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No. 2662 Stickied hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
A new addition to the Tohno-chan board lineup. Call it a gift for the holiday season:日本/

This board is meant to be an immersion board for non-native Japanese speakers and people learning Japanese, as it's a popular language to learn on the site, and given our social abilities, reading comprehension is a bit more important to us.

We'll run this on a trial basis, and if it's any good, we'll add it to the main boards.
>> No. 2728 [Edit]
You can install japanese language support as well as input the japanese IME keyboard setting to your computer in order to write japanese without having a proper jap keyboard.

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2647 No. 2647 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Let us talk about philosophy. I read quite a bit of it and have also gotten deeply into mysticism, theology and psychoanalysis.

Existentialism - Main point is that humans are entirely responsible for themselves, which I do agree with, but the central claim is that God does not exist (and if he did, it wouldn't matter); this I think more or less is a fatal flaw, by ignoring the ultimate and the unknowable. However, I will say that I find Sartre's usage of psychoanalysis to be very interesting.

Nihilism - I don't know all that much about it, but I still like it a lot more than Existentialism. The idea of looking into the darkness and seeing the entirety of everything, rather than realizing that there is nothing, very much appeals to me. I also like Nietzsche's idea that man is constanly striving to reach the level of God, which I think is basically true.

Process Philosophy - I really like the works of Whitehead. I think that the philosophy is basically true, but needs to be refined. I'm in the process of doing that right now, although I still have to gain a few more levels in the philosophy realm.

That is all I can think of for now. Feel free to discuss philosophy.
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>> No. 2819 [Edit]
>do things that have nothing to do with the objective meaningless of life
Well, not really. Yes, according to nihilist teachings there is no reason to do anything, but it is also true that there is no reason to refrain from doing anything either. It's not like I can prevent myself from doing what I do, because that's impossible. One cannot have any kind of action or inaction that would make it so that they did not believe in nihilism.
>> No. 2820 [Edit]
People don't just do something or refrain from doing something. They do specific things as opposed to other things and they refrain from doing specific things as opposed to other things, which makes it pretty obvious there's some kind of purpose in the back of their heads, whether they want it to be there or not. And that purpose is subjective meaning. It's pretty easy to deny objective meaning, but I want to meet the nihilistic saint who has also managed to get rid of that subjective meaning. Or watch them from a safe distance rather.

What I'm getting at is: People who have realized there's no objective meaning in life can pat themselves on the back. They've gotten farther than a lot of other people. But they shouldn't believe they've actually solved anything. They've just noticed something pretty obvious. And as long as there's subjective meaning, they might want to call themselves something like anti-objectivists rather than nihilists, and then find out which subjective meanings make the most sense.

>One cannot have any kind of action or inaction that would make it so that they did not believe in nihilism.
I don't think I understand this sentence. Are you saying everyone believes in "nihilism", i.e. that life has no objective meaning? Because I'm sure I've already met a few people who don't. Not all of those people might make much sense, but it's not like they don't believe what they say.
>> No. 2825 [Edit]
I found a nice section about nihilism in Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil:

"Der Eifer und die Feinheit, ich möchte sogar sagen: Schlauheit, mit denen man heute überall in Europa dem Probleme "von der wirklichen und der scheinbaren Welt" auf den Leib rückt, giebt zu denken und zu horchen; und wer hier im Hintergrunde nur einen "Willen zur Wahrheit" und nichts weiter hört, erfreut sich gewiss nicht der schärfsten Ohren. In einzelnen und seltenen Fällen mag wirklich ein solcher Wille zur Wahrheit, irgend ein ausschweifender und abenteuernder Muth, ein Metaphysiker-Ehrgeiz des verlornen Postens dabei betheiligt sein, der zuletzt eine Handvoll "Gewissheit" immer noch einem ganzen Wagen voll schöner Möglichkeiten vorzieht; es mag sogar puritanische Fanatiker des Gewissens geben, welche lieber noch sich auf ein sicheres Nichts als auf ein ungewisses Etwas sterben legen. Aber dies ist Nihilismus und Anzeichen einer verzweifelnden sterbensmüden Seele: wie tapfer auch die Gebärden einer solchen Tugend sich ausnehmen mögen."

The zeal and precision, I'd even say prudence with which people everywhere in Europe approach the problem of the actual and the apparent world nowadays makes you think and listen closely; and whoever only hears a will to the truth in the background certainly doesn't have the best ears. In particular and rare cases such a will to the truth, some extravagant and adventurous courage, a metaphysicist's ambition of a lost position might really be part of it, which in the end prefers a handful of certainty over a wagon full of beautiful possibilities; there might even be puritanical fanatics of the certain who'd rather die with a certain nothing than with an uncertain something. But that's nihilism and sign of a desperate soul tired to death, no matter how brave the gestures of such a virtue might seem.

He then goes on to say that a lot of people who are stronger than those nihilists at least try to reconquer something, even if it's just something from the past like an immortal soul, which they should know they can't really get back. But he thinks they actually don't really want to go back to those old optimistic ideas but rather just get away from our modern pessimistic ideas. And if they had more "power, flight, co
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>> No. 2826 [Edit]
And not much later this appreciative comment about (some) subjective opinions:

" 42. A new order of philosophers is appearing; I shall venture to baptize them by a name not without danger. As far as I understand them, as far as they allow themselves to be understood — for it is their nature to WISH to remain something of a puzzle — these philosophers of the future might rightly, perhaps also wrongly, claim to be designated as "tempters." This name itself is after all only an attempt, or, if it be preferred, a temptation.

43. Will they be new friends of "truth," these coming philosophers? Very probably, for all philosophers hitherto have loved their truths. But assuredly they will not be dogmatists. It must be contrary to their pride, and also contrary to their taste, that their truth should still be truth for every one — that which has hitherto been the secret wish and ultimate purpose of all dogmatic efforts. "My opinion is MY opinion: another person has not easily a right to it" — such a philosopher of the future will say, perhaps. One must renounce the bad taste of wishing to agree with many people. "Good" is no longer good when one's neighbour takes it into his mouth. And how could there be a "common good"! The expression contradicts itself; that which can be common is always of small value. In the end things must be as they are and have always been — the great things remain for the great, the abysses for the profound, the delicacies and thrills for the refined, and, to sum up shortly, everything rare for the rare."

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414 No. 414 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit] [Last 50 posts]
Anybody feel like sharing some of your favourite quotes (preferably /mt/-related but doesn't have to be)?

Here's one I rather like: "It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly the most important time in your life."

-Lewis Wolpert (developmental biologist)-
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>> No. 2775 [Edit]
An artist never works under ideal conditions. If they existed, his work wouldn't exist, for the artist doesn't live in a vacuum. Some sort of pressure must exist. The artist exists because the world is not perfect. Art would be useless if the world were perfect, as man wouldn't look for harmony but would simply live in it. Art is born out of an ill-designed world. [...] My purpose is to make films that will help people to live, even if they sometimes cause unhappiness.
---- Andrei Tarkovsky
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I wanted to die, really die.
But now I don't think we must die from despair, but feed off one's despair.
Not die of it, but live off it.
I believe we must live at all cost.

--- "L'Ennui" (1998)
>> No. 2822 [Edit]
Well, let's face it. Good exists in order to be fucked up by evil. The very existence of good enables evil to flourish. Therefore, God is bad. And it doesn't matter how many past or future existences you have, because they're all gonna be riddled with grief and anguish and sickness and death. You see, Brian, God doesn't love you. God despises you. So there's no hope, and mankind is just a component of the device by which the devil creates itself. You see, what I'm saying, basically, is you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. And humanity is just a cracked egg. And the omelet... stinks.

---Johnny ("Naked", Mike Leigh)

>> No. 2824 [Edit]  
My mind seems to go out on a path the width of a thread and of endless length, a thread that is the same color as the night. Out, out along the narrow highway sails my mind, driven by curiosity, luminous with acceptance, far and out, like a feathered hook whipped deep into the light above the stream by a magnificent cast. Somewhere, out of my reach, my control, the hook unbends into a spear, the spear shears itself into a needle, and the needle sews the world together. It sews skin onto the skeleton and lipstick on a lip, it sews scarves to mountain, it goes through everything like a relentless bloodstream, and the tunnel is filled with a comforting message, a beautiful knowledge of unity. All the disparates of the world, the different wings of the paradox, coin-faces of problem, petal-pulling questions, scissors-shaped conscience, all the polarities, things and their images and things which cast no shadow, and just the everyday explosions on a street, this face and that, a house and a toothache, explosions which merely have different letters in their names, my needle pierces it all, and I myself, my greedy fantasies, everything which has existed and does exist, we are part of a necklace of incomparable beauty and unmeaning.

--- Leonard Cohen ("Beautiful Losers")

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99 No. 99 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Today, December 25, we celebrate the birth of a great man of true genius. Regardless of the centuries, his example lives on and inspire us to become better, both as individuals and society. Let his name never be forgotten; picture very related: it's him.
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>> No. 2665 [Edit]
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Ye who now on heavenly nectar fare,
Come celebrate with me in song the name
Of Newton, to the Muses dear; for he
Unlocked the hidden treasuries of Truth:
So richly through his mind had Phoebus cast
The radiance of his own divinity.
Nearer the gods no mortal may approach.

---Edmond Halley
>> No. 2796 [Edit]
I hadn't forgot.
How could I.
>> No. 2809 [Edit]
That guy wasn't born in December, and he was completely delusional.
>> No. 2817 [Edit]
Cristianism as an institution is an entirely different affair (for that, Werner Jaegger's "Early Christianity and Greek Paideia" was quite enlightening). However, for many years I used to think very poorly of the character of Jesus too (who knows -and who cares- if he ever existed, I mean the character created in the gospels) until I saw this: >>/ot/23499 ...

I mean, I still didn't became a christian, by any means (I believe in conquer rather than charity), but he certainly earned a huge respect in my eyes. Aside from the myths of resurrection, Final Judgement and such, with his incredibly insightful yet accessible ethical discourse (notably the Sermon on the Mount) he embodies an impossible but beautiful dream of true brotherhood and unconditional love.

You should give the movie a try. It's long and hard to endure but I think it's worth it.

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1307 No. 1307 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I do not believe 2012 will be the end of the world. Planetary alignments do not equate to destruction.

The whole "Mayan calendar ends on that day" thing is really dumb to me. My calendar ends on December 31 of this year. I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean I'm going to perish. The Mayans just can't get a new calendar since their society was destroyed by disease.

We have much more than one year to discuss this. The date is just a coincidence... baka.
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>> No. 1339 [Edit]
Damn, that's the Discovery channel. I didn't even notice, but I guess they're getting into that game too.
>> No. 2804 [Edit]
You were right op !
>> No. 2806 [Edit]
I wish he wasn't.
Damned, this sucks.
>> No. 2807 [Edit]
I know I'm responding to a several year old post but it's rather disappointing that the larger documentary channels, (e.g. History) have gone downhill. The nature and true crime channels are still good though.

I watch television rarely but all the 'alien documentary' jokes seem pretty accurate. Every night there's at least a couple of hours of some UFO mystery and one Nazi Alien Conspiracy show. The Unexplained NASA mystery show didn't seem too bad but nearly all of the people they talk to go 'I think it's an alien. Hear me out'.

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2762 No. 2762 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Is mathematics the only thing that exists?
>> No. 2763 [Edit]
Depends how you define mathematics.
>> No. 2765 [Edit]

And they have no physical reality, if that's what you meant.

Give this a check:
>> No. 2768 [Edit]
Interesting shit anon, thanks. Do you have any book recommendations in regards to mathematical philosophy? I've ordered principa mathematica for Christmas, but I'd like to learn more.
>> No. 2776 [Edit]
Here's one essay I recommend.

>This essay discusses the best current understanding of the relationship between mathematical and empirical knowledge. It focuses on two questions:
>1. Does mathematics have some sort of deep metaphysical connection with reality, and
>2. if not, why is it that mathematical abstractions seem so often to be so powerfully predictive in the real world?

No. 2725 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
So I wrote a thing and put it on

Tell me what you think about it.
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>> No. 2744 [Edit]
Take it easy!
>> No. 2745 [Edit]

Good idea. I let the insult get to my head a little more than I should have.

I'm still going to write. I'm going to write another thing soon, but it will be a short work of fiction focusing on esoteric spirituality. I'll share it here, if you guys want.
>> No. 2746 [Edit]
Don't feed the troll.
>> No. 2772 [Edit]
I wrote another thing:

Tell me what you think.

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2757 No. 2757 hide watch quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
Simple question, would prefer simple or at least organized explanations:
What is an intellectual? How would an intellectual compare with the masses?

I find this interesting because I feel a good portion of tc is pretty intelligent at least compared to average, and yet they often seem to lack social and communication skills between each other. Then there's pure subjective ranting we see in /so/ compared to stuff based off studies here --
Does the act of referencing studies make someone more intellectual than others? When do these references become pretentious, disorderly, and excessive rather than informing?
>> No. 2758 [Edit]
The best I can think of giving you is Deleuze's reflections on "culture" and what does it mean to be a cultivated person:

In short, he says that despite the general opinion he doesn't consider himself to be a cultivated person, because all he learns he does it for a specific purpose (normally a book he was currently writing) and when it's done he just lets that knowledge go. Cultivated persons, for Deleuze, are those who have "reserve knowledge".

To add to it and if I remember correctly, Heidegger made the difference between authentic and inauthentic knowledge in a similar way: authentic knowledge is the one you have about a subject which "equipment" (das Zeug; a set of tools that serve to perform a specific task) you actually use, while inauthentic knowledge is the one you somehow get but make no direct use of; say, I have some knowledge of music and I do make music, thus that knowledge is authentic, whereas the knowledge I have about crack cocaine cooking is an inauthentic one as I don't do crack.

An intellectual, thus, could be a person who seemingly reeks of reserve or inauthentic knowledge. I personally don't think there's any particular relation between being an itellectual or not and socially competent or not.

For where a sort of pretentiousness threshold could lay, I'd personally think that is when people claim to know more than what they can actually backup, which is pretty much the dictionary definition of the term.

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1545 No. 1545 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
I think it would be nice to have a thread where we document things that we've learned as we learn them.
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>> No. 1744 [Edit]
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I finally learned what's a "business process".
Also, could you please recommend a good book on management?
>> No. 1811 [Edit]
you know how you can add two binary numbers with XOR gate ( A x NOT B + NOT A x B ) . does set theory can be aplicable to explain this ?

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>> No. 2713 [Edit]
Today I learned how to iron my clothes properly.
It's actually very satisfying watching the creases disappear.
>> No. 2756 [Edit]
I finally understand how vacuum cooling works.

I've clarified my understanding of the difference between heat and temperature as well as evaporation and boiling.

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I was wondering if anyone else agreed with my stylistic taste here:

//Bad writing:
From the right sunlight poured through wide arched windows set in the outer walls, the glass meshed with imprisoning square black lines. The sky outside was bright blue, laced with frills of white cloud; sunlight bringing out the bright green of the grassland, the red brick of the coastal buildings and setting the sea a-sparkle as though strewn with star dust.

//Good writing:
It was the sort of morning who's beauty you actually take a few seconds to notice.
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>> No. 2714 [Edit]
Is it effective, though?

Personally I don't think 'effective' means 'as detailed as possible', instead it means 'describing as powerfully as possible with as few words as possible'.
As such I think the second example could be considered 'effective' because although it's not as detailed, it makes a much stronger emotional connection with the reader.
>> No. 2718 [Edit]
I'm not a native english speaker but shouldn't it be whose instead of who's?
>> No. 2719 [Edit]
That's right. "Who's" means "who is". You can check at if you're ever in doubt. The OP no doubt knows this, it's just a tiny mistake everyone makes when writing fast on the keyboard. For instance, I wrote "their" instead of "they're" down below. Oops.

As for the topic: I don't like either. Their both way to artsy to be taken seriously, and neither convey much of anything in my opinion. Sure, I'm all about short and descriptive descriptions of visuals. Keyword: descriptive.

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>> No. 2749 [Edit]
>glass meshed with imprisoning square black lines
There are a few excerpts I'm fond of, but it's ultimately nothing groundbreaking. The latter example is just forgettable, even platitudinous.

"Conventions" in writing are only useful when you operate with the explicit goal of making your work accessible to the broadest possible audience. The fewer words and simple language precepts are utterly arbitrary when taken as artistic standards, seeing utility only relative to the aforementioned purpose. It's analogous to believing visual arts should resign themselves to realist themes because anything abstract can be too ambiguous or challenging.

There's absolutely nothing objectively "better" about a sample of text because it employs simpler language or fewer words. Anything can be appropriated or interpreted to be something of intellectual or artistic value.

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746 No. 746 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Edit]
If you're a student or ex-student, tell us what thing you're studying or used to study!

I'm a second year mining engineering student, although last year I was doing materials science. I transfered.
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>> No. 2720 [Edit]
>satisfactory results
I just botched 2 exams in a row, barely passing. What the fuck have I been doing up to this point? Not fucking studying alright! Get out of your little lazy-piece-of-shit bubble and start pulling your weight, alright?
>> No. 2721 [Edit]
Feel you man. Just as I thought I was getting the hang of this stuff and making progress I failed hard in the easiest of the non-introductory courses out of pure arrogance and laziness.
Hopefully it will not delay my graduation much more than it already is.
>> No. 2733 [Edit]
Computer Science.
Network Engineering.
Electrical Engineer.

Didn't finish more than 1-2 years on any.
I'm currently living at my mother's place near a music school where I get free lessons for piano. Not that I'll make myself into anything.
>> No. 2748 [Edit]
second year electrical engineering

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