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1183 No. 1183 [Edit]
Why use linux?
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>> No. 1184 [Edit]
Here are reasons why I use linux. I probably forgot a hundred things.

-Linux has a package manager

---This is really big, installing and searching for things is insanely easy and you don't get fucking toolbars and adware shoved into your face when you want to install something.

---It's much faster than going on google, searching for a program, downloading the executable, running and installing it. You just type in a list of things you want to be installed and the system installs and downloads all those things for you and does it all on it's own.

---You can update every single program on your computer by just running one command. It all happens automatically.

-Multiple desktops! Though I think Windows 10 now has those too, linux has had them for almost 20 years.

-Linux based operating systems are (usually) free, you can just download it without ever paying for it or cracking it. There's also no stupid version stuff, like in Windows for example "Home premium" which is cheaper than "Ultimate" but has less features.

-There are no viruses at the moment. You don't need an antivirus program or any of that shit, don't have to be afraid of getting your computer infected.

-You can choose between multiple desktop environments and window managers and login managers. This gives you a lot of extra features, like tiling window managers and you can customize the looks more easily.

-It's flexible. If you don't like that thing right there, you can just replace it or change it. You can costumize practically everything you want to your liking, not just the looks but also under the hood.

-Superior file system support, for example you never have to defrag your drive. Linux supports more than 30+ file systems, Windows supports 4 file systems.

-You don't always have to install a driver every time you plug something in like a usb drive, on linux shit just works. Even very obscure hardware drivers are all integrated into the kernel, you plug the thing in and it works. (graphics drivers you have to install seperately exactly like in Windows(except if you use intel graphics))

-The shell is really really powerful, much more than on Windows. Some of you won't care about this but the things you can do in bash are fucking awesome. If you don't want to use the shell you can of course always move away from it and get GUI based programs instead.

---It's just insane how powerful it is, on windows you wanna mount an ISO? You might have to install a program for that first.. You wanna update your system in Windows? Oh, you have to reboot your computer and that takes a while, and if you want to update your installed programs you will have to do that manually.. You want to assign Ramdisk in windows? Or just change your partitioning? Oh, you might have to download a program for that first.. On linux you can just do it all in house, all those features are already there.

---It also brings stuff like SSH, you can control your computer using your phone and vice versa. It's just handy in general.

---I also really like terminal based applications because you can run them on almost all kinds of platforms and they tend to be much more faster thanks to shortcuts.

-Linux is fast and leightweight, good for older hardware or simple stuff like netbooks or phones. It boots really fast and has low resource usage. (When I boot my netbook it uses about 100 megabytes of RAM.)

-It's great for servers in many ways. Running it headless for example is very easy because of the great shell.

-It can be whatever the fuck you want, it just depends on how you customize it. Take stuff like arch for example.

-If you use a rolling release distro you (in theory) won't have to ever reinstall your system as it updates automatically. With Windows or OS X you have to upgrade or reinstall your system when a new version comes out. Like a jump from Windows 8 to Windows 10.

-You get security updates more frequently, every day is patch day so to speak.

-It's great for software developers. If you want to program something on linux it just works. Like Windows is great for games linux is very good for developing software.

-It's not hard to maintain your system, it's stable and you can leave it running for days without it crashing. The performance does not degrade over time.

-No rules, you can use it in whatever way you want. It does whatever you tell it to do, and it does it in that exact way. You don't have to fight with your system if you want to get off the path the developers wanted you to take.

-When you want to shut down your computer you don't have to wait 10 minutes for it to install updates. You don't always have to reboot your computer in order to finish an installation (of drivers for example).

-When you broke your system you can go out and fix it. With Windows I felt like every time it broke I had no choice but to reinstall it all.

-Awesome documentation and help on the internet.

-When troubleshooting it's easier to run terminal commands provided by people who help you. It's easier than explaining on how to navigate the GUI.

-In my opinion a lot of the software you get on linux is better than the stuff on Windows. For example Transmission or Pidgin or ffmpeg. The Windows versions of those are not nearly as good as the linux versions in my opinion.

-You can run it on all kinds of platforms. Video game consoles, phones, smartphones, tablets, TVs, even a few calculators.




Things I don't like about linux:

-You can't play games, really. Wine works for me and there's steam coming and stuff, but let's be honest. You can't play games on linux nowhere near as well as on Windows.

-Pulseaudio sucks, I always uninstall it.

-Depending on your hardware, graphics drivers may or may not suck dick.

-It's not as user friendly as Windows or Mac OS X. (though this highly depends on what distro you use) Linux mostly targets tech savvy users.


inb4 someone comes and tries to refute every single point I brought up. I can't give you source for a lot of the things I mentioned, it's all based on my experiences.

Post edited on 9th Nov 2014, 10:30am
>> No. 1185 [Edit]
Elitism and being a super 1337 haxor.
>> No. 1186 [Edit]
More customization, more broken things to fix, more working things to break so you can fix them later, less resource usage.
>> No. 1191 [Edit]
>>1184
>Linux mostly targets tech savvy users.
Why do some Linux users still think this? For many of the reasons you listed yourself, Linux is not at all hard to use nowadays- in some ways notably more convenient than Windows, even for those that understand little to nothing about computers. One might even argue that it's easier for novice users to get "hurt" in Windows (such as not paying attention to the toolbars tacked on to programs you mentioned or getting loaded down with viruses), as I don't think a novice user will do much rooting around under the hood to break things in Linux.
>> No. 1192 [Edit]
>>1191
I see your point. I don't think linux is hard to use at all, it's much easier to use than Windows, but I'm good with computers anyways so I don't think I'm the best judge.
You surely can set it up so it's very simple and easy, I did that with my mom's computer too and she never has any problems with it even though she's not tech savvy (but she's not retarded either). I had to configure it for her and ask her what she wants and what looks she is comfortable with, though.

But I think realistically speaking when your average idiot would get a new computer and it had linux mint or ubuntu preinstalled they would be pretty freaking confused why it doesn't look like their friend's computer, where internet explorer went or why windows executables won't run, etc.

Of course this is not the system's fault at all, but I think you're underestimating how stupid the average user really is. I think this problem is a bit deeper than just what the system alone can do. That's how I look at it.

Edit: something like this for example does not suprise me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI (3DPD warning)

Post edited on 9th Nov 2014, 5:15pm
>> No. 1194 [Edit]
>>1192
>I think you're underestimating how stupid the average user really is
You may very well be right. I always tend to assume that most young adults are very computer literate... but thinking back on it, that wasn't always the case. I can see where an average person that isn't computer literate would be pretty dumbfounded if they were used to seeing Windows elsewhere and booted up a Linux distro.
>> No. 1217 [Edit]
freedom for the awaiting autist inside of you. open-source, package-manager, freedom, secure(?)
completely customizable, so you can chose what program to install, so it can get faster as you know everything that is installed and can remove whatever that is not needed
>> No. 1233 [Edit]
I once put ubuntu on my dad's computer because he kept getting viruses, and he used it for a while, but he had me switch him back to windows because he liked it better. To each his own.
>> No. 2190 [Edit]
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I found something called Gobolinux which looks kind of interesting because the file system is more intuitive. This system allows you to have multiple versions of the same software.
https://github.com/gobolinux/Documentation/wiki
>GoboLinux is an alternative Linux distribution which redefines the entire filesystem hierarchy. In GoboLinux you don't need a package database because the filesystem is the database: each program resides in its own directory.
>In other words, instead of a package manager placing executable files in /usr/bin, libraries in /usr/lib, and other resources in /usr/share, a program's files are all stored in one tree, such as /Programs/Firefox or /Programs/LibreOffice. This way the user, and package utilities, can remove software by deleting a single directory rather than keeping track of where individual files have been installed.
>Through a mapping of traditional paths into their GoboLinux counterparts, we transparently retain compatibility with the Unix legacy. There is no rocket science to this: /bin is a link to /System/Links/Executables. And as a matter of fact, so is /usr/bin. And /usr/sbin... all "binaries" directories map to the same place. Amusingly, this makes us even more compatible than some more standard-looking distributions. In GoboLinux, all standard paths work for all files, while other distros may struggle with incompatibilites such as scripts breaking when they refer to /usr/bin/foo when the file is actually in /usr/local/bin/foo

On a review from 2009, I found this comment which is really illuminating and illustrates a kind of mindset that seriously pisses me off.
>Okay, when I first saw the directory tree, I freaked out. That's, well, scary. Come on, can we be a little more civilzed? We don't need to type "system", do we? "sys" will do.
>Furthermore, I don't know how Gobo manages, but the idea of "one directory per application" seems to be anti-productive, since in Free and Open Source world, an "application" is built upon many many other packages, which may be languages (Perl, Python, Guile, etc.), libraries, other executable (piping, anyone?), etc. If you try to have "one directory tree per application", you basically have two choices: either do symlinks, which destroy the meanings of "one directory tree per application" anyway, or try to put all dependencies of an application into its tree, which is utterly wasteful.
>I mean, okay, if you are using Linux From Scratch, this seems to be a good idea since you can manage your stuffs easier. But, come on, apt and yum has resolve this problems ages ago! Basically, in modern GNU/Linux systems, you don't even care about where your programs are, until you are a sofisticated enough user, in which case the current Unix tree makes even more sense, since the files are classified by their functions (binary, executable file under */bin configuration file under */etc, library under */lib, etc.) and you can rapidly tweak stuffs (since we normally try to tweak a type of files together). Again, this is in favor of the eco system of FOSS.
>This kind of set up makes sense for Mac OS and Windows OS, since those systems are proprietary, and in that world, it is best to keep your code to yourself, which explains why it is so fucked up (to an extend that I rather not playing latest games than booting into Windows and wait for each programs to update). The amount of duplication of effort is just unreasonable from the user's point of view. Again, this is not just about disk space, it is about updating, keeping thing fresh. And, remember, after all, you DO WANT the applications to share stuffs!
>To me, the issue of managing applications for GNU/Linux is rather a done deal. Yes, there are some possible improvements (for example, some mechanism to allow mutiple version of an application to co-exist on a system, or "functional" management), but the basic system works very reliably.

Post edited on 16th Jan 2021, 9:49am
>> No. 2191 [Edit]
>>2190
Another comment from that review.
>The filesystem should be intuitive, someone who has never used the system before should be able look at it and be able to instantly have a basic understanding of what is where.
>I find it strange that people are trying so hard to make linux into a desktop OS, and then resist as hard as they can any thought of changing the innate organizational shortcomings which confuse anyone who doesn't wish to spent the time to memorize its archaic "logic".
>Instead they spent many hours making layer after layer to try and hide these things from the user. If you have to hide stuff in a "user friendly" OS, it is not user friendly.
>> No. 2192 [Edit]
>>2190
> because the filesystem is the database: each program resides in its own directory.
That sounds really similar to how osx's container system works. Each application is assigned its own container in ~/Library/Containers so it's hermetically isolated (osx enforces that an app doesn't write outside its container). In fact even without containers osx has a general rule: preference plists go in ~/Library/Preferences, application-specific crap goes in ~/Library/Application Support/bundle_id, and the application itself is basically a self-contained bundle in /Applications. Almost every app uses this structure, and the only ones that deviate from it are (surprise surprise) apps ported from linux (*).

>apt and yum has resolve this problems ages ago
>To me, the issue of managing applications for GNU/Linux is rather a done deal.
Ha! Definitely a "done deal" that they invented (at least) three different container formats to work around how much of an issue this is (snap, flatpak, appimage). I'd argue that the whole docker craze generally came about from the difficulty of deploying applications because of dependency hell. The holy distro package manager works fine if you stick to the paved road (and are ok with obsolete, out-of-date packages), but the moment you want to install something that's not on there, good luck running around to get the right versions of the libraries you need. And pushing the burden back on the developer to create a deb package or yum archive or whatever is a terrible idea, because the packaging steps are tricky enough that nobody's going to bother.

>Can remove software by deleting a single directory rather than keeping track of where individual files have been installed.
That's the key issue. You need developer buy-in, which is basically non-existent in the linux world. There's the XDG spec but even that's rarely obeyed by applications. It's more of a social issue than a technical one, since getting the linux guys to agree on a standard.


(*) I'm using linux here in the colloquial sense, what pedantics would refer to as the userspace part. So things like ported gtk apps, random command line utilites, etc.
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Somewhere else, I wrote about the shortcomings of an over reliance on repositories to easily install things, and somebody else said guix somehow solves this problem. Those posts have since been deleted. Does anybody here know what makes guix special in this regard? My original post:

The cold, hard truth is that Linux isn't popular in Japan for casual use. Even less so than in english speaking countries. And when you're utterly reliant on repositories, you're mostly out of luck when it comes to getting software that has anything to do with loli or otherwise pornographic content, since very few will want to host that in theirs. The ecosystem restricts people culturally, where everything has to go through an approval process to be easily accessible.
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>>2248
That reminds me of that time someone from /g/ tried to spread the "gospel" of stallman on 2ch.

I'm not too familiar with guix, but I don't see how a purely functional package manager is supposed to help anything. In theory it's nice because your setup is completely reproducible by just the config file, but you still run into the same issue that if what you're looking for doesn't have a predefined package you'll have to create one (it seems that this would be even trickier than regular package managers because of the additional restrictions that would come from being reproducible, I'm not familiar with this so for all I know it could in fact actually be a breeze to create new packages). But either way when you have to create your own packages I don't think you can call that "straightforward."
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>>2249
I thought something like that would be case. Conceptually, maybe it does solve the problem of cultural censorship if a single, inconspicuous file is all you need for a package to be strung together somehow. Really not sure about that. If in practice, developers or users would have to go through too much of a hurdle, the point is moot.

Post edited on 6th Apr 2021, 3:13pm
>> No. 2251 [Edit]
>>2248
Compiling works easily enough, as long as the creator bothered to create some kind of automatic dependency retrieval or, better, there being only a small amount of non-standard dependencies.
There's plenty of PPA repositories, they can't be that hard to establish for your own program if you want to. Only thing I'm missing is the ability to have a proxy set only for certain repositories, that'd enable seamless TOR/I2P repositories, thus solving the lolicon censorship problem.
>> No. 2252 [Edit]
>>2251
It's easy when it's "./configure && make && make install" but usually the more obscure the software is and the more badly you need it, the more arcane its build system is: requiring specific versions of some outdated library or patches to even work on my system.
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>>2251
>There's plenty of PPA repositories
Aren't those version restricted? Someone can't make a PPA and leave it alone forever, they have to update it for every new version of the OS that comes out, or people running the newer version wont be able to use it. Unless I'm wrong about that. And how easy is it for someone to get something from a repository and then host it in their own? Easy exchange from one person to another like that is important.

On a side note, I don't think there's any such thing as a "public repository" anybody can add stuff to like there is with file uploading.
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What? What the fuck? I tried...
>> No. 2255 [Edit]
>>2254
Are you trying to install icecat in a particular directory, because that's what it seems that command is for. If you're just trying to install icecat, the easier way to go about doing it would just be using apt-get, like so: sudo apt-get install icecat
>> No. 2256 [Edit]
>>2255
This is on the guix system, which uses the guix package manager. I wasn't aware the guix system also has the apt-get package manager included. I wanted to try guix for a bit to see how easy it is to use.

Also, sudo didn't work. I suspect because the user me isn't part of the sudo group or something, and I didn't feel like looking up how to add it.
>> No. 2257 [Edit]
>>2256
Ah! Sorry if I was unhelpful... I thought you might be using a typical Linux distro.
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>>2257
No need to apologize. I didn't elaborate in that post.

It's funny how they word things in this part
>if you want to download and install a ready-to-use package on a GNU/Linux system, you should instead be using a package manager like yum(1) or apt-get(1)
Guix is supposed to solve a problem, but seems to do so in a way that creates another problem. Unless it's actually really simple and I just need to read a bit of the manual for it to make sense.
>> No. 2269 [Edit]
>>2192
https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/Similar-projects
Appimages seem to be the best solution of the three in terms of replicating that experience by a large margin. I wouldn't know about its technical shortcomings though.

Post edited on 11th Apr 2021, 1:43pm
>> No. 2324 [Edit]
Because I just love when repositories are removed for whatever reason so my programs stop working due to the shared library madness. Also due to this since an individual package can't stay in a working version you get a lot of surprises! Inkscape uses so much more RAM now* for no discernible improvement, in fact it's buggier after an update! It's so great.
No but seriously I'm sick of this package manager nonsense, I just want an executable bundled with the libraries it uses.Appimages are a mess, maybe I'll use gobo up there, though it looks unmantained.

Edit *My fault apparently, inkscape is as always. The issues I was having is due to the text tool being awful apparently, and I had never used it as much.

Post edited on 27th Jun 2021, 5:40pm
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>>2324
>Appimages are a mess
How so? I'm genuinely curious about them and their workability.
>> No. 2326 [Edit]
>>2325
They are nice when they work.
I've downloaded a couple that still somehow manage to have missing dependencies and don't launch at all or have some other launch errors.
>> No. 2339 [Edit]
>Why use linux?
It's the only sane choice left given that windows has jumped the shark with telemetry and user-hostile design in windows 10 and 11, and osx has become closer and closer to a glorified version of ios in past releases. I mean if I could I'd just keep using windows 7 or osx snow leopard for eternity since these were already feature complete and perfect, but then you have to slowly start maintaing more of the userspace yourself to deal with things like new TLS versions that the OS libraries don't handle, etc.

But as others have stated, the state of the linux desktop today is better than it was 10 yrs ago but nowhere close to where even windows and osx were 10 years ago.
>> No. 2340 [Edit]
>>2339
>11
I just heard about this recently. I remember reading a while back that windows 10 was intended to be the last one, so this is surprising in a bad way. They're moving the start button to the center(classic shell is not in active development, so I can't rely on that either), and focusing even more on their app store and "connecting every device"(your phone). There's other ui changes, yet again. Plus even more microshit "services" I don't need or want. It's horrifying and I think this is my last straw. When 10 becomes deprecated, I don't know what I'll do.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/introducing-windows-11/
>We put Start at the center and made it easier to quickly find what you need. Start utilizes the power of the cloud and Microsoft 365 to show you your recent files no matter what platform or device you were viewing them on earlier, even if it was on an Android or iOS device.
>we’re excited to introduce Chat from Microsoft Teams integrated in the taskbar. Now you can instantly connect through text, chat, voice or video with all of your personal contacts, anywhere, no matter the platform or device they’re on
>Windows 11 brings you closer to the news and information you care about faster with Widgets – a new personalized feed powered by AI
>The new Microsoft Store is your single trusted location for apps and content.. we’re also making all content easier to search for and discover with curated stories and collections. We’re excited to soon be welcoming leading first and third-party apps like Microsoft Teams, Visual Studio, Disney+, Adobe Creative Cloud, Zoom and Canva to the Microsoft Store... When you download an app from the Store you have the peace of mind of knowing it’s been tested for security and family safety.
Why do I suspect those third-parties will pull support for non-app store installation?
>Upgrading to Windows 11 will be like taking a Windows 10 update.
>Windows 11 is also secure by design, with new built-in security technologies that will add protection from the chip to the cloud

Post edited on 29th Jun 2021, 2:40pm
>> No. 2341 [Edit]
>>2340
I think the Windows button can be moved into the corner. I'm not too bothered by the UI, but the general UI inconsistencies from layer to layer of previous Windows versions is quite jarring. They really need to hire a dedicate UI/UX development team to sort out the general theme of Windows. As for the requirement of a Microsoft account and internet, I'm definitely not a fan. That said, I would imagine it would only be a matter of time within the first few weeks of release that someone creates a successor program to Shut Up 10 to clamp down on telemetry and additional Microsoft "services".

Windows 11 will probably not be very good, but it at least looks like they're putting more effort into it that Windows 10, stylistically at least. If it does turn out that it's an absolute privacy nightmare with no recourse, I'll probably head over to Linux as well. My one fear in regards to that is it Microsoft tries to increase the usage of Linux within Windows, either corrupting projects by creating "Windows only" Linux-based programs or directly influencing the course of Linux by "investing in developers."
>> No. 2342 [Edit]
>>2341
>I'm not too bothered by the UI
I mean, pretty much every change they make is pointless and or harmful. Looking closer, they changed the network icon, moved the date on top of the time, and added curved windows. This is how ui guys justify their salary.
>UI inconsistencies
Not sure, but I think that's out of necessity.
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>>2342
>pretty much every change they make is pointless and or harmful
Pointless, sure, but harmful? I don't really see how. Most of UI is just the standard Windows 10 theme with rounded corners and updated icons. The only major changes I've seen are the start menu, and ability to snap windows from a built-in button on the application title bar. Frankly, one of those seems like quite a nice addition.

>Looking closer, they changed the network icon, moved the date on top of the time, and added curved windows.
To be fair, Windows having a "relatively" consistent UI theme between major versions is a recent development. There were many changes going from Windows 2000 to XP to Vista and then 7. Being put off over changes in icons seems rather trivial all things considered.
>> No. 2344 [Edit]
>>2343
>Being put off over changes in icons
I'd consider those pointless changes. Especially the more granular they are. Harmful changes would be metro in windows 8 and everything they've done to the start menu after windows 7. Reducing usability like with the start menu, and adding spyware like cortana and curated news feeds, are harmful changes. New, conflicting ui controls are also harmful. I once changed the size of my mouse cursor in a legacy menu, and couldn't change it back until I tried using the new menu("pc settings") for the same feature.

Post edited on 29th Jun 2021, 6:03pm
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>>2344
>everything they've done to the start menu after windows 7
People bemoan the Windows 10 start menu quite a lot, but I really don't have any problems with it other than the obnoxious internet search.

>conflicting ui controls are also harmful
This relates a lot back to what I meant by UI inconsistencies. In large part, it would seem that Microsoft hasn't done much more than reskin each successive version of Windows post 7, but in doing so, they've left entire swaths of the operating system stuck with old UI menus, as well as having duplicated settings menus such as having both "Settings" and "Control Panel", sometimes with completely divorced settings and other times merely acting as another place to access the same settings found in Control Panel.
>> No. 2347 [Edit]
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>>2345
Here's what my start menu looks like. I vastly prefer it to the default.
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Somebody is making a new a service manager for Alpine.
https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html
>> No. 2349 [Edit]
>>2348
How did systemd become so monolithic? Every time I look it seems they've integrated yet another random thing. Now granted I'm not really a linux user so I'm only going off of what I occasionally read, but the inspiration for systemd – OSX's launchd – is something I've used quite a bit and I have absolutely no qualms with.

Why couldn't they just copy launchd exactly and be done with it (or better yet, I think launchd is already open source, so just use that?).
>> No. 2350 [Edit]
>>2349
>launchd is already open source, so just use that?
MacOS uses a different kernel. Despite being similar, there's guaranteed to be too many low-level incongruities.
>> No. 2351 [Edit]
>>2350
But systemd/launchd are part of userspace, so the low-level kernel differences shouldn't be that much of an issue. And I think people _have_ managed to get launchd working on freebsd which means there shouldn't be any mach-specific dependencies (e.g. heavy reliance on mach ipc). Although I suppose the bsd/non-bsd split might be the reason why the the linux community didn't want to adopt it.
>> No. 2352 [Edit]
>>2351
I believe Mac OS X is a fork of BSD, so launchd working on FreeBSD does make some amount of sense.
>> No. 2353 [Edit]
>>2352
>fork of bsd
Not exactly, osx uses the xnu kernel which is basically a hybrid frankenkernel combining mach and bsd kernels. A lot of the userspace though is heavily borrowed/inspired from bsd (e.g. for a long time, the semi-official package manager was macports).
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I finally found it. The distro hopping cure.
>> No. 2360 [Edit]
>>2359
Why so? I've heard fedora is more a bleeding edge distro (they were among the first to adopt wayland). Something like popos seems more along the lines of a solution to distro-hopping since it's actively maintained as the primary os for system76 laptops so it should probably have pragmatic defaults and things like drivers will probably work reasonably without having to fiddle around with manually installing proprietary blobs.
>> No. 2361 [Edit]
>>2360
It has the convenience of a just werks distro but it’s still cutting edge. Since uninstalling Windows, I have tried Manjaro, Ubuntu, Debian, and Mint, but Fedora is the only one that just killed my compulsion to hop to another distribution. Also people seem to hate DNF and say it’s slow, but I don’t mind it.
>> No. 2362 [Edit]
>>2361
Anything which relies on a package manager doesn't "just werk". Using that phrase in relation to linux is false advertisement in my opinion.
>> No. 2363 [Edit]
>>2362
Would you say that iOS doesn't just werk because it relies on an appstore?
>> No. 2364 [Edit]
>>2363
ios "werks" at the expense of being crippleware. So even when it works, you'd rather not use it because it lacks basic functionality for general purpose, personal computing.

Post edited on 23rd Jul 2021, 2:25pm
>> No. 2365 [Edit]
>>2361
> I have tried Manjaro, Ubuntu, Debian, and Mint, but Fedora is the only one that just killed my compulsion
I mean the latter three are basically the same thing modulo the specific desktop environment. Fedora being the end-user version of RHL is probably good for package stability. And yeah between apt and yum, yum definitely feels more robust (I really like how there's an actual database of install logs that you can revert to).
>> No. 2366 [Edit]
>>2362
>Anything which relies on a package manager doesn't "just werk"
Why, what's a more bullshit-free way of installing software on a computer? You type something and it's installed. No obnoxious ads in the package manager itself, no clicky-click multi-step wizards, no checkboxes that you have to check to unbundle the bundleware, no dragging and dropping an application to mount it or whatever it is you have to do on a mac, and no "configure \ make \ make install" that's supposed to be straightforward but fails for no good reason half the time.

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