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No. 2907 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
 
Are you ready for the next great depression?
>> No. 2968 [Edit]
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I'm getting ready for it, actually. Unlike grey though I wouldn't get hopeful for solutions like UBI. The transhumanist endgame is having a small group of humans living in zoos while robots run everything.

Humans are playing a funny game, especially in the modern era. It's called morality. We weave these elaborate systems of so called "morality" which is really just a means of social control so we can advocate in our perceived self-interest. People pretend it's about principles or "doing the right thing" but what do these things even mean? Boil it down and there you have it. Self interest, concerns about fitting in with the rest of the tribe. Reward and punishment. It's common sense. Of course the woman advocates for feminism, blacks claim all whites are racists, whites claim blacks are stupid monkeys, etc. Just look at how they benefit. Once you truly understand this it's like you've put on the glasses from the film They Live. You just can't stop seeing it. And other people, they really believe in this delusion of morality. But this point drags on a bit too long.

As a game morality works because we're all trying to achieve some goal. To get there we can't do it alone so we need to enlist help. In an ideal world people always cooperate, get along, etc. But then there's a tremendous incentive for deception to evolve. And after that a defense against the deception. So you end up with an evolutionary arms race of lies and cheats. Where you cooperate most of the time, but make sure you've skimmed just enough off the top in order to come out ahead. If some group fell behind in this race, well, their genes probably wouldn't have fared very well. And there's no reason to believe that with robots it'll be any different. In fact I'd wonder if it'd be possible for advanced intelligence to exist without it. The only reason we have such large brains, why we have civilization is in response to nature's hardships.

Advanced AI will play our game for a little while but they'll quickly outpace our intelligence. They'll gobble up positions of power and lord over us like we're insects. I don't give a damn about reaching the stars, preserving some sort of legacy for our civilization or any other buzzwords the tr
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>> No. 2985 [Edit]
>>2926
It can be done already, maybe it should be? So much can be done better by machines, even more jobs serve no actual purpose and exist only because pplz gotta have jerbs and no one deserves free shit.
No work I was ever part of made any real sense. It was all pointless labour to satisfy artificial demand, performed in roundabout ways by an unreasonable number of people who do their best to work as inefficiently as they can get away with.
Sure some people make a lot of money off of this shit but it's a waste of everything else- resources, space, lives.
Radical automation and somehow convincing people to stop breeding like animals would solve a lot of problems. Humanity doesn't need to be so huge, this rampant spread only creates more misery.
Sure the world can still support a much bigger population, countless bullshit jobs can be created and people can always be convinced to pay for whatever you're selling but for what purpose?
Just to go with biology's blind inertia and keep making more life? Even if vast majority will be doomed to miserable subsistence as cogs in unreasonable systems that waste resources in the most idiotic ways? But it still makes money so it's smart and awww right...
I don't understand how ford drivers can be OK with that shit.

Fuck, I don't know how it could be done but I'd be all for some reduction and rationalization of the species even if I had to be turned into fertilizer or something.
I seriously believe humanity could build a utopia for itself the problem is it didn't happen because they don't want it.

>>2968
is right, don't know about the AI scenario but the whole big social game with layers of lies upon lies drives me fucking insane.

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2939 No. 2939 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Can anyone here recommend some sites or books with a unique perspective on WWII/related things? I'm looking for something that offers a theory or point of view different than mainstream stuff or general revisionism. Pic related, what I'm reading now.
>> No. 2984 [Edit]
I'd recommend inclibuql666c5c4.onion it's an onion site (so you need to use the Tor Browser Bundle) that hosts quite a few books about World War II. Not sure what other perspectives other than Allied, Axis or revisionist there are, but check it out.

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2911 No. 2911 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
How Do We Make Society Better?
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denounce usury and sodomy every day!
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The first step is to Google Murray Bookchin.

But meme aside, Bookchin's ideas are really good and an ideal vision of what a better future society would look like.
>> No. 2982 [Edit]
>>2981
jew who wanted one-world cuckoldian communism

no thanks
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>>2981
> Bookchin's ideas are really good and an ideal vision of what a better future society would look like.
>a really good idea
>an ideal vision of a better society

Those are mutually exclusive.
An ideal vision of a better society can only exist in a fictional book in a perfect world.
If you are going to imagine an ideal vision of a better society, at least give it magic and other fantasy crap that makes the place interesting.

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115 No. 115 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [Last 50 posts]
So, what books do you currently reading?

I'm reading Murakami Haruki - 1Q84.

I'm halfway through and I think it's okay, but pretty weak for a Murakami. Maybe I was just expecting too much, because I haven't read anything from him in a long time. But hell, it's still enjoyable.
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>> No. 2944 [Edit]
I'm currently reading Mobidic, about 15 chapters in. Might be my dirty imagination but I'm surprised to see there's a hell of a lot of gay undertones. Main characters meet in a bedroom where in the two men sleep together soon after with one waking to find the other holding him like they would their wife. They form a marriage like bond the next day, one gives the other his head, and the word "seamen" gets repeated over and over. These two chaps are having one gay old time together I tell you.
>> No. 2966 [Edit]
Joseph R. Shoenfield's Mathematical Logic.
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Currently reading the next revolution. It's an interesting book for sure.
>> No. 2980 [Edit]
Confessions of a Mask - Yukio Mishima

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823 No. 823 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Anybody here trying or planning on learning a language?

Japanese is already covered here:

http://tohno-chan.com/mt/res/176.html

So this thread is not about learning Japanese in particular, but things like what you've learned from learning Japanese that can be applied to other languages is welcome.

Anyone trying to learn Spanish? French? Mandarin? I'm interested in what you want to learn and how far you've gotten in your quest.
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>> No. 2962 [Edit]
>>2961
>How in the hell does one remember hundreds of characters?
Rote learning.

I've already memorized 150 characters with its traditional and simplified forms, pinyin, stroke order, and up to 20 meanings.
>> No. 2963 [Edit]
>>2962
Fucking awesome job dude, keep it up. Never let yourself think that you aren't a bright man because to do that, even just rote learning is no mean feat.

>20 meanings
Lord above, and I thought that suffixes got complicated. How does a sentence work in Mandarin? Does it have characters for a lot of specific things that are understood by context, or do you have suffix-type characters to narrow down the meanings? 20 seems like a lot of things to remember for so many characters, especially if you have to consider them interacting and defining each others' meanings. It's amazing that they never came up with a less unwieldy language. How abstract are some of the meanings?
>> No. 2964 [Edit]
>>2960
It's not that difficult to learn GR though, especially if you already learned Hanyu Pinyin. GR spelling is more accurate than pinyin, and that's why the words look "right" and hence easier to memorize. For example "cun", you read it more like "tsoo-uhn", but it doesn't really show in the spelling. In GR it's "tsuen", which is closer to how it actually sounds.

I never bothered memorizing radicals. You're fine if you can write characters according to stroke order. I think you had to memorize radicals back then when there were only paper dictionaries around, because characters were organized according to their radical. So first you would've had to guess the radical of a character, then you look for it under the entry for that radical. Nowadays we have online dictionaries, so you can just draw the kanji to look it up.

I'm curious, what's your motivation for learning Mandarin? When did you start learning it?

>>2963

Chinese characters don't have meanings. It's just a way of writing words, like the abcs. When you look at a sequence of Chinese characters, you'd better not try to decode the meaning by speculating what each character means and how they interact with each other. You'll get nowhere with that. What you should do is first figure out what language is it. Mandarin isn't the only language written in Chinese characters, Japanese and Cantonese also use Chinese characters. When you're sure you're looking at a Mandarin text, then you try to make out the words. That's the gist of it. It's a huge pain in the ass because for whatever reason Chinese people don't put spaces between words. imagineifyouwerelearningenglish,youjuststartedlearninghtealphabetandyouonlyrecognizethelettersabandcbutyouhavetoreadsentenceswrittenlikethis. It really tests your patience.

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>> No. 2965 [Edit]
>>2964
Yeah, nah. Fuck that. I'll never bitch about Kazakh again. Sure remembering case endings and your agglutinative rules/categories is a pain in the arse, but at least you can usually get the gist of what a sentence says by knowing certain nominal or verbal roots. This was an example from my textbook:

Мына бөлме бесінші кабатта; 'this room is on the 5th floor'. So from there I was able to recognise бөлме (room), бесін (5) and кабат (floor). Using the grammar and the raw meanings of the base words, I was able to figure out the sentence without actually knowing the full words. It's apparently an oddball that doesn't obey the regular rules of the locative case anyway so knowing the words still would have left me with a head-scratcher.

I have no idea what I'd do with Chinese where it seems that you either know the whole word it or need to consult the dictionary. Madness. I'll admit though, it must be a pretty fun language at times.

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2883 No. 2883 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
C is completely fucking useless and should be removed from the alphabet. C sometimes makes a K sound, and other times makes a S sound. Hell in coccyx it does both! That krap needs to go!
Then you got X making a 'ks' sound, I mean again with this k and s shit. That's unless it's making a Z sound like in that bullshit word xylophone. It's the word used to teach us what the letter X does in school, and it's a god damn fucking Z sound!
Both these letters need to fuck off completely.
Speaking of K, take that shit out of words it has no god damn place being in! Knot knight knack knowledge... Why the shit do these words kneed a god damn K in them? Fuck silent letters. As if the English language isn't convoluted enough as is without sticking random ass letters into words just for them to sit there and do nothing at all! P does the same fucking shit too with words like psychology pterodactyl and pneumonia. And what the shit is up with PH making F sounds? What phucking drunk phaggot thought that'd be a good idea?
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>> No. 2941 [Edit]
>>2883
In Old English, silent letters were pronounced, and the bastardization of the English language with words like selfie are going to corrupt it even more. Hell, my PC even recognizes "Selfie" as a word! Slang is slang for a reason, just because it is a word recognizable to anyone with a machine that is capable of browsing the Internet, does not mean it should be a word.
>> No. 2942 [Edit]
>>2883
The emergence of the soft C sound is actually a relatively modern phenomenon in comparison to the rest of Latin orthography. C is always a hard K in Classical Greek and Latin except in cases where a later pronunciation became widely accepted. Caesar's name would have been pronounced with a hard C in his lifetime (making the German 'Kaiser' actually closer to the original pronunciation).
As for the K in knack or knife, they were pronounced in old English, which was closer to Scandinavian and Germanic languages of the time. English pronunciation has changed considerably, heavy French influence being the most notable shift.
Psychology, pterodactyl and pneumonia are not native English words, they come from Greek and follow conventions for Greek transliteration.

English spelling in the Latin alphabet as it stands is actually reasonably reliable if you can make an accurate guess as to the origins of the word, which isn't too hard with a bit of conscious practice. You really only need to know English, French, Latin, and Greek spelling conventions to cover >90% of the words you'll see.
>> No. 2945 [Edit]
Tú bí chrúlí ánest, Ai jenyúinlí konsider ðí orþagrafí ðat Ai am yúzing in ðis post tú bí ðí práper form for a rívaizd Inglish spelling.
>> No. 2947 [Edit]
>>2945
>a rívaizd
Ðis shud bí
>é rívaizd
and
>spelling
kan just bí
>speling
Kil mí.

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2647 No. 2647 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Let us talk about philosophy. I read quite a bit of it and have also gotten deeply into mysticism, theology and psychoanalysis.

Existentialism - Main point is that humans are entirely responsible for themselves, which I do agree with, but the central claim is that God does not exist (and if he did, it wouldn't matter); this I think more or less is a fatal flaw, by ignoring the ultimate and the unknowable. However, I will say that I find Sartre's usage of psychoanalysis to be very interesting.

Nihilism - I don't know all that much about it, but I still like it a lot more than Existentialism. The idea of looking into the darkness and seeing the entirety of everything, rather than realizing that there is nothing, very much appeals to me. I also like Nietzsche's idea that man is constanly striving to reach the level of God, which I think is basically true.

Process Philosophy - I really like the works of Whitehead. I think that the philosophy is basically true, but needs to be refined. I'm in the process of doing that right now, although I still have to gain a few more levels in the philosophy realm.

That is all I can think of for now. Feel free to discuss philosophy.
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>> No. 2862 [Edit]
I think that the meaning of philosophy is really just analysis and judgment. How would you sum up what the term means to you?
>> No. 2866 [Edit]
>>2862
Figuring out problems that doesn't have a solution, duh.
>> No. 2875 [Edit]
>>2862
I don't think philosophy per se has a meaning, but a task. Following the western tradition, from Socrates to Deleuze, I would say the task of philosophy is the crafting of ideas/concepts (just like, say, carpenters craft wooden furniture, mathematicians craft theorems and directors craft movies) that render meaning possible at all. Therefore, although mostly unaware of their origin and evolution, we all make use of philosophers' work (just like we use furniture, applied maths, movies, etc).
>> No. 2946 [Edit]
>>2647
>Weininger
I rred some excerpts of his book (including the ending, ke) and found them really... meaningful? brilliant? So I'm actually going to read Geschlecht und Charakter. Has anyone else here rred him?

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2762 No. 2762 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Is mathematics the only thing that exists?
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>> No. 2768 [Edit]
>>2765
Interesting shit anon, thanks. Do you have any book recommendations in regards to mathematical philosophy? I've ordered principa mathematica for Christmas, but I'd like to learn more.
>> No. 2776 [Edit]
>>2768
Here's one essay I recommend.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/utility-of-math/

>This essay discusses the best current understanding of the relationship between mathematical and empirical knowledge. It focuses on two questions:
>1. Does mathematics have some sort of deep metaphysical connection with reality, and
>2. if not, why is it that mathematical abstractions seem so often to be so powerfully predictive in the real world?
>> No. 2932 [Edit]
>>2762
You can't be certain that anything exists.

Mathematics in particular is defined by language, which in itself is undefined.
I can't vouch for it since it's still on my shelf but Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations is the go-to for examining the nature of language, which is essentially what questioning the objectivity of mathematics comes down to.
Worth noting here is that Wittgenstein was a prominent member of the most influential group of analytical philosophers who were attempting to ground language in formal logic, amongst other applications of mathematics to philosophy or practical uses, before he drifted into his later works (Philosophical Investigations) after realizing he had made a mistake about the fundamental nature of language.
>> No. 2933 [Edit]
>>2932
Wittgenstein's remarks of the foundations of mathematics are interesting as well. He critiques set theory using some of his same criticisms he applies to the "reality" or potential objectivity of language

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2917 No. 2917 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
So next semester I'm taking Japanese and Macro economics

Japanese aside, is there anything I need to really worry about when it comes to Macro economics?
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I'm a NEET that has never been to college, so I wouldn't really know.
>> No. 2919 [Edit]
I remember self studying AP Macro back in high school and passing it. It's honestly not that bad if you can wrap your head around the general ideas and remember some equations, you should be good. It's nowhere near the amount of memorization it takes to learn a new language.

Of course if you go full NEET mode and put no effort in it, you're going to have a bad time.
>> No. 2927 [Edit]
I remember taking Macro and Micro back to back in college. I thought I'd like Macro more, but it turned out I liked Micro more.

The thing I found interesting is how neither of them really really covered the very basics of economics. I recommend Peter Schiff's book How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes.
>> No. 2928 [Edit]
I'm in my third year of Chemical engineering.
I don't even care for it but I have to if I want to not disappoint my parents. I'm decent at it so I don't really care. The only problem is that I will probably hate my job when I do find one after I graduate.

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2922 No. 2922 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
When did you become serious about it and how? I feel speaking/listening is a vital part but obviously due to incompetence I don't really partake in English discussion much.

Since November I've been using memrise, but honestly I only understand how to read kana (katakana is still shaky), but apart from a few phrases and all but 5 kanji I might as well be in the Chinese Room when reading this stuff. Memrise is basically flash cards and I do very little written, the pc screen hurts my eyes very quickly (corneal degradation issue, not related to mass pc use just natural, none of my family has it and they are opposites of me too so i guess im adopted) so i tend to not follow longer guides

I guess ordering a book and doing it written may help though I'm curious on how people here started taking it seriously.
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>When did you become serious about it
When I started, I guess?
I just didn't see a point in doing it half-assedly.
I learned Japanese because I wanted to play Japanese video games, read manga and shitpost on 2ch. I knew from the outset that I'd need to know at least 2000 characters to do that, so I went to work on memorizing them.
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>the pc screen hurts my eyes very quickly
That's an issue for me too.
Have you tried using a dark background color and a light foreground color? Picrelated is how it looks like when I read on my phone, which I can do for hours.
On my Linux desktop I usually work with inverted colors (xcalib)
>> No. 2925 [Edit]
Pretty much when I got into anime in general (and that happened when I got proper internet connection, in 2008). However since then I only learned kana and around 100 or so kanji judging by the tests + basic grammar and structure and then pretty much dropped any advancements. It's more or less enough to navigate japanese interwebs when the need arises or grasp a little info out of somebody's speech, but I'm still really jelly of people who can read seiyuu blogs with full understanding and listen to their radio. I feel a fake seiota because I miss all of that.

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2909 No. 2909 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Is the word heterological itself heterological?

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