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2533 No. 2533 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
...or books. tell me about them.
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>> No. 2624 [Edit]
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>>2601
In the surface, its main point is to define a strict notion of correctness in language usage, derived from mathematical logic, to disregard all metaphysical propositions as nonsensical and hail science as the only creditable source of knowledge. Wittgenstein assured to have solved all ancient philosophical problems by dissolving them: he pretended to ridicule and destroy philosophy by exposing it as a mere misuse of language and reduce it to a mere observer of science, thus claiming the final victory of the analytical movement (which his tutor Bertrand Russell commanded) over the continental tradition. This was the epistemological goal of the book; but it gets eventually attacked by he himself (remarkably, at 6.37X) and it's called off by the very end.

As Russell himself realized, Wittgenstein had a hidden agenda for this book: to deliver an ethical message (or rather, an ethical "example"). He wrote the Tractatus during WWI, down the trenches and dungeons; he wanted to talk about human life and our problems but, as he clearly acknowledges at 6.42, those kind of things are impossible to say "correctly" by the very means he had just defined; such is the "inexpressible" he talks about in 6.522; those are the "senseless" propositions of him that he denounces at 6.54 (and which comprise most of the proposition 6 entire set). We must climb up the Tractatus ladder to realize how useless logic is for actual life and so throw the ladder away: we must learn to speak correctly to realize that goodness is not something to talk about, but to live upon. We must learn to tell the time to speak (and do it correctly) from the time to shut up and act...

That is more or less my take on the Tractatus and what I see as the undying value of Wittgenstein.
>> No. 2625 [Edit]
>>2624
>That is more or less my take on the Tractatus and what I see as the undying value of Wittgenstein.

Have you read Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations/his other later works? If yes, did you form your opinion on Tractatus before or after reading them?

>Wittgenstein had a hidden agenda for this book: to deliver an ethical message

The copy I read had a preface by von Wright. He stated that Wittgenstein considered Tractatus to be mostly misunderstood. Do you think it is because people do not consider the ethical dimension enough?
>> No. 2628 [Edit]
>>2625
I've also read Zettel and parts of Ph.Inv. I formed my opinion on the Tractatus before that (cause I firstly studied it on a course devoted sololy to Positivism), but it didn't change much after checking the other works; Wittgenstein (fortunately) changed his conception of language, but apparently not of goodness (as exposed at 6.422).

I think a great deal of people might have been (and still be) mesmerized by the epistemological message of the Tractatus rather than the ethical, mainly for two reasons:

- Vienna Circle's take on it and its legacy of naive realism (pro or against)

- A general ignorance among scientists about linguistics and semiotics (the sparkles that ignited postmodern philosophy, from structuralism onwards), though I don't know exactly how much Wittgenstein knew about these either (he might have referred to Frege but never to Saussure or Peirce, as far as I recall; he rarely referred to anyone anyway).
>> No. 2629 [Edit]
>>2628
Thank you for your insights. I think all the works I had earlier read on it had made me too concerned of the epistemological side. I think I'll give it another go when I've finished my current readings.

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2381 No. 2381 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
The Truth About Radioactivity
In the following paper I shall do my best to relay the truth concerning the Chernobyl Disaster, the physics of waves, colour and radioactivity, and a series of popular myths concerning Native Americans, birds, and sunglasses.
In essence, everything you've learned in school is wrong; for decades a thick veil of lies has been formed around you, thoroughly indoctrinated through any formal education you've received, the more the worse. In fact, I can safely inform you that radiation has almost nothing to do with nuclear energy, and bears little of the known danger characteristics. Radioactivity is in fact, the activity of radios, the presence of radio waves in the air. Ripples in the fabric of the universe around you. As you may know, radio waves are considered long wavelengths of light, so long that you cannot see it. This is untrue, and the sight of them are simply blocked by a surgical incision at birth. The effect of these surgeries can be negated however, most effectively with LSD and marijuana, hence the government's reasoning for illegalizing the drug.
Green wavelengths are the easiest to see, and this is because it is by far the most dangerous, but also the most effective at controlling an innocent citizen. When you think you are hearing radio, you're really not. The thoughts and sounds are planted directly into your brain, wavelengths that leech onto your brain, in exactly the same way with all the people around you. Some stay for longer than others, and the time it takes to decay fifty percent is known as the half-life. Sometimes they bounce off your head, and this is why people sometimes disagree slightly about a word or two. And sometimes still, the waves will entirely mess up your brain for a finite amount of time, with a very long half-life; this is what causes a certain song or melody "sticking to your brain".

If this happens, it is obviously very dangerous, which is why the governments also have restrictions on radioactivity. For instance, the reason for some radio stations changing frequency ever so slightly is that the activity on a specific frequency has become too much, and is potentially fatal. In countries such as the Soviet Union where there was no order or control from the government, situations can occur that five stations are broadcasting the gree
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>> No. 2536 [Edit]
Nice conspiracy theory bullshit, Joe Virgin Knight.

Now, anything to support these ridiculous claims? I hope you realize you sound like an edgy, retarded teenager. This is so wrong in every sentence it makes me cringe and lose hope in humanity, realizing that someone may actually believe it.
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>>2536
I dont have the patience to explain it to you, but everything he wrote is actually right.
Go back to school.

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Everyone who participates in internet debates should watch this.
>> No. 2553 [Edit]
That is really basic stuff
>> No. 2557 [Edit]
>>2553
And yet maybe only one in twenty people who argue on the internet understand it.
>> No. 2561 [Edit]
>>2557
People on the internet don't understand a lot of things.
>> No. 2566 [Edit]
>>2561
People can be quite good at understanding things when they want to understand it.

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93 No. 93 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Maybe we could have a thread to share interesting lectures, documentaries or other videos about all sorts of subjects we like?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8269328330690408516&hl=en#

I start with this one I just finished on Fermat's Last Theorem. You don't need to understand mathematics to understand this anyways.
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>> No. 2275 [Edit]
>>2141
>>2141
I could be wrong but I think this movie just implied that action movie "victims" are not allowed to leave.

The fuck?
>> No. 2491 [Edit]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Best TED Talk I think I've seen. It's about reversing climate change by turning the deserts and soon-to-be-deserts of the world back into grasslands. This turns out to be an extremely simple procedure.
>> No. 2514 [Edit]
Bruce Schneier & Jonathan Zittrain on IT, Security, and Power

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IdQzYuhCHA

https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/2013/04/schneier

interesting man
>> No. 2541 [Edit]
A short documentary about the Chaos Computer Club (deutsch sprache)

Akte CCC - Der Chaos Computer Club (HD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1rbApYB9x8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club

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2525 No. 2525 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Human evolution, what do the rest of you think of it. Isn't it strange that it is commonly believed we are the same people whom inhabited ancient societies 5000 or more years ago? A more radical notion, that human races are all just as capable? A discussion like that isn't what I wanted to bring up anyways. What I really wanted to do was to talk about this article;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

What has brought this topic to my attention is the large number of people here who really believe they talk to a waifu, have imaginary friends, or believe in creating a tulpa. A tulpa itself must be a very old concept if I'm not mistaken, which could have originated from lesser forms of human thousands of years ago.
>> No. 2530 [Edit]
>>2525
I can't comment on the overall accuracy of the theory as I haven't read the arguments in the book, but what I gleaned from the article doesn't convince me. Its relation to my hobby-horse, schizophrenia, while more convincing than the autism-schizophrenia dichotomy posed by others, isn't perfect, and the analogy between the primitive bicameral mind and the schizophrenic fails in a number of places, I think.

For one, the schizophrenic does seem to exercise executive control over his autobiographical narrative (at least as much as any of us do), but the problem is that he is including his hallucinations into his mental schema for understanding the world. Although one of us might create a tulpa, we don't actually include the tulpa into our worldview except, perhaps, as a sort of mystical addendum (much like someone religious would do with his religious experiences); that, or we explain it as a self-caused mental illness/delusion.

The problem in the schizophrenic, therefore, isn't the hallucinations or delusions themselves (many people have visual and auditory hallucinations without schizophrenia), but a problem in structuring his world narrative. I've posted on /so/ about how the more we believe in things, the more we tend to see of them, and something similar seems to happen in schizophrenics. His hallucinations continually verify his worldview, and he begins to fit the events in his life all into this construction, resulting in a positive feedback loop. Over time, there seems to be a certain absolute realignment in perception, skewed by his new personal narrative--and after that realignment it's almost impossible to return to a more normal view without something to massively disrupt the thought processes in the brain. Schizophrenia seems to be some combination of being predisposed toward having these hallucinations and one's openness to the explanations for these hallucinations offered by the environment and experience (resulting in the kaleidoscopic bricolage of elements you generally see in schizophrenic worldviews).

Then again, this too is mostly speculation. No one really knows.
>> No. 2537 [Edit]
Transhumanism.

Discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

(I'm busy studying so I don't have the time to make a proper post about it).

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1. Tarantino and the capitalist paradigm of discourse

If one examines neotextual capitalism, one is faced with a choice: either reject Baudrillardist simulacra or conclude that society has significance. It could be said that any number of discourses concerning the economy of capitalist class may be revealed.

“Sexual identity is part of the futility of truth,” says Marx. In Reservoir Dogs, Tarantino examines the capitalist paradigm of discourse; in Jackie Brown, however, he reiterates Baudrillardist simulacra. Therefore, Sontag suggests the use of postdeconstructivist materialism to challenge the status quo.

Abian suggests that we have to choose between Baudrillardist simulacra and capitalist objectivism. It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a Derridaist reading that includes language as a reality.
The primary theme of Cameron’s analysis of neotextual capitalism is the role of the observer as artist. Therefore, if subcultural capitalism holds, we have to choose between the capitalist paradigm of discourse and dialectic discourse.

Foucault promotes the use of neotextual capitalism to deconstruct and modify class. Thus, the opening/closing distinction depicted in Pynchon’s Mason & Dixon emerges again in V, although in a more postcapitalist sense.

A number of theories concerning the capitalist paradigm of discourse exist. It could be said that Debord uses the term ‘neotextual capitalism’ to denote the genre, and hence the economy, of patriarchial culture.
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I'm calling for some backup to help me follow your post (cause it's too much for me), so give me some time and we'll see about it. However, it is stimulating; keep it coming.
>> No. 2520 [Edit]
What makes some simulacra Baudrillardist and others not?
>> No. 2521 [Edit]
>>2520
I'm guessing (but not entirely sure) that it's a "Baudrillardist simulacrum" to distinguish it from the dictionary definition of simulacrum (and other possible uses by different theorists). Then again, I rarely see "simulacrum" outside of discussions involving postmodernism and Baudrillard, so I don't see why it's necessary.

Honestly, though, I don't understand much of this. I guess that's probably because it's almost certainly from that postmodern parody essay generator linked before, thus it's actually what it appears to be: incoherent garbage. Anyway, Marx didn't say “Sexual identity is part of the futility of truth”, or, to my knowledge, anything like that (it doesn't even sound like him). And what would that even mean?
>> No. 2522 [Edit]
>>2521
>postmodern parody essay generator
What?

EDIT: Oh, I see. I suck.

Post edited on 17th Apr 2013, 10:34pm

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997 No. 997 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Anyone know a good website for downloading e-books? I have over $1000 worth of books on my Amazon wish list, and that's even after clearing up and finding deals. I already pirate everything else, might as well pirate books too.

ebooksplanet.net legit?
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>> No. 2237 [Edit]
>>2231
Did you use any links from the thread before asking?
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>>2237
Yes, I looked it up on every site >>1030 mentions. In the meantime, I found its summary, I'm posting that besides.
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OP here, I noticed this thread was still up and I haven't seen the gentooman library mentioned other than sort of in,
>>1153


It has a large variety of software and math books, although I find their electronics section to be lacking at the moment, with zero content concerning any mechanical subjects. Then again, I don't believe their aim is to target every subject known to man but rather those with /g/ interests.


http://books.gentoomen.org/

It's a fairly large torrent, but I believe its worth the hard drive space. About the size of the KnK movie set.
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Papers from Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, fro

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2269 No. 2269 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
General math thread, maybe we can get some cool math guys in here.

Game theory sounds really fun to learn, but I'm wondering how people actually teach this stuff in a rigorous way in a classroom. Ironically I'm reading articles on game theory while completely ignoring the calculus and statistics subjects which will earn me marks.
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>> No. 2434 [Edit]
I calculated it's possible to have eternal life.

Let 'p[k]' mean the probability I survive year 'k'. So the probability I live forever is the infinite product 'p[1]*p[2]*p[3]*...'. Is it possible this product does not converge to 0 (=certain death), despite for each 'k' it holds that 'p[k]<1', meaning there's always a small probability of death?

The above product can be expressed as 'exp(sum(ln(p[k]))', so if i.e. 'ln(p[k]) = -(2^-k)', the sum is convergent with a limit of -1, and the above product converges to '1/e', a positive number.

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>> No. 2436 [Edit]
>>2434
>meaning there's always a small probability of death?
Being struck by lightning, freak accidents, etc. sure,
you forgot the part where when k > 55, p[k] halves every 5 years, with an additional chance to half it's current value each year.
>> No. 2437 [Edit]
>>2434
So what you're saying is that even an immortal can die if it is killed, correct?

The Highlander was correct all along.
>> No. 2439 [Edit]
>>2436
I know, it's just a theoretical possibility. I expected the chances for death "add up", but it turns out, that's not neccessary the case.
>>2437
No, the my argument is that you can be mortal and still live forever.

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I'm going to try to learn to write kanji and kana, just because I never really did this.

Even when I was learning Japanese, I never really tackled this aspect of it, so I want some advice. Anyone here try to learn the handwritten forms and stroke order? I'd be grateful to hear from anyone who has. Thanks~
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>> No. 2236 [Edit]
I use obenkyo and practice the stroke order whenever I get a new kanji, but to be honest it doesn't really help me remember it better at all.

If you are just gonna read, I'd skip doing that after you have learned how to write most radicals, only just to be able to use a kanji recognizer in case you see one you don't know.
>> No. 2244 [Edit]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27y%C5%8Dgana

Maybe you like this
>> No. 2375 [Edit]
>>2232
I sit down with a kanji book and write it down in the correct stroke order, write out all the readings with on in katakana and kun in hiragana, and then write out the older/alternate form of the character, if provided.
It requires repetition, but I essentially remember all the characters I learn like this perfectly.
>> No. 2376 [Edit]
You get the hang of it after you memorise a few characters. Also know that certain characters potentially have multiple stroke orders.

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What's the best wat to get to know more about drugs(obviously without joining any 3d courses)? Mainly on how they happen to work, their effects, the negative outcomes and [possibly] how to minimize the latter.

I don't think that the thread is breaking any rules, right? I'm not asking where to get them, or how to make them, and i didn't find any other threads about the subject, so, i guess that it's alright?

>> No. 2263 [Edit]
I'm not into the subject, myself, but there are probably tons of books on pharmacology and the like that you could read. Wikipedia's filled with information, as I'm sure you know. I know erowid.org is supposed to have some good amount of credible information on drugs. And there's always 420chan, I bet they have some stickies there with links to info.

If you find any really great links, be sure to share them.
>> No. 2264 [Edit]
www.erowid.org

By far the best resource you can find. Includes scientific articles and information as well as first hand experiences with just about every substance you can find. Very useful.

I really wouldn't bother with 420chan. The boards are garbage and the Taimapedia has some of the worst information/advice I've ever come across. A better place for idle discussion would be www.bluelight.ru

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698 No. 698 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Hello everyone.
Recently I pulled out a pair of swords that have been floating around and I've decided that over the summer I would like to try to learn sword fighting, Im just starting so I dont really know what Im doing, if anyone has any tutorials or videos on sword fighting an they'd like to share, or if any people who know how to sword fight would like to share experiences, that would be really great, thank you.
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>> No. 755 [Edit]
If you don't want to pay for actual classes, LARPing, like amtgard, dagorhir or sca is the next best thing. and pretty much free. I do dagorhir myself and it's a good mix of realism and safety. It can at least hone your 'battle sense'.
>> No. 2190 [Edit]
What style are you trying to do?
>> No. 2198 [Edit]
>>2190
This thread is over a year old Shinden...haha..
>> No. 2201 [Edit]
>>2198
A better question then would be if the OP learned how to use a sword.

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