1194
>So you've been poisoned.
No I just actually have a background that spans further than the French revolution instead of being a rootless cultural infant.
>> No. 1196 [Edit]
>>1195
Your Americana, protestant nonsense is hardly older than the French revolution. How often did your parents listen to Bach? Everybody has access to the same cultural resources. What you call "roots" are vices that entrap your mind. What are you doing on an website for otaku? Shouldn't you be focusing on your "roots" a bit more?

Post edited on 7th Mar 2021, 4:14pm
>> No. 1197 [Edit]
>>1188
And yet more cowardly and snide comments. But then I don't know why I should expect better from you...

And it's not true so why concede? I already even addressed it but you lack an argument.
>> No. 1198 [Edit]
>>1196
>Your Americana, protestant nonsense is hardly older than the French revolution.
I was raised Roman Catholic
>How often did your parents listen to Bach?
Quite a lot actually. Or, at least, my mom made sure we listened to it while in the car as kids.
>What are you doing on an website for otaku?
Relaxing?
>> No. 1199 [Edit]
>>1198
So your parents worship an old guy on the other side of the planet and corpses people pretend were saints. Okay. I actually prefer protestantism despite it being newer. Another example of time scales not mattering. Your way of relaxing makes you a Japanophile race-traitor. If you actually cared about your roots you wouldn't soak yourself in heathen, squinty-eye shit.
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Religion is a tricky subject for me, I understand for the average person the social aspect of it is pretty much the whole reason it still exists but supporting it because of the tradition to fight destructive ideas like self-hating communists trying to make inroads into your country isn't bad in my opinion.
There is an amusing irony in a Roman Catholic being a monarchist, though.
>> No. 1201 [Edit]
>>1200
Supporting something you don't believe in for utilitarian purposes related to "their group" is for normalfags. People here aren't supposed to have any sense of group identity and those who do are fakers and hypocrites. It's not about hating yourself, it's about hating everyone else who doesn't understand and accept your interests and personality.

Post edited on 8th Mar 2021, 11:10am
>> No. 1202 [Edit]
>>1199
>>1201
>Your way of relaxing makes you a Japanophile race-traitor. If you actually cared about your roots you wouldn't soak yourself in heathen, squinty-eye shit.
You know, I don't know where you got this impression, but most religions and even most fascist systems don't really give that much of a shit about that kind of thing. It's not like I'm actually fucking anime girls. And my take on "racial loyalty" is a pretty utilitarian one in reality. There's a lot of retarded shit in modern fascist groups, mainly because they are imitating elements of older countries unique fascism that they don't understand, and don't realize were time-sensitive to the cultures that created them. In my opinion it's about preserving (1) the memory of your culture and (2) the actual, physical existence of your race, and to a realistic extent its purity. Because at the end of the day, no matter what you tell yourself, niggers, arabs, and most asians are fucking stupid so if you like being around smarter people, you should dislike race-mixing and mixed societies. And as to the second post, I just can't help not liking people of different races and cultures. I used to be a really big individualist and to the extent possible, I still am, but I realized somewhere along the way that you have to base your actions on what gives you real power and real resources to take your own freedom for yourself in the world. Mindlessly cutting yourself off and trying to go it alone doesn't make you more free, because freedom is a measurement of power available to you at the moment, and nothing more. If you want to be "free" you have to aspire to the nietzschean ubermensch, not in the sense of being physically built and masculine, but in the real, mental sense of putting yourself and your actions "above man". The Ubermensch was someone who would be morally and physically above humanity, who would use their power to shape the world to their desires. This is freedom. Being a bum, being an anarchist, that is not real freedom. It only gives you freedom "from" things by cutting them off from yourself, but it does not give you freedom "of" things, of action, of mobility, of real world power. And so, in the end, real freedom is achieved when you find a group with the same goals and some amount of real-world power who can supplement your own ambitions. You are not wrong to hate the world, and you should not take it lightly and just attempt to be okay with normalfags, just because you prefer white people or hate niggers more and have certain preferences doesn't make the average dumbass anymore pleasant to be around. For me it was just a clarity of mind when I realized that just because I don't like a lot of the people who would live in a "white" society or a religious society doesn't mean I have to like niggers and faggots. And last of all, was the realization that life was a compromise. It's not about the perfect world but the one that you'd be best off in. After weighing all the options, turns out that as a white person it's just best to be in a homogeneous white society. Even if I'm a recluse, and even if it means I'm expected to work, it's preferable to what we have now.

I also just thought that your post is kind of silly considering Hitler admired Japan to an extent and genuinely considered them worth keeping around as an ally for cultural reasons alone, more than Italy.
>> No. 1203 [Edit]
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>>1202
>niggers, arabs, and most asians are fucking stupid
Most white people are stupid too. In fact, the average east asian is probably smarter than the average white person.
>you have to base your actions on what gives you real power and real resources to take your own freedom for yourself in the world
Real power? Are you joking? How much of your life have you already used up? Did you manage to "shape the world to your desires" even a little? Are you delusional enough to believe what you're saying? When you're rotting in the ground, living members of your race wont give two fucks about you. If you really commit to normalfaggotry, you'll try having kids to better delude yourself.

The most powerful people on the planet are also the ones who take advantage of others the most and say whatever is advantageous to them. Having any principles or convictions makes it less likely for you to become a "powerful person". Start a company, invest in stocks and never mention racial purity if you want the most "freedom of action" possible.
>they are imitating elements of older countries unique fascism that they don't understand, and don't realize were time-sensitive to the cultures that created them
Culture isn't a function of time, and the cultural changes we've undergone weren't inevitable. You take certain things for granted and assume these changes are time based to avoid confronting how the modern world has also influenced you despite your insistence that you disagree with every political idea from the last 200 years or whatever nonsense you like to tell yourself. Hitler was embarrassed by and hid his own disney fan art. If even a leader like him, who's less affected by the consequences of cultural taboo did that, what would it be like for the average person?

>Hitler admired Japan to an extent and genuinely considered them worth keeping around as an ally for cultural reasons alone, more than Italy.
"My association with Japan was never popular. We will furthermore cause unrest in the Far East and Arabia. Let us think of ourselves as masters and consider these people as best as lacquered half-monkeys who need to feel the knout"
Even if you aren't convinced by this quote, there's no way in hell Hitler, a wannabee classical artist, would prioritize Japan over the center of Rome and birthplace of the renaissance culturally. If he suggested so, that's more proof that he had no problem with lying for political purposes.

Post edited on 8th Mar 2021, 2:17pm
>> No. 1204 [Edit]
>>1202
Power to do what? Sure if you have a job you have spending power but no other power plus the job has power over you, being in any group gives that group power over you. To gain the most power you would accrue resources in as solitary a way as possible and not form connections with those that can not benefit you. Most people don't offer any thing that can help you.

>I also just thought that your post is kind of silly considering Hitler admired Japan to an extent and genuinely considered them worth keeping around as an ally for cultural reasons alone, more than Italy.

I think it is silly too but I would not agree with that either, the reason Hitler wanted to keep Britain in shape(which was possibly partly why he let them go at Dunkirk) was actually to combat Japan(as well as the US and Soviets), he recognised that if Britain was destroyed Germany would not be able to fill that world wide void(they lacked the navy, though so did the Soviets...) and he preferred that Britain did it than the others.

>>1203
>Most white people are stupid too.
>The most powerful people on the planet are also the ones who take advantage of others the most and say whatever is advantageous to them. Having any principles or convictions makes it less likely for you to become a "powerful person"

And yet you still support democracy...

Also, Adolf Gallant had a picture of Mickey Mouse on his plane so it most not have been that big of a taboo.

Post edited on 8th Mar 2021, 5:20pm
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>> No. 1206 [Edit]
>>1203
>Most white people are stupid too. In fact, the average east asian is probably smarter than the average white person.
You clearly don't understand just how stupid niggers actually are. Or "most east asians" for that matter. I can assure that Japan is something of an anomally and there's a reason that the islanders, Koreans, and Vietnamese were considered on the same level as actual africans. People in the west only believe in the "asians are smart" stereotype because they only see the rich ones that could afford to travel to western countries. What they fail to realize is that there are something like 2 billion east asians and the vast majority are actual monkeys. The average white person is certainly "stupid" from an upper middle class point of view, and if you were raised in suburbia and ran into some trailer park wiggers or city "people" you'd be pretty shocked, but taken all together and compared with just how unbelievably retarded other races get, the average white person, as stupid as they are compared to standards for intellect and logic, is still much more intelligent.

>>1204
And I'll just say this to both of you, if you really think that cutting yourself off from civilization and humanity will give you more objective, comparative power over your own life, you're a fucking idiot. The first rule of war is not to use superior tactics, or technology or whatever, as it turns out the first rule is "always outnumber the enemy army". The reason I bring this up is because people have this idea in their heads, probably given to them by superhero or action movies, that a single person can outwit and outdo a much larger group if they just act smarter, or fight smarter, or think smarter or whatever. This is only true when you hold a massive advantage already like being three steps ahead technologically or dealing with actual retards. But it doesn't work in general. When I say "real power" I'm not talking about some grandiose bullshit. That's just the word I use because, well, there isn't anything else to describe it with. Your relationship with reality can be described in terms of how much power you have relative to your environment.It's just that simple, it's the basic thermodynamic equation. I'm not talking about actual warfare necessarily, I just use it as a metaphor because people understand macro-scale ideas better. It's easy to understand why a 500lb rock will overcome a 5lb rock, but when you deal with smaller scales people can be tricked by their own personal self-delusion that warps their perspective of reality. While you might think that as one person, you could just go off with a camper and some belongings and steal or barter your way through life, that could only ever work if a system was there to make your plan possible. If taken to it's superlogical extreme (superlogical is the assumption that other people will behave the same way as you in the same situation, so for example if everyone became a nomad and society collapsed) it's not a sustainable way to live and you would lose the little freedom you gained. This is an example of one school of "personal freedom" taken to a logical conclusion in a semi-realistic way. You could become a homeless wanderer, and cut off all ties, and you would be "free" in that you had relations with no other humans beyond what you take from society to survive, but you definitely wouldn't have a lot of power over your own life. You would be restricting the possibilities of your life to the limited amount of things you can do with no money, no property, no legal residence, and no substantial societal momentum to use to fix your problems when and if they arrive. It is "freedom" only in freedom FROM things, in being cut off, estranged, "freed" from the majority of humanity. It is not freedom in the objective, measurable power that can be exerted over your own life. This is, I think, what Stirner was trying to get at in his book. There's a delusional idea that freedom for humans consists of cutting off things and removing them from your life. When you view reality as a power equation instead, which physically at least is the true model, then you realize how little freedom someone who is cut off really has.

I'm not going to say you're wrong or call you an anarchist degenerate or some stupid bullshit because I think there's nothing wrong with wanting that kind of isolated lifestyle and personally, it's what I wanted for the majority of my current lifespan. But when you view reality in terms of the power you have to do what you want, you realize that it doesn't give you very much and takes a lot more in return, which sadly means that true isolation is either impossible or very unpleasant.
>The most powerful people on the planet are also the ones who take advantage of others the most and say whatever is advantageous to them. Having any principles or convictions makes it less likely for you to become a "powerful person". Start a company, invest in stocks and never mention racial purity if you want the most "freedom of action" possible.
Who says that isn't what I do? It's not like I say this stuff around normalfags, or like I even interact with them that much. Again just because I prefer white people on a sliding scale doesn't mean that most white people are high up on that scale of mine.
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Using /tat/ as a real board was fun but I see why it's mostly used like /trash/ containment now.
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>>1206
Koreans are genetically nearly identical to Japanese and iq results, for what they're worth, do place East Asia above Europe and the US. Also, East Asia =/= South East Asia. Whatever anecdotal bs you have to justify your impression doesn't matter.

I obviously don't believe in cutting myself off from civilization since I'm using the internet. I don't live in the woods or anything like that either. Cutting yourself off and not having a sense of group identity means doing so mentally. While I highly doubt it, if you are a super rich person, congrats I guess. Maybe "internet rich guy" should become a thing. Did you do it by only hiring white people, or are you more of a hypocrite than I thought? While I was pissed off and felt like pissing off other people in some of my posts here, I think you're somewhat mentally sick and not in a good way based on this non-sequitor, gibberish wall of text you've got there.

Post edited on 9th Mar 2021, 10:13am
>> No. 1209 [Edit]
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I'm not racist, even though I used to be. People are so programmed by the media these days that I respect anyone of any race that dares to think different.
>> No. 1210 [Edit]
>>1209
Racism is nothing more than the belief that different races have different behavioral tendencies and average intelligence. Being not racist means you don't think any patterns associated with race exist.
>> No. 1211 [Edit]
>>1210
That's racialism. Using slurs is pretty racist
>> No. 1212 [Edit]
>>1206
>Your relationship with reality can be described in terms of how much power you have relative to your environment.It's just that simple, it's the basic thermodynamic equation.

And you don't need to be a part of a group for that, really in this world that requires money and you don't need to be a part of a group to have money. You are comparing being a loner to a nomad or a homeless person but it is nothing like it al all, you could be a billionaire with his own mansion and seclude himself in it. You would still have far more power than 99% of people.

>But when you view reality in terms of the power you have to do what you want, you realize that it doesn't give you very much and takes a lot more in return, which sadly means that true isolation is either impossible or very unpleasant.

What actually do you think it takes and why do you think it is impossible?


>>1208
IQ does not mean much it's just a rough guide. There are some major issues with it, such as the fact it is a test so it can be trained for and certain systems of education will better do that, the fact that IQ tests are not actually all the same and that they may not be taken from the same kind of people. Some IQ tests take into account different averages, so a nation might base their IQ test around the average intelligence of the EU and another might base it around the Average intelligence of the world. Meaning that the EU averaged test would give a lower result because the average it is compared to is higher and the global test would give you a higher result as you are comparing yourself to many developing nations.

>>1209
I am in the most primal terms, I just simply find Europeans to be more attractive, and largely in a cultural terms but things like intelligence are so incredibly complex that I still don't have a set view on just how race based it even is, because a large amount of it can be attributed to diet and education. The genetic element is there but is that because some Genetics are superior and were always so(and even then does that mean that every races has such genes and it is just a matter of how drowned out they are by inferior ones?) or is it that generations of good nutrition and education have made the genetics be better? Or is it that the best genes tend to succeed and breed with each other making them pool upwards in society and that is what causes it? So this may mean it is environment based, caste based or a combination of the two.
>> No. 1213 [Edit]
>>1208
That's just my style of speaking, I tend to ramble. I also tend to make connections from one topic to the next that most people don't see. I guess that's just a jarring part of my personality, I've been aware of it from elementary school onwards. Don't think too much about it. I response to both you and >>1209, I would say my racism is primarily as >>1212 described. I also definitely tend to associate with people based on race. I think it's just normal to want to be around people of the same race, and regardless, I just prefer it. I tried not be racist for a long time but eventually I just came to the conclusion that there was nothing wrong with feeling most comfortable around people from the same culture and ethnic group, and that admitting that some groups were clearly, historically, greater or lesser, was just admitting reality. I guess some parts of my behavior are just "racialist" for example while I would not (in a hypothetical scenario where I do for some reason have kids) have kids with an East Asian, I don't tend to have a problem with them and I can admit their cultures accomplishments, being farther up the technological and societal ladder than pretty much anyone but Europeans. However in other cases I'm just genuinely racist, when it comes to sub-saharan africans and aboriginals they're clearly just on a lower rung of development. I find it very hard to believe that there are no distinct genetic predispostions to lower intelligence and other behaviors among them.
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>>1213
The only people of my "own race"(I'm debatably a halfie) which I've liked are a few members of my family who live abroad. Other than that, I've either been indifferent or had negative experiences with them. Personality was always more of factor in how much I could tolerate my classmates than race. The people I talked to ranged from white, indian and asian, in more or less equal amounts. Overall I probably feel most comfortable around non-religious Slavs, and non-Chinese asians despite having no relation to the latter. Basebal/football loving, wonderbread, white, Christian Americans are ugly and put me on edge. "White" is too broad to begin with and grouping them together is part of the "retarded shit" modern fascist groups like to do.

>I don't tend to have a problem with them
You called Koreans monkeys despite them being practically the same as Japanese people. If you're on this website, that means you're supposed to prefer the cultural products of east asians more than those of your own people you're "more comfortable around". How do you explain that?
>than pretty much anyone but Europeans
You can't even compare places like Moldova and Romania to Japan, or South Korea for that matter. Some Europeans are really unimpressive. I'm inclined to believe the baton is just being passed, from Mediterraneans/Middle Easterns, to Europeans and now to Asians.
>> No. 1215 [Edit]
Very off-topic but I remember controversy when Encyclopedia Dramatica was the first result for aboriginal. Good times.
>> No. 1216 [Edit]
>>1214
>If you're on this website, that means you're supposed to prefer the cultural products of east asians more than those of your own people you're "more comfortable around". How do you explain that?
It's simple, really. Japanese 2D media actually tries to be aesthetically appealing, and it succeeds. There's a lot of other things I like about it of course, but that's really all there is to it when you ask what stirs my emotions. Even the crudest, most degenerate works are actually more beautiful than a modern hollywood movie. King Arthur is probably both more compellingly, heroically, and accurately portrayed in Fate/Stay Night garbage of all things than a recent TV interpretation. That's not a joke. And if you think about it, you'd probably agree I'm right. Again, you brought up the whole "why would a right-winger watch anime" cliche, and again, I fail to see the problem. It's not a problem for me, so why should someone who doesn't even share my values care?

As for race, well, there are obviously many different levels you could start separation at, but when I tell you that I"m blonde haired, blue eyed, fair skinned, and speak English, you know exactly what I mean when I say "white" and exactly what civilization I'm referring to when I talk about their accomplishments. Comparing western europeans and nordics to romanians, when saying that "white" or "European" are too vague, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Personally I've always gotten along best with people of the same ethnic makeup as me, not to say I ever got along with anyone WELL. You and other posters don't seem to like my long rambling style, so I won't continue this post. I could say a lot about a lot of things in reference to a lot of things that you've mentioned and it bothers me that I can't explain everything I think in such a limited space. Even when I talk for hours on end I often feel like I only just started cracking into the heart of the topic when the conversation ends.

And don't ever compare the copycat trash made by South Korea with what Japan has done. If the Japanese and Koreans are "practically the same" then they left all the most retarded ones on the mainland.
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>>1216
>I fail to see the problem.
It feels half-assed and hypocritical. Like somebody is reluctantly dipping their toes in because they think they have no choice. It also calls into question how comparable you are to myself. I don't know where I stand with somebody who hasn't burned all their other bridges and claims to support a cause which doesn't easily and cleanly fit into things. There are right-wingers with a vehement hatred for otaku media and that makes more comfortable sense. I also try to be a purist about these things.

>I tell you that I"m blonde haired, blue eyed, fair skinned, and speak English
That can describe a Nord, a Brit, a Russian or a Jew. Do you use Caucasian as a synonym for white, or are you part of the "wholly European descent" crowd? How should I know?

>Comparing western Europeans and Nordics to Romanians, when saying that "white" or "European" are too vague, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
What the hell does that even mean? Do you think there's no blue-eyed, blonde Romanians? What about Spaniards and Mediterraneans? Francs aren't the same as Nords. They just aren't. I'm not of "wholly European descent", but I have pale skin, blue eyes and, when I was a kid, blonde hair. Can I or can I not "take pride" in Issac Newton and Bach too? It's nonsensical.

Koreans have been better copycats than white people for the most part, so what does that say? A smaller market is probably more to blame for South Korea's lower quality than anything else

Post edited on 12th Mar 2021, 10:24pm
>> No. 1218 [Edit]
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>>1214
>You called Koreans monkeys despite them being practically the same as Japanese people. If you're on this website, that means you're supposed to prefer the cultural products of east asians more than those of your own people

They are different as is the media they produce, one doesn't actually have to like Koreans or the Chinese to like Japanese media. It's not like the Japanese themselves all like Koreans to begin with(or vice versa), even now relations between the two can get tense at times.
>> No. 1219 [Edit]
>>1217
>It feels half-assed and hypocritical.
I don't really see how. I like the things that I like. Maybe you've been listening too much the the right-wingers who vehemently hate anime, I dunno. I like anime when is aesthetically appeals to me, and when it appeals to my interests. But, I also very much admire old European tradition and culture, and their people and the empires they built. Keep in mind, just because I'm distrustful of philosophy created after the introduction of communism and marxism into political theory doesn't mean I don't read it. There's nothing hypocritical about looking into every side of the equation, and that's why I don't have a problem with anime. All things considered, 2D media has more national pride than any modern western media and that alone makes it "okay" in the autistic sense you seem to expect, although of course those aren't the real reasons I watch it. If it's not trying to shape your worldview against yourself and your own interests, it's not a problem to just enjoy it. It also keeps your mind fresh and open when you engage in other types of media, and prevents your thought from getting stale and creating "fixed ideas". After all, in the end all philosophical and ideological forms exist to serve real world practicalities. There would be no point in clinging mindlessly to any one of them if they no longer served their purpose. For me, the primary purpose of my right wing ideologies is the continued existence of a northern european race in any form that fits the commonly understood definition, and secondly that they rule over themselves and are not ruled over under an all-administrating world government that does not represent any one peoples or groups. Everything else beyond that is tertiary and can be discarded if it no longer serves the primary function. There are a thousand small problems like "where do you draw the line of being white" that will be addressed when it comes to it. People talk about race like it's not black and white, which is true, but in reality it's still black and white with grey borders. You might meet someone whom you can't decide which race they are closer to, but if you meet someone who is 99% from the british isles you're obviously not going to have a problem. For most people, it's closer to that latter case. There are actual, definable "racial border" zones like the southern balkans, the asian steppes, the sahara, etc. Trying to confuse black and white by pointing out the fringe cases of grey is a dishonest argument. You KNOW what I mean I and anyone else say "white" or "aryan" even if you pretend you don't just to be a smartass.
>> No. 1220 [Edit]
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>>1219
>2D media has more national pride than any modern western media
For all you know, there could be African or Indian media that's super nationalistic. Does it make sense for a white nationalist or whatever you like to call yourself to spend most of their free time watching Indian and African movies and listening to their music? Would most people who share your self-described ideology agree with you on that?

>all philosophical and ideological forms exist to serve real world practicalities
Disagree. Most of it is fodder for entertainment, especially philosophy.

>that will be addressed when it comes to it
Most likely by the most aggressive, extremist nut jobs once the more "moderate" people like you stop being useful, assuming success in the first place.

>You KNOW what I mean I and anyone else say "white"
Most people consider Ashkenazi Jews to be "white". Fringe right wingers on the internet are actually in the minority when it comes to their opinion on that. So no, I don't know what you mean unless you clarify that. "Aryan" as used by modern political groups is a completely nonsense misnomer that came from incorrect translation and confirmation bias. Besides that, how much "ownership" can Russians or even Poles claim of German and British culture and accomplishments? How much in common culturally do Francs, Swedes and Greeks have with each other? Are Greeks "bathwater" to you? That's not a minor point, it's people's lives. Even if they're not "most people", how do you solve a "problem"?

Post edited on 13th Mar 2021, 11:26am
>> No. 1221 [Edit]
Korea is a very strange case that I don't think can be compared to most eastern states. They are still racially and linguistically Korean but have been very westernized, this is why I think that they really can't be compared to Japan even if they share the same DNA. There is a rather well-known sci-fi H-Manga about this where giant flies are a metaphor for Koreans and getting brow-beaten into tolerating them with the DNA argument. There is a reason Indian politics are very much based around allegiance, caste, religion and even language rather than ethnicity for a lot of it and the fact some ethnicities and a certain religion have gotten their own countries. These things are more important than DNA and race and it could easily explain how one could like Japan and not Korea.

Anyway, I disagree that the media you consume for entertainment has anything to do with your poltiical views. I consume very little western media, but I don't think watching old Sci-Fi and western wrestling (but I don't know if you really can call AEW western, considering Tony Khan is a Paki and a lot of influence is taken from Japan) takes away from the fact I dislike western influence in my country politically. Entertainment and political views are usually compartmentalized from each-other, I understand westerners have blurred the line between the two but I think this is a silly conversation, and it's not like liking anime while being a nationalist will invalidate all of your views.
>> No. 1222 [Edit]
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Here's an example.
Zimbabwe is playing a test series against Afghanistan today.
For the former who were nationalist against European colonization in their country, do you think they feel playing an English sport takes anything away from that?
>> No. 1223 [Edit]
>>1217
>There are right-wingers with a vehement hatred for otaku media and that makes more comfortable sense.

In a way it actually makes more sense for them to like it as Japanese media is actually more conservative, traditional and closer to right wing views than western media.
>> No. 1224 [Edit]
>>1220
You know what, I'm not going to use /tat/ if posters aren't going to argue honestly. When I say white, I mean anglo-saxon, celtic, and nordic. Are you happy? Are you going to start asking if I include the black irish and the finnish? Are you going to start asking if I'm going to shove your ugly mutt face in? Congratulations, I'm fucking mad. Thank you for wasting my time.
>> No. 1225 [Edit]
>>1224
>When I say white, I mean anglo-saxon, celtic, and nordic. Are you happy?
Well then, was that so hard? You can't claim that's what most people think white people means though, because it's not.

You're mad because I've exposed how hypocritical, full of shit and deluded you are. You don't even belong here. You're just another /pol/tard asshole. Dime a dozen, pathetic and deserving of misery.

Post edited on 13th Mar 2021, 5:28pm
>> No. 1226 [Edit]
>>1225
>You can't claim that's what most people think white people means though, because it's not.

As a third party, yes it actually is. Slavs are genetically different to begin with and most people don't call them white, hell the Coalition of communities of colour even added Slavs as coloured people.
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>> No. 1228 [Edit]
>>1226
The coalition of whatever the fuck doesn't matter. Any random person on the street will tell you Russians, Poles and Ukrainians are white. Plus Italians too.

Post edited on 13th Mar 2021, 8:59pm
>> No. 1229 [Edit]
>>1228
No they won't. Yes maybe a good portion would but a good portion and most likely the majority also would not. It certainly isn't so clear cut as to be the common assumption.
>> No. 1230 [Edit]
>>1229
You're also delusional. Regular people go off of skin color and don't know or care about any of that.

Post edited on 13th Mar 2021, 6:03pm
>> No. 1231 [Edit]
>>1230
Says who? Not the Coalition of Communities of Colour. And where does that leave fair skinned Japanese? Are they White according to you and the person on the street?
>> No. 1232 [Edit]
>>1231
They have squinty eyes, so no.
>> No. 1233 [Edit]
>>1232
Ahh, so you agree then. Seeing as Slavs have narrower eyes on average as well.
>> No. 1234 [Edit]
Very off-topic but nonwhites calling themselves people of colour always sounded racist as fuck. Wasnt "Coloured" a huge slur outside of Africa?
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>>1233
Either you know what I meant and you're being a smartass, or your mental disability is showing again. Either way I'm tired of it. Funny that somebody as pedantic as you would accept a label like white when even Irish people weren't included at one point. If a slav like me isn't white, then white people can all go to hell, and they probably will which puts a smile on my face.

Post edited on 13th Mar 2021, 7:07pm
>> No. 1236 [Edit]
>>1235
>Either you know what I meant and you're being a smartass, or your mental disability is showing again.

Well that is just it isn't it? I assume the other fellow here would think the exact same thing from you.

>Funny that somebody as pedantic as you would accept a label like white when even Irish people weren't included at one point.

That's actually true, I don't like the term but it is often necessary to simply things. Though it can be a problem because there are people like you that would include Slavs as being white and others that include Southern Italians, Southern French and Spaniards as being white and others that might not include one group or both. But then everybody agrees that the British, Germans and Northern French are white which is what usually the term refers too.

Celts are a funny odd thing, they once controlled basically the entirety of Europe yet they end up being pushed back by basically everybody as well, to the point of being confined to a tiny Island off of a small island. I think Germanic is a better term but that has Nazi connotations and also may be slightly misleading as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes bred with the Celts in Britain and the Franks bred with them in France and the Eastern Germanic Tribes bred with Slavic people. But all in all, it is agreed by everybody that when talking about Whites anything with a substantial Germanic admixture is to be included.

>If a slav like me isn't white, then white people can all go to hell, and they probably will which puts a smile on my face.

Ahh, this explains your bias and thus your view on this. Also you aren't even religious, idiot.
>> No. 1237 [Edit]
>>1236
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+to+hell
>> No. 1238 [Edit]
>>1237
Yes but the context you used it in was different than that.

For example, I might be an atheist and tell somebody to got to hell but that really is me being angry with them and telling them to go away, leave me alone or that I don't care about them or what they think but in more hostile and forceful terms. So if you had said, 'If a slav like me isn't white, then white people can all go to hell' and left it at that then yes it could have meant that you were saying White people can all rot, they can all die for you all you care etc. Essentially you are saying you don't care about them or what they think and they can just go away.

However, you then added 'and they probably will which puts a smile on my face'. Which then brings it back to religious grounds or at least to the implication of some kind of deterioration in their situation(which given the context religious grounds would be more likely as there was nothing mentioned that would imply the deterioration of their situation in your post). You are now saying that they are actually going to go to a hell of some kind and not just telling them to bug off.
>> No. 1239 [Edit]
You know what, that's actually going just a little bit too far. I do actually understand your confusion at the contradiction of my ideologies and I understand why you think it's strange for me to be posting here if all you've seen is my opinions on governance and what is mostly just my assessment of things I like the least relative to things I dislike slightly less. I'm sorry to Tohno for being an asshole and potentially shitting up the board.

This post originally was a cheap ad hominem insult.

Post edited on 26th Mar 2021, 9:46am
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