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31977 No. 31977 [Edit]
I'm curious what you think of the whole subbing situation nowadays? I know fansubbing is pretty much dead but some botched translation has brought back the scene (GJM is the most prominent one coming to mind at the moment) to an extent. This was the first time in a while I saw drama about localized subs (I'm not gonna bother going into it, it was dumb) and the subber justified it by calling people complaining weebs and a whole shitshow about it. (shitflinging about nationality and politics, standard dumb flame war shit). I talked to someone who speaks Japanese and apparent Horriblesubs is fine for what they are, and if that's to be believed, I appreciate them for bypassing all the dumb "artistic" shit and TL notes, for forgoing all the drama involving subtitles and generally being good enough. I just realized though, most anime viewers are basically taking the meaning of the media with someone else's word. I wonder how often translators are deceptive and "liberally" interpret things, which eventually becomes direct influence over what the characters are saying or straight up guesses for whatever reason. I imagine people with no connection to Japan besides being wapanese wouldn't be able to speak it enough to even tell.
I'm quite curious to learn Japanese now and see how much changes.
What do you think?
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>> No. 31992 [Edit]
>>31991
>professional subtitles
Anon... you're aware that a sizeable portion of them is (or at least was) made by ex-fansubbers and often following similar principles, right?
>> No. 31993 [Edit]
>>31992
I'm sure that's something we all know. By "professional" (what I would rather call sellouts) I'm sure that anon means people who are paid to sub with deadlines and scripts to work with along with 'some' accountability for their actions.
>> No. 31994 [Edit]
>>31993
>sellouts
What's wrong with being paid for your work?
>> No. 31995 [Edit]
>>31994
Nothing in itself, but it depends on who's writing the checks. In this case it's the company that killed fan subs in the first place.
>> No. 31996 [Edit]
>>31995
I don't think they're guilty of "killing fan subs", even if their actions led to it. It's more that "fan subs" could not compete.
>> No. 31997 [Edit]
I see an interesting comparison towards fansubbing and open-source software, it’s kinda hard to justify not being paid for your software if you can be, unless you just want to do it as a hobby or rely on benefactors like GNU.
>> No. 31998 [Edit]
>>31986
From English to a certain slavic language.
>> No. 31999 [Edit]
>>31997
And even open-source software is increasingly trying to find a way to monetize their work. Fansubbing, being tolerated in no small part thanks to the non-profit, within-fandom angle, can't really do that.
>> No. 32000 [Edit]
>>31999
I don't see an issue with open-source software seeking funds so long as the software still remains open source.
>> No. 32001 [Edit]
>>32000
Sure. Except that model is also running out. Look at a lot of server software which now follow a "open core + proprietary enterprise add-ons" path.
>> No. 32002 [Edit]
You guys act like fansubbers all worked for free. You think they never took donations?
>> No. 32003 [Edit]
>>32002
Taking donations and having it be your job is very different, hence the software comparison
>> No. 32005 [Edit]
>>32003
I don't think it's nearly as different as you think. From Street performers to e-celebrities plenty of people make a living off donations and would likely call it their job. Where do you draw the line exactly? Having a wage? Would you then say people who make a living off commission don't have a real job just as they don't have a fixed income? What about people who need tips(which are practically donations) to make ends meet? If it's about having a boss then what of people who are self employed? How about people who get salaries but work for volunteer agencies funded by donations? Where do they all fit in? Do people who work for the red cross not have jobs? Or is it about the of money they make? What if someone makes more from donations than they would at a part time job, but less than a full time job? What then?
>> No. 32006 [Edit]
>>32005
>e-celebrities
Recent trend, and only the top 1% has enough money to survive off it.
>Where do you draw the line exactly?
I'd argue "being able to survive based off those donations exclusively". That's the line at which people begin being comfortable actually treating their hobby work as a full-time thing.
>What if someone makes more from donations than they would at a part time job, but less than a full time job? What then?
Depends on how much they need to survive. Some people then get a second part-time job, which eats less time away from their hobby project than a full-time job would, but more than being able to work on it exclusively.
Also, most profitable free software relies on corporate sponsorships, support licenses, paid "enterprise" features, and occasionally high-value donations more than individual users pitching in $1 each - as I said, only the top 1% ever get to that level, but in the software world there's a lot going on in the backend that most users might not even be aware of.
>> No. 32007 [Edit]
>>31977
>I talked to someone who speaks Japanese and apparent Horriblesubs is fine for what they are
That's how I feel as well. Whenever you see an out of context pun in English its because there was a pun that made sense in Japanese and the translators don't care enough to make one fit. A little bit will always be lost in translation but horrible subs are doing a consistently serviceable job tot he point anyone who cares enough to complain should just learn Japanese. I don't say this to be condescending I just think something will always be lost in translation and whether that is 9% or 10% isn't worth obsessing over if you don't care to enough to prevent losing anything in translation by never requiring a translation in the first place.
>> No. 32008 [Edit]
> fine for what they are
They don't translate OP/ED. That alone makes them shit.
>> No. 32009 [Edit]
>>32008
I'd assume that translating song lyrics is a bit trickier than dialogue though (although it's a pity there are some obscure anime for which I haven't found a good OP/ED translation)
>> No. 32010 [Edit]
>>32009
I'd assume lyrics for songs are by far easier to acquire than full episode scripts.
>> No. 32011 [Edit]
>>32008
>>32009
>>32010
The issue is licensing! Japanese music companies charge a fortune for anything they can and limit contracts as much as possible. In fact, the license for using a song's lyrics is separate from the license for using the song itself - and TV anime usually only comes with the latter. Western licensors, as such, don't bother acquiring lyrics rights because they don't really see a business reason to.
>> No. 32015 [Edit]
>>32011
>>32009
The reasons why CR doesn't translate opening and ending themes does not change the fact they don't translate opening and ending themes. Just as the reasons why they don't host many kids anime, or why they change character names around in anime such as Jojo does not matter. Crap is still crap regardless of why it's crap.
>> No. 32016 [Edit]
>>32015
You are literally the only anonymous I’ve ever met that cares about kids anime getting subbed/hosted. It should be simple enough to watch as listening practice if you know grammar okayish!
>> No. 34356 [Edit]
So, lately I have been encountering some problems with downloading anime eps with subs in my native language. First, for whatever reason there seems to a lot of fansubs that don't even do the OP and ED, and by not doing I am not saying they don't translate, but they literally take it out. I can't believe someone can do such a thing, why? Is there such a problem in the others language-spheres?
And the other problem is they don't number the order of the specials and such. So you end up with a bunch of files ordered by name only, with some eps going before the eps that came before it.
Are those problems exclusive to my country or do you guys have it too?
>> No. 34357 [Edit]
>>34356
A lot of official subs don't do the OP and ED either.
>> No. 34359 [Edit]
>>34356
>I can't believe someone can do such a thing, why?
A lot of people just skip these. It's incomprehensible to me.
>> No. 34360 [Edit]
>>34357
Oh nevermind I misread what you meant by "don't do." Excising the OP/ED entirely seems pretty egregious. Maybe they're trying to cut down on filesize.
>> No. 38043 [Edit]
Learn jap; ignore subs.
>> No. 38045 [Edit]
>>34356
When you license an anime, you don't automatically (most of the time) get the right to the song's lyrics, merely to reproduce the performance as part of the series. The OP/ED lyrics rights are separate, and cost additional money - therefore, most official subtitling companies don't bother to do so for a web release, as it doesn't really impact their viewership statistics. As for fansubs, well, most fansubs nowadays are either 1:1 rips of official subtitles or slightly modified versions of them - as such, they reproduce this omission as well.
>> No. 38086 [Edit]
>>38045
>The OP/ED lyrics rights are separate, and cost additional money
I find that so strange. We can hear the lyrics, and if you understand Japanese you know what they say, so what difference does it really make if they are displayed in text? It's such a dumb concept to treat it as a separate licence.
>> No. 38087 [Edit]
>>38086
Music licensing is weird and it seems song lyrics are a gray area. There have been lawsuits in the US as well about displaying song lyrics without the appropriate license to do so [1].
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18683696/wixen-pandora-copyright-lawsuit-lyrics-unauthorized-display-tom-petty-doors
>> No. 38089 [Edit]
>>38087
That is surreal. I doubt the artist will lose out on anything if a person reads the lyrics to the song. Who buys a book of lyrics instead of an album/single? Nobody.
>> No. 38095 [Edit]
>>38089
They lose nothing but it was never about that. Artists are petty bitches and publishers are jews. It's a symbiosis.
>> No. 38098 [Edit]
>>38095
Yeah, fuck you too.
>> No. 38099 [Edit]
>>38098
If you're an Artists (or publisher?) who takes offense to the other anon's comments, you could voice your stance on the matter, no need for insults and cursing.
>> No. 38101 [Edit]
>>38099
My response is as meaningless as their post. Insults are the only possible means of communicating with some people.
>If you're an Artists (or publisher?)
Neither.
>> No. 38102 [Edit]
>>38089
The argument you might make legally to something like this is that an unauthorized translation could harm the reception of the song if it was done improperly. Translation isn't always 100% straightforward so it makes some sense.

The reality is probably more like the publisher wants to nickle and dime everything they can get out of the music so you have to reach an agreement on their terms. Of course, I'm just pulling these ideas out of my ass, maybe there's an entirely different reason for it all together. All I know is that most music companies are fucking garbage.
>> No. 38103 [Edit]
>>38101
>Neither.
Petty bitch then maybe? Jew? Symbiont?
You had to take umbrage with something

Post edited on 25th Apr 2021, 4:48pm
>> No. 38104 [Edit]
>>38103
Does it matter? Why should I "voice my stance" in response to every insult? I wont change anyone's mind. A simple fuck you gets my stance across succinctly.
>> No. 38105 [Edit]
>>38104
Jew huh? My condolences
>> No. 38154 [Edit]
>>38103
He's clearly a yid.
>> No. 38155 [Edit]
>>38154
Based on you feeling the need to post this a week later, you're clearly a cunt.
>> No. 38161 [Edit]
Hey, anon could be a schlomo. Or a hebe.
>> No. 38162 [Edit]
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38162
>>38161
Do you use tohno-chan so you can be further ostracized, because I don't.
>> No. 38164 [Edit]
>>38162
Then don't insult people that aren't personally attacking you. Jews and jewish stuff have deservedly gained a bad reputation with a lot of people, but no one could ostracize you unless you went around announcing you are one.
Putting yourself into a victim position and then whining about it, truly a jewish specialty.
>> No. 38165 [Edit]
>>38164
That's bullshit. You wouldn't like it if something intrinsic to you was constantly used as a synonym for bad, evil, greedy, worthless, etc. And in the places you go to relax. If it's intrinsic to you, it is a personal attack. Why should I passively accept it? It wears a person down. I already dropped this until somebody brought it back up.
>Jews and jewish stuff have deservedly gained a bad reputation
For political reasons. And since when was tohno-chan the place to air out political frustrations? I'd be glad if Jew and every other word for it was word-filtered. I don't want to hear about Jews here.
>truly a jewish specialty
You can't even criticize me as an individual. Why should I respect you?

Post edited on 4th May 2021, 5:47pm
>> No. 38166 [Edit]
>>38165
>I'd be glad if Jew and every other word for it was word-filtered
Shut it down! It's pretty hilarious, I'm done. Keep outing yourself then, kike.
Sorry for the off-topic streak here, tohno-chan. I'll stop now.
>> No. 38167 [Edit]
>>38166
You deserve to be miserable. Not because of the group you belong to, but because of who you are as an individual. Fuck off back to 8chan, stupid cunt.
>Whites and white stuff have deservedly gained a bad reputation with a lot of people, but no one could ostracize you unless you went around announcing you are one.

Post edited on 4th May 2021, 7:20pm
>> No. 38168 [Edit]
I'm worried about how subbers (and dubbers) can just decide to insert their political opinions into the work, with no respect for the source material. Yeah.
>> No. 38177 [Edit]
>>38162
Sorry mate, I meant no harm, just wanted to poke a bit of fun at the argument.
>> No. 38200 [Edit]
>>38162
Detecting people of the tribe is my super power. This ability was gifted to me for a reason and it was meant to be shared. Why, not using it to expose the works of the tribesmen would be simply immoral.

>>38168
And what do the subbers and dubbers who do that have in common? Perhaps... strikingly well developed nasal structures?
>> No. 38201 [Edit]
>>38200
Gen Fukunaga, the founder and president of Funimation, isn't jewish. So you're not even right about that.
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