what are some things that really bug you? things that genuinely piss you off? I thought it would be nice to have a thread to vent about any little annoyance, no mater how big or small. Any and all complains about the world around you are welcome here!
>>33769 It's not so much the kids watching it that is the problem, it's adults watching it and then viewing children in a sexual nature. Our society is over sexualised already, including children which is why so few of them will remain virgins until adult hood. They are already in a far more susceptible mind frame to the advances of adults, preventing adults from seeing them as a sexual object could easily be seen as a legitimate concern. >Maybe expect more from parents? Which would do no good if the parents see them as sexual as well.
>>33771 >it's adults watching it and then viewing children in a sexual nature You're assuming it would become mainstream with adults and they would start pursuing real children to have sex with. Do you have evidence which supports this? Scientific studies? Statistics? The burden of proof should lie with whoever wants to make things illegal. The concern is only legitimate if there's evidence to back it up. It can't just be correlation either. If law and punishment isn't enough to deter crime, society has bigger problems than drawings. If you try and fix those problems by intruding on unalienable rights(like the right to draw whatever you want), you create a society not worth living in. That's what many people seem to want. >Our society is over sexualised already I don't think so. I think its a factoid thrown around a lot because sexual repression is peeling back a tiny bit. If the US is over-sexualized, Europe is hyper-sexual, and Japan is the std ridden sex maniac capital of the world. But they aren't. It's just in people's heads.
>>33772 I'm not assuming that hence another part of the reason that I don't support banning it. But it is likely that it would have that impact on at least some of the people that watch it. >Do you have evidence which supports this? Scientific studies? Statistics? The burden of proof should lie with whoever wants to make things illegal. Do you have any evidence that says it would not? I have already said I don't support it being made illegal but that I do see there being legitimate concerns people could have regarding it. The burden of proof should lie with whoever claims there is no rational basis behind something. >If you try and fix those problems by intruding on unalienable rights(like the right to draw whatever you want), you create a society not worth living in. I agree, from the start I said I was not advocating for it to be banned. > don't think so. I think its a factoid thrown around a lot because sexual repression is peeling back a tiny bit. If the US is over-sexualized, Europe is hyper-sexual, and Japan is the std ridden sex maniac capital of the world. But they aren't. It's just in people's heads. Well that's just a matter of perspective. But Japan actually isn't that sexualised, most people will remain virgins until later in life. One might think it is sexualised because we are viewing it from an obscured lens(otaku culture) but even within that culture how much sex is their actually in anime and how sexualised is it? Not that much comparatively.
>>33773 >The burden of proof should lie with whoever claims there is no rational basis behind something. Why? I'm not the one trying to restrict people's rights. Loli also isn't illegal in the US or Japan, so i'm not the one trying to change things either.Post edited on 3rd Dec 2019, 5:53pm
>>33774 Neither am I... All I am saying is that the idea that the people against it are stupid and have no logical reason to be against it is stupid in itself. I don't think the people that support loli should have their rights restricted or be cut off from voicing their opinions, however, nor do I think the people that are against loli should have their rights restricted or be cut off from voicing their opinions.
>>33773 Not him, but >Do you have any evidence that says it would not? That's not how the burden of proof works. You're supposed to prove the thesis of the claim, not the antithesis. The idea that highly stylized drawings will lead to a bunch of actual pedophiles running around has little-to-no evidence backing it up (admittedly I had trouble finding actual statistics on this since everything i look up leads to shitty clickbait articles), and the video that the other anon was complaining about, from what I could gleam, was just him meandering on for about 20 minutes that the style of MiA is inherently different from Eromanga Sensei, with no presenting of statistics on pedophilia. The guy who made that video is still a mongoloid though, and his voice is spiritually wounding.
>>33775 They can express their views and I can think they're dumb fucks for their views. Neither them or you have given me much reason to respect those views though. I don't see whatever sound reasoning you do in them. I definitely have no reason to like people with these views, especially considering what they've already done and want to do. >>33776 This anon gets it.
>>33776 >That's not how the burden of proof works. It seems that people often resort to this in lieu of an argument, this works both ways however and the original thesis in this case was that there was no thinking involved in their objection to loli, so even your argument goes against what you say. Do you really think there is a plethora of academic literature regarding this? No, even you yourself have said it's hard to find research on it, so should nobody ever have an opinion or view on anything that isn't backed up by a large amount of research? Well you already do(as do I) and you admit to it.
>>33776 >so should nobody ever have an opinion or view on anything that isn't backed up by a large amount of research? No one should make this kind of thing illegal without that research at least. If they want to make things illegal even without that research, they're a cunt, and they didn't really think about that position. "We don't have the facts, but I want to get rid of it because of my baseless concern", doesn't count as thinking. >>33776 There has been some serious stuff written about it. http://tireview.be/index.php/imagenarrative/article/view/127/98 https://www.academia.edu/28693090/The_Lolicon_Guy_Some_Observations_on_Researching_Unpopular_Topics_in_Japan https://books.google.com/books?id=Jni3DAAAQBAJ&pg=PP1&lpg=PP1&focus=viewport&dq=death+note+anime&lr=Post edited on 3rd Dec 2019, 8:05pm
>>33779 It's still thinking weather there is solid evidence behind it or not. It could easily be said that if something strongly appears to be similar to another thing that is illegal and has no solid evidence to differentiate it then it should be made illegal, the no evidence argument works both ways. You are just picking one side because it suits you.
>>33780 >if something strongly appears to be similar to another thing that is illegal and has no solid evidence to differentiate it then it should be made illegal >You are just picking one side because it suits you. One has a victim and another doesn't. Very clearly. We're not comparing murder with involuntary manslaughter.
>>33781 In places it's illegal to produce any things paedophilic in nature even if it isn't using a real child, it can be illegal to even write a story about such things, so loli could easily be seen to fall within that and indeed in many cases it will. It's not a matter of murder vs manslaughter but whether a certain kind of fictional portrayal should be seen as legal or not while another kind is illegal or whether a state or country that has no laws against certain fictional should introduce them or not.
>>33778 I was looking specifically for Japanese crime statistics involving child pornography and things related to it. Whatever I had done to search it left me only with CNN and clickbait articles that were demonizing the entire country for it right of the bat, or with the general sentiment that the overall crime rate in Japan was very low. It's not blind belief to say that someone who is making an argument requires evidence to back it up. It is not unreasonable whatsoever to ask for evidence that something DOES happen, and if there is none then we can easily assume it does NOT happen, or simply requires further research. The point still stands that these people call others pedophiles and ask them to change their lives over things that they are unable to prove the existence of. To put it more simply, a common thought experiment for burden of proof is Russel's Teapot, where Russel states that you could not expect to believe him if he simply says that there is a teapot circling between the sun and the earth simply because you could not prove him wrong. Although I personally dislike it's use to disprove the existence of a God, it is a perfect example of requiring proof to back up a claim. Nobody can simply believe pedophilia is on the rise due to anime and manga simply because you tell them that, proof is required, especially if you wish to reform legal and cultural systems over your arguments.
The attitude people have towards art and society in the west often reminds me of something Takeshi Nogami said after being interviewed by a western reporter.
>>33784 It was a good interview.
Hmm, the thread has moved quickly these past few days... I wonder what could be the topic of discussion? Ah yes, of course. To be honest, American moralists on Youtube crusades don't bug me that much. I watched some videos by ``Mother's Basement'' last week. I was only mildly irritated when he had his expected bitch about NGNL. The thing you have to understand about these guys is they're essentially compelled to do a ``think of the children'' bit. Some American Youtuber with 200,000 subscribers uncritically talks about an anime/manga with loli stuff? He'd get mobbed on Twitter or whatever, then goodbye sponsors. Big $$$ at stake in at least paying lip service to moralism.
>>33782 >whether a state or country that has no laws against certain fictional should introduce them or not. They clearly shouldn't. This conversation has always been about people who want this or have this type of mindset. These people are irrational. Their views are not justified by rational thought. There are no facts or room for change in their thinking, if you can call what they do thinking. It's semantics. >>33784 This is present in westerners even if they aren't religious. I can't stand people who want to spread that religion in Japan. >>33787 I can kind of see this. I don't know whether these guys have such great acting ability though, or if they would even need to pretend for the sake of money. Even if it's true, I don't want them spreading awareness. If this mindset is going to continue to be prevalent, I don't want people to know about anime or manga or visual novels, any of it. I want the people who think in this way to be as ignorant and oblivious of it as possible.Post edited on 4th Dec 2019, 5:04am
>>33788 >There are no facts or room for change in their thinking, if you can call what they do thinking. It's semantics. The same could be said of you, there are unreasonable and thoughtless people on both sides and you are being one of them. >>33783 >To put it more simply, a common thought experiment for burden of proof is Russel's Teapot, where Russel states that you could not expect to believe him if he simply says that there is a teapot circling between the sun and the earth simply because you could not prove him wrong. Although I personally dislike it's use to disprove the existence of a God, it is a perfect example of requiring proof to back up a claim. Nobody can simply believe pedophilia is on the rise due to anime and manga simply because you tell them that, proof is required, especially if you wish to reform legal and cultural systems over your arguments. That same argument cuts BOTH ways, just as they can't prove that loli causes paedophilia with solid evidence, you can't prove that there is a reasonable enough difference between the two and that there is no possibility that it could cause paedophilia. It's theory vs theory.
>>33789 You're tiresome. Your forced, post modern "nothing is correct or wrong and every viewpoint and goal is equally valid no matter what" bs is tiresome. What are you trying to accomplish? What's the conclusion and how does it translate into action? Theory is not the same thing as trying to pass laws, or in any way control other people's actions. If laws "should" be added because of laws that already exist, the original laws should be put into question.
>>33790 You are a relativist. I have to say I hate that. People that can't compromise with anything. Maybe you're right and it's not a matter of rationality. Maybe it's a matter of believe. Believe in freedom, individual rights, or the opposite. You couldn't say an stalinist (or fascist or whatever suits you better) doesn't have a rationale for their believes, but I would never say it's the same as anyone else. Still, I don't think there's too much rationale in moralists since they are mostly installed in fear and hysteria. If there's someone that knows something about japanese culture and makes a critique about it then I could listen, but you can't consider every random rant as respectable; opinions are respectable when they are respectable.
>>33791 Oops, this was meant for >>33789
Any form of group project. I can't imagine a system more carefully designed precisely to target those who abhor any form of social interaction. And as my luck has it, I'm always left with a group that does jack shit while professors tell you to suck it up and work it out yourselves. It's hard to believe there are functioning people who don't respond to emails, can never manage to meet on time, etc., yet still managed to get into uni. And then you have the wildcards, people whose behavior leaves you stunned. This time I'm lopped in with an EE PhD from China who brazenly proclaims himself to be a member of the Chinese Communist Party and couldn't be a better archetype of a student spy.
>>33814 >EE PhD from China who brazenly proclaims himself to be a member of the Chinese Communist Party and couldn't be a better archetype of a student spy. Report him to the feds. Make shit up if you have to, just get them looking at him.
>>33814 >And as my luck has it, I'm always left with a group that does jack shit while professors tell you to suck it up and work it out yourselves. This is the teeth-kicker. I don't understand people who go to school but act indifferent and aren't motivated--especially if you're paying for it. The best part is when one group member does close-to-nothing, and you tell the professor that she doesn't deserve credit.
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Summer heat makes me mad.
>>35173 So hot & humid here.
Winter is too cold
Fancy food. I'm a simple person; fancy food is only for special occasions!
>>13982 >>12337 >vegan/vegetarian A bit tangential, but I recently found out that Japanese monks actually have a "codified" vegetarian diet, Shojin Ryori. Then again, JP diet is mostly lacto-ovo vegetarian + fish so it's not too much of a stretch but it's interesting that a lot of eastern monks and religions (hinduism, buddhism) discourage meat eating (in India with the caste-system, Brahmins also couldn't eat meat. Although in modern times this is a bit blurred and india isn't the mythologized vegetarian nation that the west sometimes portrays it to be, although there are still non-trivial subsets of the population who adhere to it). Of course putting aside the religious reasons they give for not eating meat (which are usually corporeal in the case of western vegans – "think of the animals" – or more spiritual in the case of the religions/monks – that the emotions slaughtered animals subtly affect you on a non-physical plane [1]) the interesting part is whether it's "healthy" to live like this in the first place. The fact that JP does pretty well with basically lacto-ovo vegetarian + fish seems to indicate that it's probably possible, although removing the fish means you lose out on EPA/DHA omega-3. The body can convert ALA found in some vegetables and nuts to these two, but only certain genotypes seem to do so efficiently [2]. And of course if you cut out milk altogether then it's basically game-over in terms of trying to be healthy without supplements since you have no b12. So ironically if the vegans would just shut up and drink some milk and eat fish once a week they could honestly be fine and be 95% of the way there in terms of their goals. Although I suppose you never hear about those people, it's always the most dogmatic ones who refuse to compromise. [1] As I take it, this only really matters later on in "spiritual development," and it's technically neither necessary nor sufficient for development, although it's supposed to make it easier should you decide to pursue it. [2] https://www.vitalchoice.com/article/omega-3-mystery-solved
>>38549 The Japanese actually do eat red meat now and the average height before they started doing that was 5 foot tall, authentic Samurai armour is tiny. Funnily enough even Tibetan Buddhist monks eat meat, the Dalai Lama himself does.
>>38550 Yeah they've probably been influenced a bit by the west. Also good point on the stature, a vegetarian diet isn't exactly conducive to robust physical activities (although there are probably ways to make it work if you carefully manage things). Indeed, that's probably why it works for monks and such, where you don't expend much energy – physical or mental – at all. >Funnily enough even Tibetan Buddhist monks eat meat, the Dalai Lama himself does. Yeah I think I read he tried it for a short period but developed health issues. Historically I think this could also be due to the fact that vegetables don't grow that well in Tibet so doing vegetarianism is hard there, but even in modern times with globalized agriculture I guess it's just momentum from historical diets (plus practically it's probably cheaper) combined with the fact that it ultimately doesn't impact things too much either way. And I found this amusing article which – if true – probably indicates that you shouldn't look to monks as the picture of healthy living ]1] [1] https://inews.co.uk/news/world/obese-buddhist-monks-exercise-health-239763
People who do things loudly when they otherwise don't need to. For example, slamming doors when they live with others, even though it takes only the smallest amount of effort to shut a door gently. Even if they aren't being considerate, wouldn't you prefer to hear a door slowly shut and click as opposed to slamming in your own ear? I will never understand it.
>>40606 My room mate does that. They also get really loud when playing videogames. Things like manors, mutual respect, and basic edicate are things you can't take for granted.
>>40607 Sorry to hear. Feel like it's just a continual cycle of loud roommates for me. Doesn't help that I'm a light sleeper, but I get woken up constantly when they stomp around the house and use doors since I sleep during the day.
youtubers. except the travel ones. and ofcourse the ones that are in my circle.
Calling every 2D female an "anime girl". Bonus point if it's done in regards to characters drawn by western artists. Not something I'm losing sleep over, but it's been bugging me for a good while now.
>>41695 I agree and find that extremely grating and am glad I am not the only one. Though I will take that any day over calling 2D females "waifus".
>>41696 >Though I will take that any day over calling 2D females "waifus" Just to explain in case I conveyed my point incorrectly, I am not talking about having a waifu. I am referring to sentences like "This anime has so many waifus".
>>41695 >>41697 A lot of linguistic problems like this would be gone if people understood the term "heroine" which is almost certainly what they're looking for.
>>41698 Most people would think that sounds stuffy. Or too close to heroin. The only time I can recall it being used like that is The World Only God Knows' OP. Not that I have a better suggestion. I just say an anime has lots of cute girls and leave it at that.
>>41699 Heroine is a very common word, but the sense in which people use "this anime has a lot of cute waifus" it cannot be always interchanged with heroine unless the characters in question are primary characters. Moreover heroine also has an implication of positive qualities, which may not necessarily be the case for the show in question, and heroine is usually scoped to a single protagonist, whereas the anime might have a wider cast, e.g. deuteragonist, or eschew that structure completely (as in a SoL, where the entire cast is on equal footing). Saying that the work in question has a lot of cute girls is probably the cleanest option when its known that we are referring to manga/anime. But when the context is ambiguous, I personally don't see anything wrong with using the general term "anime girl" even when the work in question is not anime; it's usually the art style or personality traits they are talking about, so "anime-[esque/style] girl" is not really a bad description.
>>41700 >and heroine is usually scoped to a single protagonist I meant 'heroine' as its used in otaku discourse which is definitely not singular. Specifically in the context of ren'ai games, any girl with a route is a heroine.
>>41696 >Though I will take that any day over calling 2D females "waifus". Truly makes me buttmad reading such a thing despite not being a waifufag. It smells of disrespect and ignorance towards the "culture."
>>41701 >any girl with a route is a heroine. That's fair, although in the context of VN "routes" as you mentioned, each girl is effectively the "main character" within a route, so in that sense the definition of protagonist still holds. Basically there's still a narrative structure in place which allows for scoping referent to a single character. I still feel using this more broadly for things like full-cast SoLs is a stretch.
I hate twitter and everyone who uses it. I wish every single twitter user would drop dead.
>>41708 What about all the Japanese artists?
>>41709 I guess they're fine, but I'd still be willing to lose them if it meant getting rid of everyone else on the site.
>>41712 This seems like an absurd stance to take if you passionately enjoy 2D media created in the 21st century. Think of all the mangaka, the animators, the writers, the illustrators, the musicians, the voice actors, the game developers, etc. who would be gone. Hell, even Tohno has a Twitter account. >>41151 What would happen to TC?
>>41718 Obviously we'd hire a necromancer and have him reanimate tohno. Can't have him enjoy the boundless wonders of the afterlife while we suffer in our meatsacks.
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