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3044 No. 3044 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [Last 50 posts]
Hello gentlemen, and welcome to the Advent of Code: TOHNO-CHAN Edition.

Post your solutions!
Ask questions!
Have fun!

Leaderboard: 1795791-8781b07c
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today's puzzle was pretty fun
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C dude here. Last year(2023) I tried Advent of Code again and surprisingly succeeded at first. I did the first day part 1 in around 2 days, then part 2 also around 2 days. I progressed this way doing all problems until day 3 pt1. When I finished it, it was already day 12 or something. I eventually got sidetracked and returned to this a few days ago to finish day 3 pt2. Well, I did the thing and my program apparently works flawlessly, I have it printing every individual value and manually checked for many numbers, but the fucking site gives me "wrong answer". How do I debug this? How to find the one fucking * that is causing me all this trouble? My program is still written in the same style as my 2022 attempt, pure C, parsing every single char at a time. It is too long and contrived and so I wouldn't want to force anybody to wade through the spaghetti swamp. I kindly ask any anon that have done this if they can check my input with their code at at some random lines(binary search recommended) so I can find the fucking line with the faulty exception.
>> No. 3358 [Edit]
Just run my input and say something like:
Up until line 40: Total gear sum value is: XYZ
Up until line 100: Blah, blah, blah.
Just a few lines so I can compare with my results.
>> No. 3360 [Edit]
>How to find the one fucking * that is causing me all this trouble? My program is still written in the same style as my 2022 attempt, pure C, parsing every single char at a time. It is too long and contrived and so I wouldn't want to force anybody to wade through the spaghetti swamp
Have you considered using a different language?

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1280 No. 1280 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
A bit late with this one, but whatever. To start off:
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>> No. 3349 [Edit]
>This will likely be available only in Japan, much like its other scented counterparts, though it does offer international shipping. Sure, there could be someone who has a thermal paste collection likely to purchase this. Still, realistically, the shipping cost and the customs duty would make others look at more comprehensive options.
That someone? Me.

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>> No. 3355 [Edit]
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Joe Biden has personally declared C++ to be unsafe and not fit for use in the modern world.
>> No. 3356 [Edit]
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I am a C programmer. I will program on C. I will allocate and de-allocate memory as I see fit. I will use pointers. I will have total access to my program's variables. I will use goto. I will not learn your shitty programming languages. I will not use your IDEs, they mean nothing to me. Their shiny colours and real time warnings have no effect on me. I will use notepad. I heed not your safety warnings. I am not afraid of danger. I will write my own programs. I will write my own compiler. I will write my own OS. I will build my own computer and design it's parts. I will build my own house. I will pirate all your software. I will pirate your books and your games. I will mod my games. I will pirate your movies and your songs. I will torrent. I will use imageboards. I will drive stick. I will drive at whatever speed I desire to. My car will run on fossil fuels. I will use USB, I will not use Bluetooth. I will own a fridge with no internet. My furniture shall have no internet. Your smart houses are not smarter than me. I will take cold showers. I will eat meat. I will eat pork. I will eat fish. I will drink milk. I will not eat bugs. I will not take the jab. I will own firearms. I will own pistols and revolvers. I will own assault rifles. I will hunt. I will fish. I will exercise and lift weights. I will sprint. I will perform feats of strength. I will draw. I will paint. I will compose music. I will take pictures. I will sculpt. I will cook my own food. I will bake. I will gamble. I will go on nightwalks. I will camp. I will hitchhike. I will climb mountains. I will explore caves. I will sail the oceans. I will explore the world. I will pilot ships. I will pilot airplanes. I will own a ship and an airplane. I will visit whatever country I wish to. I will have sex with a gorgeous girl. My phallus will not undergo the plastic yoke. I will not pay taxes. I will not have a bank account. I am my own bank. I am my own CEO. I am a one-man revolutionary army. I am a one-man empire. I am a pioneer, I am a trailblazer. I am the master of my own universe. You may try to stop me but you will not succeed. Others want to be me but they will never be me. Government and politicians fear me. My relatives fear me. I
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>I will have sex with a gorgeous girl
>most importantly I will have a loving, caring gentle femdom GF

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1547 No. 1547 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
It doesn't matter if you're a beginner or Dennis Ritchie, come here to talk about what you are doing, your favorite language and all that stuff.
I've been learning python because c++ was too hard for me (I'm sorry nenecchi I failed to you), reached OOP and it feels weird compared to the latter one, anyway I never got it completely.
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I just found this really nice interactive tutorial on how to use Datalog, which is an alternative to SQL (although it's actually older than SQL):
>> No. 3344 [Edit]
I'm still using CoffeeScript in 2024 AD, and I'm loving it.
>> No. 3346 [Edit]
Coq was finally renamed. There's not much to be said since it was an inevitability, and anything else would be better suited for /tat/.
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I've looked into >>/ot/40374 again, and realized a few things. First of all, there is a standardized way of including metadata in pretty much every image format including PNG, XMP, an XML-based sort of "container" for meta-data. You can place EXIF tags in XMP, or Dublin Core tags, which seem more appropriate.

One way to add this information to a file, is by writing some XMP, and using Exiftool to add it. I did this to the attached image.
<?xpacket begin=''> <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x='adobe:ns:meta/' x:xmptk='Image::ExifTool 12.77'> <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=''> <rdf:Description rdf:about='' xmlns:dc=''> <dc:subject> <rdf:Bag> <rdf:li>3girls</rdf:li> <rdf:li>^_^</rdf:li> <rdf:li>cat</rdf:li> <rdf:li>comiket_103</rdf:li> </rdf:Bag> </dc:subject> </rdf:Description> </rdf:RDF> </x:xmpmeta> <?xpacket end='w'?>

In the command line:
exiftool -tagsfromfile .\tags.xmp -all:all .\comiket103.png -overwrite_original

You can download this image from tc, and that data should still be there. So how does this make things easier? How about a meta-data injector? A tool which using filenames and reverse image search, can get image tags from a booru, and add them to files you already have by using a similar, automated process. The other missing piece to this, is adding the ability for windows explorer to read and write this XMP information. Filemeta exists, but that doesn't seem to utilize XMP.

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3230 No. 3230 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
A thread to speculate where technology is headed.

I'll start by asking whether you think PCs have a future. You may have heard that Microsoft is planning of making Windows 365 available to consumers. So thin clients that rely on an internet connection to be used, will probably become more mainstream at some point.

Right now, there's a few things I can think of which would prevent thin clients from rendering full-fledged PCs from becoming "obsolete". Latency being one obvious barrier, but internet speeds are getting faster.

There's also the issue of gaming. While there is a niche of people who expect 120 fps at a minimum, that might not be a large enough market to keep PCs afloat. Maybe normal people playing on consoles, and a hostile landscape, will kill off the temporary boom that PC gaming is having.

Lastly, a lot of companies would get fucked over if thin clients became the norm, like ones that specialize in certain PC parts(Crucial, AMD, Noctua, etc.). There would also be no justification for higher-end hardware in stuff like laptops.

What do you think?
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>> No. 3238 [Edit]
The point I think he's making is that there's way more more "semantically meaningful" information handled by the client (i.e. text buffers, codebase metadata, etc) with the "LSP" (specialized client + RPC mechanism, really) approach, which might make it easier to leak remote data (either intentionally or, say, by local caching and whatnot), as opposed to the desktop streaming approach, where all you have is a bunch of pixels from your remote screen and all of the meaningful state is on the remote end.
>> No. 3239 [Edit]
At my dad's job, he uses all kinds of software, not just an IDE. Database managers and all kinds of built-in-house stuff. They also use Excel files stored in Windows network folders, and stuff like that. None of that can be accessible from his host OS.
>> No. 3240 [Edit]
Yeah that's fair, although I find it hard to imagine a threat model where an adversary can access in-memory text buffers but wouldn't be able to just capture the entire framebuffer (thereby accessing remote content). Usually the threat model with regard to thin-clients for FAANG companies is to avoid any code hitting disk, which is fairly easy to guarantee even with an LSP-type approach.
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A few things have come out in the months since this thread was made. First of all, ARM CPUs are coming to the mainstream. Apple has already made the transition, but now both NVIDIA and AMD are planning on getting in on it. I think this will constitute a new "era" of personal computing, ending the one that started with Windows XP.

On the software-side, compatibility with win32 applications will become less emphasized, and maybe even gradually phased out. Compatibility layers are bound to be imperfect, and most users don't care enough about that for it to affect their purchasing decisions. Web-based applications have become popular even in the corporate sphere, and while there's a few irreplaceable professional-applications, all of those will get ported. On top of all that, emulating a windows 7 machine is becoming increasingly trivial on modern hardware.

On the hardware-side, lower-end GPUs will probably go extinct as iGPUs get better. Power efficiency might become more emphasized, which ARM contributes to. Those 1300W PSUs might disappear. Socketed ram might also go extinct because there's performance and energy advantages to coupling it together with the CPU. Most people upgrade everything all at once anyway. It really depends on how AMD and NVIDIA decide to handle desktop ARM.

The gaming industry as a whole doesn't seem to be doing too well. Games have become too expensive to make, and they're kind of crap now for the most part. I don't know how much interest there is among the general populace in non-mobile stuff. This will affect PCs too, but I'm not sure how and to what extent.

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165 No. 165 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
Need help with computers? Post your questions here.

ME-tan will do her best to help (with the help of other users, ofc).
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How can I manually backup gave save data from android 8.0.0? When I connect it to my computer it doesn't show the game folders. I know there's some fuckery with hidden folders in android but how do i get to see them and transfer them to my pc?
>> No. 3319 [Edit]
I believe to do this without root, only approach is via adb. See
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Spammers have figured out they can circumvent url blacklists by using paste sites. This wouldn't be a problem if those had spam prevention, but for some reason, that isn't the norm. The only solution I can think of is creating a list of paste sites where this isn't a problem, and informing users about it, so they wont be surprised if one they try to use is blacklisted.

This still isn't optimal since many(most) users will probably ignore any such list.

edit: another solution could be getting the contents of linked-to sites and checking those for spam.

edit2: looking at it closer, this new spam links to pastes which don't have spam links either, but telegra dot ph and bitaps dot com addresses.

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>> No. 3351 [Edit]
>many(most) users will probably ignore any such list.
If users don't read the rules, the content they were going to post probably wasn't very high quality anyway.

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3111 No. 3111 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
A thread to talk about media formats. New and exciting, or old, but interesting.

This file is an animated png, which to my understanding has entirely been superseded by webp. If the former has some advantage though, tell me about it.

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>> No. 3340 [Edit]
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Tangentially related. Don't know anything about tracker formats, but when trying to figure out how to listen to s98 files, I discovered a windows program called KbMedia Player that works well

>Do you two see the same ratio improvements regardless of compression range or is it mainly noticeable for lossless?
I haven't encoded enough video to make those observations. I would like more releases to at least be in h265 since smaller file sizes have no down side for me.
>> No. 3341 [Edit]
The jump from h264 to h265 is fairly big, most single-episode releases go from 1GB to ~400MB. The improvement from h265 -> av1 isn't quite as big as that, looks about 400MB -> 200MB or so.

h264 releases will likely keep getting made forever since its the lowest common denominator. h265 re-encodes are fairly available.
>> No. 3342 [Edit]
>h264 releases will likely keep getting made forever since its the lowest common denominator
GPUs could stop supporting it like with VP8. Sure h264 is way more entrenched, but streaming is only getting more common and faster. If you're encoding everything in AV1(or something else) to begin with because of that, there's no reason to encode things in h264 for the blu-ray release. I'd say this shift will happen within 25 years.

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>> No. 3343 [Edit]
>GPUs could stop supporting it like with VP8
I don't think vp8 hwdec ever had wide adoption in the first place? Unlikely that gpus would stop supporting h264, there is so much legacy media that it's worth it for that alone.

> If you're encoding everything in AV1(or something else) to begin with because of that, there's no reason to encode things in h264 for the blu-ray release
No one is encoding av1 but hobbyists and big streaming companies right now because encode cost is too expensive, and almost no devices support av1 hwdec. It's been about 20 years since h264 was released, now most devices can hwdec h265 and yet h264 is still popular. I doubt it will go away that easily.

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1813 No. 1813 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
How do I get this?!?! I wanna have Miku sitting on my desktop like that!
My OS is linux ubuntu, by the way. I've been searching all over the internet but I can't find a way to install this!
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>> No. 1872 [Edit]
Actually I didn't check before posting because I thought the software died years ago but it got updated in June, my repos is lagging two versions behind. I compiled the new one the menu works fine now. According to dmesg it was a GTK problem.

Thanks anyways.
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I had some linker errors trying to get this to build on Linux. Seems like some GCC defaults changed since this was working to disallow for some undefined behavior, which MaCoPiX needs to be patched for. In the meantime, it can be worked around using `make LDFLAGS=-Wl,--allow-multiple-definition` for the make step.
>> No. 3338 [Edit]
I couldn't get this working by building from the source, because it kept saying it couldn't find X11/XFree despite me having the most up to date version of xorg and all of those related packages.

In any case, I got this to run just by using sudo apt-install macopix.
It's a little janky and all of the official mascots are from 2007 and take forever to download despite being tiny (less than 1mb) files and I honestly don't think I'd run this outside of a VM, but it's still very cute and quite fun to have a look at.
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Image for reference.

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2260 No. 2260 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Surprised this doesn't exist yet.

So what do you think the future of AI is? Do you think eventually, we'll be able to give an AI general instructions and have it program something based on that? Like "write a play station 5 emulator" and then it would actually be able do it? Would that be a good or bad thing?
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>> No. 3171 [Edit]
> it wouldn't know how to properly deal with the concepts
It well might, assuming that diffusion models can reproduce any source distribution (which is a big claim). But I agree it would be a lot trickier, one pixel off in a photorealistic (or anime-esque) image will not matter much, while one pixel off in a pixel-art will ruin the thing. But jaggies/anti-aliasing should be handled trivially since even conventional 2D image processing can do it via simple conv filters, same for outlines and dithering.

Also fine-tuning doesn't require as much hardware as de novo training, supposedly even few-shot training would work.
>> No. 3308 [Edit]
Looks like music generation is about to have its diffusion moment:

What I can't find is what the actual model they're using is. Previous attempts at music generation used some sort of autoregressive thing (e.g. MusicLM) or diffusion-type (Noise2Music). My guess is that they're basically combining several recent achievements: something like MusicLM to generate the beats, then using some TTS model (vall-e?) on top for the lyrics. Presumably they might actually train both of these at once so they can share some information in embedding space, so that lyrics and musical downbeats align.
>> No. 3309 [Edit]
Do let us know when it can generate a song on the level of The Gates of Delirium that won't sound like garbage.
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Hopefully. Regarding percieved standalone potential of present models (i.e prompting only, no assistive file to mimic) generative music has far more of interest to offer, and so piques mine. I don't think it will be capable of generating anything that tops good creative direction, especially for any genre which has a heavy focus on atmosphere, lengthy progressions or production nuances (with the exception of ambient drone I suppose). Similarly I think attempting to mimic vocal music (in a single pass, for everything) is a mistake. However, for genres that are instrumental, purely monotonous in tone but quite varied yet very similar in melody composition (of which there are many) I could see it being very satisfactory, for instance: most any traditionally influenced genre (Bossa Nova[!] and celtic especially), Math rock to an extent, and dnb/jungle.

It would be made more interesting if it was capable of producing tracker formatted music, given that format is far more efficient in file size, more configurable and is more structurally specified and so easier for it to produce, and easier to reference. Though I imagine the methods used aren't suitable for doing such directly as the database is certainly raw audio, so the best one could hope for is a post-convert...
Maybe one day I'll be able to run a bgm generator that either live generates and appends a running mod file in ram or simply generates an 18h file that I can listen to throughout the day, for only 50mb and maybe 2-3 minutes of peaked resource usage, at startup.

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3312 No. 3312 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Hey everyone,

I just read this cool article (1) about mulberry fruit extracts and how they might slow down skin aging, thanks to their polyphenols. It's on and talks about how these extracts help fight glycation and boost antioxidant functions.

This got me thinking – what's the real deal with polyphenols and anti-glycation? I mean, are all polyphenols equally good at this, or do some work better than others? And does their structure make a difference in how well they stop those AGEs from forming, especially for skin health?

Also, is there any debate among scientists about how effective these polyphenols really are? I’m curious to know what both sides are saying.

Would love to hear your thoughts or any cool studies you might know about!


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>> No. 3313 [Edit]
I can't tell if this is an absurdly high-effort version of the "miracle berry" spam ads, or an actual discussion topic from someone with biochem experience.

Unless there's other biochemists lurking here I think you might have to break things down for us layman a bit more: I have some vague knowledge of polyphenols being good antioxidants, but beyond that what's the particular role between anti-glycation and skin health? Is there a particular reason you're interested in skin health (it seems like other factors like metabolic health or basically any other body part would be more substantive).
>> No. 3315 [Edit]
Might be a spam ad, generated by AI.
>> No. 3316 [Edit]
Why would I want to extend my life and misery though?
>> No. 3317 [Edit]
You may actually be right, that "" website seems a bit suspicious, it basically has a pagerank of 0, not having any inbound links from a reputable site. And the only links to that site that exist on the web are either from random spam domains, or from other chans/forums, which use the same copy-pasted text as OP.

The thing that confuses me is that the site itself is fairly "clean", it doesn't have any trackers besides google analytics, no ads from what I can see, minimal JS. So what's the point of this: high effort SEO farming? I'm guessing the article may be auto-generated, but it seems to have valid relevant citations which is not really something that LLMs are known for.

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2330 No. 2330 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Let's talk about web hosting and what that involves. I'm interested in diy solutions, especially for security. Cloudflare is now ubiquitous, but is it really necessary, or are there things web masters can do to protect their website themself?

I've seen some onion sites which have a password prompt to access. A simple pop-up that requests the user type in a given username and password. Is a simple solution like that good enough to defend against ddos attack?
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>> No. 2336 [Edit]
>And a static IP
You can work around this with a dyndns type setup. And in practice your assigned ip usually remains fixed unless your reboot the modem so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle. Definitely not a commercial-grade solution though.
>> No. 2337 [Edit]
>See linked paper
The solution proposed in this article requires the involvement of ISPs, at least to update routers. So is a purely software-based solution that would put the computing burden of authentication on users impossible because of the physical infrastructure of the internet?

Could the address of a website not be obfuscated in some way, and periodically changed, so that the only way to find it and send packets to it, would be for the client to run a program that solves a complicated math problem or something?
>> No. 2338 [Edit]
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> requires the involvement of ISPs, at least to update routers
Yeah hence why I mentioned it requires basically redesigning the architecture of the internet.
>So is a purely software-based solution
I think what you mean is whether there exists a solution that can be implemented on top of the existing routing architecture, involving only changes to the endpoints? If so, my intuition is that this is not possible because by design the way routing works on the Internet is that a client can send packets to an server without that server having prior knowledge that the client exists. And in fact, since a client can spoof the source IP the server fundamentally _can't_ be sure of the client's identity. (Note: good ISPs will have ingress IP checks and nullroute spoofed packets, but all it takes is one non-conforming ISP to allow for this).

You might be interested in the attached paper which shows that even solving a strictly simpler problem: reconstructing the path that a packet takes throughout the network (thereby preventing spoofed source IPs) is still very difficult. The authors use a very elegant packet tagging scheme and go to great efforts to maintain compatibility with the existing IP packet formats. But the fundamental limitation is that it requires a significant fraction of ISPs to adopt it, and given that packet routing is mostly done in hardware these days it will require huge costs to replace all this hardware as well. (More generally, you'll see this chicken and egg situation is the single biggest issue with bringing academic research in networking security into practice. They usually only work if there's mass adoption, but no one will be the first to adopt it due to costs).

>Could the address of a website not be obfuscated in some way, and periodically changed, so that the only way to find it and send packets to it, would be for the client to run a program that solves a complicated math problem or something?

Once you deobfuscate it on one client, you can share that deobfuscated address between all clients. The asymme
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>> No. 3307 [Edit]
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Pro-tip, if you don't want to pay extra for a VPS that has an ipv4 address, you can use this to make your ipv6 only site accessible to those who only have an ipv4 address:

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2992 No. 2992 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Well, I want to wanna learn. Blows my mind reading some of these threads where it's like I'm reading another language. The whole thing is overwhelming, which only intrigues me more. How did you get started with coding/internet languages/programming. I don't even know what to call it, see? Where does one begin? I remember buying a C64 a few years ago with the goal of learning basic and creating a very simple game like the protagonist in RPO, but I gave up pretty fast and sold the god damn thing. Bought a Vic-20 too for some reason, but I still have that. Think I was just obsessing over old computers at the time. Had some experience with python in my physics class, but that didn't last long cuz I dropped that major the next semester lol.

Please, I at least want some kind've a general idea about what the fuck you guys are saying sometimes. It's so intimidating, but fascinating. Like I know another reality exists within my own, but I can't perceive or interact with it in any meaningful way. Where do I start?
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>> No. 3011 [Edit]
>subtopics pertaining
You mean restoring vintage computers? There's a decent amount of people into retrocomputing (not on TC but elsewhere on the internet), and you don't even necessarily have to know anything about programming to do that. In fact having some soldering knowledge will probably be more useful since you'll probably need to replace bad capacitors and such. But I'm not sure what people do with them once they get it running.
>> No. 3012 [Edit]
Good point haha, I guess the only real thing you can do is mess with software formats that aren't compatible with today's computers. I have a lot of old floppy discs I'd love to check out. Maybe even buy some vintage games and run them on their original hardware for that authenticity. I'm not too sure haha, but I know for sure it spikes my interest. What interested you and what subtopic do you thrive in?
>> No. 3013 [Edit]
>what subtopic do you thrive in?
I wouldn't say I'm interested in a particular subfield more than any other, I find all of them interesting and will eagerly seek out opportunities to learn more about them.

>What interested you
I don't really remember. I think it's just that I spend a lot of time on the computer, so it was a motivation to know enough to be able to have unilateral control over my environment. And to be able to confidently mess around with things, you need to know how they work.
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My issue with programming is that I am extremely stubborn and can't focus on things that I have no interest in. So, in python class for example, when they tell me to code something that figures out how to perform some sort of function based around division of numbers or whatever, I just lose interest. If the language were written in such a way that classes, objects, strings etc were called "swords", "spells", "dragons" etc I would be more mentally stimulated and pay attention...

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